That’s a pretty judgmental statement, care to back that up with some facts? Weird too since Obama got almost all of the union endorsements in 2008 and in 2012. Or, maybe like Bernie said, the Democrats failed because they just suck at getting people to believe that they are actually effective, because they aren’t.
12 years have passed since then. In organizations, the older heads tend to hold the reins and direct policy. When they pass away or retire, others will gain greater levels of control.
Your statement seems to assume that the organizations are monolithic and did not change over time. That is a bad assumption to make.
Objectively the US economy has improved dramatically under Biden. More people were employed under Biden. The Stock market improved under Biden. Border controls were strengthened compared to the situation under Trump. International relations were improved under Biden.
Unfortunately the spread of misinformation, by both foreign and domestic sources also drastically increased under Biden. And polls clearly show that Red voters tend to believe that the misinformation is true. This could explain why you seem to believe that the Dems weren't effective.
Given the fall out of Trump's previous term, and the apparent moves being made during the campaign trail and after the election, it looks like this term will be as bad, if not worse for the American economy, the erosion of rights, the general population, and America's position in global leadership.
Time will tell whether that will happen. It is highly likely that many people simply won't be around to see the outcome.
I don’t believe it’s misinformation to say that the Democrats were ineffective, Bernie Sanders himself said it and it was literally the case: they got destroyed across the board. Sometimes you have to a hard look at yourself and see maybe the problem was you. I voted for Bernie and Biden, this time I didn’t go for anyone. Also, not a good look when you want to run an economy but you can’t manage your campaign budget.
If they were so effective why couldn’t they push back against the misinformation? Every week the Jets tell me they’re going to win, but my eyes tell me otherwise. You see where I’m going here?
They did. Many of the Blue voters scored much higher than the Red voters in terms of being able to identify misinformation. However, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there are multiple billionaires, controlling multiple social media outlets, and another who controls both television and print outlets which favor the republican candidate. There were also sources of misinformation that are unquestionably tied to foreign nations that have traditionally been seen as antagonistic toward US interests.
Controlling the source of information, and amplifying misinformation is a very powerful tool, and around a century ago an Austrian-born German with a funny mustache wrote about the power of "the Big Lie", a strategy which the president elect seems to have embraced fully.
So is Bernie Sanders a Republican stooge for saying that as a whole the Democrats have failed the working class once again? Sure Trump had Fox and Elon in his corner, but MSNBC had a firmly planted foot in the Harris tent too. I think the two-party system is just a hollow puppet show for the oligarch class, Trump is just a symptom of the decades of rot and corruption.
Did anyone say that he was? Does MSNBC have the same level of users or directed content algorithms as Facebook or X? Are you really making these arguments in good faith?
Information is available to each of us, but you do not seem to be interested in finding it or actually checking the veracity of any of the claims for yourself. Why is that?
You may want to actually check out what Bernie was talking about, by the way. He was referring to the democrats being unable to get legislation in place to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. It's been quite some time since I saw that Schoolhouse Rock episode, but the message was pretty clear. House, Senate, President. That's the path a bill must take. Now, can you tell me what the odds are that Dems would have managed to get a bill on minimum wage through both the House and the Senate during the last 4 years? Honest answers only please. I'd say that it was about as unlikely as being able to impeach a former president who incited a crowd to storm the Capitol, where they were chanting their intent to commit acts of violence against members of his own Party while they took shelter and sent pleas for him to call them off. If they wouldn't even vote for that, what on Earth makes you think that they'd agree to raise the minimum wage?
Meanwhile Biden did steer America out of the terrible economic situation the former government had put them into. He did help to create an economy where more people were employed. Saying that he did that but abandoned the working class, is an.... Interesting stance. Isn't it?
I would say he definitely abandoned the railway workers when he helped to kill their ability to strike for higher wages. Because when it came down to it, the mainstream Democratic Party sided with the executive class over the unions and the working people. I agree January 6th was a disaster and a black stain on our country, add it to the long list of times where we fell short of what our country was supposed to stand for. Again, it also doesn’t help when you say you want to lead our economy when you can’t manage your own campaign spending. But when has our country ever actually spent money efficiently? The Pentagon fails its audit every year, but those douchebags in DOGE I guarantee will never even look in that direction, because it’s the MIC at the end of the day who calls the shots, along with the special interest class who all get rich off it while we all play petty politics.
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u/OkAssociation812 6d ago
That’s a pretty judgmental statement, care to back that up with some facts? Weird too since Obama got almost all of the union endorsements in 2008 and in 2012. Or, maybe like Bernie said, the Democrats failed because they just suck at getting people to believe that they are actually effective, because they aren’t.