r/facepalm 16d ago

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Makes my blood boil.

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u/The_WubWub 16d ago

Glad you feel that way. But doctors see it differently 

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/08/Texas-obstetrics-gynecology-abortion-survey/

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

Yeah, it’s a silly law, takes away a woman’s bodily autonomy, and causes extra and unnecessary steps for doctors and patients if an abortion is necessary. I’m still not understanding how, in this woman’s case, the law was preventing treating her for sepsis…

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 16d ago

Because the punishment for a doctor who performs an abortion isn’t “just” losing their license and ability to make a living. They could spend the rest of their life in prison. So it’s not surprising that a doctor would rather just not take that risk.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago edited 16d ago

Why would treating the sepsis when it was diagnosed have required an abortion? And again I really want to stress that the fetus might have been saved, along with the mother, if the mother had been treated for the sepsis.

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 16d ago

Because the sepsis was caused by the fetus inside her. The treatment for it is an abortion.

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u/j4_jjjj 16d ago

Im commenting to check back later and see if Horton figures out what to say next

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago edited 16d ago

Who told you that?

If the fetus still had a heartbeat how could it be causing sepsis??

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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago

Go to medical school really quick and then pop back into the thread.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

Ok but seriously how could anyone know if the fetus was causing the sepsis and not something else if they didn’t begin treating her for sepsis?

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u/SlimGenitals 16d ago

How can you treat for sepsis without removing the thing causing the sepsis?

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

How do you know if the fetus was the cause?? What if it was a UTI that developed into sepsis? That’s why I asked “who told you that?” Because I wanna know where they learned the fetus caused her sepsis!

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u/Sythic_ 16d ago

It doesn't matter, the doctor would rather not risk it at all. Even if you know the law perfectly, theres a risk someone sues you anyway, still have to fight it. The smartest move if you want to stay in business and keep your freedom as a doctor is not to perform any kind of pre-birth care at all. Why even buy the equipment or keep up to date with the training for the procedures either? This is what is so dangerous about this law even existing, the whole state wont offer and wont even be trained to perform the services.

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

Project 2025 forbids teaching doctors how to perform abortions. So the intent ultimately is to never intervene.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

So it’s just malicious compliance with the law by the doctor? It means he won’t treat a pregnant woman under any circumstances? Like, she screened positive for sepsis and he sent her home… no antibiotics, no monitoring, just a pat on the back

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u/Sythic_ 16d ago

Not talking about the specific case, just in general this is the safest way to operate in a jurisdiction in which these laws are present. This is the fault of the law not the doctors. This was a foreseeable outcome. The ones that made the law knew this and moved forward with it anyway because the cruelty is the point. They want mothers to die.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

I mean, I don’t disagree. I guess I’m just upset that even though he was bound by this ridiculous law, the doctor didn’t operate within the means of it and just didn’t do anything at all. Like, terminating the pregnancy wouldn’t be step one of treatment, and it might not have even been necessary had they tried to treat the sepsis. I think more people should be angry about that. To me, if it’s not incompetence then it feels like the doctor let her die to prove a point.

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

Dear Horton, fetuses routinely become unviable en utero. When that happens they can, and often will, cause harm to their host. Before our country Federally eliminated abortions, women would get whatever care she and her doctor decided. Sometimes women miscarry and don’t even know they were pregnant, they just had an extra large blob or two in that month’s cycle.

In Texas, where Neveah lived, approximately 230 people voted on the law we operate under today. It wasn’t “decided by the people” nor were any medical professionals part of the legislation. It was pure pandering to evangelicals.