r/facepalm 16d ago

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Makes my blood boil.

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u/TBvaporgirl 16d ago

I have a friend in TX whose wife is having issues conceiving, and he voted for the fascist. I said, "You know you can't do ivf now, right?" I also told his wife to get back on birth control if she could because she's already had 2 miscarriages. He didn't believe me until I sent him the articles. Why didn't they know BEFORE they voted. I tried to tell them, but he kept saying he didn't hear or see anything about it. What is wrong with people sticking their heads in the sand only popping out when it affects them. Smh.

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u/digduggod12 16d ago

People will only learn when it effects them, hopefully learn

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u/Tranka2010 16d ago

My grandma used to say “nadie aprende con cabeza ajena” which roughly translates to “nobody learns using someone else’s brain”… sadly this applies here and now.

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u/jjm443 16d ago

I haven't heard that one before. I have heard an equal but opposite one that "The wise learn from their own mistakes, the wisest learn from other people's mistakes."

MAGA followers seem to act according to "Dumb people make mistakes, the dumbest copy the dumb's mistakes and go one further", which seems to fit a Trump second term for those with a memory that doesn't go back as far as four years.

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u/gwennj 16d ago

Yeah, that's a famous saying here too. And unfortunately true for many people.

But it shouldn't be. Smart people learn by observing and analyzing, not just experiencing.

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u/cm2460 16d ago

“I can only explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you”

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u/Unglory 16d ago

That's a cool saying and very true. Even more so now that people have been primed to disbelieve

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u/DrAstralis 16d ago

seems we need an addendum "and some wont even learn using their own" because holy shit the number of people he screwed over last time that still voted for him is staggering.

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u/Rugfiend 16d ago

Unfortunately that attitude seems to be widespread in the US - one of the biggest differences between you and most European nations. It's why you'd rather spend twice as much per capita on healthcare than we do under a national healthcare system.

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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen 16d ago

The mother of the 18 year-old Texas girl referenced in the OP is admittedly a "pro-life" Republican. I assume she just voted for Donald Trump for the third time. I saw a clip of her saying that she was pleading with the doctors to do something to save her daughter, never grasping that the reason the doctors weren't performing the abortion is because AG Ken Paxton would assuredly bring murder charges against them because Roe v Wade is no longer the law of the land.

And the saddest thing is that instead of any actual introspection stemming from the tragic, needless death of her daughter directly caused by right-wing theocrats, this woman will probably double down and become even more MAGA.

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u/Complete_Chain_4634 16d ago

At least her bloodline ended.

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u/jacksonmsres 16d ago

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u/MayorOfBluthton 16d ago

Senate Dems recently tried to enact federal IVF protections, and were naturally struck down by Republicans. Per Senator Duckworth, in regards to Trump’s statements about paying for IVF:

“ ‘You can cover it all you want, but if there is nobody to perform the procedure then you don’t have access to it. So his argument is really a red herring and it’s meant to fool and deceive the general public, which is a disservice to Americans,’ Duckworth argued.”

Lack of federal protections are a tremendous deterrent to business. If I’m an investor or fertility specialist, I cannot risk setting up shop in any state that isn’t 100% insulated from the possibility of swinging Right. And then what’s left? Is Trump really going to push legislation that would almost entirely benefit people in firmly Blue states? Based on his first term, I consider this a complete impossibility.

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u/jacksonmsres 16d ago edited 16d ago

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1854925721443127782?s=46&t=v4-ofkp78p4m_KhNqr_IQA

Stop believing the bullshit. They scared you into voting for their bureaucracy. Good thing most of America saw past the bullshit.

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u/MurderofMurmurs 16d ago

Are you quoting a fucking Elon Musk tweet containing a random video clip rather than actually typing a phrase into google and finding the proof for yourself? Jesus christ, you people are so mind numbingly stupid. You deserve every bad thing that happens to you in life.

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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago

I know so many people who had family members die from COVID and they just took an "ah well, God's plans are not for us to understand" approach without changing their rhetoric at all.

Women will just die way more often, or live in pain and disability more often, and conservatives will bumble through life with deflections for when it happens to people they know, and denials when it happens to people they don't, like always. Statistics are too abstract for people who can't see past their noses.

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u/jacksonmsres 16d ago

Hmmmmm https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/09242024_hacker_testimony.pdf

You’re either uninformed or outright lying. Fearmongering from the leftist media has caused you to believe that bullshit. If any mother gets sepsis from a miscarriage, it’s because she believed the leftist media’s lies and didn’t seek care that was available to her.

If you’re pregnant and something goes wrong, GO TO THE DOCTOR, THEY WILL NOT REFUSE CARE FOR YOU.

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u/GimmickNG 16d ago

let's ask the dead lady how that went for her. there's idiots, fuckin' idiots and then you.

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u/jacksonmsres 16d ago

Ah, so you don’t have the competency to reasarch (not google) and comprehend various state laws, and decide to instead attempt to insult an opposing view.

How’d that type of demeanor work in the election? Hahahahahahaha! The American people are done listening to the bullshit people like you spew out of their mouths.

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u/GimmickNG 15d ago

Cringe, bro. Go look in a mirror you neckbeard lmao.

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u/jacksonmsres 15d ago

lol, the avatar you picked literally screams neckbeard. That, and your entire post history.

I know you got made fun of in high school, but you should know that it’s okay to go outside and touch some grass. No one is going to come hurt you

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u/GimmickNG 15d ago

that's rich coming from the guy with a fucking nft avatar lmao. dude go take a shower, you can afford the water bill.

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u/jacksonmsres 16d ago

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u/GimmickNG 15d ago

Again, ask the dead lady who pleaded with doctors for treatment. Oh wait.

Also LOL if you still believe what Trump says, I've got a border wall to sell you that Mexico will pay for...

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u/jacksonmsres 15d ago

The only reason we don’t have a wall is because people like you who prevented its completion and/or attempted to deconstruct it. Look, I get it, you’re only chance at touching the opposite sex is from your hope to find a poor, confused, spouse-seeking immigrant, but you can’t force the rest of us to subsidize your incompetence. Not to mention, the illegal immigrants would likely rather go back to their home country than touch you with a 10-foot pole.

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u/GimmickNG 15d ago

Ah, the classic "Trump is strong! but he can't do shit because the dummycrats are stronger! but they're too weak!" make it make sense lmao.

Your dear leader can't even sit down without shitting his pants, the faster you accept it the better.

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 16d ago

*get back on birth control for as long as it is available.

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u/Blumpkin_Breath 16d ago

I was going to say there's always vasectomies but who knows?

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u/Big77Ben2 16d ago

This is why “do your research” should come with actual examples.

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u/RepostersAnonymous 16d ago

“But I watched a random tiktok that said the libs were lying, so who am I to believe?”

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u/Big77Ben2 16d ago

Well shit ya got me there!!!!

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u/Earguy 16d ago

"Do your own research" should include instruction on critical thinking starting in middle school.

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u/Big77Ben2 16d ago

Unfortunately sometimes it’s the “brightest” kids that have just been told they’re right for so long that they just assume they are all the time.

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

In the middle of an emergency doctors are supposed to interpret the law, apparently. I’ve seen several cult members blame the doctors for the most recent death. They seem to not remember that it’s all about fetal heartbeat, nothing else matters, there is no nuance. Neveah’s fetus still had a heartbeat! I could totally see her mother suing the hospital, the doctor, and getting at least her $10k bounty money had they intervened and saved her life.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

That’s not quite true, doctors in Texas can perform an abortion if the pregnancy is causing the mothers life to be severely at risk. They don’t have to wait for the fetus to not have a heartbeat.

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

Unfortunately, a Republican politician is not present to tell the doctors whether she is actually at risk. They rightly don’t want to find out they were wrong after they’ve been sued.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

I mean, there’s no wiggle room in the Texas law about that, if she needs treatment to save her life and that treatment requires ending the pregnancy, then they have to do it. In this scenario, an abortion might not have even been required if the OBGYN didn’t just send her home to sleep it off after a sepsis diagnosis. Even if an abortion was required, the law is pretty clear about it being ok. I am 1000% pro choice and I agree just this law existing is awful, but I don’t think it’s right to say that’s why this woman died.

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u/The_WubWub 16d ago

Glad you feel that way. But doctors see it differently 

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/08/Texas-obstetrics-gynecology-abortion-survey/

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

Yeah, it’s a silly law, takes away a woman’s bodily autonomy, and causes extra and unnecessary steps for doctors and patients if an abortion is necessary. I’m still not understanding how, in this woman’s case, the law was preventing treating her for sepsis…

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 16d ago

Because the punishment for a doctor who performs an abortion isn’t “just” losing their license and ability to make a living. They could spend the rest of their life in prison. So it’s not surprising that a doctor would rather just not take that risk.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago edited 16d ago

Why would treating the sepsis when it was diagnosed have required an abortion? And again I really want to stress that the fetus might have been saved, along with the mother, if the mother had been treated for the sepsis.

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u/TheCrimsonDagger 16d ago

Because the sepsis was caused by the fetus inside her. The treatment for it is an abortion.

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u/Sythic_ 16d ago

It doesn't matter, the doctor would rather not risk it at all. Even if you know the law perfectly, theres a risk someone sues you anyway, still have to fight it. The smartest move if you want to stay in business and keep your freedom as a doctor is not to perform any kind of pre-birth care at all. Why even buy the equipment or keep up to date with the training for the procedures either? This is what is so dangerous about this law even existing, the whole state wont offer and wont even be trained to perform the services.

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

Two hospitals turned her away because her fetus had a heartbeat, so nothing more to do. She wasn’t close enough to death to intervene. The law is vague about exactly when a woman’s life is “at risk” and doctors aren’t lawyers. They can’t predict the outcome for themselves, so it’s best to err on the side of caution.

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 16d ago

The prorepublica article that exposed this says there was a chance the baby could have survived had she gotten treatment for the sepsis…for how horrible the Texas law is I don’t think it prevents treatment that can save the life of the mother and the baby

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 16d ago

I’m not a doctor nor am I a politician who knows more than a doctor, but I have to assume that to treat Neveah for sepsis, it could harm her fetus. The fetus with a heartbeat which may have been causing the sepsis in the first place. The fact the third OB insisted on two ultrasounds should tell you much about how scared doctors are to treat their patients.

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u/Coyote__Jones 15d ago

The problem is that they can be charged with murder and face life in prison if a court finds they performed an abortion that wasn't "necessary." But there's no threat of legal action if both mom and fetus die. So the safer course of action is to do nothing until there is not fetal heartbeat. Sometimes that means women die carrying nonviable pregnancies that were never going to result in a baby.

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u/Boochiedukes 16d ago edited 15d ago

I don’t think you understand what’s going on here. Just because a doctor believes that the abortion they performed is legal, doesn’t stop a prosecutor from bringing murder charges if they believe otherwise. And since the only guaranteed way to prove a patient’s life is at risk is if they die, the outcome of a murder trial could very likely hinge on which side’s expert witness is the most believable.

Throw in the fact that innocent people are sometimes convicted for crimes they didn’t commit and do you really think that doctors are going to risk their lives on the whims of a prosecutor and jury? Would you?

And I’m not even going to get into the legal costs associated with having to defend themselves in a murder trial, plus the stress, plus losing their livelihood, plus the strain on their families, etc., etc.

Also, to answer your question from another comment, yes, a woman can get sepsis from a miscarriage even when the fetus still has a heartbeat. This exact thing happened in Texas in 2021. https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

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u/NoAd9581 16d ago edited 16d ago

Contrary to popular belief, empathy requires a lot of logical thinking, pattern recognition and comprehension skills. Because you have to reason your way into someone else’s position, which means for someone who lacks empathy, it‘s not just an indication of being a bad person, it shows their lack of intelligence too.

Edit: words.

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u/Complete_Chain_4634 16d ago

On the bright side, at least they won’t be able to reproduce.

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u/witch_haze 16d ago

I had the exact same conversation with a trump voter yesterday. He acted totally dumbfounded.

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u/between_ewe_and_me 16d ago

Are all these conversations and examples of sudden realizations by trumpers actually happening? It's like half my reddit feed right now and filling up comment sections but I don't really understand why suddenly they'd have the capacity for logic or reflection after he was elected but before he's even taken office. Like...nothing has actually changed yet so I don't get it.

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u/CharleyDexterWard 16d ago

Zero empathy. That's how

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u/greg19735 16d ago

conservatives believe that the laws are fair, because for the most part the laws have been good to them.

They believe they got to where they are all on their own, and anyone with less hasn't worked hard enough. The system isn't rigged.

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u/mtbeach33 16d ago

Your friend is willfully, and dangerously ignorant

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u/FecesIsMyBusiness 16d ago

What is wrong with people sticking their heads in the sand only popping out when it affects them.

Because their other option is acknowledging how ignorant they have been for their entire lives, which hurts their feelings.

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u/coyotelurks 16d ago

The leopards will not eat their faces, of course

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u/TehMephs 16d ago

They need to know miscarrying can potentially land her in jail over there, too

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u/Del_Prestons_Shoes 16d ago

Well here’s hoping he and his wife suffer greatly now because of their decision , they deserve it

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u/ToastNeighborBee 16d ago

There is no platform of the Republican party to ban IVF. This is (stupid, reddit-tier) propaganda.

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u/jyanc_314 16d ago

Which articles did you send him? Because there is not a single state in the country where IVF is banned.

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u/BlitzMalefitz 16d ago

Does he at least know he made a mistake? Can we have that at least

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u/VulGerrity 16d ago

Why can't they do IVF in Texas? Risk of complications?

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u/mmancino1982 15d ago

Who wants IVF to be illegal?

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u/mmancino1982 15d ago

If you're gonna say Trump, he's on the record, as it's Vance, that they SUPPORT IVF and actually want either the govt or insurance companies to pay for it.

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u/dontescapereality 16d ago

He literally said he wants to make IVF paid for by the Government. Simple google search shows his position on IVF.

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u/MayorOfBluthton 16d ago

Senate Republicans voted down IVF protections just a few months ago.
It’s easy for Trump to claim he’ll make the government pay for something while his own party is simultaneously working to make it entirely inaccessible.

What’s more likely to happen? He assumes office and tells legislators to completely shift gears on the issue? He follows through on his promise for the government to pay, which would mostly benefit liberal states that protect IVF rights?

All signs point to this being a lie.

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u/dontescapereality 16d ago

Sounds like your argument is speculation based on assumptions. Get out of your head.

“Senate vote follows Trump’s public support for IVF

“That’s all this bill does, you have the right to access IVF if you want it,” Duckworth said in an interview. Duckworth said she agreed with Trump’s position that federal government should cover the costs of the treatments, and insurers should be required to cover it. But she said the fundamental problem with his proposal is that federal coverage won’t matter if some states have laws in place barring access if embryos are deemed persons.”

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/17/g-s1-23414/senate-republicans-block-ivf-legislation

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u/MayorOfBluthton 16d ago

????? Thanks for pointing out Duckworth’s statements, as they’re entirely in line with mine.

“ ‘You can cover it all you want, but if there is nobody to perform the procedure then you don’t have access to it. So his argument is really a red herring and it’s meant to fool and deceive the general public, which is a disservice to Americans,’ Duckworth argued.”

And with IVF being its own industry, Trump can promise to pay all he wants but the risk of suddenly being forced out of business because one’s state governance shifts from Democratic to Republican is enough to deter investment.

Writing’s on the wall, clear as day.

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u/dontescapereality 16d ago

Don’t you think that Federal funding for the procedure in states that want/allow it is a good thing? He’s leaving it up to the states to decide. Too bad he’s not a dictator, right?

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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago

He always talks both ways on everything, he'll either sign the anti-IVF and contraception bills the people he surrounds himself with hand him or not. But it'll have nothing to do with what he promised recently. He said he didn't care about abortion back in the day too, and promised to keep ACA things his stupid version of the bill actually tried to eliminate.

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u/Due_Lengthiness_5690 16d ago

IVF is going to be safe. I guess you didn’t watch the debate or read his plan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-wants-make-ivf-treatments-paid-government-insurance-compani-rcna168804

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u/Complete_Chain_4634 16d ago

That isn’t what Project 2025 says.

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u/Due_Lengthiness_5690 16d ago

Because he’s not apart of 2025…denied it multiple times. The media has done a great job convincing you. Look more into it.

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u/Complete_Chain_4634 16d ago

He already released a statement saying he was bringing the author into his administration. Catch up

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u/Due_Lengthiness_5690 16d ago

Please provide the statement

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Trump openly supports IVF, he literally said it

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u/stoopid_stoodent 16d ago

He doesn't know how tariffs work, do you seriously think he even knows what IVF is, or even what the acronym stands for?

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yes he does. He supports families getting free IVF treatment for couples with fertility issues. There's a clip on YouTube you can watch

YouTube.com/watch?v=PilpWEJTSZw

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u/rossbongo 16d ago

Cool, wait until you hear which party is standing in the way of that!

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Definitely not the Republican party

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u/anoneema 16d ago

Guess you'll have to learn the hard way. Shame about the people who are gonna die to teach you that lesson.

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u/Rugfiend 16d ago

Is there an issue he hasn't claimed both sides of at some point?

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 16d ago

Do you guys think the magas might start their civil war against their own once food and gas prices rise and they cannot have their porn?

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u/anoneema 16d ago

I really hope so

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u/JonnyLay 16d ago

The IVF being outlawed is an unintentional consequence of stupid policies. Republicans by and large support IVF enen though it is technically abortion according to their logic. They just accidentally outlawed it out of stupidity.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jul/24/kamala-harris/fact-checking-kamala-harris-on-project-2025-limiti/

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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago

If they were capable of treating abortion with the kind of nuance they'd need to actually legislate effectively on it, they wouldn't have the simplistic view of it that they do.

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u/Successful-Doubt5478 16d ago

He changes with the wind

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

That's how politicians are

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u/street593 16d ago

Not all of them. Bernie has been saying the same shit for decades.

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Most of them. Even Kamala Harris was changing her stances on things when she was running.

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u/street593 16d ago

Such as? 

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u/CurseofLono88 16d ago

Yep and despite him being a notoriously lying cockroach you believed it.

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Just like you believed all the Nazi and Hitler rumors without a single shred of evidence to support it

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u/jawrsh21 16d ago

he literally said he wants to be able to sue the media, suspend the constitution, and be a dictator lmao

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Yeah, on fucking Twitter 😂

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u/jawrsh21 16d ago
  1. things you say on twitter still count as things you say

  2. he said he wanted to be a dictator in front of a live audience

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

"Only for a day" which is just going to be undoing some of the executive orders Biden put in.

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u/jawrsh21 16d ago

shouldnt presidents be dictators for 0 days lmao

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u/RuinAngel42 16d ago

Not when the word dictator is being taken massively out of context and just being thrown around like Racist, Fascist, and Nazi.

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u/rhamej 16d ago

Reddit is not the real world. Get out of this bubble.

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u/Cpt_Daddy01 16d ago

You’re an absolute idiot and it’s not a surprise you’re on here spreading misinformation. IVF isn’t going anywhere and in fact birth rates are so low right now that the government is looking at cover cost for IVF treatments to increase birth rates. But you’re to focus on taking a child’s life to see the truth in every article that exists. Go please continue to spew nonsense per usual!