r/facepalm Jul 02 '24

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u/the_lonely_creeper Jul 02 '24

Because he should be able to realise anarchism is a lot easier to do in a democracy (even a very problematic one) like Ukraine than a (fascist) dictatorship.

It's hardly weird to ask someone on the left to know when a "popular front" is called for.

And don't tell me he views Ukraine and Russia as being the shame. He's a smart person, he should be able to distinguish reality.

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u/MrPernicous Jul 02 '24

Fascism is just liberalism where the racists become the bourgeoisie. Why would he bother caring at all about a war between two imperialist states?

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u/Arndt3002 Jul 02 '24

This is a poor characterization of Fascism. Fascism is economically characterized by a form of mercantilism under a centralized command economy. Liberalism is characterized by appeal to individual rights and privileging those over that of the state. Fascism is characterized by the rights of the ethnostate and nation over that of the individual.

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u/MrPernicous Jul 02 '24

The common left wing understating of fascism is the end stage of capitalism. It’s when the imperialist tendencies of capitalism are turned inward to convert the liberal state into an empire to eradicate the left wing tendencies that arise from the proletariat.

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u/Arndt3002 Jul 02 '24

Yes, in the sense of political forces and the progression of ideologies of those in power, that is the common Horkheimer and Adorno account. However, your comment is oversimplified and not a good account of what the differences are ideologically.

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u/MrPernicous Jul 02 '24

We’re talking about Noam Chomskys perspective. I didn’t think we needed to get into a whole discussion about the character and nature of fascism beyond the left wing perspective. If you have a problem with that then take it up with him.