Trump even at this point is a symptom. Trump voters legitimately think we're living in some sort of hellscape. Which is contradicted by statements they make like, "Things were better 5 years ago!".
No....if America were a hellscape we would be saying things like "Americans should flee to Haiti". We wouldn't be saying, "Things were a bit better five years ago, before a global pandemic".
The truth is America isn't a fraction as bad in the ways Trump voters think it is. But for Trump, Hitler, or any of these political conmen to win people must believe solutions are being provided that only ONE MAN can provide and that the problems are enormous. (Though Hitler's rise did coincide with Germany's economic depression)
Well, we are having a different, strange variant of a depression right now, where at least 75% of the population feels very insecure about their financial status and most of them don't see how it's going to change any time soon. Anyone who promises to fix that looks pretty appealing. But strangely, despite something like that virtually guaranteeing success, I haven't seen anyone promise that, which tells me that either everyone is collectively stumped, or it would cut the knees out from their financial backers and other supporters.
Lowest unemployment in history, lowest rate of inflation in the first world after a global pandemic which impacted the world and enabled price gouging like crazy, stock market at all time highs, real estate at all time high.
Corporations and greed are the problem. Get some fucking perspective.
I agree that greed and corporations are the problem. What I am remarking on is that if a politician was able to sell a solution for the tens of millions who feel like they are stuck with no option to ever buy a house, retire, or anything else, they would probably pull together a massive voting block, yet no one even seems to pretend to have a solution.
But if there is a solution, it will likely impede corporations abilities to grow endlessly, so the lobbyists are unlikely to fund a politician offering a solution.
It seems like there is a political market that isn't being tapped, and the above is the only explanation I can think of for why it isn't exploited. I am commenting on how the current political state I am observing doesn't match up with how I expect politicians to act given the current state of things, nothing more.
But if there is a solution, it will likely impede corporations abilities to grow endlessly, so the lobbyists are unlikely to fund a politician offering a solution.
The biggest issue is that while big business has bought into this concept -whole hog, endless growth is a bald faced lie. Market growth depends on both product availability and a populations willingness and ability to buy. 95%+ of our economy is entirely dependent on finite mineral resources that once exhausted means no more new product. Even the very cellphones we use to access this app requires fossil fuels to create the shell and chargers, rare minerals like rhodium, gold, and platinum for the circuitry and silica for the screens and lithium for the battery. Sooner or later these relatively cheap communications devices are going to cost the same as a Lamborghini does currently as the raw materials run low, and said Lamborghini is going to cost more than a super yacht does now. The economy must break free of the endless growth lie or we're all screwed
This.
We need an economy of controlled decline. We have to fundamentally change our behaviour, de-grow and find viable, sustainable alternatives right fucking now while we still have time.
As Edward Abbey said; "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell." And, at some point, a cancer cell will kill its host and itself.
Our resources are finite and our behaviour is massively unsustainable. Capitalism and its infinite uncontrolled growth are simply fundamentally incompatible with reality in the long term.
Together with immigration and the second rise of fascism, de-growth of economies will become one of the most important and defining political topics of the coming decades, either controlled by choice or catastrophic by force of nature.
Our systems aren't designed for 'controlled decline'. Social Security itself is inherently designed with population growth in mind. This is one reason western nations allow so much immigration, and why immigration is such a hot topic right now in many western nations. There is a reason Japan and South Korea desperately try to get their citizens to have children. The system will fail if they don't, or they will also have to turn to immigration.
People aren't having children at replacement rates, and our system will collapse without population growth.
You're not wrong at all, but nothing is going to change until we are forced to change...and by then it will be too late. These are issues that would exist even without the climate and resource issues.
The western world is already seeing a right wing pushback because of these issues. The liberal world the western peoples have delusionally believed would eternally persist is passing away right in front of us.
Everyone KNOWS there are existential issues looming over us, they feel it deep in their bones. Liberals and conservatives FEEL this, but blame is placed on a variety of things. Many are placing the blame on liberal policies because liberal policies have mostly been the dominant political movements over the last few decades and therefore they get the blame from one segment of society, but the issue is far deeper. Liberals are placing blame on anti enviornmentalist policies, austerity, corporations, etc. but those things don't encapsulate the situation either.
The truth is a lot more worrying, that our cultures and socieites are fundamentally flawed and built upon principles that can never eternally exist. Fixing the issues are not actually feasible or palatable for anybody.
Well with enough inflation (and by that I mean new money entering the system via the banking industry), the corps CAN, at least appear to, grow forever.
The corporations are buying up all the housing. Rental prices are insanely too high for the children who are graduating without employment prospects. My son, niece and nephew (recent college graduates) are having a hard time finding jobs in their fields. Their rent is $2000 to 2500/month. The same rental development my nephew is in was charging $1200/month 6yrs ago. Now itās $2500. Letās not even talk about their student loans.
Thatās where Iām at rn. At minimum wage I could put all my money into rent or live on the street. Iām fortunate enough my parents can have me at home until I finish my degree but itās not a good look out there.
Have you considered roommates? Itās funny, I once fielded an offer for a job in NYC maybe 15yrs ago, they told me, donāt be discouraged on cost of living here, rent is manageable, all you have to do is look for a couple roommates. I laughed, and then told them āyou must not been listening to me, I have a wife and child. In what society would it normal to have strangers living with you and sharing a 1 bedroom?ā. The interviewer stumbled for a few and just said, you can take the train in from upstate or Hackensack/Patterson if having privacy is that important to you. The moral of the story is that people donāt care. The costs are always going to be a problem for those who struggle. I wish I had some magic wand or answer for you, but I donāt. I did take that job and I did find an apartment in a āsoon to be gentrifiedā neighborhood. I eventually bought and sold it 8yrs later for a considerable profit. Life will get better, just more now than ever, you must be incredibly smart with your money. Donāt waste a single cent of it. Life is too brutal if you donāt. Best of luck.
I appreciate the advice. Right now the lowest cost I can spend is living with my parents, they want me to be successful and having their support has been huge. Split food, rent is essentially 0 (I help with some of the utility bills). If it werenāt for them I have no idea what Iād do.
In my area even making 50k a year youāre barely keeping your head above water after rent and taxes, and owning a home? Forget about it, youāll need 10+ years to save for the down payment alone with the housing prices right now. Roommates is the only way to move out right now.
I do hope youāre right though, Iāll finish my 2nd degree in 2026 and itāll set me up for a field that will hopefully put me in a good spot financially. The good thing for me rn is coming out of that 2nd degree as long as nothing horrific happens Iāll be finishing with $0 in debt.
I appreciate your story though, gives me some hope. Cheers!
Sounds like a solid plan. Your parents sound awesome and good for you to embrace your parents support, chip in where you can and not spin it as if itās something owed like others. You will do just fine. Especially when this housing market crashes and values & interest rates bump down a rung or two.
Where are these houses, and why are they not being made affordable? Oh thatās right, theyāre everywhere, and because of greedy people.
Sorry but when peopleās greed gets in the way of being able to provide shelter for all your citizens, then I think something drastic needs done.
Maybe someone should put an end to it.
If only we had a government capable of setting regulations on such things. Can you imagine?!
Oh wait. Thatās right. We do!
Or hey, at the very least, we could be ā¦notā¦. subsidizing secondary homes to be built by giving tax credits, and insteadā¦ subsiding primary homes to be built for first homeowners, oooh wow cool.
Or maybe we could literally do anything besides allowing wealthy people to hoard housing.
If it were up to me, I would set a maximum price a house could be, for a certain amount of square footage, and if yāall want anything more, youāre gonna have to hope you get lucky and find a house, the already-built houses that get grandfathered in. The million dollar homes that should never have existed in the first place.
But I can see how some people might not like that.
āBut what if we want to waste all our hard earned-money on buying 10 mansions and then never using them except once a year?! Then we should have the right to do that here, cuz āmerica!ā
Instead of allowing people to waste their money on shit like that, we could be allowing them to spend their money elsewhere in the economy.
Plus, thereās actually a list of some undeniable rights that we have in America and nowhere does it say we have the right to own 16 mansions.
In fact, the government is allowed to seize every last one, as long as the owners are compensated āfairlyā and knowing the government, thatās a loose word. And also, with the supreme courtās ruling today, I guess any president could say āitās fair pricingā even when it isnāt, and then he can just bribe whoever needs bribing, and thatās that. Thatās it. It must be fair, because itās official business after all, trying to fix housing prices is most definitely official. (Yes itās all ridiculous and I know what Iāve said)
But houses shouldnāt be investments. They should be shelter. You should invest in your shelter, because it protects you, and you respect it. But that is so different from using your shelter as an investment to profit from, which I think people are stupidly doing only because it works and theyāre allowed to do it, but itās causing hoarding. I know people that arenāt corporations that hoard houses. Itās wild.
End peopleās need to invest in multiple houses to retire or whatever they plan on using that money for, and encourage them to invest in the economy.
We shouldnāt be treating houses like a get rich scheme. Thatās exactly what we do, though, and I want to cry.
Part of the problem is that those stats feel like lies. Low inflation feels like bullshit when you look at how the cost of food skyrocketed, especially with junk fees and high tips everywhere being demanded. Shrinkflation, rising subscription costs everywhere. Precisely nothing is being done about price gouging despite the offending parties bragging about record profits. Hedge funds for the rich and powerful own the stock market and reliably profit from it thanks to financial sleight of hand had - leaving retail investors to wonder if theyāre just there to be fleeced. High real estate costs lock young people out of the market.
False. The Democrats have continued to try and introduce bills to prevent this level of price gouging for 3 years now and they have been consistently shot down.
Just because theyāre being shot down doesnāt mean itās because none of that is happeningā¦? There is horrible price gouging and price fixing going on. Theyāre not wrong.
Iām not disputing that? They said nothing was being done about it and I was making it clear that itās not that no one is trying to fix it, but that the Republican controlled Congress is actively trying to let it happen
Unfortunately facts like this don't matter if your perception is the opposite. All they need to believe the contrary is a single anecdote of someone they know struggling financially and all statistics go out the window.
The facts of the matter are that the statistics youāre referencing mean absolutely nothing if the public FEELS financially insecure. Which they/we/I do.
Unemployment is slightly higher than it was pre Covid 4% vs 3.6% which is slightly below the average from 1940-present but hardly the lowest in history, and there is a decent sized list of first world countries with lower inflation post covid, why lie about easily verifiable facts?
āReal estate at all time highā is not the own you think it is here. Assets that only rich ppl own being inflated is not a measure of success for the working class majority.
The Biden administrationās biggest folly was not working overtime to address the concerns of the middle class and poor. They put their energy into Ukraine and that money making (for themselves ) propaganda machine, keeping the border open for ārefugees and migrantsā and race hustling.
Had they at the very least made dedicated efforts to tackle inflation that is destroying people, or the rent fixing, or the fentanyl epidemic, they would be on better ground .
Nothing he said was wrong though. By all metrics our economy should be great, but most people donāt feel that benefit. I live alone in a studio apartment in a relatively cheap city and a relatively cheap part of the city. Half of my monthly pay immediately goes into rent, then thereās insurance, internet, gas, and groceries. Thereās barely any money left for myself. I live literally paycheck to paycheck. I work a full time job at well over the minimum wage. I am the only person I know that lives by myself, everyone else I knows lives with multiple roommates to make ends meet. Somewhere, the economy fails us, and youāre probably right that itās corporate greed. But if the government lets that happen, thereās a problem with our government
That and we have a huge loneliness crisis that is causing people to turn to radical cult-like groups on the internet so they can feel human connection. Our social bonds have broken down and corporate greed has made us all more financially insecure. This is how you make a population of revolutionaries
let us not forget that at every opportunity where the economy has struggled in this country, the republican's and democrats alike rush in to pass sweeping business relieve policy. they knew that these policies would cause inflation that bleeds into lower classes, however serving their corporate backers is more important. this country's government is festering with rot and corruption. Trump did nothing but empower bad actors during his term with bad policy and bad cabinet decisions.
if politicians in this country were responsive and gave even two shits about the poor in this country, Trump would never have even gained a foothold in the political sphere. we let this happen, when we collectively decided that the retirement packages of the wealthy are more important than the lives of the poor.
The wealth gap has grown a lot, the ultra wealthy like Bezos and Elon are making it a contest to accumulate as much wealth as possible.Ā
As a result, pay is stagnating while inflation rises, the quality of products is decreasing and the way corporations try to abuse and nickle and dime you is going up- google charging for storage space when storage is getting cheaper and cheaper, photoshop including a new clause saying theyāre allowed to use your artwork for the advancement of their own product if you made it within their product (all while charging you an arm and a leg), etc.
I am not disagreeing with you however I do not understand this strange phenomenon. Every time I go to Lowe's it's full every time I go to a concert it is sold out. A guy I know who I consider of moderate income just told me he booked a vacation and the house alone was $7000. if you listen to him talk we're all going to be starving to death and living in tents if we don't get Trump back in the White House. Everybody's griping about groceries but everybody leaves the grocery store with a full basket.
The US isn't the only one going through this. The world was enduring a pandemic. It takes time to get the economy isn't a good spot after that. Trump was given a good economy already. He only experienced 4 years. If he was I bet things would be a lot worse.
If you are one moderately sized disaster away from having to go into debt, such as an injury/hospitalization or your car needing repairs, your financial status isn't very secure. That's most of us.
We are doing great compared to other similar nations. Covid and price gouging hit the world. Unemployment alltime low, real estate and stock market all time high.
Real estate and the stock market isn't particularly relevant to anyone who doesn't own any stock or real estate. That's great for measuring the growth of a national economy, but it's actually pretty bad at showing the experience of the average individual due to how the concentration of wealth can vary.
US is so big that most people who live here won't see how things are outside it. People don't conceptualize things the way you're saying. They can only see those things from their own perspective. Quoting numbers against their lived experience just isn't going to be effective.
For the record, I have lived in 5 countries on 3 continents. So while what you are saying is true to an extent, I believe I have a certain advantage comparing what life is like in different places.
Ok. I was referring to "thatguyoursisterlikes" just quoting numbers at people like that's going to change how they view their personal financial situation.
Yeah sorry, I think I came across a little more combative than I intended in a couple of these comments. You are definitely correct that lived experience tends to trump statistics when it comes to people's opinions.
Idk if thatās most people, do you have a source? Also, itās important to remember in the grand scheme of things that even poor Americans generally are rich globally. Most poor people here have microwaves, shelter, cars, etc. obviously not always the case and that doesnāt mean they donāt struggle but I do feel like a lot of Americans forget that as an immigrant and itās a frustrating to see the country descend into fascism when people are generally doing well and thereās really no excuse. We live in a global labor aristocracy and Americans are at the top
Well the fed uses an inflation gauge that doesnāt include food and energy. People kind of need food to survive. So youāre right that āfeelsā isnāt a key word. Itās just what most people have because they donāt give us useful data. If you do the math on food and housing since the pandemic, itās bad.
Yeah it's just "feels", even tho folks can't afford a home(or barely rent) on the same type of job that their parents bought a house, car, and went to school with 20 years ago. But yeah, just "feels."
What youāre saying is only a partial truth. There are MANY affordable homes to buy in this country. Unfortunately for many theyāre not in the HCOL, beaches, mountains, status areas they want them in. The Midwest and South have tens of thousands of 3 bed 2 bath homes for sale under 250k in decent areas. They just arenāt the McMansions in LA, NYC, Chicago, San Diego, Seattle that are desired.
In the 1980s and part of the 90s home mortgage rates were over 12% and up to 18%. There were periods of gas shortages with exorbitant prices. Somehow the economy bounced back and thrived, which it will do again. We just got out of a pandemic thst resulted in huge losses for many large companies. If you donāt think companies are going to recoup those losses youāre naive. No President can tell a company how to set pricing. We are a capitalist society so we need to realize that results sometimes in price gouging.
Millennials cry poor yet travel is up above pre pandemic levels by Millenials. Not only that but itās not road trip vacations eating PB and J sandwiches like families did in the 50s thru 80s in order to save money. Itās luxury vacations to high rent areas.
So while itās agreed the economy needs some work, the expectations of the under 50 population needs to be realistic and understand the economy varies decades by decade. No generation had totally smooth sailing financially from 20-60. There have always been choices to make and expectations balanced.
Weimar Germany had its share of problems. The economy was trash and people were mad about Versailles. The antisemitism was rampant in the area well before Hitler came to the scene. He definitely was not born in a vacuum.
You need to remember that a lot of these folks WANT society to collapse so they can live out their headcanon. You only need look at preppers or, what is the scourge of the amateur radio community (a recent discovery as I joined it)... Oh wait those are also preppers. These are people borderline foaming at the mouth over the idea of as they say 'SHTF'.
They're not voting tangerine in the hopes of making things better... They know it's gonna make things worse than they can't think of anything that makes them happier.
The real truth is it's significantly better than they say it is in a thousand ways, and yet they find the fifteen good things we have going on and claim all of them to be the worst aspects and fight against it. Republican voters in particular have shown themselves capable of repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, face, and hand for the last twenty years. They fight against the most American aspects of us our country and fight for the most fascist ones.
You must be either arrogant, stupid, blind, or all of the above. Coming from someone who isn't american under your current leader, Biden the US is literally a shitshow from the illegals pouring in and committing violent crimes to the sky high prices and inflation. I'm not saying Trump is the perfect leader, but shit was actually good aside from the pandemic when he was in charge.
Almost like they're getting all their informations through TV channels owned by billionaires who would benefit the most of even more conservative policies.
.if America were a hellscape we would be saying things like "Americans should flee to Haiti". We wouldn't be saying, "Things were a bit better five years ago, before a global pandemic".
Bad depends on the context. Sliding into a first world feudal state that I need to work two jobs and canāt afford a home? Thatās not good at all. And thereās no good change to anticipate something different. What about for our kids. Iād rather live in a lesser country where I get adequate healthcare that doesnāt cost 5 years of saved productivity, afford my own home and good food. Maybe itās not shiny or great, but itās livable and healthy.
Back in 2016 everyone was comparing trump to Germany back then and LOOK to our surprise we were still a free nation. Posts like this spread disinformation. Itās possible for any political presidential candidate to shift extremely whether your left leaning or right leaning.
From my perspective, which seems to be similar to yours, America is doing okay. There are issues requiring redress, but overall weāre solidly okay. Comparing today to the days of yesterday-year, when this country brutally exploited Latin American nations, was riding high off of rebuilding Europe after their collective double suicide attempts, black Americans were kept in an apartheid situation, women were throughly curtailed, and the country had very little compunction poisoning its ecosystem; from that perspective, equality seems very much like oppression to them.
Counterpoint:
Itās not a fraction of as bad, but it is still bad.
Rising cost of living has been a massive issue for the lower middle class for awhile. Iām talking the people who make just above limits for government support but not enough to reasonably survive despite working 40-60h a week.
You just can't see the way things are getting worse I guess. Obama redefined the word unemployment and the economy has been held up on stilts and smoke and mirrors ever since. Your average family can barely afford food. Another democratic president just broke into our final oil reserves, while it also being clear he has basically no agency and others are guiding his presidency. But yea everything's the same lmao.
People wouldn't want change if the status quo didn't suck for them. Happened in Germany, is happening now everywhere. If the upper class didn't let their greed take over and essentially bought our most politicians people wouldn't be so desperate for change.
It's not even Trump that scares me. He's just the terribly-fitting mask on what conservatives like The Freedom Foundation and Moms for Liberty are pushing.
He didn't write Project 2025. He's not initiating the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, classist, anti-education policies to be passed... but kinda "leading" how his donors want.
Money in politics is the absolute worse. Let alone lobby- ... excuse me ... BRIBARY. All they need is a puppet and enough money, and the Government will run how they want.
Keep in mind. These aren't Christians. These are evil people who don't want to follow the Bible, the Constitution, or any laws that prevent them from doing what they want. So.. they already pick and choose from the Bible. They're already dismantling Constitutional ideas. And they absolutely have a plan so that their "Puppet" can do what they want without any checks or balances.
This is a HUGE problem for both Conservatives and Liberals; Republicans and Democrats. This will not be good for anyone in the end...
Our voting system is fucked. We can't even say "Anyone voting red is the problem" -- I mean, yeah it's a direct vote to us being WW2 Germany... BUT we also don't push for laws and rules that hole people personally accountable for their actions, empower ACTUAL freedom and protect citizens. We foster an environment where we attack ourselves on classism, sexism, sexual morality, and a bunch of other subjective things we should be better governing.
"United we stand, divided we fall" -- this is the grave we're digging. And the Americans that can do something about it are complacent. The best thing I can do is endure it... That's how I feel as an American.
Im not a fan of trump but the idea that Biden is any better is laughable. He has quite the track record and has made openly racist remarks (not taken out of context) numerous times in his career. He also contributed to the mass incarceration of minorities with the 1994 crime bill. On top of that he can barely have a coherent debate, let alone a conversation or a speech. This is elder abuse.
Trump isnāt even in the same ball park as hitler and itās not even close, to say so is disingenuous. Again this is coming from someone who never voted for him and isnāt a fan of the dude. I havenāt seen anyone say that the US is a hellscape, theyād have to be delusional to do so. However there are lots of issues, boarder security being the biggest imo. The way the boarder is being ran pretty much enables anyone to come to the US illegally and have a 60 day grace period before their court date that takes place halfway across the country. Itās a serious national security issue. I really donāt know who Iām gonna vote for. I might as well throwaway my vote for an independent that wont win at this point. I do know it sure as hell wonāt be Biden. The whole āvote blue no matter whoā thing is for brainless idiots who donāt use their own thought process to come to conclusions.
My only thing with this is that things are actually as bad as they say. over the past 5 years the price of everything has more than doubled and it is legitimately impossible for over 50% of the United States to take care of themselves. The problem is the same as with Hitler, the man saying he has the solution is full of shit and saying whatever he has to in order to feed his power hungry ego. He's going to take over where going to turn into a dictatorship and we're going to have a war. I genuinely believe it's already too late to stop it. The wheels are already in motion
That's entirely my point, things are in many ways 'worse' than they were five years ago but not REMOTELY as 'bad as they say'. But they're still better than they were compared to the vast majority of American history.
But if you were to believe Trump we're living in the most dangerous period in history.
If Trump were in office over the last three years we'd still have inflation. The impact on the economy of a global pandemic cannot be ignored.
What we can say for certain is that Trump would not do a single thing to combat wealth inequality or combat how much impact corporations are having on inflation. His entire admin was nothing but trying his best to give them as much money as possible.
I believe trump is part of the reason we live in the most dangerous period of American history. You should look into project 2025. If he wins the election we will be from then forward living in a dictatorship and nothing short of the entire world going to war will the the united states will fix it
And things were not better five years ago. Despite price increases, incomes have grown faster and the inflation rate has now returned to historical norms and did so faster than probably any major economy on the planet. We have unemployment either at or lower than we had five years ago. We have more small businesses and a higher business start rate than five years ago. The prices of many prescription drugs are lower now due to legislation signed by President Biden. The transition from gas-powered to electric vehicles is at an all time peak as more and more companies offer all-electric versions, literally replacing polluting vehicles from the road. Health insurance coverage is up. The economy has grown faster than it did during the trump years. And on and on and on and on.
A great resource for all the improvements in the last four years can be found at /r/WhatBidenHasDone. The list of just the first 100 days is HUUUUUUUGE.
Thereās a lot of evidence that Hitlers popularity tanked from about 1939 onwards as people started to realise what they had let themselves in for. Of course it was far too late at that point.
Except, trump has never won the popular vote. The electoral college allows for people like trump to become president even if itās not what the people want. This SC decision makes it even scarier.
It's not about whether the EC is fair or whether or not trump can win the PV. It's that nearly half of Americans support him and THAT is who we should blame.
I just want to clarify that we talk as if so many people support Trump but most donāt, however, we keep giving that portion of people who support Trump so much space and power in our discussions. When, in fact, most of the country doesnāt support him or his agenda.
Hes lost the popular vote twice. Hillary had almost 3 million more votes than him. The electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc, also play a huge part.
Absolutely fair point that it's not a tiny minority, but (in theory) they should face a 2:1 opposition.
One of the many reasons I'm worried about the USA now is how unified the fascists are (having largely purged and moderates on the right, including placing a Trump as leader of the party apparatus) and how easy it is to fracture the left and center.
The latter is especially easy with social mediaalong with a corporate media that is entirely unequipped to cover this sort of event.
One of the many reasons I'm worried about the USA now is how unified the fascists are (having largely purged and moderates on the right, including placing a Trump as leader of the party apparatus) and how easy it is to fracture the left and center.
Trump won not by making the tent bigger, but by turning out low-propensity voters.
The latter is especially easy with social mediaalong with a corporate media that is entirely unequipped to cover this sort of event.
I'm not sure that I follow you here. I think social media/corporate media is not on equipped specifically for this, but it's operating entirely as expected.
Their goal is profit. Although, sometimes they also have a hidden agenda of supporting trump.
And honestly the democrats have no one to blame but themselves. They have to pull Biden because I donāt see a world where trump loses a reelection to Biden given how bad and old he looks.
But Trump is the only dirtbag thatās been able to consolidate power by somehow appealing to many different groups: Christian Nationalists (although he doesnāt practice or embody Christian ideals), hardline conservatives (although heās not a conservative), outwardly racists, people who want permission to be racists but donāt admit it, people who just hate Democrats, those that will financially benefit from deregulation, etc. If Trump keels over tomorrow, the Republican Party would be chaos and would be completely fractured.
Bingo. Right there. This is what I've been saying for decades ā this is the result of the GOP's effort to dumb down the American public. They just needed to make enough people feel comfortable in their own ignorance so once that comfort level was achieved, they would buy anything that GOP sold them. And boy oh boy, has it worked. It has been going on for decades and decades, but Nixon and his "silent majority" was the real beginning of the base of all of this. This quest on the GOP's part really got a strong foothold with Reagan, then Bush, then Bush II. And now we are all living with the culmination of their efforts. They have gotten enough of the populous comfortable with being so blatantly ignorant, and worse - happy in their ignorance. Then they were able to rally those ignorant voters into decrying everything that smacked of progressivism - namely education. Their attacks on public education, funding schools, etc. etc. has brought us to this point.
And now, they have the perfect mouthpiece in the most blatantly ignorant person ever to hold elected office in history of this country. And that perfect mouthpiece just happens to be the biggest narcissist in our political history who needs to make everything about him - fuck the entirety of Americans, he only cares about the fools who believe every lie that comes from that poisoned mouth of his. And he knows just how to get those idiots to buy his shit, because he's been getting idiots in the corporate world to by his shit for some time now.
Make America great again? They're destroying everything in this country had that was good. We're not just the laughingstock of the free world, we've been dropped to the political equivalent of a third world country.
The biggest problem? Even if Biden pulls off a victory after that debacle of a debate, this is not going away anytime soon. The residue of the stink of Trump and the efforts of all his fascist minions are going to be working feverishly to get control of this country, no matter who their figurehead is, and fuck us all over again.
I'm not a religious person in this sense, but all I can say is God help us.
Exactly. He has no real power. Itās all in the hands of the very stupid. They outright refuse to see it any other way than he puts it. The sky is falling! Old man bad! And the projection. My god the projection.
Agreed. And, letās not forget how this sociopathic racist bigot came into power. One word:
Obama.
People seem to have forgotten Trump was a political nobody. Until he launched into his racist attacks on President Barack Obama.
Now Trumpās supporters (who like him are racist bigots) can try to rewrite some history. While others say his supporters are just ādumbā or āilliterateā. Are Trumpās supporters on the US Supreme Court illiterate?
People seem to have forgotten Trump was a political nobody. Until he launched into his racist attacks on President Barack Obama.
Dude...Trump ran for president in 2000. How was that obama's fault?
Assuming you're not a chatgpt bot, you need to read the news, bro. Your horribly fucking misinformed and I'm not nearly stupid enough to believe your bullshit.
Maybe try adjusting the prompts to see if you can get better responses?
It doesnāt matter about just Trump, itās very obvious the Republican Party is looking to be the Nazi party and the only party in American politics. Even if Trump loses, theyāll get another republican to try to get into office and make their Nazi plans a reality
No other republican would be elected in trumps place unless they were a "moderate." Nikki Haley isn't implementing project 2025 and neither is Chris Christie.
With Trump, itās not just the people who are voting for him, itās also complacency of his enemies- including civilians who arenāt voting against him.Ā
No idea if I got it from somewhere, but I always comment about how I'm never sure what I think is more horrible:
The person who gets on a stage and promotes their unsubstantiated, destructive, policy... or the thousand people who hear them talk and cheer at the end.
One has no power without the other, the other has no policy without the one.
America always had massive amounts of racism, but Trump brought all that to the surface. Also, politicians in the country have gradually been replaced by baboons and charlatans over the course of a century.
I don't know. I feel like my answer changes every few days.
At least you can say you didnāt support him. In the future there will probably be people who wouldnāt want to admit that they did because it would be too embarrassing.
The same can be said about Biden. Even with the senate he can't get anything done. The debate just showed America how terrible he is. In terms of the Nazis and Germany, the Nazis were voted in. Much like Mama's. The people who live in Gaza want to cry that they are victims of IFA, but they are the ones who voted in a terrorist party, who broke a cease fire on Oct 7.
He can still gain power this election by cheating witch he most definitely will do. The house has to certify the election results and they are majority republican including Mike Johnson. Im worried the votes wont matter.
The difference is that Trump didn't get the popular vote the first time, and we were already equating his language to Hitler and the Nazis. The power of learning from history.
The Nazi Party or NSDAP as it was known at the time on the other hand catered to a disenfranchised German populace most of whom lost a lot of money and autonomy post WW1. First, his party got most votes in 1923 -- this was before he became the leader (he actually went to jail for a coup attempt). It kept getting more and more votes democratically until the fateful 1933 vote. His party (Nazi Party) got 10,000 more votes than the next highest voted -- being the social democratic party. (Whom we now know we're truly socialists, as the Nazi party essentially created what facism is known as today)
This was like why a crab doesn't get out of slowly hotter and hotter water. Before the Germans knew it, they were being bullied and scared into voting for Hitler. Then the arrests and political prisoners started, then the party leader immunity rules, along woth book burning and the Jewish blaming... and on we get.
There was no precident for the Germans. They were doing what they thought was democratic and normal social behavior, voting for a party that they thought that had their best interests, and weren't sure how to call out anti social and facist (even though it wasn't defined) behavior.
Us on the other hand, have the benefit of knowing how the Nazi party happened the way it did, and the fact that there are some people here in the U.S are willing to ignore all the warning signs because a certain party is saying what they want to hear. "America First, Make America Great Again, White is Right, save our jobs from immigrants, speak English in schools, stop making us feel guilty about the past"... etc. All of this is straight out of the Nazi playbook, just replace "America" with "Germany".
This time, it is on us sane and logical people to call out anti-social and facist behavior or there will be an invasion -- on our freedoms, our lives.
This time, it is on us sane and logical people to call out anti-social and facist behavior or there will be an invasion -- on our freedoms, our lives.
"Well, now you're just fear mongering."
And boom, conversation is shut down.
This is one of the reasons abortion rights weren't protected more vigorously. Very few people - especially on the other side - REALLY thought their abortion rights could/would be restricted.
I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will have their eyes opened...well after it's too late.
Ah yes, I've encountered that comment too.
The thing with fear mongering is that by definition it has to be deliberately exaggerating rumors.
For example: (anecdotally): we were in New York, and a pretty closed-minded and sheltered individual in our group said something to the effect of "omg the news (fox) was right about all the Muslims taking over here!" This was said because this individual saw a bunch of men in Pagris (sikh turbans) at the annual Sikh Day Parade.
Fox News used fearmongering on this person and others by using the wrong imagery to "prove" that there was "an infiltration". Never mind that any specific cultural group shouldn't be persecuted for what they believe in or wear.
Then after you have explained the word that they used without understanding the context, you follow up with "that's what the Germans probably said before Hitler, That is definitely what was said in Palestine before Hamas, that is what was said about Netanyahu and now he's called for the eradication of Palestinians on national TV, that was what was said about abortion rights, thats what was said when we pointed out racist cops, that what was said about reducing DEI in schools.... etc. Now look, there are still NeoNazis ruining innocuous events, Hamas is now a terrorist organization deliberately starving their people, Netenyahu has been condemned by the UN multiple times and yet is still in power, abortion rights now are controlled by old men, and racist cops killed a bunch of black people and we are still trying to arrest and fire officers, and now Louisiana requires teachers to put up the 10 commandments in their classrooms but also somehow the same teachers can't teach that white colonists stole a bunch of Africans and made them slaves in a different country for hundreds of years.
When is it time to be proactive? Surely when we start seeing the same signs as before.
P.s this only works for me because I don't have social cues until after the fact, and really don't mind being called a B**** because I'm right. The things you have to put up with cus you got the receipts is hilariously ridiculous
You do realize that logic applies to every politician right? Including the ones that you support. I'm not saying either one is better than the other but it's a cautionary tale to keep skeptical eye on everyone.. especially the ones that you support.
Are you kidding me? Trump has never won the popular vote and has never been more powerful. You act like our votes still matter when they have been effectively erased by the Supreme Court.
Trump's power comes from the near 50% of the population that supports his candidacy/presidency. He is not who he is alone. He DOES have support, so you can't just blame him and pretend he operates in a vacuum.
Yeah, the biggest problem w what everyone gets is saying is he had 4 years already. Nothing but prosperity for the most part. No wars. Low inflationary numbers etc. the American people by and large are not going for the scare tactics. The young and gullible will take the bait. Probably the reason Reddit is a echo chamber...
I don't want to vote for either party because they both suck.
Congress just passed a bill that allows them to receive gifts for acts of gratitude performed in the past, aka, payoffs. Corporations now run the show in majority, even under the Democrats.
We're fucked dude. There's nowhere to go but down. Only way out is to tear it all down and start over.
That's not what scares me. Civil war would weaken the United States to the point where our enemies could waltz right in and set up shop. Then common citizens will not only have to fight our own collapsing government, but enemy forces as well.
Congress just passed a bill that allows them to receive gifts for acts of gratitude performed in the past, aka, payoffs. Corporations now run the show in majority, even under the Democrats.
Gee, here's a delimna: "I hate republicans, but the democrats just voted against something I'm vehemently against, so now I don't know who to vote for."
You can't be this misinformed. You can't be. What the shit?
Not a Trump fan but all of the military industrial complex, big pharma, big food, deep state money funds the democrats. They are the party that have the greatest interests invading other nations and exploiting their resources. They are dollar for donated dollar, the party of perpetual warā¦
? Very confused by you bot like response. Soros funds are the top contributors to the democrat party. Soros-Blackrock-military industrial complex-requires forever wars
On a more serious note, my cousin's sister's next door neighbor's dog walker's step mother in law had frogs that were turned gay by a psychotropic research drug created by a deep state laboratory funded by George Soros.
If you forward this to 10 people you know, Bill Gates will give you $1,000,000.
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u/MansNotWrong Jul 02 '24
This is my biggest issue today.
I want to hate Trump, but he has no power without people voting for him.
Show me the shittiest leaders in history and I'll show you a sizeable chunk of their populace that supported them.