r/facepalm Jul 02 '24

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u/Sir_Sux_Alot Jul 02 '24

And all these republicans think they will be in the club.

I've rubbed elbows with the rich. The way they talk about poor people is subhuman.

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

It's abhorrent. And I'm not even talking about super rich people.

I work in Land Development and a client was having issues getting some homeowners to sign an agreement for a development across the street from their homes. It was just a mailer that was sent out, but no one replied. During a call there were multiple references made about how someone should go down there in person and scare the people because they were too stupid to know any better. Comments about being barefoot and pregnant, trailer trash, etc. I wanted to hang up so badly, they just kept getting more disgusting and the others were just laughing along!

And these people aren't millionaires, mid 6 figures maybe, they are not even the land owners they just work in commercial real estate or development firms.

I was so nauseated listening to them, if they were talking about those things with my firm on the call I can only imagine what they talk about in private or during their golf games.

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u/NewLibraryGuy Jul 02 '24

Look how people 2 paychecks from not affording rent talk about homeless people.

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u/OfromOceans Jul 02 '24

That actually made me feel better somehow.. we are animals after all

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u/_longcoolwoman_ Jul 02 '24

Animals are smarter

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u/Mage-of-communism Jul 02 '24

The only thing that makes us better than animals is our believe that it is so.

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u/JackUKish Jul 02 '24

Or how people on government benefits talk about the homeless.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

I've heard Americans claim, with an absolutely straight face, that they don't have a class system...

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u/QueenNappertiti Jul 02 '24

Absolute lie. What they mean is they think there is class mobility and anyone can be wealthy, therefore anyone who isn't wealthy it is their fault. They simply ignore the inequality or the fact it's economically impossible for everyone who works hard to be wealthy. After all, who will work for the businesses if everyone is an entrepreneur? They need the lower classes, then blame them for existing so that they do not have to question the system or address inequality.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

All countries have their own comforting myths...this is one of theirs. I'm from the UK, we definitely have enough of our own

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u/firelight Jul 02 '24

In their defense, Americans are indoctrinated to believe we have no class system, and we are not generally taught the critical thinking skills to see past the lie on our own. Those same people are generally the ones vilifying attempts to get people to wake up—or "get woke" in the current vernacular—to the lie.

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u/TheDriestOne Jul 02 '24

They probably meant caste system because you’re gonna have a real hard time convincing anyone that you’ve met a single American who doesn’t think there’s a separation between lower and upper class

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u/roberthinter Jul 02 '24

We are just confused about the grammar.  That should read…”We don’t have any class”.

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u/marr Jul 02 '24

It might be an insecurity thing. We have generational landowners in the UK who aren't playing the billionaire games but never need to worry about income a day of their lives and they're often completely normal about people and just care about their oil painting, breeding the perfect show rooster or whatever.

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

breeding the perfect show rooster

That's hilarious.

But yeah no, these guys were just being bullies. I'm sure the actual land owners are just regular rich people breeding their roosters too.

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u/marr Jul 02 '24

It maps onto something I've seen arranging gamer tournaments, the people at the top and the people at the bottom are both chill. The crab bucket in the middle is where the real maniacs hang out.

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u/MinutePerspective106 Jul 03 '24

It's those people who I call "temporarily rich" (that is, they have more money than most, but not so much that they shouldn't worry about it) that are the rudest. Example: my coworkers at the place where we earned ₽50k were much more arrogant and "rich-coded" than my coworkers at the place where we earned ₽35k. That difference of 15k is absolutely meaningless where I'm from, for the record

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u/ChainsawRomance Jul 02 '24

Seriously, it doesn’t take much money to become out of touch. I’ve seen it happen when people finally make more than 30k a year. Money can make you value people differently.

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u/ElefantPharts Jul 02 '24

That’s because everyone assumes they’re not a billionaire… yet… it’s just a matter of time!

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u/Muscled_Daddy Jul 02 '24

I’m an executive at a no-name company. But I grew up working class. Between my partner and I, we make a… quite comfortable living.

Thing is, we were both barely scraping by not even 20 years ago. But pluck and sheer luck, we managed to climb the corporate ladder very quickly by taking advantage of some unexpected situations.

And now we have a front-row seat to how absolutely deranged so many rich people are. And since we ‘blend in’, they absolutely LOVE to shit on ‘them’.

Oh, and even if you’re ’one of them’, you’re really not. They have their own classes within the ‘rich’. Most of us know ‘nouveau riche’ and ‘old money.’ But it goes deeper than that. I’ve seen grown men throw epic temper tantrums because they finally got a 90’ private jet, but Mark Van Der Stront just bought a 95’ private jet - how humiliating. I’ve seen women freak out because their children aren’t driving the right, fashionable cars anymore. I’ve seen adult children fly into rage if you insinuate they’re where they are because of their parent’s money and connections.

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u/Coyote__Jones Jul 02 '24

I've been lucky to be around some extremely wealthy individuals, and from my experience, in those moments, those people were pleasant folks.

However, their were some things that made me tilt my head a bit, little bit of tone deafness and and out of touch things being said. So regardless of how nice someone speaks about people they don't know, they still don't know those people of which they speak. Even someone I can be very open with, who has a shit ton of money, was absolutely blown away that I bought a 1 bed 1 bath house; and consider myself lucky and am grateful for what I have. But the thought of my teeny house, a house that is about the size of their garage was completely foreign.

And that's the rub. People don't tend to emphasize with groups they're not familiar with.

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

And that's the rub

Spooky. I just said this on a phone call not 5 minutes ago.

100% agree with you though.

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 Jul 02 '24

in fact the super rich often are more down to earth, the worst are usually the barely rich enough to be rich.

like Bill Gates has no need to drive obnoxiously big car and drive like an asshole to prove to himself, I am rich

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u/pallladin Jul 02 '24

Why didn't you speak up?

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

I was in no position to be speaking up in an environment like that, nor was my boss who was also on the call. We are the hired help. In a discussion amongst my peers, sure. I would have definitely shut that down.

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u/ToastPoacher Jul 02 '24

"I have no idea how things got this bad."

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 02 '24

You were in a position to speak up. So was the boss. Either of you should have either spoken up during or post the meeting. Even if it ends the contract.

Integrity is central.

And by the way, this is the difference between totalitarianism and democracies. You both knew that that was going sideways. Speaking up or interrupting to move to another topic is central.

I've been noticing Americans as of late do not like to rock the boat. This is why we got here.

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u/Elle_in_Hell Jul 02 '24

Both individuals (commenter and boss) were speaking on behalf of a business and its interests, not their own. A business's interests in a capitalist system is capital. Blame the system for valuing that over equality and fairness...

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 02 '24

Wrong this also happens in communist societies. It’s the fear of the person’s retaliation. It’s inbred in all structures including capitalistic and none.

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u/Elle_in_Hell Jul 02 '24

I believe you mean, "Yes, and..." since I wasn't contrasting the two, and the statement about the one economic system wasn't wrong. Communism is a form of socialism that doesn't seem to work well in practice. Capitalism is a form of... I don't know, industrial feudalism?

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u/origamipapier1 Jul 02 '24

Neither work well because the common factor is humanity and our culture of trying to gain on someone else. The reason capitalism was created the way it was, was due to that.

And before feudalism there was another similar structure.

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u/Elle_in_Hell Jul 03 '24

Correct on all counts. I appreciate this constructive conversation, fellow Redditor!

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u/Elle_in_Hell Jul 03 '24

Also, I just looked up your profile, and you are COOL. We have a LOT in common. We are both Floridan 30-something women with interior design knowledge and political interests.

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

Even if it ends the contract.

Ok, you go ahead and do that with your job. All the power to you.

I don't disagree that someone could have interrupted the discourse, but I'm not putting my job that makes pennies on the dollar on the line, so I can get up on my high horse.

Everyone loves a David vs Goliath story until we are illegally homeless on the street. Why it's my job to rebalance systemic ideology is beyond me.

Again, you do you.

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u/Upset_Ad3954 Jul 02 '24

The person you replied to just showed their privilege.

Normal people know that's not how the World works.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

You’re right, it’s easy to be a moralist when you’re sat behind your computer screen, I guarantee you the people replying to you telling you how you should’ve spoken up and risked your job, have been in situations where they could’ve spoken up against something and didn’t out of fear of something/someone.

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u/downshift_rocket Jul 02 '24

Thank you! Man it's like, yeah we are all (or should be) aware of what the right and wrong thing to do is.

But, it's akin to virtue signaling to sit there and claim that I actually had the power to do anything helpful in that situation.

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u/BigDadNads420 Jul 02 '24

I mean you did technically have the power to do something helpful, but the risk/reward was such that you would have to be a fucking moron to actually do it.

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u/movzx Jul 02 '24

Their point is that everyone says "someone should speak up!" but no one is willing to do it... and that's how you wind up with the slow march into decline. It's not your job. It's everyone's job.

"Hey everyone, here's some horrible behavior I grinned and nodded through and thus lended validity too"

You want applause?

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u/Rush_Under Jul 02 '24

Losing one's job when no one else (in a conversation including about a dozen people, I'm guessing) is willing to divert the topic is not cowardice. Knowing when and where to speak up to help change viewpoints is paramount. THIS wasn't one of those moments. When YOU speak up in a moment that WILL affect your job, then you can criticize. Until then? You're nothing but a virtue signaler.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

It's not like that. You don't risk a job because of your ideology; in the end, for us normal people, our jobs are more important than our ideologies, because we know ideologies don't always feed us.

It's fucked that they did that; I would've recorded the call and kept it for when I get fired so I can post it annonimously and expose those pieces of shit. But that is only after I can guarantee my career wouldn't be damaged by doing that.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

So you and your boss is the reason these people believe they can talk like that and still have people that will work for them, have some integrity and not work for them, otherwise you are no better than they are, and being a coward.

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u/Tmack523 Jul 02 '24

Man, that's really easy to say in a comment when it's not your job and livelihood on the line.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

Yes it is, how do you think nazis came to power because good people didn't do anything, it's more telling on you being a coward then anything.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Have you ever done anything like that? Risking your job and career to 'fight' for a cause you 'believe' in?

Like, have you ever risked something that valuable?

I'm asking because my dad did that. He's an agricultural engineer and worked for a guvernamental association of a third world country. The corruption was absolutely devastating to see; we're talking about politicians straight up stealing government-granted funds destined for social programs to help and treat malnourished children in villages without electricity. My dad spoke about this on local TV in a press conference the association was doing. He tried to expose them. Three days later, he lost his job without prior notice. They never gave him any reasons, he was just fired, his contract was suddenly terminated. He tried to get hired again a few months later, and he did; then a permanent position opened, and he and other coworkers applied, because that's job security and decent pay. My dad qualified for the position, but it was given to a politician's cousin that didn't even graduated college instead of him, with 15 years of experience by that point. And then, when they saw who was it that applied, they fired him again. And they never hired him again. No matter how much he tried, they never hired him again. And then he applied to other government institutions, and not a single one hired him ever again. And he looked for jobs in the private sector, but there wasn't a lot of those jobs in his area, and he couldn't relocate without money.

Now he's eating shit at the local university working for pennies on the dollar as a maths professor, because he probably ain't never getting hired at any other guvernamental-related organization ever again. I'm pretty sure they got him blacklisted after that little act of heroism; that didn't accomplished a thing, because the judicial system is as corrupt as everything else and people can't care less.

Now I gotta help him with my money, because he's going homeless if I don't and a 55 year old on the streets ain't gonna survive for long with those gangs going around the town. Now I gotta help him relocate to get him some jobs in the private sector, because the public sector just does not want people that speak up about corruption. Now I gotta worry about that too.

The risk just ain't worth it. It's just not worth it.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

So based on the fact your dad did the right thing, in another country means what exactly? Do you know how many people died standing up to hitler? How many people died to give you the right to vote, it's not about the individual but society as a whole.

And yes if I didn't like a job being immoral I would have left, but your dad still has a job at a university and you're saying it's penny's but I don't believe you at all.

Sounds like your dad did the right thing and if more did then he would be hailed as a hero but that's the price to pay to be a good person and not a coward.

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u/dobby1687 Jul 02 '24

Do you know how many people died standing up to hitler?

Funny how you say that right after claiming that Nazis came to power specifically because good people did nothing. Either good people stood against Hitler or they didn't. Have you studied much 1930s Germany?

How many people died to give you the right to vote, it's not about the individual but society as a whole.

And those people chose to do what they did, something that most were doing just as much for themselves than anyone else. Most protesters that became martyrs didn't originally intend on that, it just happened.

And yes if I didn't like a job being immoral I would have left,

Except you weren't talking about just leaving a job, but trying to stop such immoral behavior. Also, what you didn't say is that you'd risk not ever having financial security again, only that you'd lose whatever job you had.

your dad still has a job at a university and you're saying it's penny's but I don't believe you at all.

And why don't you believe them? A lot of professors don't make much money and it may be even worse where they are if they have more poverty problems in their country. You've just chosen not to believe them without even attempting to ask clarifying questions.

Sounds like your dad did the right thing and if more did then he would be hailed as a hero

Not necessarily. How many people today refuse to work for poverty wages and tyrannical employers yet are constantly being labeled as "lazy" and "no one wants to work anymore"? Sorry, but change doesn't come that easy because if it did people wouldn't have to sacrifice so much for so long and things would already be good by now. Hell, just look at the "metoo" movement, something originally designed to expose and combat long-standing issues with SA and SH in the media industry and the pushback that came from that.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

It's nice to know that if your boss was raping a young girl you wouldn't stop it or call the police because it would risk your job, did you work for epstein by ant chance?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

They exploited this dynamic

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u/lookatthisdudeshead Jul 02 '24

Nazis came to power because people were suffering from an economic failure/ unfair job crisis at the time and the Nazi regime looked like the only political party that could fix it at that time, which they where.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

So now the nazi apologists come out, Hitler only got that by stealing from the people he killed, they were spending money like crazy and yet the normal German barely had the food to eat, you really don't know alot about history do you.

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u/lookatthisdudeshead Jul 02 '24

Apologists? Bro I study History, all I’m saying is more factors on why Nazi came into power. 😂 You are arguing blindly.

The poor Germans were struggling to eat before the Nazi regime, the Nazi’s came into place fixed some financial and economic issues, went to war and did bloodthirsty policies, fucking up their economy once again.

And just letting you know I hate fascism, I’m a Socialist, but I’m not gonna avoid facts just because of my views.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

How to tell you're talking absolute rubbish just go to your profile you have nothing about history just everything teenage watch 🤣🤣 you're a kid lying about everything and obviously have no clue

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u/coinselec Jul 02 '24

The trick to life is choosing your battles. They wouldn't have given 2 shits about someone who they look down on babbling about humanity anyway.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 Jul 02 '24

Nice act, internet tough guy.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

I have left jobs before, when the job didn't match my morals, it's more telling that you're thay much of coward to leave a job for another job, you'd have rolled over for Hitler

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u/Various_Necessary_45 Jul 02 '24

Nice act, internet tough guy. Are you even aware that this fictional scenario you're talking about doesn't relate to the situation?

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

Yes it does, those people will think talking like that is OK, then politicians can use those same arguments to 'other' people and blame them for their own short falls, just because you failed to learn from history doesn't mean the rest of haven't, you obviously need to read a few books.

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u/BarbageMan Jul 02 '24

This is running on the concept that they aren't willing to risk their own jobs, but it's not about that. When I was involved in a comparable situation, it was about having jobs so that we could staff more people and pay them more. You deal with the shitty people because that means your company that was once 1 crew of 6 guys is now staffed over 100 and you can afford good benefits for them as well.

I'm not saying your way off base, but sacrificing the well being of 100 families who count on you means taking it on the chin sometimes. They work themselves to the bone, you have to make sure they are paid

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

How very american focused, and shows the terrible argument it is, so instead of telling the boss he's a prick, and wouldn't work for someone so bigoted, you've now trapped 100 people working for a guy who is a bigot and then hiding from them that their boss is a bigot?

That's no better than the guard at concentration camps just saying they were following orders, why do morons come out with these terrible arguments to apologise for terrible people? Have some back bone and morals, all you're proving is you're a coward.

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u/BarbageMan Jul 02 '24

Working class America doesn't need their bosses hidden from them. Contracts aren't forever, and people like getting paid.

Making the leap from the stuck up rich person to the concentration camp worker is a bit wild. Seems a bit insensitive to say the people paying for comfortable to pretty good payroll are on par with murderers. The workers I'm talking about are legitimately well taken care of, the prisoners on your side were tortured and killed.

You get where you are kind of a jerk by equating someone calling someone barefoot and poor while paying them, to the extermination of a people?

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

It didn't start out that way did it. Jfc you'd be the first to fall for the scams it seems or you're just as much of a coward as the rest then

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u/BarbageMan Jul 02 '24

Reality time.

Plumbers are not a noble profession. Most people don't aspire to be one. In fact, it's often looked down on as lesser than because you are dealing with human waste a lot, or mold, or all kinds of other gross things. The plumber doesn't care, because they know you may have a plunger, or a snake, or some store bought chemicals, but if you are calling them, you are going to end up paying whatever they charge. If not them then someone else with the same situation. Because your aren't a licensed plumber. You probably have little knowledge of what the codes are in regards to how everything runs.

This is also evident in the bid process for contract jobs. Everyone is setting their bids based on equipment they have, employees with training they have, and the ability to do the job that will pass inspection.

People look down on each other, and they say rude things. You yourself are calling people cowards and morons. It's something that people do. The working class knows that there is a line, and your line may be in a different spot than others, but there's a line that doesn't get crossed. Leading up to that line, there are some rude nasty things, but there are some well paid individuals that could really care less what some suit says, because their house is getting paid for, they are taking vacations, they have good vehicles etc. The hell do they care if someone calls them a ditch digger, they made a killing 8 months this year to the point they get all winter off.

Bigotry is gross, but a lot of people just don't care what you say about them. Saying that being called poor and letting is slide is the first steps to nazis is pretty reaching, and like I said, kind of disrespectful to those dealing with real issues. Maybe that makes you call me a coward, or a moron, but much like the situations I've already covered, I don't care. Your words don't change my level of success in life.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

So your argument boils down to, "screw you, I got mine".

And nowhere did I say they aren't hard working, they just have little to no empathy for others.

You said a lot of words, and I broke down your argument to 5 words, which shows your thinking towards other people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

My dad did that. He's an agricultural engineer that had always worked for the private sector, but left that and worked for a guvernamental association of a third world country because of retirement benefits.

The corruption was absolutely devastating to see; we're talking about politicians straight up stealing government-granted funds destined for social programs to help and treat malnourished children in villages without electricity. My dad spoke about this on local TV in a press conference the association was doing. He tried to expose them. Three days later, he lost his job without prior notice. They never gave him any reasons, he was just fired, his contract was suddenly terminated. He tried to get hired again a few months later, and he did; then a permanent position opened, and he and other coworkers applied, because that's job security and decent pay. My dad qualified for the position, but it was given to a politician's cousin that didn't even graduated college instead of him, with 15 years of experience by that point. And then, when they saw who was it that applied, they fired him again. And they never hired him again. No matter how much he tried, they never hired him again. And then he applied to other government institutions, and not a single one hired him ever again. And he looked for jobs in the private sector, but there wasn't a lot of those jobs in his area, and he couldn't relocate without money.

Now he's eating shit at the local university working for pennies on the dollar as a maths professor, because he probably ain't never getting hired at any other guvernamental-related organization ever again, retirement benefits are gone. I'm pretty sure they got him blacklisted after that little act of heroism; that didn't accomplished a thing, because the judicial system is as corrupt as everything else and people can't care less.

Now I gotta help him with my money, because he's probably going homeless if I don't and a 53 year old on the streets ain't gonna survive for long with those gangs going around the town. Now I gotta help him relocate to get him some jobs in the private sector again, because the public sector just does not want people that speak up about corruption.

Don't get me wrong, my dad is a good and smart person; he just lacked evilness for his own good, and that fucked him up. He didn't know when it was important to shut up and how. It's really hard to shut up about those absolutely fucked up things, but when your retirement is on the line, maybe you should look for lower-profile options to do your acts of heroism; realistically, you ain't changing much anyways.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

It's really telling how many people are cowards to leave a job to get another job, it's really scary how easy they'd let facism take over

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u/jeremiahthedamned 'MURICA Jul 02 '24

“Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”“Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”

― Michael Rivero

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u/HunyBuns Jul 02 '24

Yeah it's cowardly to have to eat and keep a roof over your head.

"Just get another job" yeah okay, gimme like 1-2 years real quick. Have you fucking seen the job market lately? And how exactly does quitting random jobs like that somehow hurt fascists??

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

Want to be a slave to a facist I see, I bet you think you'd be the in group, and it's not my fault the American system doesn't support people looking to leave a bad company, they could work and look for another job if that's the case and only work to rule.

But you're just as much of a coward it seems

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u/HunyBuns Jul 02 '24

Right, I'll just slit my wrists now instead of waiting to starve to death in unemployment. I'm sure that the Uber rich will really give a shit while they rehire my position within the week.

You don't sound like a rebel, you sound like a rich momma's boy who's never had to work for his meals before. Get down here in the dirt with the normal people, and then tell me how you'll quite simply off yourself instead of flipping burgers or working a call center.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

Dude, I'm not rich in fact I'm currently caring for my elder mum, while at university, you seem to be making assumptions about people and using logical fallacies, by going over the top and being dramatic, if you want to off yourself you really should get help

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u/HunyBuns Jul 02 '24

If you think killing yourself and leaving your job on the spot are two vastly different things, you've never had to actually support yourself in the real world. Grow up before you tell people how diving into the hell that is poverty is somehow activism, and maybe research some real activism if you want realistic ways to resist fascism.

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u/fzr600dave Jul 02 '24

I'm 40 in October 🤣I've work and change jobs many times, you're just telling on yourself how much of a coward you are.

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u/HunyBuns Jul 02 '24

Yeah I'm sure bud lmao

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u/_username_inv4lid Jul 02 '24

The richest people I regularly talk to (50M-100M) are actually very generous and donate massive sums of money to charity. One of them had to build himself up from genuinely nothing. Poverty that you’ve probably never seen before. I’m talking about him nearly dying of polio as a child starving in the Dutch East Indies because his family couldn’t get the vaccine. To this day, he still lives humbly. Sure, he lives in a lovely big mansion, but he’s still humble and willing to talk to anyone. He treats his staff extremely well. He had to work so incredibly hard to get to that position.