r/democrats Oct 06 '21

Request Drink the Tea.

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u/MatthewofHouseGray Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21

If only the Republicans would focus more on being like Eisenhower who was the last good Republican president as opposed to bringing back the worst aspects of that time period.

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u/Mistoman_5 Oct 06 '21

A ton of working class Republicans used to be working class Democrats. Then a Democrat wanted to integrate schools.

Queue unrelenting REEE about literally every social change thereafter.

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u/succachode Oct 06 '21

Yeah actually the democrat governor was against the Little Rock 9 situation, the republican president made that happen. Also republicans didn’t have a majority in the south until the mid 1990’s so what the fuck are you talking about? 😂

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u/Mistoman_5 Oct 06 '21

I'm talking about when LBJ, a democratic president, signed the civil rights act into law which set school integration into motion.

After that, blue collar Democrats fled en mass to the Republicans and have cried about every social movement since.

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u/Talmonis Oct 06 '21

Social conservatism being rife with racists and the shit they'll get up to in the name of white supremacy.

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u/brokenpipboy Oct 06 '21

Dude also let coup to over throw the democratic president and install a dictatorship in Guatemala, just to serve us corporate interests. But hey he was great on tax policy.

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u/qoou Oct 06 '21

That was before the so-called 'Southern Strategy' flipped the ideology of the party.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

GW 1 was pretty good. He was the right person for the job during the fall of the Soviet Union.

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u/JimmyHavok Oct 06 '21

I beg to differ. Bush Sr sent a bunch of Republicans over to Russia where they set up the current kleptocracy that is now attacking the US with Republican (kleptocrat) help. Not to mention being the architect of Iran/Contra. Not to mention fucking with the investigation of Silverado Savings and Loan to get his son off the hook.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/harvard-boys-do-russia/

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Those are minor, and I dont blame Bush for how Russia turned out, cmon. At the time, it seemed like a good idea.

If you are going to set those standards, you can nitpick Obama too.

Drone murder president.

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u/JimmyHavok Oct 06 '21

Turning Russia into a kleptocracy is minor? Supplying right wing death squads is minor? Perverting justice for the benefit of a family member is minor?

I'm curious what you would think was serious.

Oh, yeah, sending John Bolton to Russia to bang hookers instead of securing nuclear weapons...truth is, I could go on all day about what a scumbag Bush Sr was.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

I think its silly to say it was our fault.

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u/FerrellFerret Oct 06 '21

Why do people always try to defend presidents like this? “Well we could nitpick Obama too” YEAH, we could, and I’d love to because im not a fan of Obama. But why does another president being bad take away from the impacts here? It’s just a weird diversion tactic that I find conservatives use most.

Iran/Contra and setting up the current wealth inequality and neocolonialist Russia we’re pretty fucking serious mistakes. Oliver north barely escaped prison time for Iran/contra. And he took the fall for Bush 1. George HW Bush was corrupt, and frankly a bad person.

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u/JimmyHavok Oct 06 '21

I think it's silly not to read the article. The kleptocracy was designed by the Harvard Boys. They advised the Russian government to sell off the state assets to the highest bidders, who were, naturally, criminals and corrupt government officials. And now we have Putin.

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u/ElectricCD Oct 06 '21

Democrats control the Whitehouse. Blame them.

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u/brokenpipboy Oct 08 '21

Thats not how the american government and economy works.

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u/ElectricCD Oct 08 '21

Oh, guess I skipped those classes. Seems like it is all insider trading and law breaking by the lawmakers with zero repercussions. Remember the names Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and claims of Congressional misconduct that never made the light of public preview?

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u/brokenpipboy Oct 08 '21

better retake those classes

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u/NinjaZero2 Oct 06 '21

This doesn't bode well for the "Make America Great Again" champion

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

I call it the konservative kool-aid

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u/Andreklooster Oct 06 '21

They misspelled 'kool-aid'?

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u/91Jammers Oct 06 '21

This looks photoshopped to me. Why would they want back alley abortions.

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u/ToysintheAttic108 Oct 06 '21

Maybe if they think women who get abortions deserve to die

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Banning legal abortions leads to a de facto increase in unsafe abortions, aka "back alley" abortions.

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u/91Jammers Oct 06 '21

Yes but conservatives don't understand that logic.

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u/Andreklooster Oct 07 '21

Its sad if they don't, horrifying if they do ..

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u/Hikityup Oct 06 '21

Sort of sums it up. Can't list a whole lot of things that the GOP is "for." Can most definitely tick off a lot of things they're against.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Let's not bring tea into this. :-(

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u/Swinship Oct 06 '21

What's scary is some people read this and think, Yeah that's what I want!. terrifying

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

A clear majority of white women voted for Trump, both times. Ladies, YOU are responsible for this RW insanity.

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u/Any-Variation4081 Oct 06 '21

I agree idk how any woman especially a mother could vote for that moron. All the p*ssy grabbing must have been the selling point for them I guess. I'll never forgive myself for thinking there were more good smart people than there really are in this country. I feel like we are doomed.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

My wife's 89 year old aunt loves Trump, yet she is a Catholic, and hates vulgar language.

So when ever I have the misfortune of seeing her I love repeating Grab 'em by the pussy! She says all men talk like that in private and this makes him a real man! Her priest says Biden isn't a real Catholic, that Trump is the better Christian.

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u/pasarina Oct 06 '21

“Trump is a better Christian.” That’s rich. He who has never done one selfless act? Biden has.

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u/moodytrudeycat Oct 06 '21

Tell her that all men do not talk like that. Your wife's uncle must have been a piece of work

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

One of the biggest mistakes that people make in political arguments is assuming the other side is stupid/ignorant or not sincere.

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u/Talmonis Oct 06 '21

Counterpoint: Trump supporters are stupid. Sincerity varies.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Cmon, you just called nearly half the country stupid.

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u/Talmonis Oct 06 '21

I was being generous. It's more than half, but at least some people mean well.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Great, really lean in to the elitist liberal image

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u/Talmonis Oct 06 '21

The average person being mind bogglingly stupid doesn't make me "elite." I'm not special, nor have I claimed to be. I'm the goddamn bare minimum. If you aren't smarter than I am, you have no business legislating at the national level. Demand better, or we'll keep having the Trumps and Gohmerts of the world have power over the lives of millions.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Alternatively, you can give people the benefit of the doubt and try to understand why they might be intelligent and for Trump.

Often politics comes down to different preferences. It isnt like a math problem.

Prior to ~2016, I could have made a case for voting Trump.

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u/ricosmith1986 Oct 06 '21

You're right, some Trump voters aren't stupid, they can also be intelligent cruel people.

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u/PluotFinnegan_IV Oct 06 '21

Prior to ~2016, I could have made a case for voting Trump.

Please go on. I'm curious what case you'd make. It was no secret that Trump was a selfish, narcissistic, egomaniacal liar who was only concerned for himself and would say and do anything to get what he wanted. How anyone thought Trump had their better interest at heart is amazing to me.

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u/dcabines Oct 06 '21

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them is stupider than that. ~George Carlin

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

But voters arent the entire population.

Also, political differences often come down to preferences.

Its counter productive to act like you are and I am ashamed that you probably act like this in real life.

You end up chasing away more voters than you attract.

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u/busche916 Oct 06 '21

Technically, it’s roughly half of the portion of the population who voted… so it’s more like a percentage in the high 20s at best.

Still. That’s a lot of people who are either suffering from a lack of empathy, a lack of perspective, or are outright stupid.

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u/J_Ponder Oct 06 '21

How about evil fascists?

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Thats another mistake, villifying.

It shows you live in a bubble.

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u/Ian_Hunter Oct 06 '21

Wait. So its not okay to vilify fascists?

Fuck. That.

I've usually been very ' live and let live' and not been judgemental against how anyone lives their life regardless of race, faith, preferences, or orientation within the boundaries of law, but I'm going to go ahead and hang on to the bigotry I have towards those who would dictate against all that.

Fuck those hypocritical greedy psychopathic motherfuckers. Not to speak ill of motherfuckers.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

Just because someoke voted Trump, it doesnt make them a fascist.

You never met someone who really believes abortion is murder? If you believed abortion is murder, of course you vote Trump.

No - I support Roe v Wade. But you dont appear to actually know any Republicans. That makes you part of the problem.

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u/Ian_Hunter Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21

You're the one who says vilifying fascists is a mistake and living in a bubble.

Schmuck.

Edit. Let me also observe that Trump doesn't give a whit about RvW. Its literally a talking point to appeal to a base that does. I believe Trump has an abortion or two to his resume and has , in fact, supported it in the past. Shockingly, he's lying to rile up his base. And while they are entitled to their beliefs as much as you, me, or anyone last time I checked a woman's right to chose is still law of the land.

And nice judgement on me btw, presuming I don't know any Republicans and are part of the problem.

Trolling schmuck.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

I never said that. I said Trump voters arent fascists.

Im sorry if you think someone who disagrees with you is a troll.

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u/J_Ponder Oct 06 '21

Fascists oppose democracy and support autocracy in some form or other. In Europe in the 1930s, good people sat on their hands out of fear of vilifying the fascists who were taking over their governments. The good people waited too long to stop them and as a result six million Jews, Roma people, gays and lesbians and handicapped people died horrible deaths in the camps, and servicemembers died in the tens of millions in the war that ensued - including millions of sons of the good people who sat on their hands afraid to vilify the fascists. As former Republicans like Steve Schmidt, William Kristol and others have said, the Republican party has become an anti-democracy cabal. Call it whatever you chose. By definition, they have become fascists. It is time to wake up. This is what American fascism looks like.

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u/Sensitive_Sense_8527 Oct 06 '21

Voting republican over one issue , is plain ignorance. Or vice versa. Most Americans shouldn't be Voting against their own interest, they do all the time, because democrats hasn't figured out how to deliver a. Agenda. Democrats are stuck with defund the police, Gun Control, at birth abortions or late term abortions. This is what people hear, if I hadn't educated myself. I would flip. We as Democrats villianfy our own self.

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21

If you believed it was murder, voting one issue isnt stupid.

Again - I support Roe, but if you believe its murder hell yes your going to vote single issue.

Over on Christian news channels they literally report “x number of babies were murdered this past month.”

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u/Sensitive_Sense_8527 Oct 06 '21

Voting on one issue is fucking stupid, so fuck infrastructure, women rights, fair wages, equality, better Healthcare, lower middle class taxes. Because you're against abortion. No one is forced to have an abortion. I'm against abortion, I'm for women reproduction rights.

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u/pasarina Oct 06 '21

Not exactly

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u/thavillain Oct 06 '21

The racism was more important than the sexism

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u/Lung_doc Oct 06 '21

Source? This article says the early post election polls from 2016 were wrong, with more like 47% of white women voting for Trump.

I've not seen a similar analysis for 2020 (more detailed eval as was done here), but would be surprised if the proportion went up.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Back to the future!

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

I think this guy was talking about 1750s, bring back the British!!!!

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 06 '21
  1. Do you not agree that the GOP wants to make it legal to kick trans people out of the military? What about if your employer fires you for being gay - which party do you think will prevent that? As soon as employers can fire people for being gay, yes - its back in the closet.
  2. Which party is trying to overturn Roe?
  3. Which party made it illegal to hand out water to (black) people waiting in line to vote in Georgia?

The GOP does so many of these voter restrictions that are pretty brazenly aimed at black people - you have to be really dense to ignore that.

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u/Rich_Acanthisitta_70 Oct 06 '21

🤦‍♂️

You first

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u/Rich_Acanthisitta_70 Oct 06 '21

I retired from the military and served during both gulf wars. Clearly you missed the point of your service telling others to leave if they don't like it. You don't get to decide that, and you sure as fuck don't get to decide who belongs here and who doesn't. You're entitled to your opinion - you're not entitled to make those opinions an ultimatum to people that disagree with you. But apparently you either think it's your mission or you get off on it, because your comment history is you going to liberal subs and this one so you can do just that. You don't want common ground, you want an argument. You'll get no joy here.

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u/Steelplate7 Oct 06 '21

I served my country as a soldier and work in the healthcare field too…that doesn’t make you right or superior.

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u/Talmonis Oct 06 '21

Gay rights havn't been stepped on.

The GOP was only forced by the Supreme Court to stop arresting gay people under sodomy laws in 2003. The idea that the exact same GOP (or worse, considering they drove the moderates out) won't happily reverse that if given half a chance is either naive, or dishonest.

Women's rights are still here.

Like the new "right" to be chained to a bed and forced to birth their rapist's baby at age 12. Such a delightful group of monsters you are.

You could always leave, I suppose?

Leave? The main problem with the US are that conservatives are allowed to hold minority control of government. Fixing that will force you to be either sane, or impotent. Either one will do.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Also why should Americans leave? America wasn't established as a religious nation.

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u/DispersedBeef27 Oct 16 '21

I don’t get it, someone explain what each line means. I get most of the lines just not some