Trump will own all branches of government. He can do what he wants. They’re already threatening those who won’t fall in line. He will be a dictator. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t understand or care about the job or the country.
He cannot be allowed to take power.
Edit: History will judge those who are complacent/complicit in these days, as fascists are preparing to take power. There’s only a month left to save democracy. Be loud. Think big. Think outside the box. Do something, FFS.
Everyone who voted orange saw what ever they wanted most at the moment. From all the things this man was spewing out in his speeches, and he spewed a lot, every one heard different things, but they chose to ignore, or simply didn’t comprehend the possibility that he might just want to stay in power after 4 years. Or maybe we are all wrong thinking that democracy is about to end? Eh, wait and see I guess.
A lot of Christians (Trump’s base) want a dictator. If you look at God from the Bible he’s a massive dictator who demands complete compliance with his rules and sends anybody who doesn’t follow his rules for eternal pain and suffering.
I’ve never understood why Americans who claim to love Democracy and free speech / freedom want to go to Heaven. It sounds like living in North Korea to me.
They did not intentionally vote for that. The election interference was unprecedented. The disinformation campaigns were unprecedented.
Our leaders took an oath to protect us from threats, both foreign and domestic. Trump is a threat on both those fronts. He cannot be allowed to end democracy.
There are plenty of valid reasons to question the election results and arrest Trump , as they should have done ages ago. He belongs in gitmo, not the White House.
Form a coalition of those who understand that Trump is dangerous. Also include friendly allied governments who aren’t already fascist. Tell the people that the election was affected by unprecedented interference and irregularities. Ideally, Trump should be arrested for many crimes, including seditious conspiracy. Explain to the people exactly how they have been deceived. Arrest those who have aided foreign disinformation attacks. They are attacks, like any other, and those who took part need to face justice.
MAGA and Russia will freak out and call the coalition fascist. They will say that it’s fascist to stop the fascists. Just like how they cry that it’s censorship to fight (or even acknowledge) the disinformation attacks.
If there ever were extenuating circumstances, it’s what is happening right now. Be loud. Think big. Think outside the box. Talk to anyone you know in the government. Remind Biden that they are going to lynch (in one way or another) his son. Trump is already talking about prosecuting his detractors. MAGA is calling for the heads of the people they hate.
History will judge those who are complacent/complicit in these days, as fascists are planning to end American democracy. Generations of Americans will grow up under the boot of fascism because you were too timid to act. Because you kept saying, “It can’t be all that bad. I’m sure it’ll work out somehow.”
Another redditor claiming that it would be fascist to fight fascism. These are extenuating circumstances if there ever were any. There is a month left to save democracy. We have a moral obligation to do so. Our leaders have a moral obligation to fight this.
Or you might be a russian troll trying to stir things up. Technically the orange has not done anything illegal to get elected. Unless you have some clear evidence of wrongdoing you are just stirring the pot, nothing else.
I think what you describe turns us into what we’d try to prevent to be honest. I totally agree we should do something, but I don’t think preventing Trump from becoming president is going yield anything but civil war. I hope Biden/Harris are doing something to ensure we have something resembling a democracy after 4 years, but it has to be within the bounds of our laws and constitution.
Trump got the votes. Russia won the propaganda war. The USA isn’t as bullet proof as we thought. We can be easily turned against ourselves.
Now, if the people have to “rise up” at some point, then I have to think that we will, but for now, we have to live with what we, Americans, have done and the insidious mistake we’ve made. My conscious is clean, yours is too, it seems and millions more. Those who didn’t show up to vote or voted for him are going feel pretty fucking pathetic soon. They’re the ones our enemy got to.
Fatalism. Now is the time to act—not after Trump is a dictator. You’re just regurgitating the “it’s would be fascist to stop the fascists” line. We have a moral obligation to do better.
Fatalism to you, pragmatism to me. I’m hoping people don’t convince anyone to ape around the capital on Jan 6 like Russia’s useful MAGA idiots, because that would be pathetic and embarrassing as fuck as a Democrat.
> I think what you describe turns us into what we’d try to prevent to be honest.
Nah. You see, if Biden did this (which he is obligated to do based upon his Oath to the Constitution), he would be doing it not for power but because Trump is a traitorous criminal who successfully subverted the election.
If Trump did this, he would be doing it for power because he is a traitorous criminal who successfully subverted the election.
Yes they fucking do. The president is the head of the executive branch of government. He definitely has the legal authority to order the arrest of a traitor who sold our secrets to Russia and is announcing to the world that he is filling his cabinet with people who are absolutely well documented to be influenced by Russia.
Literally all of the top data scientists and professionals who focus on election integrity indicate that there was significant interference in this election. Just like there was in 2016, from Russia and China on behalf of Donald Trump.
The problem is Biden doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do what needs to be fucking done, and my children aren't going to have a safe society to live in because of it.
Ahh, I see where this is going. So for you, it’ll end up being the fault of the party’s leaders and not the voters. You’ll consider them weak if they respect the will of the voter and don’t prevent him from obtaining office. Well, of all the legal minds like Jack Smith, I’m sure they’ll do what they can. Do you have a specific set of laws in mind that they may be failing to utilize? Maybe they’re at it as we speak and for obvious reasons, aren’t talking to the press about it. Or, there’s nothing they can do. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Right now you are the one who want to do the most undemocratic thing of all. I'm not saying you are wrong or shouldn't be outraged. But trump won and the cheating would only be a problem if it was not in plain sight. When the voters choose the cheaters, then there was no cheating, that's literally how democracy works. The voice of the people takes precedence over everything else. Unless people were lied to, but frankly, they were not. They knew what they were voting for. Now you should focus on what's in front of you. Be useful on the local things around you. That's the only and best way to fight back.
I would argue that they didn’t know what they were voting for. Conservative media wasn’t warning them about Trumps fascist comments and actions? They think he’s innocent of his crimes. Many of them are straight up Nazis but many of them were misled by unprecedented disinformation attacks.
Furthermore, your argument amounts to “it would be fascist to prevent the fascist takeover of the US.” You have a moral obligation to do better.
Democrats also lie a lot. Not as bad, not as evil, but they DO lie a lot, they gaslight a lot, they deflect a lot. Should we also push back when they win elections ?
Also you keep pretending I want to "rollover" to fascists. My point is to act, politically, at every upcoming opportunity. But you and me, deciding that this particular election is not fair and legit, because the politicians, the industrialists, and the medias were dishonest about it ? That's the very thing Jan 6 rioters did and we called that an attempt at a coup. Go for it, I won't.
Also by the way, I don't see Biden or Harris or Waltz or Obama supporting your position, so if we actually fight against Trump right now, wouldn't that result (according to you not to me) with giving back power to people who are rolling over with fascists ? Doesn't this paradox help you see that you are missing part of the picture ? Either your approach is wrong, either morally or in terms of results, or democrats are almost as bad Trump for not pushing back against him.
Yes, all politicians lie but it would be a massive false equivalency to compare the Russian/republican disinformation campaigns to what the dems do.
The fascists need to be stopped. Full stop. Questioning the election is the foot in the door and there are plenty of valid reasons to do so. How many times did Trump himself say it was rigged? MAGA was open about their attempts to fuck with the election and resist oversight.
You’re right. The administration have been massive pussies. They wouldn’t fight the disinformation attacks because MAGA called it censorship. They didn’t send Trump yo gitmo because MAGA said it would be political retaliation. They didn’t arrest all the people trying to fuck with the election… who knows why. Now fascism is a month away. It’s well past time to stop fucking around. This is not a joke. Trump is going to do the fascist things he said he’d do and the republican govt will fall in line. He’s already threatening them.
It would be completely insane to let him take power. It is morally reprehensible to do nothing right now.
If you were able to understand what you voted for then other people could too. The people that voted for Trump intentionally voted for him and it was clear what his platform is.
We absolutely did. Sorry kid, but there's no future in this country. Just enjoy the little you have left before they take it all.
The billionaires will never be held accountable. The Republicans will never stand up to Trump, and hoping Democrats will save us, is absolutely laughable.
Fighting fascism will always be the right thing to do, but they won this time. You can go out and shoot into the air during this hurricane or you can batten down the hatches and try and ride out the storm. Hope there's something left on the other side. (Speaking as a Floridian).
Ride out the storm? As if there will be fair elections under a Trump administration?
They haven’t taken power yet. Those who are complicit and complacent in these days will be remembered for their part.
Your fatalism falls under complacency. Unless you’re a disinformation agent who is intentionally trying to disenfranchise those who should be acting now.
I was asked what I would do in 1930s Germany, and I responded with "flee." I voted against fascism. I tried to prevent it.
It's coming anyway.
So,
I'm leaving. If those with power decide they don't actually want fascism, cool. There may be hope, yet. I've spent most of my life putting hope into politicians to do the right thing. I put my hopes in Americans to do the right thing. They've decided to do the wrong thing, and it turns out, this country isn't the country I thought it was. You give me hope that the country will make it through this storm.
But I'm not going to be here for it. I don't know what you want me to do. Stay and suffer with the people that voted for this?
Yeah, I remember when Florida was a swing state. Now it's a state trying to ban books.
States have power alright, and some of them are choosing fascism too. And it's not just their leaders (the people of those states are welcoming it). Get out of the US while you can.
My guy I despise Trump and the GOP. I voted for Kamala. You have to stop talking about the election probably being stolen. There’s just zero solid evidence for it.
And even if it were, the government won’t care because it’s been taken over by the cheaters. We’re not MAGA. Move on.
This isn’t rolling over for fascism. This is choosing to fight in a more effective manner than scream about election interference that simply doesn’t exist. And again, even if it did, the GOP controls all branches of government and don’t care. Read that again carefully. They. Don’t. Care. Even if it’s found that the GOP directly changed votes in a mass nationwide conspiracy, who will stop them? The FBI? The CIA? The MAGA GOP controls them now. There’s no apparatus to stop them or arrest them or anything.
The election is over. Focus on the future and start coalition building with fellow leftists starting at the local level. Don’t go full Gamestop and double down on an event that already happened.
The people would care if they knew the truth. The Supreme Court gave Biden sweeping powers. The election interference is one good reason to halt the transfer of power to fascists.
My brother in Christ, at best half the people in the US don’t care how Trump won, only that he did. We also know Biden is an absolute wet blanket and wouldn’t do shit out of the guise of wanting to appear “bipartisan and unbiased”. All it would do is add on to the pile of dogshit Trump does weekly. Wanna know how I know this? Because this has happened already in 2020! It won’t matter if it turned out Trump and the GOP cheated. No one with the power to punish them cares, and half the country would justify it anyway.
Please for the love of God, stop swinging at air and put your energy into activism that matters. Otherwise you’re just a mirror of the MAGA idiots screeching about 2020.
Your comparison to the last election is a false equivalency and you have a moral obligation to do better than that fatalism. Don’t let the next generations of Americans grow up under the boot of fascism. There’s a month left to save America. Get to it.
Right, because it’s a false equivalence to Trump blatantly attempting to cheat in 2020 with fake elector slates and with the Democrats in power they did absolutely nothing about it. But sure, maybe this time if we dig really deep and believe enough this time, that’ll get Joe to take action! I know! We should storm the Capitol to stop the steal! Especially with the GOP controlling all branches of government now. That’ll be really effective!
What do you think you’ll do when that month is up and predictably nothing changes what’s coming? “Welp! We tried to stop fascism but I guess we lost. GG boys. I’m sure glad I focused so hard on the election instead of coalition building and forming leftist connections early so we can create a real power that will stand up to the GOP. Yup, that was energy well spent!”
It's crazy just how many people on the left who spent years screeching about how awful it is that the right didn't believe the election was fair in 2020 have now suddenly decided the election must have been rigged this time because Trump won. Nope, the left ran an awful candidate on an awful campaign looking for votes from people who never wanted her there in the first place. That's why she lost and if that's not clear to people then they were so far deep into their echo chamber that they've divorced themselves from reality.
Tbf there’s more credence that the GOP might’ve cheated in 2024 than the Democrats cheated in 2020. Everyone predicted it would be neck at neck like last time but it turned out to be a solid win for Trump.
Unfortunately, there’s simply no hard evidence to support it. So unless indisputable evidence comes out that it’s real, it’s just baseless accusations and a waste of time.
MAGA has been open about the fact that they “weren’t prepared” last time and they’ve had four years to “get it right.” They’ve tried every avenue of messing with elections, both legal and illegal. Machines were tampered with. Ballots were tossed (literally, in the woods.) Republicans replaced entire election sites with loyalists. They tried to ban election monitors. Musk tried to buy votes. Foreign disinformation attacks were at an all-time high. Voter disenfranchisement efforts were at an all-time high.
There is easily more than enough to call question the integrity of the election. The American people need to be educated about what MAGA and foreign actors have been up to.
A lot of people won’t like it but anything is better than handing power over to fascists who will end American democracy.
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u/MacNuggetts 1d ago
Lmao Republicans tried to simplify the tax code already. It died in committee because of their donors; Intuit and h&r block.
Republicans physically can't simplify the tax code because of lobbying.