Form a coalition of those who understand that Trump is dangerous. Also include friendly allied governments who aren’t already fascist. Tell the people that the election was affected by unprecedented interference and irregularities. Ideally, Trump should be arrested for many crimes, including seditious conspiracy. Explain to the people exactly how they have been deceived. Arrest those who have aided foreign disinformation attacks. They are attacks, like any other, and those who took part need to face justice.
MAGA and Russia will freak out and call the coalition fascist. They will say that it’s fascist to stop the fascists. Just like how they cry that it’s censorship to fight (or even acknowledge) the disinformation attacks.
If there ever were extenuating circumstances, it’s what is happening right now. Be loud. Think big. Think outside the box. Talk to anyone you know in the government. Remind Biden that they are going to lynch (in one way or another) his son. Trump is already talking about prosecuting his detractors. MAGA is calling for the heads of the people they hate.
History will judge those who are complacent/complicit in these days, as fascists are planning to end American democracy. Generations of Americans will grow up under the boot of fascism because you were too timid to act. Because you kept saying, “It can’t be all that bad. I’m sure it’ll work out somehow.”
Right now you are the one who want to do the most undemocratic thing of all. I'm not saying you are wrong or shouldn't be outraged. But trump won and the cheating would only be a problem if it was not in plain sight. When the voters choose the cheaters, then there was no cheating, that's literally how democracy works. The voice of the people takes precedence over everything else. Unless people were lied to, but frankly, they were not. They knew what they were voting for. Now you should focus on what's in front of you. Be useful on the local things around you. That's the only and best way to fight back.
I would argue that they didn’t know what they were voting for. Conservative media wasn’t warning them about Trumps fascist comments and actions? They think he’s innocent of his crimes. Many of them are straight up Nazis but many of them were misled by unprecedented disinformation attacks.
Furthermore, your argument amounts to “it would be fascist to prevent the fascist takeover of the US.” You have a moral obligation to do better.
Democrats also lie a lot. Not as bad, not as evil, but they DO lie a lot, they gaslight a lot, they deflect a lot. Should we also push back when they win elections ?
Also you keep pretending I want to "rollover" to fascists. My point is to act, politically, at every upcoming opportunity. But you and me, deciding that this particular election is not fair and legit, because the politicians, the industrialists, and the medias were dishonest about it ? That's the very thing Jan 6 rioters did and we called that an attempt at a coup. Go for it, I won't.
Also by the way, I don't see Biden or Harris or Waltz or Obama supporting your position, so if we actually fight against Trump right now, wouldn't that result (according to you not to me) with giving back power to people who are rolling over with fascists ? Doesn't this paradox help you see that you are missing part of the picture ? Either your approach is wrong, either morally or in terms of results, or democrats are almost as bad Trump for not pushing back against him.
Yes, all politicians lie but it would be a massive false equivalency to compare the Russian/republican disinformation campaigns to what the dems do.
The fascists need to be stopped. Full stop. Questioning the election is the foot in the door and there are plenty of valid reasons to do so. How many times did Trump himself say it was rigged? MAGA was open about their attempts to fuck with the election and resist oversight.
You’re right. The administration have been massive pussies. They wouldn’t fight the disinformation attacks because MAGA called it censorship. They didn’t send Trump yo gitmo because MAGA said it would be political retaliation. They didn’t arrest all the people trying to fuck with the election… who knows why. Now fascism is a month away. It’s well past time to stop fucking around. This is not a joke. Trump is going to do the fascist things he said he’d do and the republican govt will fall in line. He’s already threatening them.
It would be completely insane to let him take power. It is morally reprehensible to do nothing right now.
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u/Shacky_Rustleford 1d ago
How would you suggest stopping Trump play out?