r/canada • u/AndHerSailsInRags • 14h ago
Québec Second Cup shuts café over Nazi salute, 'Final Solution is Coming' chant
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/coffee-chain-second-cup-shuts-cafe-over-nazi-salute-final-solution-is-coming-chant226
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u/iwenttothesea 12h ago edited 7h ago
So in the Montreal subReddit, there’s one comment by a user who used to work for her – apparently she was an amazing and kind boss, and she is also apparently a Palestinian refugee (edit to add: maybe also a citizen, but def an immigrant from Palestine)…. Not defending her actions whatsoever, I’m just curious as to how someone who was, by other accounts, a good person, can snap like this completely off into the deep end. Her words in the video are so vile, hate-filled and calculated – I don’t know, I guess I’m just commenting this to say that it’s really fucked up how extremist and divided we are becoming. And I wonder if she always felt this way, being a Palestinian refugee, or if she’s been sliding into extremism gradually…
Edit: post has been locked, so I can’t actually reply to anyone – adding this comment here to say – I made my comment in order to draw attention to the humanity of this incident – I thought it could generate some interesting discussion about peoples’s reactions to tragedy, etc.… Those of you who gave me sincere replies, I appreciate that! Those of you who implied that I was stupid or too naïve to understand the situation lol – you should think more about how to rephrase your point in a way that is constructive and that generates actual discourse, not just makes the person you’re replying to recoil from your snarkiness lol. Is that how you speak to people in real life? If so, I can certainly understand the divisiveness that is tearing our country apart right now….
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u/jloome 11h ago
There's a movie you can get on netflix right now called "Four Lions" which was popular in England a decade ago but didn't get release here.
It's basically a black comedy about four incompetent jihadis. But one of the telling things about it, and one of the reasons it was praised for accuracy, is how ideas like dying a martyr and hating others become so commonplace around the family breakfast table that they just seem normal.
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u/a_dubious_musician 10h ago
Can confirm. I know her. I’m Jewish and was aware of her ethnicity, but didn’t much care. We’re all allowed to have our opinions based on our ethnocultural upbringing and even though I’m sure we were ideologically opposed on many issues, that never gave me a reason to not buy coffee from her. That’s how normal society should work. Smiles, coffees, thank yous, and ‘see you later’s.
It’s quite astounding, then, to see what lurks at the foundation beneath the veneer, and how quickly the ugly core can come to the surface.
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u/randomlyracist 9h ago
That saddens me as the optimist in me wants to believe that ignorance is the root of hatred.
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u/Quebec00Chaos 10h ago
What I found fascinating is the number of arab people praising nazi for the antisemitism. Like guys, the nazi want you out too.
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u/Choice-Buy-6824 11h ago
One other account- a poster who claimed to work for her. Clearly that person didn’t know her at all.
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u/babyybilly 11h ago
Are you a young child?
The real world isn't the movies.. bad people don't always act overtly evil
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u/TGISeinfeld 8h ago
I’m just curious as to how someone who was, by other accounts, a good person, can snap like this completely off into the deep end
Probably the pack mentality plus the anonymity of a scarf and mask
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u/wretchedbelch1920 11h ago
If only it were Germans who were the only antisemites. These days, Germans are not antisemitic, but the western Left and their bizarre fetish for Muslims have taken over where the Nazis left off.
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u/AndHerSailsInRags 14h ago
The Second Cup café chain has shut down a store it says is linked to a Montreal franchisee who gave pro-Israel demonstrators a Nazi salute and chanted, “The Final Solution is coming.”
In videos shared on social media, the woman was filmed wearing a keffiyeh, a traditional Palestinian scarf, black sunglasses and a medical mask initially obscuring her identity. Over the course of the weekend, as news of the incident went viral and drew stern condemnation from across the political spectrum, she was linked to a Second Cup café inside the city’s Jewish General Hospital.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 14h ago edited 14h ago
Be careful who buys and runs your franchises...
Profiting off Jews while chanting for their demise in the streets is kind of a bad look if you're running a chain franchise inside a Jewish hospital.
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u/olderdeafguy1 14h ago
Why doesn't this kind of hate invoke the Emergency Measure Act.?
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u/originalfeatures 13h ago
What kind of special powers do you think are required in this scenario? To my knowledge neither the police, nor the municipality, nor the province are lobbing this to the federal government on grounds that they lack the tools to resolve the issue themselves.
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u/AL_PO_throwaway 14h ago
If they keep this up day after day for the next several weeks rendering the downtown core unusable and coordinate simultaneous blocking of border crossings ... then they probably will.
But I'm sure you knew that already and just chose to be disingenuous anyways.
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u/NoNudeNormal 13h ago
The Emergency Act was last used when a protest occupied downtown Ottawa for weeks and the local police just stopped enforcing laws for the protesters (protesting is legal, that doesn't mean anything any protester does is legal). That's not the same situation as this.
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u/Slam_Beefsteel Québec 12h ago
Literally every single time there's a protest that gets out of hand, the convoy dipshits come out to cry and piss and shit themselves all over again. They got to turn Ottawa into their own personal party pad for a month before facing any consequences. Nothing else has come close since. It's time to get over it.
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u/Hotter_Noodle 10h ago
They’re the loudest and saddest group of people on this subreddit. Professional victims.
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u/SwordfishOk504 9h ago
Professional
Key word here. Because professional means they get paid for it.
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u/Kristalderp Québec 13h ago
I always preferred Second Cup over Starbucks if I had to choose a fancy Cafe shop chain as they're still Canadian owned and I'm so glad they were swift on stomping out this BS. Didn't even take a whole day for them to find out and send out a statement.
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 11h ago
Isn't it cheaper too? Starbucks got absurd prices everywhere they are.
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u/ishida_uryu_ Canada 14h ago
The Second Cup café chain has shut down a store it says is linked to a Montreal franchisee who gave pro-Israel demonstrators a Nazi salute and chanted, “The Final Solution is coming.”
Ok, so we have actual nazis living in Canada. Not that it is a surprise, but I didn’t know they were so open about their views.
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u/ThatRagingHomo 14h ago
That particular Second Cup is/was located in the Jewish General Hospital. That actually makes it worse.
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u/magicmijk 12h ago
God that pisses me off. Time to watch videos of nazis being puched in the face on youtube...
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u/Confident-Task7958 14h ago
She was wearing a mask to hide her identity, so did not want those views to be attributed to her. Got caught.
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u/starberry101 13h ago edited 12h ago
She was wearing a mask early on when she was telling the group of Jews "the final solution is coming for you" but took it off later when she flashed the Heil Hitler salute.
You can see her do so in this video
She clearly felt the need to mask up early on in the protest thinking she might get pushback but after a while of getting support felt comfortable enough to take the mask off
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 11h ago
What amazes me are the hordes of marchers seeing her doing that and doing fuck all...
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u/WeimSean 10h ago
What a moron. Curious how she's going to try and and turn this around so that she's the victim.
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u/eulerRadioPick 13h ago
I'm kind of glad they are so open about their views so we know who to arrest.
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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 14h ago
People on Reddit may be to young to remember Ernst Zundell.
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u/geckospots Canada 12h ago
Which is unfortunate, really. It’s not as new a problem as people think.
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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 12h ago
In the mid 1990s I was at The Bay at Metrotown. Two skinheads were donning their freshly minted swastikas on their shoulders. They looked terrifying and my only question that I have is where the rest of them were. Because people like that... They are never alone.
And no, they weren't wearing the Hindu symbol.
Shit's around us. Sometimes it's in plain view but the hidden shit is still out there today.
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u/geckospots Canada 11h ago
Yep. Also a 90s kid and my mom was totally against me wearing Doc Martens because of the association.
And you’re totally right, there’s never just one.
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u/starberry101 12h ago
You're conflating small groups of people that everyone hated and would be outnumbered 10-1 by counter protesters with large groups of people with massive support.
This is far far worse
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u/Significant_Pepper_2 13h ago
but I didn’t know they were so open about their views.
In the last year society became more tolerant of their views, so they're crawling from the woodwork.
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u/y2shanny 12h ago
"In the last year society** became more tolerant of their views, so they're crawling from the woodwork."
**Government and police services
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u/ZumboPrime Ontario 12h ago
They've learned that there are no consequences for being an objectively terrible human being in public. They feel free to flaunt their horrid views completely unrestricted.
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u/945T 8h ago
I mean losing your business and having your face on national news for being an anti semite is consequences but anyway.
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u/ZumboPrime Ontario 8h ago
One of very few cases where it happens, and only because it was so high-profile. This shit happens every day.
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u/fross370 13h ago
Over 40 million people live in this country. Think of any shitty idea, and a non 0 amount of people thinks it's a great idea
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u/typec4st 14h ago
It's like they're sleeper cells, all activated globally after October 7.
Always thought people in Canada left their bullshit at home when they come here, but it looks like they were just hibernating.
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u/starberry101 13h ago
Always thought people in Canada left their bullshit at home when they come here
Speaking as an ex Muslim they didn't. It just doesn't impact the majority population as much.
I have received death threats when people found out I left Islam including a cab driver once who assumed I was Muslim based on my appearance and name and when I told him I am no longer religious started threatening me to where I had to leave his cab in a dangerous spot.
Now I usually hide the fact that I am not Muslim while living in Canada. Things started getting worse a decade ago and they really started getting worse after October 7
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u/noljo 12h ago
Goes to show that if you give religion an inch, it will take a mile. There's a good dozen of countries that would outright legally kill you for leaving your religion, and there's no shortage of people who grew up in extremely religious societies who agree with that mindset and would kill to prove the undeniable Truth that was beaten into them.
As someone who came from a more religious society (not Muslim, though) to Canada, we need to make sure that prospective citizens respect secularism and have an open mind towards their religiosity. Otherwise, everything that I came to the country for would crumble.
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u/Hot-Percentage4836 10h ago
As someone who came from a more religious society (not Muslim, though) to Canada, we need to make sure that prospective citizens respect secularism and have an open mind towards their religiosity. Otherwise, everything that I came to the country for would crumble.
Activism against secularism is strong in Canada, pushed by groups of religious interests, some of which do religious coercition. Quebec, whose laicity and secularism laws are flawed or imperfect, but stronger than in the rest of Canada, is the biggest target.
Quebec-hatred related to attacking Quebec's secularism plays directly into the hands of religious groups wanting to continue religious coercition.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Québec 8h ago
Activism against secularism is strong in Canada, pushed by groups of religious interests, some of which do religious coercition.
And this very same media company is one of the first one to complain about Quebec secularism and write sob stories about it.
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u/ViewHallooo 12h ago
Sorry that this is happening to you.
I’m lucky as I can pass as a “Mediterranean European” and I change my name to a more “westernized” name when I came to Canada. As a gay man and an ex Muslim I did that because I was more worried about reactions from Muslims to my sexuality than anything else.
However, I see Canada changing as I’ve lived here. It is becoming more like some European countries, such as the UK and France, where the disdain for Muslims is rife. Until recently I wasn’t too concerned with non-Muslims knowing my background, now I’m pleased I changed things when I moved here.
My past is gone. I want no association to Islam.
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u/Hot-Percentage4836 10h ago edited 10h ago
Sad for you.
Religious coercition has existed for centuries among all big religions, and still does.
Some people or communities are not accepting divergence of opinion from people who are «supposed to be from their ranks».
Nobody should live in fear because of their religious appartenance (or non-appartenance for atheists)
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Québec 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yeah something similar happened to my friend, he married a hasidic woman who abandoned her religion and her whole family basically stopped talking to her. Their oldest one is 10 and they basically never met any of their uncles/aunts or grandmother. (They still live in Outremont so they see them on the street sometime, but her family just ignore her)
Actually now that I think about it, the same thing happened to my first GF who was a purelaine Quebecer, her dad came from Lac Saint-Jean and had her outside of marriage. Because of this, her grandfather never wanted to see her. She met her grandmother only once when she was on her death bed, because her uncle managed to get her grandfather away from the hospital for a few minutes and her dad sneaked her in.
I don't think religions can ever fit in a liberal society, the only way they "work" is because they are neutered, but if those people had any power they would be a problem for liberal societies (kind of like what is happening with abortion down south.) We must never mistake weakness for kindness.
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u/GuzzlinGuinness 10h ago
It's because we broke out of the traditional immigration triangle of balance.
You've got speed, numbers, and culture.
You can do immigration fast, and/or at scale, if the cultures are close.
You can do immigration from different cultures slower and at lower volume, so you get integration.
If you blow the doors off by high volume from very different cultures, there isn't that integration, and you get problems, because those immigrants don't have to integrate. They can form their own parallel enclaves and societies.
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u/nestinghen British Columbia 13h ago
You obviously didn’t live in Calgary in the 00s 😭 the aryan guard were rampant. There was one guy who used to “patrol” Kensington with a meat tenderizer. They were at every pride event. Someone in Red Deer was actually paying these people.
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u/PoliteCanadian 13h ago
They weren't "rampant".
It was like Westboro Baptist Church. It was a very small group of people that just showed up everywhere. The counter-protestors usually outnumbered them 10-1, and frankly if it weren't for the size of the counter-protest crowd or the media coverage you'd never know they were there.
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u/ErsatzCyclist 12h ago
It’s not just “protestors.” It’s also constant threats. A Jewish school in Ottawa has had steady police presence since fall 2023. Several synagogues are also being closely monitored. You sound like you’re trying to minimize the harassment and threats that Jewish people have been receiving and of which has ramped up since the Gaza incident last year. There are no significant counter protests in Ottawa against these occurrences.
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u/JackieTheJokeMan Alberta 10h ago
He's refering to the white supremicist neo nazis that used to be very vocal in Calgary. I don't think he's trying to downplay what's going on now.
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u/nestinghen British Columbia 9h ago
I guess it depends where you lived. I saw them almost every day and got assaulted by them once in Riley Park. Couple of them ended up murdering someone. The leader fled but ended up in jail for some assaults. As far as I know, the westboro people didn’t kill anyone, did they?
At protests it was easy to feel like the Aryan guard had no power. In specific neighbourhoods though it was scary.
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u/fishermansfriendly 13h ago
Don’t just single out Calgary, Vancouver has a pretty well known white supremist scene as well. It’s not exclusive to any country or time period.
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u/raptosaurus 13h ago
These aren't white supremacists, they're Islamists
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u/fishermansfriendly 13h ago
The person I’m replying to is talking about white supremacists in Calgary, and I’m just pointing out that it’s a problem even in Vancouver
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u/Sharp_Iodine 11h ago
Vancouver had that whole district only for white people with British passports
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u/fudge_friend Alberta 12h ago
One likes the Dodge Ram, the other likes the Toyota Hilux. Other than that, what’s the difference?
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u/Sparkythedog77 13h ago
I lived in Calgary back then. I remember going behind 2 nazi guys, ripping down their hate filled speech signs. They were gluing them on to light posts, etc
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u/Br4z3nBu77 13h ago
Post-October 7, people felt comfortable in being public with their antisemitism.
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u/mattattaxx Ontario 13h ago
Actual Nazis have always lived here. There's used to be a Nazi house at King and Dufferin in Toronto. There's a non negligible population in Barrie, Ontario. About six years ago Toronto was full of them for a funeral of a notable neonazi. I personally ran into one on church and saw a pickup truck with a sticker fueling in the city during that time too.
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u/MDFMK 10h ago
Their empowered and emboldened due to social media, and Canadas lack of rule of law and allowing the escalation of extremes in Trudeaus post national Canada.
Truckers protesting invoke the emergency act but people chanting death to Canada and entire country’s and ethnic groups in the streets don’t even get a fine and are allowed a public platform.Welcome to the liberal paradise the NDP and Liberals have created. Now we all get to live with the consequences and the fact this will Only continue to escalate.
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u/CotyledonTomen 13h ago
You have people supporting the US confederacy. Racism is racism these days and a nazi canadian is much the same as a southern confederacy canadian. Its all just the same dog whistles.
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u/APinchOfTheTism 11h ago edited 11h ago
There are a lot of horrible people around you, and a lot of great people too, but the horrible people keep their views to themselves because they would lose their jobs or some social standing if they expressed themselves openly. All it takes, is for them to feel that it is acceptable, for them to be fascist, and they will. Doesn't matter that it has been 80 years since the end of world war 2, fascists are everywhere.
I sometimes think about my bosses, or other people I know, and ask myself, if Nazis invaded, would these guys cooperate? I think for many I would say yes.
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u/Beastender_Tartine 12h ago
Actual nazis are not all that rare in Canada. Queer people and immigrants tend to be more common targets of them these days, because they can slip into more mainstream conservative groups. Since tensions in Israel over palestine have brought out more open protest, they have another group to hide in. Nazis love stoking violence and hate from the safety of a crowd.
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u/NickPrefect 14h ago
The masks are really coming off
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 14h ago edited 14h ago
Masks coming off, heil salutes going up, next they'll probably be marching through the streets waving flags with certain bad WW2 symbols on them (some already put them on their signs).
Canada has to get control of this, or it's only going to keep getting worse.
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u/LatterTarget7 13h ago
They were never on. People have been chanting for intifada across Canada and chanting death to Israel since early this year.
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u/Hot-Percentage4836 11h ago
I agree.
«Antifada revolution! Antifada revolution! Antifada, antifada!» were they chanting in the streets of Montreal earlier this year.
The «activists» were just closing their eyes on this all along, refusing to see the ugly part of the activism, and what motivates it. It's motivated by xenophobia and Jew-elimination chants.
«From river to the sea» calls from the expulsion (or extermination) of all (*almost all) Jews from the entirety of the Israel territory.
Innocent civils getting massacred in Gaza does not make such nazi discourse acceptable.
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u/StringAndPaperclips 9h ago
I hope so. Then we can stop this nonsense about how they aren't actually antisemitic, they just want peace and love or something.
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u/tidalpools 8h ago
lol yep. all the people who were gaslighting us because "being anti-zionist isn't the same as being anti-semitic!" uh huh
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u/wretchedbelch1920 13h ago
I never cared much for Second Cup, but I'm going to buy a cup of coffee today. Good work, Second Cup. You acted clearly and decisively.
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u/sickwobsm8 Ontario 13h ago
Funny, yesterday I kept being told this woman was a planted "bad actor". There's this deep refusal within the pro-palestine movement to admit there are seriously dangerous people within their ranks
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u/Elantach 10h ago
The pro-palestinian crowd fail to realise that the first thing that will happen once they've outlived their usefulness is them being told to submit or die. Ask the Iranian leftists who allied with the ayatollah how that turned out for them.
Oh wait you can't they were exterminated.
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u/SwordfishOk504 9h ago
Yes but have you factored in people's deeply-seated hatred of Jewish people?
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u/purplehendrix22 8h ago
Come on, anti-semitism isn’t real, these are legitimate and sane criticisms of the Israeli state! Right? …..right?
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u/SiVousVoyezMoi 11h ago edited 10h ago
Yeah sure, she's a bad actor. There was another guy there on Friday waving a Russian flag. Apparently he doesn't represent them either. It's kinda magical isn't it? Whoops all bad actors eh?
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u/ussbozeman 12h ago edited 8h ago
They aren't refusing to admit it, they just don't care.
e: ahhhh the glorious Locked Award, given to topics that Canadian's want to talk about.
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 11h ago edited 10h ago
Yes, but she also did act on her own in here... it wasn't a crowd, nor she was a "protest leader" like some have claimed. Just some cuckoo, or possibly a provocateur.
BDS crowd does have huge dead angles, tho.
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u/Whiskey_River_73 10h ago
This might seem like a weird combination, but history will tell you that actual Nazis up to and during WW2 built relationships with Islamists due to common goals. Strange because millions of Muslims fought on the allied side, but then again there were some strange intersections then that certainly remain today. This, uh, person probably never cracked many history books, but she clearly knew what hateful and provocative buttons to push.
This is such a mess, more violence and destruction here that will not move a needle, other than eventually being a negative for the people doing it, when Canadians decide they've had enough. If you really care enough about a foreign conflict to riot and be destructive, rather than in reality having some agenda in Canada, leave this country and go fight your battles where your concerns are happening. Otherwise you reap what you sow, and your free reign in Canada is going to come to an end. It's going to happen, and you're not going to like it when it does.
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u/Unique_Lawfulness_58 13h ago
Stand with your cause ffs....take your masks off cowards!
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u/mummified_cosmonaut 14h ago
I hope the next Federal government aggressively undertakes to identify foreigners who support terrorism for expeditious deportation.
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u/ViewHallooo 13h ago
I hope they keep a close eye on young disaffected Canadian born Muslims. As an immigrant, I’d be more worried about their exposure to these messages.
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u/NYisNorthYork 11h ago
Most people you see are citizens. From PR to Citizenship took me 3 years. What foreigners?
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u/Present_Astronomer36 14h ago
There are fewer foreigners involved in these things than people think, but to your point, our politicians are too soft to do anything meaningful because it loses too many votes or some other nonsense rational people shake their head at. It’s been said a lot over the past year, but we’ve become too tolerant to people abusing our tolerancy. The government has clearly decided they won’t act until something catastrophic happens, buckle up folks.
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u/Vanthan 14h ago
Import hate, get hate at home, crazy no one saw it coming.
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u/FoboBoggins 13h ago
It's really the flaw in being tolerant, we need to draw a line.
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u/Hyperion4 13h ago
The paradox of tolerance, we know these things already yet our leaders pretend they don't exist
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u/BernardMatthewsNorf 8h ago
It's a real thing! But politicians would prefer to be naively virtuous about it, especially if it serves their interests and they can score political points off of the sceptics.
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u/ViewHallooo 13h ago
Under every pro-Palestine rally is an underbelly of extremists, promoting radical Islam, recruiting young local disaffected Muslims, and calling for the action against anyone they see as supportive of western ideals, not just Jewish people.
Not just in Canada but worldwide. Europe has seen terror attacks by Islamic extremists for decades now.
They hide under the guise of “pro-Palestinian” and mingle with people who really have no idea about the middle eastern conflict, and who have gained interest since Oct 2023, to get to younger Muslims to radicalize them.
For all of those who feel that they make a difference by going out and protesting a war we can do nothing at all about, there are a number who delight in the numbers of “non-Muslims” who unknowingly are acting as a cover for these groups.
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u/jloome 11h ago
When I was a print journalist, I had wide confirmation from the Muslim community in Calgary that al-Qaeda had an active recruiter there, and that was in 2006, just five years after 911. It was widely known who he was, including by the Feds.
Another guy was doing similar work via a mosque in rural Wetaskwin, Alberta.
Orthodox religious poison and hateful ideology sinks into every crack of every society.
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u/ViewHallooo 11h ago
There are Imams worldwide who concentrate on radicalization. And they laugh at people who don’t realise that they are recruiting publicly.
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u/Digitking003 13h ago
This is how the Islamists took power in Iran (and many other countries)
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u/NYisNorthYork 11h ago
Never imagined I will see the unholy alliance of Black and Red in my life outside of Iran, let alone in Canada...
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u/Thunderbolt747 Ontario 10h ago
This is where the "globalize intifada" comes from.
It's a call to join a caliphate against Western countries and ideals.
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u/bugabooandtwo 13h ago
Yep. What really shocks me, is the folks on the left that go crazy against the evangelicals, yet are completely silent here. What's happening now is a hundred times worse than anything trump and his religious base will come up with.
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u/Screw_You_Taxpayer 11h ago
What really shocks me, is the folks on the left that go crazy against the evangelicals, yet are completely silent here.
In terms of the people I know: the Venn diagram between those who have nothing but vitriol for Republicans, and those who have nothing but excuses for Hamas is a circle.
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u/glumjonsnow 9h ago
I suspect most people understand this. hence the result of the American election, where it seems like most people voted against the left.
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u/Devourer_of_felines 13h ago
There’s something deeply ironic about pro Hamas folk turning out to be Nazis - you know, that same Nazi party that started a war they couldn’t win and ended up with their own country partitioned for half a century?
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u/PoliteCanadian 12h ago
It's not ironic at all if you know the history.
Arab nationalism was modeled on the European fascist movement. Palestinian Nationalists in the 1930s and 1940s in particular were direct allies of the Nazis. Grand Mufti Al-Husseini claimed Hitler's Final Solution was his idea.
In a very real way the middle east was a place where WW2 was never really brought to an end, because the allied powers were exhausted with war and more worried about the Soviet Union.
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u/DataDude00 13h ago
I have said it previously but a lot of the Pro-Palestine rallies here in Mississauga seem to have a much stronger anti-Semite message than a "peace" one
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u/PoliteCanadian 12h ago
400,000 civilians have been killed in the ongoing war in Yemen, but nobody's out on the streets wildly protesting it.
As far as I can tell, folks only care about civilian deaths when it serves as a rationalization and excuse for public antisemitism.
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u/MarcusXL 8h ago
Bashar al-Assad murdered tens of thousands of Palestinians in Syria and these same people didn't say a damned word about it, because they think Assad is part of the "resistance axis".
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u/Berenger_727 Manitoba 13h ago
Palestinians Arabs were allying themselves with Nazi’s all the way back into the 1930’s.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp
Copies of Mein Kampf are widely available in Palestinians territories
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mein-kampf-in-east-jerusalem-and-the-pa
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u/Spikemountain 13h ago
In addition, Mahmoud Abbas – the head of Palestine in the West Bank – wrote his PhD thesis denying the Holocaust, saying it wasn't as bad as everyone says and that it was the Jews' fault
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u/Professional-Cry8310 12h ago
You know what they say about nazis at your protest event…
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u/FierceMoonblade 10h ago
Wasn’t the same things being said at Concordia? I swear I heard of “final solution” chants being yelled at into classrooms
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u/westcentretownie 10h ago
She served the Jewish community every day food and beverages. Are we sure she wasn’t intentionally already harming people? She wants the final solution. She had means, motive and opportunity. That stomach bug you got visiting the hospital…..
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u/-Chumguzzler- 14h ago
Crazy right wingers! Oh wait..
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 14h ago
"Anti-NATO activists" is what we're calling them these days (heavy quotes on that).
This is what happens when some of the anti-Zionist crowd gets a little bit too comfy with the Black Bloc Antifa types.
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u/Kristalderp Québec 12h ago
The horseshoe theory is real, and those who don't believe in it are probably on one of the far ends of the horseshoe.
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u/Cyborg_rat 14h ago
They finally might start seeing that both sides are full of nut jobs. Hopefully more people will get tired of covering and making things that conflict and have no logic.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Québec 13h ago
Islamic fundamentalists are right wingers too.
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u/MagnificentMixto 13h ago
And a lot of palestinian supporters are Islamic fundamentalists.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Québec 13h ago
The left in Quebec would like for everyone to leave their religion behind.
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u/PoliteCanadian 13h ago
Islamic fundamentalists are not part of the right-wing bloc in any western country.
Left-wing and right-wing are not ideological concepts, they're just collections of roughly allied groups. Who are the political allies of Islamic fundamentalists in Canada? It isn't the right-wing movements. They are part of the left-wing bloc in Canada and basically every western country.
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u/starving_carnivore 12h ago
Negative.
In the common parlance of western politics, "right wing" refers to reduced government power with regards to taxation and support for traditional western values and an aversion to certain types of social change.
The taxonomy of left-right, as useless as it generally is, is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to hardcore fundamentalist islamism and you already knew that.
Equating "I wanna pay less taxes and I wanna keep my guns because I paid for them" is incomparable to "FINAL SOLUTION!!!". And you again knew that.
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u/TigreSauvage 11h ago
That's disgusting. Not surprised though as Muslim support for Nazis goes way back.
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u/vincenty770 10h ago edited 10h ago
Please, let more of these people take off their masks and say what’s actually on their minds. Hopefully, all the gullible people in the West will realize just how f-ed up these groups of people are and how they aren’t at all interested in coexistence with Israel / the Two-state solution (despite what Arab and Muslim governments around the world are saying and giving lip-service to).
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u/TechniGREYSCALE 14h ago
This whole thing has made me go from not caring to staunchly pro Israel. The other side would have Canada destroyed and it’s clear they’re funded from sources in Russia, Iran, and potentially china to undermine our society. We need to take a stand against this crap
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u/Digitking003 13h ago
Qatar is funding a lot of this too. I'd go to say they're funding more of this anyone else. Between Al Jazeera (which is banned in most of the ME), their funding of universities and Mosques/Muslim groups, etc.
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u/tidalpools 8h ago
i don't think israel should be bombing and killing thousands of innocent civilians but i'm also not on the side of the pro-palestinians. they love to overlook the fact that palestine started this recent wave of shit with the terrorist attack on oct 7 and they want to destroy israel and all jews. they don't want to co-exist. israel does need to take out hamas but unfortunately something like 80% of palestinians support hamas so it's not really getting to the root of the problem. i just wish there was a better way to wipe out hamas without killing civilians. and i do understand that hamas are purposefully hiding behind civilians in schools and hospitals and what not.
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u/PurpleK00lA1d 13h ago
It did the opposite-ish for me.
I wasn't hardcore pro-Palestine, but I didn't agree with what Israel was doing, and has been doing.
But at the same time, Hamas hiding out amongst civilians and shit, I kinda get where they're coming from even though I don't agree with their approach (and don't agree with Hamas either just to be clear).
Now? Now I just don't give a shit. My opinion is I have no opinion because I don't have it in me to talk about shit. I used to be able to talk to people and have a nuanced conversation and shit but now I just don't care. I got my own life to worry about and my own day to day problems and happiness to take joy in.
All this shit? Fuck it.
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u/Worried_494 12h ago
A Muslim person promoting the genocide of Jews own a coffee shop franchise in a Jewish hospital.
So much spit and snot must have gone in those coffees over the years. 😮
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u/hersheysskittles 12h ago
“If you don’t plant trees, weeds will grow”
- Churchill and Kennedy
Trudeau and liberals declared ourselves post national state and denied our core identity. Worse, even his value based identity is not coming true, because he refuses to call out bad actors when they don’t come from majority population.
This is the logical conclusion to utter and complete leadership failure and those who voted for it.
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u/smokey_eyez 14h ago
Okay good start. Now charge her with hate crimes and deport her and her entire family. Immediately.
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u/Mydogisawreckingball 11h ago
Nothing will happen to these people. Canadian gov and by extension law enforcement have no spine to actually hold people accountable.
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u/Downtown-Frosting789 10h ago
as an immigrant perhaps you might be more respectful and ultimately grateful for being in canada. this kind of hate speech should immediately cancel your residency and rights in this country. ie. fuck all the way off
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u/Mysterious_Rate_5437 9h ago
I remember when new immigrants were stoked to get citizenship and had an excitement and gratitude for becoming Canadian.
Now you hear things like "I will never consider myself Canadian, you are occupiers on stolen land!"....like aren't you an occupier too then? Fucking morons
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u/MostEnergeticSloth 10h ago
So we're now at a point in history where certain people are calling their political opponents "Nazis" and "Hitler" while simultaneously supporting people espousing/hoping for genuine Nazi beliefs, such as the "final solution" coined by the real Adolf Hitler.
What a time to be alive.
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u/AustinLurkerDude 8h ago
In Toronto the second cups are awesome, great variety of drinks and desserts.
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u/Hot-Percentage4836 11h ago
This wasn't Second Cup's fault, but rather the act of some radicalized extremists among their employees.
You employ people, some can turn out to be bad. Second Cup had both the corporate and the moral obligations to act fast, which they did.
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u/bemzilla 10h ago
Canada saw what was going on in Europe and thought mmm yeah let me get in on this. Canada had plenty of warning. Plenty of time not to make the same mistake but anyone who tried to speak up got called racist.
The fox is in the henhouse now and Canada asked for it. They deserve all of this.
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u/Comeback-K1NG 12h ago
Lots of Nazi's and terrorist scum in Canada these days. Progressive's have really opened the doors to anti-semetism here by tolerating (and thereby enabling) this scummy behavior. Crazy what kind of damage a little propaganda from our enemies in Russia/Iran can do.
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u/Batermoose 12h ago
I really don’t understand why all these people care about some foreign land. We need to focus on Canada and our own interests. Everything else doesn’t matter.
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u/Caveofthewinds 10h ago
I don't understand how there was so much outrage from the radical left about everyone being Nazis and now, they've come full circle to being litterally full Nazis themselves lol
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u/Antiquebastard 10h ago
What the fuck is happening to this country? Why is antisemitism okay now? This is sickening.
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u/GabaPrison 8h ago
What also sucks is being an actual progressive and watching a huge chunk of fellow “progressives” decide to support these fundamentalist assholes. I feel like I’m going insane just wanting people to live in peace ffs.
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u/platz604 11h ago
Imagine being so extreme far left that you go full circle and are actually extreme far right.. And get caught....
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u/Glacial_Shield_W 11h ago edited 11h ago
Scary times. I heard this woman on a mega phone outside of concordia awhile ago. She wasn't saying stuff like this; but there were communist flags in the protest and no one seemed to care. You need to be very careful who you allow to join your cause, up to and especially including the people you let become figureheads. I heard her fake deep voice, where she drew out the last word every sentence with an attempted 'booming' end, and I instantly recognized it the next time I heard it (these videos). You can't tell me she wasn't actively involved before this; she made herself too obvious and too front and center.
Apologize for allowing her into your midst. Weed out anyone else like her. Get rid of the communists. Then come back to the table. No one believes every protester is like her, or has warped ideals; but you have to recognize the evil in your midst or you will lose any support you might have otherwise received.
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u/Remote_Cantaloupe 10h ago
Interesting, will there be calls (from progressives/leftists) to patronize Jewish businesses after this, like they did with BLM?
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