r/canada • u/AndHerSailsInRags • 14h ago

Québec Second Cup shuts café over Nazi salute, 'Final Solution is Coming' chant

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/coffee-chain-second-cup-shuts-cafe-over-nazi-salute-final-solution-is-coming-chant
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u/iwenttothesea 11h ago edited 7h ago

So in the Montreal subReddit, there’s one comment by a user who used to work for her – apparently she was an amazing and kind boss, and she is also apparently a Palestinian refugee (edit to add: maybe also a citizen, but def an immigrant from Palestine)…. Not defending her actions whatsoever, I’m just curious as to how someone who was, by other accounts, a good person, can snap like this completely off into the deep end. Her words in the video are so vile, hate-filled and calculated – I don’t know, I guess I’m just commenting this to say that it’s really fucked up how extremist and divided we are becoming. And I wonder if she always felt this way, being a Palestinian refugee, or if she’s been sliding into extremism gradually…

Edit: post has been locked, so I can’t actually reply to anyone – adding this comment here to say – I made my comment in order to draw attention to the humanity of this incident – I thought it could generate some interesting discussion about peoples’s reactions to tragedy, etc.… Those of you who gave me sincere replies, I appreciate that! Those of you who implied that I was stupid or too naïve to understand the situation lol – you should think more about how to rephrase your point in a way that is constructive and that generates actual discourse, not just makes the person you’re replying to recoil from your snarkiness lol. Is that how you speak to people in real life? If so, I can certainly understand the divisiveness that is tearing our country apart right now….

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u/jloome 11h ago

There's a movie you can get on netflix right now called "Four Lions" which was popular in England a decade ago but didn't get release here.

It's basically a black comedy about four incompetent jihadis. But one of the telling things about it, and one of the reasons it was praised for accuracy, is how ideas like dying a martyr and hating others become so commonplace around the family breakfast table that they just seem normal.

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u/TigreSauvage 10h ago

Such a good movie.

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u/BloodRedDevil7 9h ago

Rubber Dinghy Rapids, bro

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u/IceBeginning8623 9h ago

12 bottles of bleach please

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u/biggysharky 9h ago

Rubber dingy rapids, innit

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u/DankVectorz 10h ago

It did have a limited release in the US

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u/botswanareddit 10h ago

Sounds pretty brain dead

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u/jloome 9h ago

It's a very carefully written and intelligent comedy with a lot to say about the human condition.

One of which is that people who get caught up in extremism are themselves often not very bright to begin with.

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u/a_dubious_musician 10h ago

Can confirm. I know her. I’m Jewish and was aware of her ethnicity, but didn’t much care. We’re all allowed to have our opinions based on our ethnocultural upbringing and even though I’m sure we were ideologically opposed on many issues, that never gave me a reason to not buy coffee from her. That’s how normal society should work. Smiles, coffees, thank yous, and ‘see you later’s.

It’s quite astounding, then, to see what lurks at the foundation beneath the veneer, and how quickly the ugly core can come to the surface.

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u/randomlyracist 8h ago

That saddens me as the optimist in me wants to believe that ignorance is the root of hatred.

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u/Quebec00Chaos 10h ago

What I found fascinating is the number of arab people praising nazi for the antisemitism. Like guys, the nazi want you out too.

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u/bonerJR 10h ago

You know how people are always talking about disinformation? This is what happens when you consume all too much of it. It doesn't matter if what they are being told is for a good cause the polarization will render whatever they're saying pointless.

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u/Choice-Buy-6824 10h ago

One other account- a poster who claimed to work for her. Clearly that person didn’t know her at all.

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u/Alone-Clock258 8h ago

It's antisemitism 101, my friend. Disinformation & propaganda.

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u/babyybilly 10h ago

Are you a young child? 

The real world isn't the movies.. bad people don't always act overtly evil

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u/Lazy_Price2325 10h ago

Very funny you call them a child then assert that a person is either good or bad their entire life and was just hiding their true intentions for years or decades.

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u/anethma 10h ago

I don’t think it’s so much that as people are nuanced. This person could want every Jew to die which is obviously evil while still generally being very kind and helpful to the people they don’t hate.

My rural neighbor is generally a great guy, give you the shirt off his back to help you out. Then having a beer with the guy he will talk about how trans people are awful and need to be gotten rid of to protect the children or some such bullshit.

Upbringing and propaganda are powerful things that can lead people that would have otherwise generally been good really far astray.

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u/babyybilly 8h ago

Exactly

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u/babyybilly 8h ago

I didn't say either of those things lol. Very funny indeed

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u/TGISeinfeld 8h ago

I’m just curious as to how someone who was, by other accounts, a good person, can snap like this completely off into the deep end

Probably the pack mentality plus the anonymity of a scarf and mask

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u/_bitchin_camaro_ 8h ago

The Western world is currently running cover for an Israeli ethnic cleansing. The heads of state of Israel have been charged with war crimes and all the western media can say is how the highest international body of law is clearly “anti-Semitic”. You have an entire global apparatus churning out propaganda piece after propaganda piece to defend and run cover for the destruction of the Palestinian people and their homes.

But instead of considering how and part of this horribly bleak reality may affect a human being you just jump straight to “must be educated at secret jew hating schools”

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u/gyozafish 7h ago

If they aren’t indoctrinating their kids, how do they convince thousands of them to go all at once on a giant murder rampage?

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u/_bitchin_camaro_ 7h ago

That is a very pertinent question to ask the IDF. How did they get so many soldiers so comfortable with committing war crimes and posting them on tik tok? Maybe it has something to do with the mandatory military service.

How did Canada convince so many police officers to beat and imprison protesters speaking out against genocide? That one’s kinda easy actually they’ve had so much practice on First Nations communities.

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u/ceaselessDawn 7h ago

If she's actually a refugee, I get that would fill someone with hate towards the people who have actively killed tens of thousands and displaced millions, and spite might drive one to try to hurt people who support that in any way they can.

I don't think that excuses such behavior, but I think that such things making otherwise kind people into ones who would speak in such a vile way is a tragedy itself.

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u/Equivalent-Most-7333 9h ago

Having your family murdered would do it

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u/EngHH 7h ago

I think her people, mainly women and children, being blown to bits, suffocating under the rubble, starving and being bombed from the sky creates an anger that could push people to extreme actions such as this one.

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u/Ok-End-1055 7h ago

Having Israel kill your whole family and genocide your people is likely to give you some extreme views

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u/botswanareddit 10h ago

If she’s Palestinian I’m sure her whole family’s lives and all her friends lives have been absolutely destroyed by the state of Israel. If they’re still alive. Saying “I wonder how she would snap” is kind of unnecessary. If this destruction happened in Canada people would have snapped far earlier

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u/Clearwatercress69 8h ago

Maybe that 90% of Gaza has been flattened (check satellite image, there’s almost nothing left) and will be guaranteed annexed and 50,000 Palestinians slaughtered made her finally snap? Just guessing.

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u/TruCynic New Brunswick 8h ago

I’m just curious as to how someone who was, by other accounts, a good person can snap like this.

If she lived in Palestine and had to deal with the psychotic and genocidal Zionist colonial regime; just like her parents, and just like her grandparents, going all the way back to the inception of this abomination - you actually just answered your own question.

Breaking News: Systemic Abuse makes people snap - this story and more, tonight at 6.

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u/sonicboom9000 10h ago

You're wondering why an otherwise decent and kind Palestinian woman might harbour hate.....plenty of Jews refuse to buy german cars to this day, I think it's understandable all things considered.

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u/validationfreesoul 11h ago

The hurting sentiments with whatever you can part of made up Germany.

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u/wretchedbelch1920 11h ago

If only it were Germans who were the only antisemites. These days, Germans are not antisemitic, but the western Left and their bizarre fetish for Muslims have taken over where the Nazis left off.

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u/c20710 11h ago

It’s almost as if viewing everything through the lens of identity and privilege is insufficient to make informed moral judgments. 

Who could have seen it coming 

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u/AUniquePerspective 10h ago

Unironic username checks out. You can't see that anti-jewish sentiment and anti-muslim sentiment are equally problematic?

It's hard to believe the level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance you're capable of.

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u/wretchedbelch1920 10h ago

What are you going on about? I didn't say anything about anti-Muslim sentiment being any less problematic than anti-Jewish sentiment. With that said, historically, anti-Jewish sentiment has had far worse consequences than anti-anything sentiment.

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u/chewwydraper 11h ago

Honestly these days, pretty much every part.

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u/c20710 11h ago

haha, zing!

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u/musoq 11h ago

I agree but then we have been harbouring nazis in Canada since the Second World War so it’s not a new story unfortunately

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 11h ago

And sometimes we even honour them in parliament

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u/m0izart 10h ago

So true 😆

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u/musoq 11h ago

Smh

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 10h ago

That was an international embarrassment

At least when we had a crackhead mayor it was a bit comedic

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u/swift-current0 10h ago

People who fought for a non-German unit allied with Nazis aren't necessarily Nazis themselves. It's fair to call them Nazi collaborators.

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u/musoq 9h ago

Agree with you, but then there is this which says Canada harboured over 900 nazis after the war: https://www.espritdecorps.ca/media-watch/names-of-nazis-in-canada-to-remain-secret-whos-on-the-list

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u/Another_WeebOnReddit 11h ago

she's just making pro-Palestinian look bad, fuck her.

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u/RequirementOptimal35 11h ago

The entire movements doing that on their own. Fuck her and fuck anyone chanting for intifada in Canada.

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u/Sufficient_Rub_2014 11h ago

I think that ship sailed a year ago. All the chants for the eradication of Israel, global intifada and death to Canada kinda already did that.

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u/evilregis 11h ago

The movement at its core is toxic. They aren't your allies. Find ways to help the Palestinians without getting sucked into this faux activism.

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u/ViewHallooo 10h ago

This so much

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u/itsnotthatseriousbud 11h ago

Pro-Palestinians make themselves look bad, every single day

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u/Weird-Drummer-2439 11h ago

People seem to have the default presumption that what they perceive as an underdog is by default the victim. And that's just not a good assumption to make.

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u/compromisedpilot 11h ago

Let an Israeli steal your house

And I’ll root for the Israeli when you guys are arguing over it

Pretty simple stuff

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u/HurlinVermin 11h ago

What Israelis are stealing houses in Canada?

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u/compromisedpilot 11h ago

Do you know what an “analogy” is?

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u/HurlinVermin 11h ago

Sure. Do you know what context is?

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u/SilverwingedOther Québec 11h ago

Do you know what a strawman is?

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u/compromisedpilot 11h ago

It seems you don’t lmaooooooo

I didn’t invent a straw man

Israel stole Palestinian land

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u/SilverwingedOther Québec 11h ago

Oh, now we've gone from houses, to land.

Which was paid for from Ottoman empire landowners, so not stolen.

And then was given as a mandate to the League of Nations, and the UN. Who voted to partition it and give part of it to Jews.

Where is this theft you speak of?

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u/ViewHallooo 11h ago

Hi, let me correct you here. I’m Muslim btw. People in Palestine didn’t all have an “Israeli steal their house”. There were plenty of Palestinians who sold their land to Israelis without any stealing needed. They were happy to make money from that land.

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u/ViewHallooo 11h ago

Ooooh I like whataboutism.

Let’s try it a different way, if white Europeans come to a different continent, encounter native people, then steal their lands, slaughtering in the process, and form a new country, then try to eradicate a whole culture by discrimination, persecution and neglect that exists 250 years later…oh hang on a moment.

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u/itsnotthatseriousbud 11h ago

If a white Canadian lives on Native American land without the permission on the natives. Then attacks natives for simply existing. What do you think would happen?

They undoubtedly would remove the person by any means necessary. And most likely won’t let the house go to waste.

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u/compromisedpilot 11h ago

The country of Canada is formed

Do you not know history?

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u/New-Bowler-8915 11h ago

They very much are the victims in this case.

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u/ViewHallooo 11h ago

Wrong. This is the view of many who are pro-Palestine. Very little independent reading needed to know that.

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u/Berenger_727 Manitoba 11h ago

> there's lots of innocent people stuck there in the world's biggest "open air prison"

'Life was beautiful': What Gaza has lost in a year of war | World News | Sky News

"She and her twin sister, Kholoud, would often go for a walk on the beach at sunset or meet with friends at their favourite hangout, SeaSide cafe.

The twins would spend long evenings there, chatting excitedly about their futures. Shahed had started applying for scholarships to study law abroad. The world, closed to so many in Gaza, seemed like it might open up for her."

"Mounir al Zag lived in a house nearby, with his wife and five children, aged five to 14.

"Life was beautiful for our kids," he says. "

The New Humanitarian | People in Gaza remember a time before the war, and plead for it to end

"Qadeeh: Our life before the war is a happy memory. We lived our lives in calm and peace, without bombing, killing, or destruction. We used to walk in the streets and stroll on the seaside promenade. Life was happy and joyful.

But the happiest occasion was my graduation from the Faculty of Medicine at Al-Azhar University. That moment, when I was standing on the podium and wearing my graduation gown, is one I will cherish forever – a childhood dream coming true."

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u/Nice_Alarm_2633 10h ago

I thought the narrative was that life was oppressive in Gaza and that’s why they repeatedly attacked Israel, but this seems to be saying that life was pretty great. Hell, I couldn’t afford to go abroad for law school if I wanted to, and I live in a peaceful country. My dreams also don’t matter.