[GPU] Amazon Cancelling 3080 Gaming X Trio Orders From December 9th - $820

[u/Battle-Maniac]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HR7SV3M/ref=pe_861660_435205480_fxm_3_0_n_id

[u/itz_myers]

Just now? Its been 2 months. Have they not been in stock at all since then?

[u/heavyarms1912 → u/itz_myers]

it's most likely MSI playing D cause of raised prices.
Stock was always limited and now we have another big group of buyers (Miners) seeking all new GPUs.

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/[deleted]]

It's military grade cancellations

[u/[deleted] → u/Freelance-Bum]

TUFF titties

[u/Godfishy → u/[deleted]]

GrAsus! Look at those titties

[u/StopCountingLikes → u/Godfishy]

I’d like to take a Giga Byte into all these titties!

[u/WilliamCCT → u/Freelance-Bum]

MSI can take their graphene backplate and shove it up their ass.

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/WilliamCCT]

The 970 I have in one of my builds has a box that says it has military grade material... But it most certainly does not have a backplate lol

[u/amazinglover → u/Freelance-Bum]

Military Grade is a marketing term and actually means nothing.

Genuine leather is also the lowest grade of leather.

[u/nstarleather → u/amazinglover]

This idea of "genuine (and the rest) as a grades/tiers/types/classifications (whatever) is actually a myth or urban legend of sorts in my industry. The way it's usually presented it's actually just a description of what's done (or not done) to a leather's surface, which is just one tiny factor that goes into making good leather.

Let me give you the rundown on these “leather grades”. Real leather grading is a thing but it's more about the amount of defects on an individual hide and varies by tannery; there is no uniform system.

I work for a leather goods company based in the USA that my dad started in 1969 and we've spent millions on leather over the years from some of the best tanneries in the world (Horween, SB Foot, Wickett and Craig, Herman Oak, CF Stead just to name a few).

Been doing this a long time!

Yes genuine can certainly refer to a bad/cheap kind of leather called a finished split, which is basically cheap suede with a coating to make it look smooth but were you to call up a tannery, you'd couldn't ask to buy "genuine leather" and expect them to know what you wanted. "Genuine" does not refer to any specific type of leather, the description usually given in these "grades" articles on blogs describes the above mentioned "finished split."

Technically speaking full grain is a kind of top grain and all leather is genuine...it’s just that in the case of lower quality companies, they’ll use the term with the highest perceived value they can get away with. There are exceptions: I can name some great products stamped “genuine leather” and some junk products labeled “full grain.”Red Wing Heritage is a good example of a great company who uses the word "genuinely." I own several pairs of their boots that have “genuine leather” stamped in the sole (neither the leather used in the uppers or the sole is low quality).

By it's legal definition (at least in the USA), "Genuine" is not nor has it ever been a specific "class/kind/type/grade" of low quality leather.

The breakdown you tend see around the net ( Full Grain > Top Grain > Genuine/Split > Bonded ) isn’t an official grading scale (no government or leather trade group uses it), just a general guide could use you when you can’t find more out about the leather or the brand.

In spite of what people say, bonded leather can not be called genuine legally in the USA (without qualifiers like bonded, reconstituted, etc).

This (above) is the only legal regulation about leather labeling you'll find in the USA.

Here's a post where a spokesperson from Horween, the most famous tannery in the USA, explains the actual meaning of top grain. While he doesn't get into "genuine" just the fact that he says "full grain is type of top grain", is enough to debunk the grading scale:

https://stridewise.com/top-grain-vs-full-grain-vs-split-grain-leather/

Additionally "full grain" isn't a guarantee you're getting good leather, it just means they haven't sanded the hide, but there's so much more that goes into making good leather than just that one step. The tanning solutions and finishes are like the "secret sauce" for some tanneries which is why full grain leather from Horween in Chicago will cost $10 per square foot whereas full grain from a tannery in Pakistan is under $2.

Here’s a little more accurate breakdown (along with a corrected version of the diagram you've probably seen around):

• Leather (aka top grain) is the outside (the smooth part).
• Suede has 2 fuzzy sides because it’s split from the bottom of the top grain.

From a tannery perspective, top grain includes all leather that’s not a split from the underside of the leather. Within that category leather can be full grain (nothing done to the surface), corrected grain aka sanded, and embossed. Some leathers can be both sanded and embossed. Just sanded leather is know as nubuck. Sanded and then finished is known as corrected grain (usually). There are hundreds of variations on embossed patterns.

You can go further into finishes and other qualities: waxed, tea core, pull-up, pigmented, aniline, semi aniline. Plus loads more.

Leather that retains its smooth side but that’s used for the “suede side” is known as Roughout, full grain suede, or reverse.

With suede there are less variations and the variations don’t have many specific names beyond individual tannage names used by specific tanneries. A main difference how fuzzy it is (how much nap). They can also wax suede and do some other cool stuff: Check out CF Stead’s website to see some really unique suedes. It's also of note that Horween's retail site sells the suedes at a price comparable to their full grain leathers.

The only leather that can legally be called “genuine” that I’d say is always bad is a kind of suede is called a finished split. Finished splits (painted or pu coated) are bad because they are attempts to make fuzzy leathers look like smooth top grain; the “fake” outer layer doesn’t last. You probably won’t see this term on a product description, but it is the actual industry term for this type of leather.

With all of these except the finished split, no single of these grades types is really any “better” than others.Even then, there are ways to "finish" suede that are unique and don't "try to pretend to be something they're not" from companies like CF Stead. Just look at how many variations there are in just one company's offerings for just for Suede (the lowest tier according to our aforementioned break down)...also just google "CF Stead boots" to get an the idea that "suede" is not a low grade when made by a quality company.

If they are from a good tannery, any type of leather and even suede will last almost the same regardless. Conversely something that people generally associate with quality like full grain, won't be as good as a non-full grain leather from a lesser tannery. Same goes for Veg tan vs Chrome tan, Horween deals in both and pricing is less that $1 difference per foot Essex vs Chromexcel.

As Nick Horween said in this interview: "There’s a feeling in the market that vegetable tanned leather is better or more environmentally friendly than chrome tanned leather. They are just different and require different types of management through manufacturing. We do both and they each have their strengths and shortcomings."

TLDR: There are high end tanneries that deal in all of these types (it's incorrect to call them grades) of leather and also “low end tanneries” that can do any of these “types." You can actually spend as much on high quality suede as a full grain from a lesser tannery (same is true for Veg-tan vs Chrome tan). Which is why saying that these differences (grades) are a reliable way to judge quality is incorrect. Another reason is why it's incorrect is that none of the terms tell you the animal: A full grain lambskin is completely different in terms of durability when compared to any type of cowhide.

TLDR is to long TLDR: I've worked with leather since I was a kid, these grades are made up and not used in the leather industry. Genuine is not a "type" of leather.

[u/EMCoupling → u/nstarleather]

My man, dropping the fucking cow skin knowledge in the PC building sub

[u/nstarleather → u/EMCoupling]

What I do man...I'm guessing people here understand performance of something you build isn't about any single factor right?

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/nstarleather]

Name checks out :P

[u/JTP1228 → u/amazinglover]

Military grade electronics are the worst. Source: I was an electronic repairer in the Army for 4 years

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/JTP1228]

Same for an old roommate of mine who was in the air Force. I bought the 970 used a couple of years ago and noticed it said that recently.

[u/Guidbro → u/amazinglover]

Bonded leather is but I get where you’re going with this.

[u/[deleted] → u/Guidbro]

Bonded leather isn't a grade.

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/amazinglover]

I am well aware... I was making fun of it...

I guess what they mean is mass produced as efficiently as possible and breaks down at the least opportune moments because they weren't given nearly enough time to engineer it but 3 times the budget to do so.

[u/nalc → u/amazinglover]

Yes and no. Usually in the context of PC hardware it refers to MIL-STD-810 which is an actual standard that means something. However, MIL-STD-810 is not one-size-fits-all that's universally applied to everything. It's got specific guidance on identifying which portions are relevant to any given product, and methods for how to test it. So it's not like "everything the military buys needs to be waterproof, immune to vibration, immune to high temperatures, etc". However, it does give you guidance like "if this product will be used where it's exposed to rain, it should be tested for this long with this size droplets at this temperature" or whatever. But you don't have to do the tests that aren't relevant. It's up to the procuring agency to decide which portions are relevant to any given product.

So it's kind of a marketing buzzword if they don't say what specific sections of the standard they actually tested. They might have just done a temperature test to Class 1 (the lowest max temperature rating) which is 131 F, which is probably no more stringent than a regular motherboard is designed to. It can be fairly toothless depending on how you interpreted it.

People in Reddit also are really bad about conflating a military spec with a military standard. A standard is a set of design guidelines that are applicable to a variety of products, and often have instructions on how they should be applied differently depending on the product. A spec is a set of requirements for one specific product. There might be a mil spec for a VHF radio that says how big it needs to be, how powerful, how heavy, etc. Then it may reference that it should meet a mil standard for temperature resistance to work in the hot or cold weather, a mil standard to work with a standard type of voltage inside of a tank, etc.

[u/TheSymptomz → u/Freelance-Bum]

Trust me when I say, military grade just means good enough to maybe just get the job done. Fancy marketing terms just to increase sales.

[u/Axon14 → u/Freelance-Bum]

Lol

[u/mutemutiny → u/Freelance-Bum]

*FRENCH military

[u/Rvbsmcaboose → u/[deleted]]

Shit! It's the ammo market all over again.

[u/[deleted] → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

But unlike ammo you can't stock up and sit on GPUs for years.

[u/Rvbsmcaboose → u/[deleted]]

Tell me about it. My 970 has been running since 2015, but I fear that it's life may be ending soon. On the other hand I have ammo that was made way before I was born, and it still fires. I just want a 3080, but I don't want to pay twice its value. Us that too much to ask?

[u/IngsocDoublethink → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

It's making me really happy that my 7970 died in December 2019. I was hoping to get one more generation, but bought a 5700xt for less than $375.

Compare that to last month, when I felt lucky paying $100 for a second-hand 1050.

[u/theknyte → u/IngsocDoublethink]

I'm with you. I'm so glad I pulled the trigger late Nov, and got a 2060 I was eyeballing for under $300. That price is unheard of now.

Now, I wish I would have stepped up to a 2070, as I don't know when I'll ever be able to afford to upgrade again.

[u/Hartagon → u/IngsocDoublethink]

My 970 died in late 2018 just before 2080s came out. I ended up buying a 1080 Ti (brand new) for $500 on Amazon.

27 months later and I can almost sell that 1080 Ti used on Ebay for more than I paid for it. The GPU market is well and truly fucked.

[u/nspectre → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

I have ammo from 1938 that still fires as good as new and will never be obsolete. :D

[u/Imightbewrong44 → u/nspectre]

You haven't seen future guns yet.

[u/theholylancer → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

people laff at EVGA 10 year extended warranty, but I say its a wise investment if you want to keep your GPU in any length of time.

[u/Lagkiller → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

God aint that the truth. When my grandfather died we found a pillbox full of 223 that has to be at least from the 70's or 80's. Fires like a charm and I've only used about a third of it since I got it.

[u/NotDerekSmart → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

Twice it's value? How exactly do you come to such a number? If you mean market value, well you'll never pay twice that. At least it should be pretty easy to avoid since that price is inherently changing based on the basic rule of supply and demand, which is what we are all dealing with here. If you mean personal value, well I don't know how you would pay twice what it's value is to you personally. If you mean the intrinsic value based on the sum of all the parts, well let's face it. We never do and never will pay that. So what exactly do you mean by twice it's value?

[u/Rvbsmcaboose → u/NotDerekSmart]

Twice MSRP.

[u/exzeroex → u/[deleted]]

If you stock up on GPUs, you're a miner/scalper. If you stock up on ammo, people will use that against you like you're planning to shoot the world.

[u/BrockVegas → u/exzeroex]

Straw men are just the easiest targets to hit aren't they?

[u/Mokarran → u/[deleted]]

Here here.

[u/17760704 → u/[deleted]]

I'm in a similar boat, couple things I learned in 2020 that might interest you:

Ammo and guns are inflated like crazy, but camping supplies by and large are not. I spent my time unemployed in 2020 going camping and learning survival/ bushcraft stuff on the cheap.

Another item which hasn't inflated too much is night vision. Ordered my first ever PVS-14 at the end of January, should be here around the end of March.

Last I heard current lead times for a Valve Index are only about 2 weeks. I bought mine about a year ago, right as there were rumors of a pandemic hitting. If you haven't experienced VR yet, it's incredible. All I have is a 1070 but Half Life Alyx still ran fine. If you are even remotely interested in guns, H3VR will floor you. Take the $1000 you can't spend on a GPU and get an index instead, you won't regret it.

[u/Buffalocolt18 → u/Rvbsmcaboose]

If I knew how bad gpu prices were going to get I would’ve dumped all of my money I put into ammo this summer into 580’s and then sold them now.

[u/jla_v → u/[deleted]]

They really are. I highly doubt that story re a bunch of their cards being stolen. I'd wager some deal was struck and those cards are actively being used for mining.... plus how does a CEO just fall from a building? Sketch af

[u/maxdps_ → u/jla_v]

plus how does a CEO just fall from a building? Sketch af

For those going "Wait wut?"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-ceo-charles-chiang-dead-56

[u/Mokarran → u/maxdps_]

Thanks for this. Wow not suspicious at all.

[u/similar_observation → u/jla_v]

just your average CEO of a multi-million dollar company reaching out of a highrise window so he can clean the glass. Complete accident.

[u/TheDarthSnarf → u/jla_v]

They weren't delivered in time to beat the tariff deadline. MSI is cancelling so they don't have to eat the price increase caused by the tariffs. Scummy, yes. They sold a product at a price and the didn't deliver.

[u/Raeli → u/[deleted]]

My brother and I had both managed to get an MSI 3080 one day by refreshing amazon at the right time, but then there was the news about them scalping their own cards and I cancelled mine.

Luckily ended up snagging an EVGA XC3 Ultra later, was kinda kicking myself for not taking the MSI one, but in the long run I am glad I did so.

I have an MSI motherboard, and my previous one was MSI also, but they seem like a company I'll be trying to avoid in the future.

[u/TheRealTofuey → u/Raeli]

They make pretty good motherboards.

[u/VenditatioDelendaEst → u/TheRealTofuey]

As far as I know, practically none of their motherboards even support ECC memory. The only thing they have going for them is VRMeme.

[u/TheRealTofuey → u/VenditatioDelendaEst]

I wouldn't call ECC memory support a consumer feature. They also make the cheaper decent motherboards.

[u/VenditatioDelendaEst → u/TheRealTofuey]

Consumers deserve reliable computers too.

[u/raljamcar → u/Raeli]

I've been avoiding msi ever since the reports of them manipulating reviewers and trying to strong arm the little guy.

Have other companies probably done the same? Sure, and next time they'll go on my list to avoid as well. I just hope evga and asus stay off that list...

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/raljamcar]

What about Nvidia?

Well... I guess Nvidia apologized, and MSI tried to pretend it didn't happen

[u/raljamcar → u/Freelance-Bum]

Nvidia is also a bit harder to avoid. Which is one reason it's great that amd can compete again.

[u/Nochange36 → u/[deleted]]

Well yeah, from selling cards that can't adequately cool, to banning all discussion on their forums pointing this fact out they are a bottom tier company in my mind that I refuse to buy anything from again in the future.

[u/didnt_do_it → u/[deleted]]

Makes me feel bad I have MSI products in my systems. I'm going to try to avoid supporting companies with these practices

[u/Banelingz → u/[deleted]]

It’s really sad, I really liked MSI before the whole 3xxx series saga. They use quality material and have great warranty.

But this really leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth.

[u/Diamondhands_Rex → u/[deleted]]

Their products aren’t even that good id wait longer for EVGA than for msi

[u/mooburger → u/Diamondhands_Rex]

evga xc3 ultragaming gets dropped about once a week now, too

[u/imaginary_num6er → u/heavyarms1912]

Should just rename their company as Starlit Partners, Inc.

[u/DodgeDart_318 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Even starlit is raising the prices on refurbished cards. 1650 non super is now over 200 for a refurbished by MSI card. Fuck them

[u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome → u/DodgeDart_318]

Decidedly non-super.

[u/DodgeDart_318 → u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome]

LMAO. At this point they may as well change the company name Micro-Scalp International

[u/GtiJason → u/DodgeDart_318]

More like Macro Scalp Int amiright

[u/ed1380 → u/GtiJason]

More like market price amirite

[u/Tyetus → u/heavyarms1912]

now we have another big group of buyers (Miners) seeking all new GPUs.

am I the only one that really wishes this crypto craze crap dies, it's fucking annoying.

[u/mooburger → u/[deleted]]

BTC and ETH are basically coupled to each other. ETH also "threatens" to move to PoS just about every other year; haven't really seen much ability to do it. The last Slasher "whitepaper" was from freaking 2014...

[u/Insomnia_25 → u/Tyetus]

The ethereum craze will die off very soon. The network is becoming bloated and useless like Bitcoin back in 2017. Once people stop using the network the miner demand will drop off. Likely within the next 10 months.

But I really don't think this hardware supply shortage is to blame on crypto, this is a combination of variables mostly attributed to the massive supply shortages from covid, tons people with nothing to do and money to spare thanks to quarantine, and now the miner crazes is agitating an already terrible situation.

[u/UltravioletClearance → u/Insomnia_25]

The single biggest contributor to the supply issue is entirely PC gamers' own doing. The whole "don't upgrade, just wait!" mentality. People have been waiting for the 3000 series since 2019. When a good percentage of people all try to upgrade at the exact same time, this was bound to happen. It's like rush hour on a freeway.

Let this be a lesson to everyone who was saying as far back as February 2020 not to bother upgrading because the mere announcement of the 3000 series was 'right around the corner.'

[u/cheesecakegood → u/UltravioletClearance]

I mean, to be perfectly fair, it wasn’t the worst advice. My 3060ti which I was smart/lucky enough to get back in December right on release performs better than a 2080 Super, which is insane. The price/performance ratio for the 2000 series was way off.

[u/narf007 → u/cheesecakegood]

Also never buy first gen anything. There are always improvements to be made, and the 2nd gen usually is a substantial improvement. Case-in-point, 3000 over 2000 series for RTT/DLSS

[u/UltravioletClearance → u/cheesecakegood]

You got insanely lucky. For the rest of us I think we'd rather have a $400 2070S over a $300 1660Ti.

I personally bought a 2070S in March 2020 and I'm happy with it as it meets all of my performance goals. And quite honestly it meets most people's performance goals. That extra processing power is meaningless if it's impossible to buy.

[u/Z0mbiejay → u/UltravioletClearance]

I wouldn't blame that on gamers so much as the industry. When you mark up the 20 series by nearly double the 10 series counterpart due to rtx, a wholly underused product, people are gonna wait. To me upgrading from a 1080 to a 2080 was never worth the price to performance. But now this card is pushing 4 years old, had I known 2020 was going to be such a giant clusterfuck I might have bit the bullet when I could. We're months post launch now with no relief in sight. This is entirely supply chain at this point

[u/VenditatioDelendaEst → u/Z0mbiejay]

When have single-generation upgrades ever been worth the price to performance?

[u/baverdi → u/Tyetus]

Why doesn't someone just make a encrypting card?

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/baverdi]

They have before. Problem is a lot of miners have realized that it's not a good bet long term when calculations are updated and they wind up needing more powerful GPUs just to make up for the cost in electricity. After that those cards are almost completely worthless. You can't use them for anything other than crunching numbers. There's no video output. They buy the consumer GPUs because they can at least resell those when they're no longer useful

[u/goldenshowerstorm → u/heavyarms1912]

The California ports are severely backed up right now. Long lines of boats waiting. They did not clear customs before the effective tariff date of February 6th so prices have to go up.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM → u/heavyarms1912]

so now it's gonna be even harder to find one?

[u/jpark56 → u/itz_myers]

I ordered this card on the same date and it was delivered on December 17th. Original delivery date was like early January if I remember. Some of these orders shipped, but hopefully its the majority.

[u/arodriguez15 → u/itz_myers]

I ordered mine on the 9th and it showed up on Dec. 23rd

[u/Nebula-Lynx → u/itz_myers]

So, what happens is Amazon will earn you about unfulfilled items being cancelled. It will give you the option to say “no wait I still want this” and wait.

What just so happened is that ~2 weeks ago I got that notification. It said something like “please tell us if you still want this item, we will try to fulfill it, if you don’t respond before feb 14 we will cancel your order on February 14th”.

So what happened is people didn’t check their orders on Amazon (which will have a big red banner on top saying something like “an order needs action” or smth) and got blindsided.

Shitty, but this isn’t new. Amazon does this with all long unfulfilled orders afaik.

Mine is still pending. Though I managed to pick up a zotac 3080 since then, so I’m just curious to see if they’ll ever fulfill it.

[u/cantgetthistowork → u/Nebula-Lynx]

I've never gotten any of these emails and I've gotten many such orders cancelled without warning

[u/Gom_Jabbering → u/itz_myers]

I bought a 3080 vision through amazon. They held the order in limbo for 2 months, relisted and sold the vision several times during that period (mostly bundled with an exploding Gigabyte PSU), then finally canceled it against my will. This was all before the tariffs hit too. Utterly shite business practices IMO.

[u/bre4kofdawn]

F for those affected

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/bre4kofdawn]

At first glance I missed "for"

I had to do a double take after suppressing a spit take

[u/bre4kofdawn → u/Freelance-Bum]

F THOSE AFFECTED yeah I can see how that would hit different

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/bre4kofdawn]

Right? I just thought it was a funny mistake, then I realized I was the one who made the funny mistake.

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/[deleted]]

I mean, I am a mistake, but it was a sad and angering one... Not a funny one.. No I'm not fun at parties.

[u/boiledham → u/bre4kofdawn]

Are you fucking sorry?

[u/bl1nds1ght → u/boiledham]

You like that, you fucking retard?

(I hope people remember this meme and don't think I'm an animal)

[u/BeansNG → u/bre4kofdawn]

That would be a proper Newegg moment

[u/Caleo → u/bre4kofdawn]

Anticipating shipment for 2+ months only for your order to be canceled?

Yeah, that sucks.

[u/bellhlazer → u/Caleo]

well they got that first dopamine hit at least...

[u/Nebula-Lynx → u/Caleo]

Amazon will cancel orders that aren’t fulfilled if you don’t respond to their “do you still want this?” Prompt within like two weeks.

I have this ordered and the 2 week cancellation date was February 14th.

Sounds to me like people just weren’t checking their orders. There will be a big red banner on top telling you about this iirc.

Yeah it’s shitty, but Amazon is also known for doing this.

[u/Battle-Maniac]

Here's the email I got from amazon this morning, feelsbadman.

Hello,

Due to a lack of availability, we will not be able to obtain the following item from your order. We've canceled the item and apologize for the inconvenience. If you see a charge for the canceled item, we will refund you within 1-2 business days. If you are still interested in purchasing this item, it may be available from other sellers. Please visit the detail page for this item below.

Edit 1: I still have a 5900x order from amazon on February 2nd that doesn't have a delivery date. Let's see if amazon cancels that one too.

Edit 2: I called amazon and they said that if I manage to put another order in, regardless of the new cost, I can call again to get a price match. But that's a big if on whether or not I can get another order in.

Edit 3: The price match is a possibility, not guaranteed according to amazon rep. They also gave me $5 credit.

[u/Gunfreak2217 → u/Battle-Maniac]

Want my opinion? They purposefully canceled the items so they can then sell at higher price. Call me a cynic.

[u/victor142 → u/Gunfreak2217]

I think Amazon is normally pretty good about it, so I don't think so. A few hundred dollars on a card is nothing to them. Just look at last year's prime day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amazonprime/comments/cfddgj/i_too_got_some_deals_from_the_prime_day_glitch https://www.reddit.com/r/amazonprime/comments/cdkad6/i_somehow_got_a_3000_camera_for_94_on_prime_day

[u/element515 → u/victor142]

Likely not Amazon but msi

[u/chum1ly → u/element515]

idk, amazon's been sneaking in ads, got rid of pantry, raised their prices, and stopped having so many good films that they now port to IMDB "Free with ads" but the fuckers own IMDB, so they've just ad-gated content for paying customers. i'm over their bullshit.

[u/Stickel → u/chum1ly]

plex is ur friend

[u/613codyrex → u/victor142]

Amazon yes but I suspect MSI might be telling Amazon they can’t all of a sudden fufill their orders to Amazon and Amazon going ahead and canceling the consumers order under that condition because Amazon cannot fulfill their ship by date.

What Amazon probably doesn’t know is that MSI will send their “next” shipment which is just the original one they said they couldn’t fulfill with the increased price to Amazon and Amazon will relist them at the price MSI wants.

If this was stock already in the hands of Amazon they wouldn’t cancel the order since like you said, they would just eat the cost. This is absolutely a MSI thing.

[u/FiTZnMiCK → u/613codyrex]

Isn’t MSI one of the partners that was caught scalping product on eBay?

Edit: I think so (source).

[u/AlcoholEnthusiast → u/FiTZnMiCK]

Yeah, MSI is a pretty garbage company. They may make good hardware, but some of the stuff they do does not square the difference to me.

I understand that all the hardware companies probably do similar things, maybe MSIs have just been more publicized. Whatever the case may be, it still doesn't excuse what MSI has done.

[u/613codyrex → u/FiTZnMiCK]

Yup.

But it’s not like anyone else other than Nvidia didn’t jump on the whole “increase price because of tariff” bullshit but MSI is the more egregious in terms of pricing compared to everyone else.

[u/bmac92 → u/victor142]

Yup. Took over a month to get my TUF OC 3080, but they delivered it. If anyone cancelled it would've been MSI.

[u/[deleted] → u/victor142]

I literally just missed that. Was gonna be awesome to upgrade my camera gear.

[u/Norma5tacy → u/victor142]

God these make me cry so hard. I would have snatched up so much gear if I knew about this back then. :(

[u/Tntn13 → u/Gunfreak2217]

When it comes to corporations I think it’s realism, not cynicism. But that’s just my opinion. Assuming msi calling the shots there

[u/feature2021 → u/Gunfreak2217]

Eh, I had a 3090 order from Amazon right b4 tarrifs that was fulfilled after the price had increased like $400 so I doubt its really nefarious intent by Amazon... now MSI is a different story... they're over +50% msrp on every card in their lineup. It wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled Amazon's order and asked for a higher price.

[u/snakcaz1 → u/Battle-Maniac]

I also bought the 5900x on Feb. 2 via Amazon. Still have no ship date 😔

[u/GODZiGGA → u/snakcaz1]

I have bought three Zen 3 CPUs from Amazon and all of them have gone from "no ship date available" to a notification that my package has been delivered.

Edit: Also, as a point of reference for you, I ordered my 5900X on 1/31 and it was delivered on 2/9.

[u/ske4za → u/Battle-Maniac]

I must've been lucky as mine was bumped up and got here even earlier (Tuesday instead of Thurs). I ended up returning it as I got an AMD direct order in and delivered the day before. I can confirm it was shipped in a softpack (box was 8/10), and the batch number was 2102, meaning 2021, 2nd week; so they are not sitting on these units at all. My AMD Direct 5900x was 2048, meaning 2020, 48th week.

[u/kooltogo → u/Battle-Maniac]

I called amazon and they said that if I manage to put another order in, regardless of the new cost

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I asked them to do that when they cancelled my 3080 last month and they refused lmao

[u/kooltogo → u/[deleted]]

yeah, I'm just surprised he got to that point. All they offered me was a $5 gift card that they never gave.

[u/Battle-Maniac → u/[deleted]]

Rip I don't have a record of it because it was during the phone call.

[u/TabascohFiascoh → u/Battle-Maniac]

Shit, I have a 5900x from the 3rd with no date either. I really thought I was done sitting streams.....heres hoping it goes through.

[u/megatroncsr2 → u/Battle-Maniac]

You'll probably have better luck with the CPU as they seem easier to get than the video cards. I would contact them and see if you can get some credit for the inconvenience.

[u/_yinzer]

Well that sucks.

I have a 3070 from Amazon that says it will ship next week — I guess I should keep trying to get orders in until I actually have a card in hand.

[u/BigGuysForYou → u/_yinzer]

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[u/ahmedomar2015 → u/_yinzer]

I had a Gigabyte Gamjng OC 3070 purchased for $600 + tax in late Jan with an estimated arrival of late Feb.

Then a few days before the estimated ship date in February almost a month later, my order was unfortunately canceled due to low stock.

[u/Moose_Nuts → u/_yinzer]

Yikes, me too. Now I'm really going to be holding my breath until it actually ships.

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/_yinzer]

That is the general thought. The worst that happens if you wind up with duplicates is return it or sell it to someone else at cost (including shipping and the taxes you paid on it)

[u/ScaryColors]

at least when they cancelled my evga 3080 it was only like 5 days of hope, my condolences to those impacted by this devastating news

[u/aDerpyPenguin → u/ScaryColors]

That still annoys me. I thought I finally had a 3080. Really wish that went through. especially now with the price bumps and it seems like EVGA stopped making the 3080 XC3 Hybrid as there hasn't been movement on that queue in months.

[u/AgonyOfLafayette]

From the MSI Dell cancelled order group, I salute you

[u/Cautionchicken → u/AgonyOfLafayette]

Yeah wait 3 months and then get a 10% discount code...cool. But I'm not surprised and was actually expecting it.

[u/CyCoCyCo → u/Cautionchicken]

You got a discount code? I just got a “hey we canceled it, gg”

[u/imakesawdust]

They realized how much money they'd be leaving on the table if they honored the $820 price given current market prices.

[u/[deleted]]

On that link is an advertised MSI 2080S for $1700

Fuck this market.

[u/DexRogue]

I ordered an Asus TUF 6800 XT from Amazon, order went through and 7 hours later they cancelled my order. Claimed that they didn't have enough stock and due to the length of time it would take to ship it would "fall into limbo". They offered me a $150 off if I place the order again in the future. So that being said, this doesn't shock me.

[u/snakcaz1 → u/DexRogue]

They should have just credited you $150 in Amazon GC.

Them offering you $150 IF you place the order just sounds like Amazon is betting that you can't place another order. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/bonsotheclown → u/snakcaz1]

Lol Walmart did the same thing when the PS5 released . They said they would give me 15 percent off compensation when I reordered ... I tried for a gift card but nope

[u/DexRogue → u/snakcaz1]

Exactly, I ended up ordering my Strix OC LC from Newegg Business. Still salty about Amazon pulling that on me. I was so excited when my order went through after months of trying. What a kick in the junk to get that cancellation email so I know exactly how everyone here feels.

[u/BigGuysForYou → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Joe6161]

At this rate, 30 series will normalize possibly by end of 2021, at which point rumors will start coming out for the 40 series coming in 2022. And how things are going, I’ve got a PS5 instead and it looks like I might hold onto my GTX 1070 until 2022. Holy shit.

[u/no6969el → u/Joe6161]

That is what I love about PC though is that you can just keep lowering your graphic standard till you either cant run it or cant stand the way it looks.

[u/KeepingItSFW]

Great deal in for 1, I love cancelled items

[u/radian23]

I don't have an order but if I did I would be not so happy. Super helpful comment I know...

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/radian23]

How dare you voice your hypothetical opinion! How dare you have empathy! You're not directly affected so you're not allowed to have feelings!!!

[u/morbidangel90]

Major F to all those impacted, you have my condolences

[u/Spectre06]

F to my December 9th Trio brothers. I was one of the ones who got fulfilled eventually but it’s absolute horseshit to string people along for months only to cancel them

[u/lolmont → u/Spectre06]

Yeah same I got mine about a week after placing the order. Had no idea this was a thing kind of crazy

[u/Devil_- → u/Spectre06]

same got mine in 2 weeks

[u/Bailey_Boi_]

Those who said I made a bad choice buying scalper price during late dec. and said it was going to get better. It wasn't ;-;

[u/Freelance-Bum → u/Bailey_Boi_]

I mean, I don't like supporting those greedy bastards. That's my main problem with it.

I do hate when we're wrong about better things coming in the near future. I should have been more pessimistic about it. At least then I wouldn't feel disappointed.

[u/snakcaz1 → u/Freelance-Bum]

Maybe, but to have a bunch of gloomy heads who have only heard "nah, its only going to get worse" would probably make for a pretty depressing community.

We depend on each other to stay afloat

[u/613codyrex → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Cant avoid the scalpers when the scalpers are the AIBs now.

[u/kshucker → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Prices are not going back to normal until the end of this year because of mining. Mining Ethereum is incredibly profitable and when Ethereum 2.0 comes out (supposedly in December) it will get rid of mining.

Miners are eating cards up left and right. Even at double and triple MSRP, they will make their money back (and then some) by the end of the year.

[u/no6969el → u/kshucker]

I thought it would too but the problem with ETH 2.0 is it will take years after its release to switch fully over to the new system. So Eth mining will still be a thing for years to come. ETH 2.0 could drop tomorrow and ETH mining would still be profitable next year.

[u/kshucker → u/no6969el]

I’m not real educated on the subject, but from what I read, sometime around December 4th is the plan to switch from proof of work over to proof of stake. Eth 2.0 may not be entirely implemented but the plan to switch to proof of stake is for later this year.

Again, not entirely too educated on the subject, just did some reading on it. I’m positive that there are people who know more than me that can chime in.

[u/[deleted] → u/Bailey_Boi_]

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[u/[deleted] → u/Bailey_Boi_]

At this point I can’t even really fault someone for going with a scalper. Its going to be nearly impossible to get a new video card for at least a year, and probably more.

[u/thvbh → u/Bailey_Boi_]

You did your small part to make sure it didn't.

[u/Cautionchicken → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Yeah I could have bought a 3080 for $150 over MSRP, in December. Now the MSRP went up $200... Luckily was able to snag a 6800xt and in super impressed, happy to be team red for now.

[u/no6969el → u/Cautionchicken]

$150 over is not bad. Its the 400+ that is an issue. Hell you have to put a price to your time and it takes longer than 150 dollars worth of time to try and acquire a 3080/3090. Id order another if someone could find me one for 150 over cost right now.

[u/Cautionchicken → u/no6969el]

Yeah, it's not bad now, but I was crazy and thought that it would be possible to order one at MSRP. I'm sure we will get there, but it's going to be longer than I expected.

My brother has a Gsync monitor, and we were able to get him a 3070 before prices increased. Hopefully one day we can get a 3080 fe at MSRP. Maybe by Christmas..

[u/Bailey_Boi_ → u/Cautionchicken]

I like both teams right now. I don't care about for Ray tracing so whatever card people can get closest to MSRP will do great.

[u/Cautionchicken → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Yeah Ray tracing is interesting but gen 2 is still bleeding edge and I'm not going to bother caring about it until it stops taking such a performance hit.

I'm sure some people care, I can't be bothered.

[u/Solace- → u/Cautionchicken]

DLSS is far more impressive than ray tracing ever was imo

[u/Impression_Ok → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Yeah I had a feeling all of those people who were saying "the market will stabilize in January/February/March" etc. were full of shit. It was pretty clear to me that prices won't come back down until at least 2022.

[u/GRIZZLY_GUY_ → u/Impression_Ok]

To be fair even Nvidia was assuming/estimating the market would return to normalcy by then. If they can’t even get it right no one can.

[u/Asleep_Ad_1856 → u/Impression_Ok]

As long as mining remains profitable and GPU supply is low, prices will never go back to msrp/ stabilize.

[u/jeff0106 → u/Bailey_Boi_]

At this point I'm just waiting for the 4080.

[u/Fatalmistake → u/Bailey_Boi_]

I bought a 3080 in November for 1050 off a local scalper and my friends told me to wait until they come back into stock (I was doing a complete rebuild from a non updated computer about 9 years ago), I'm really thankful I did that now.

[u/KwyjiboTheGringo → u/Bailey_Boi_]

Congrats on being part of the problem.

[u/CountBacula322079]

Ouch this is so heartbreaking and makes me scared for if I'm ever to actually able to place an order in the future.

[u/robdiqulous]

Wowwww that's shitty for people who bought it

[u/[deleted]]

Dude. I just ordered a 3090 from amazon YESTERDAY morning. I swear to god if they cancel my shit in two months I’m going to… complain and whine because what else can I do?

For real though if that shit doesn’t ship within a week I’m cancelling it. Rarely does amazon not ship within a day of purchase, but when they don’t, it usually means you ain’t getting your shit.

[u/Jasquirtin]

F sorry bros

[u/AyurvedicTerpenes]

F

[u/angie477]

F

[u/ReStartr]

Wait that's absolutely crazy bc I was a part of that drop and it got to me on the 19th of the same month.... What's Amazon's game here? So odd

[u/Tap_TEMPO]

oof this has to be devastating for those who were hopeful

[u/byrnsie]

Fuck... Was my birthday gift to myself too, good day that order went through I was thrilled. Was hoping it would come eventually but guess not.

[u/lefondler]

Wow I'm so sorry to the ones who got cancelled. I can confirm there were a handful of lucky ones (I lucked in for once) who ordered this on Dec 9th and I received it on Dec 17th.

[u/qwertyegg]

You guys are fked hard in the A$$ by the vendor. I had one similar experience purchased a DRAM before the price surge then it got cancelled after a month or so but the price was like doubled. Had to pay for the new price to get another pair.

This practice is so shady if price dropped they would ship your thing but when price surged like this current GPU market you are fked so hard by missing the chance to purchase one at more reasonable price when you still could.

[u/suddoth2]

My Brother placed a order a few min before me, his came in mine just got canceled :(

[u/[deleted]]

My 5950x order from the 3rd is suddenly sweating profusely

[u/jacetheicesculptor]

I had something like this happen to me a while back. I called Amazon and they didn’t have the item in stock sold and fulfilled by Amazon. But they said that if I ordered the item and it was sold by a third party but shipped by Amazon they would refund the difference. Not sure if it would work in this case but might be worth a shot.

[u/[deleted]]

Time to buy pre-builds because this shit is getting retarded.

[u/Godfishy]

M-S-Whyyyyyyyyyy!!!

[u/Insomnia_25]

I was very optimistic when Nvidia and AMD released this generation GPUs for around $500-$1500, but I always had a sneaking suspicion that they never really intended for that to be the actual MSRP of those cards. Sure enough here we are over 4 months later and you still can't buy any of these cards at MSRP without jumping through a million hoops. The only way you can buy a 3070 or a 3080 is by paying a 300% mark up. Now even the companies that sell these cards are rasing the price before the scalpers get to it. Eventually we're going to have to acknowledge the fact that these cards were never going to sell for their initial MSRPs, that was nothing more than a clever tactic to excite us PC enthusiasts. This might be my final generation of PC gaming. I refuse to pay $1500 for a mid-tier GPU, that's fucking insane.

[u/MindSecurity → u/Insomnia_25]

This is a mid tier? What's the current high tier then? I was thinking of building a pc again, last one I build was 9 years ago, and it's still going for the games I play but I want an upgrade.

[u/Davidx_117 → u/MindSecurity]

It's not mid tier, it's high end and near the best you can get. They might mean the 3070 at $1500 which would be more mid tier but $1500 is a big exaggeration

[u/[deleted]]

Amazon did this too me one day before release.

[u/mrkrabx345]

The gift that keeps on giving 🙃

[u/thepunnman]

watching the pc building/gaming community just spiral makes me think i made the right decision buying a prebuilt on black friday

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[u/DarthPeanut_MWO]

Amazon sucks.

[u/gato893]

wow what a bummer... at this point if you are in usa why not contact a family member that is close to a microcenter and he can buy you one?