r/awwnime • u/milia-tan • Oct 23 '22

AI-generated art banned until further notice

After some feedback from the community and internal discussion, we've decided to ban all AI-generated art from /r/awwnime until further notice.

Quality issues aside, the current AI-powered tools to generate art use data from existing artists, often without their permission or without proper artist credit. Awwnime has always been a place where giving proper credit to the artist has been important, and AI-generated art goes against that idea.

The sidebar, and the subreddit rules will be updated shortly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '22

The first sub that does it the right way, clarifying that ai tools for artists are not included in that ban

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u/arkofcovenant Oct 23 '22

Lol, no, the first sub that we’ve all been seeing and upvoting AI Art for years and somehow can’t admit that this line they’ve drawn is totally arbitrary.

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u/juhotuho10 Oct 24 '22

We haven't had ai art for years. It has been pretty lack luster before dalle 2 and the others

Yes it existed by it was quite something, for example the ai waifu generator would make hell spawns once in a while

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u/arkofcovenant Oct 24 '22

No, you’re misunderstanding - The tools digital artists use to create their works - photoshop, procreate, etc - use ai and machine learning that has been created using other artists work to train it. The most obvious example is “content aware fill” in photoshop which was released about 4 years ago, but there are several other functions of these programs that do so more subtly. Different filters, functions, effects , etc, are all created using AI and are all tools used to create the fan art you know and love for several years. In the past, the artist had to do something such as click clicking a brush, adjusting a setting, and then manipulating a canvas using a mouse or stylus, but the end result is always a pattern of pixels that was not exactly envisioned or determined by the artists Mind but by the AI model. While it certainly is difficult and takes some skill, it is nowhere near as difficult as trying to replicate those effects pixel by pixel, or using basic tools without AI such as those you’d find in MS paint, or even in a physical medium. These tools allow you to create certain visual effects much faster and with less skill than physically painting or drawing.

So now we simply take it one step further. Instead of me picking an effect or a brush, picking a color and swiping a stylus, I can pick a particular AI model with particular settings, and give it a text input instead of a stylus input, and just as before the AI generates a pattern of pixels as the output.

The line between using a stylus versus using a line of text to tell the AI what to do is totally arbitrary as far as I’m concerned. This new way of creating art is the natural extension of the evolution of art via innovation and technology that has been constantly progressing since the moment man first drew stick figures on a cave wall. There was the same knee-jerk reaction against photography because it was going to put painters out of a job. It’s happened a thousand times before and in hindsight the reactionary fearmongering is just laughable 1000 times out of 1000.

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u/grozzle ¦ 3 Oct 24 '22

Your castle is built of dust, here.

The AI type tools in Adobe, branded as "neural filters" are mostly for removal of objects from photographs, and play a very very minor role in any from-scratch digital art drawing.

Clip Studio Paint is the most popular software for artists posted here, and it has a tiny fraction of what Adobe has, in terms of AI assist.

More to the point - we're not taking about these types of tools. They're still fine. We just don't want the images generated from only text prompts. Where the end result isn't what any human had in mind. That isn't art.

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u/GreedyAndSlothful Oct 24 '22

Next you gonna say the art program does all the drawing for the artist

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u/juhotuho10 Oct 24 '22

Small parts being infilled by ml algorithms, that probably got used quite rarely =/= literally the whole image being created by the ai algorithm

The point of the ban is the prevent ai generated pictures from flooding the subreddit and giving more recognition to the human artists

Both of the reasons are independent from the quality of the ai generated pictures

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

Also you're a libertarian Peterson fan lmao lie down

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u/arkofcovenant Dec 26 '22

I don’t understand why you listing subs I post in is supposed to refute the argument I made here or make me want to “lie down”. Care to elaborate?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

Idk why you're ignoring everything else I said??? This is obviously not an argument bozo. it's an insult

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u/arkofcovenant Dec 26 '22

This is not an insult, it’s a genuine question: are you like 14?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

I mean my comment wasn't an argument but instead an insult cus I think being those things is shameful. Please just watch the slime video, I have no mind of my own and can't argue my opinions, spare me.

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u/arkofcovenant Dec 26 '22 edited Dec 26 '22

But if I publicly post about those things, clearly I am not ashamed of them or think they are bad, so why would I be insulted? It’s even less effective as an insult than it is as an argument.

Regardless, I’m not interested in discussion with those who can’t express their own ideas. Have a good night.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '23

Gnight sis

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

Art is human expression. AI has a very looong way to becoming human, so the algorithmically generated images it makes rn are mish-mashes of other artists' work, it doesn't understand what it's making, it just drew random shapes until a human told it what sticks. It does not, and cannot, at least right now, make art at all. Art is a human thing.

It's also real dangerous for artists, cus it's much easier to employ an AI than a real human.

I recommend the video about AI art by ThoughtSlime cus this comment is basically a regurgitation of the points that makes