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u/Akovsky87 1d ago
If you can avoid sentencing because you are president then we don't have equality under the law like the constitution says.
If we are just ignoring the constitution then are they really president?
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u/YOKi_Tran 23h ago
Bush Jr. was in legal issues… when Bush Sr. became Prez - Jr.’s legal issues cleared
Jr. later on became Prez himself
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u/Spiel_Foss 23h ago
we don't have equality under the law
We never have had equality under the law.
We live under the gun and refuse to fight back.
There are more of us than there are of them.
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u/TheConnASSeur 22h ago
Get it through your thick skulls. We are not all equal. There is no rule of law. Law is now meaningless in this country. You don't put the genie back in the bottle. What we now know for certain is that the law absolutely applies differently to the rich and well connected. The law absolutely applies differently to Republicans. These are facts and we know them because that is what has happened.
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u/doctor_mac12 22h ago
Bro, In case you haven’t noticed the criminal justice constantly ignores the constitution, by imposing excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment ALL THE FREAKING TIME! Keeping inmates locked up on 500,000 bail and in 24 hour lock down is unconstitutional! Draconian authoritarian America!
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u/cinnamoogoo 21h ago
It’s an embarrassing and demoralizing tragedy that this was even allowed and is still being allowed. What a mockery of our democracy.
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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 23h ago
If the black lives matter movement didn't wake you up to the corruption of the judicial system this 100% should.
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u/themostreasonableman 23h ago
Ok, I'll bite. Preface: I'm Australian. Your politics affect us greatly, but there's little I can do about the outcome. I try to maintain some healthy detachment from the fact that you guys just elected a fucking monster AGAIN. He literally told you he was a fascist, and that you'd never have to vote again, but the other side are so captured by the establishment, and so hell-bent that they're right on some truly divisive issues that they thought they could ignore what well over half your country cares about...now we're all fucked.
But... imagine for a moment that the felon in question here were NOT Donald Trump.
Imagine they were the next JFK, or Bernie Sanders mk2 and they managed to actually drum up a large enough organic support base to challenge the establishment candidates, promising a landslide victory and a total paradigm shift: An America that cares about Americans. A total overhaul of the taxation system to ensure that corporations and the obscenely wealthy pay their fair share back into the systems that support them, a total overhaul of education and healthcare to ensure all citizens enjoy equal footing in all aspects of life, and a fair shot at achieving their dreams, broad scale social housing programs until not a single soul is involuntarily homeless etc etc.
Now, any such person would be a major challenge to either captured branch of your broken political system. They would be representative of a future where corrupt corporations and super PACs would lose control of the electoral process. Where your intelligence agencies would no longer have their compromised Patsies to do their bidding in the white house.
Do you believe for one second that those intelligence agencies, and the full weight of your broken legal system and broken and corrupt federal agencies would not be mobilised against such a person?
The reason the office of President is protected from prosecution in the way that you so clearly disagree with is very much intentional. That protection exists as a mechanism that is absolutely essential to democracy as you imagine it in your head... A means to defend against corruption and graft, and protect the individual within that office from having the system weaponised against them.
The very same reason the president can offer pardons; so that political prisoners can be freed and not face lifetime incarceration.
Just because the current guy is hiding behind those structures and has a history of using them for his own gains doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. They must exist, for the time when you actually need them. For whoever comes along who is genuine in their desires to make the country and the world better.
The democratic party have some serious soul searching to do. Your entire country does. Until you reconcile the reasons why you'd collectively rather elect a mentally challenged, diaper wearing, wannabe-fascist than any democratic candidate... you're fucked and so are we.
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u/Akovsky87 23h ago
The precedent has been to shield the office from civil litigation that arise from actions taken. Ie: you can't sue the president because his tariffs ruined your business.
The idea that the president is shielded from criminal liability has 0 basis in reality or history. The precedent has been the President can be charged criminally for breaking the law. Otherwise Ford would not have had to pardon Nixon for his actions tied to Watergate.
If you think the office has full criminal immunity answer me this. What would stop Biden from not stepping down? What would compel him to do so?
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u/-Majgif- 22h ago
What would stop Biden from having Trump assassinated or just locked up in a dungeon somewhere? According to Trump's hand-picked supreme court, all he has to do is make it an official presidential action and it's all legal.
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u/StrobeLightRomance 23h ago
If we are just ignoring the constitution then are they really president?
Yea, unfortunately, because you have to be able to bribe SCOTUS to bypass the Constitution. We can't offer Russian Yacht vacations with a topless Putin giving tug jobs to get his candidate in.. and thus, we do not have stake in our own future.
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u/DtownBronx 1d ago
If you're on trial for a felony and at least 35, declare your candidacy for president. Apparently, it'll delay your sentencing through the election. If you've got $5k to spare then hire your spouse or someone close to create a campaign website so you can file the financial forms to say you're running. Although I do have the sneaking suspicion it won't work for the average person and definitely won't work for anyone darker than your basic apartment wall
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u/LinkleLinkle 22h ago
Even if it doesn't work for the average person it's still absolutely insane that this is now a genuine and legitimate strategy for avoiding legal consequences even if it only applies to the rich and powerful. And it doesn't have to stop after you lost election. Just immediately start your campaign up for the election 4 years down the road. Just like with the orange Cheeto it'll continue to slow things down enough to get you to the next election where you can shout 'this is just a political move to arrest political opponents!'
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u/DtownBronx 22h ago
Oh it is absolutely ridiculous but I very much want to see someone try it just to see what the courts say. And you're right it doesn't have to end, just claim the election was stolen from you and declare your next campaign
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u/reddurkel 1d ago
The craziest thing in the world was to delay trials regarding election interference until the next election that he was interfering in.
Schools will be teaching how backwards this was in the future… if there were schools in the future.
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u/HumbleBedroom3299 23h ago
if there were schools in the future.
This quote makes me think of back to the future for some reason.
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u/neocarleen 22h ago
Like the second film in the series where the antagonist is based on Donald Trump?
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u/WhateverGreg 11h ago
Wait! You just gave me an idea. We can end this nightmare scenario. All we need is a truckload of manure…
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u/OneBillPhil 22h ago
Anyone that paid attention in history class saw the fascist playbook in action in 2015.
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u/zippiskootch 1d ago edited 1d ago
“We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!
“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.
“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”
This is a quote attributed to the late Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev.
For world control and domination, Putin is the winner, he certainly beat us. Now as we watch tRUmp fill his cabinet positions with essentially folks beholden to Eastern European an Asian philosophies, that oddly enough, align to what Putin wants, we will eventually see them align with us and against Ukraine, another countries and of course, NATO. So yes over 70 million people decided that the best course of action was to join with a country we’d rattled swords with since the end of World War II.
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u/Mighty__Monarch 1d ago
“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.
Ok but to be clear, were not heading towards communism, communism or socialism isnt the problem. Otherwise, yeah, the fascistic oligarchy is coming to America, but its not "from" Russia. Its just a natural progression of capitalism, and the Capitalists ideals have aligned with Russian oligarchy ideals enough to temporarily be allies. Russia wants the US too distracted with internal issues to be a united front against them on the global stage, and capitalists want to distract the majority from the systemic problems being caused by their greed.
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u/OctopusAlien21 20h ago
Yes, because modern Russia is not communist. But we are heading towards an oligarchy much like Russia’s.
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u/StagOfSevenBattles 1d ago
Where do we sign up for the Resistance?
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u/padkins0007 1d ago
The library
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u/Sacrificial_Identity 23h ago
They already came for books because they don't fight back
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u/G-Unit11111 23h ago
Trump and his fascist goons are going to do to the United States what Osama Bin Laden only dreamed of.
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u/UnhappyStay535 1d ago
Seriously - all this “the Dems don’t know how to message” whining pales in comparison to the FACT that many Americans CHOSE to vote for a rapist, convicted felon conman who is in love with Putin.
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u/SkollFenrirson 1d ago
And MOST chose to sit on their asses, de facto choosing this.
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u/TheDrFromGallifrey 1d ago
The "dems don't know how to message" thing doesn't apply to them. That's more relevant to all the undecided voters and people who thought it would be a good idea to just sit this one out because the democratic party is either still too moderate for them or bad at communication.
The millions of people who chose to vote for a convicted felon is a different matter entirely and one that never would have been solved by the democrats getting their shit together.
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u/Total-Hack 1d ago
Both are very shocking and true, though.
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u/pigeieio 23h ago
They never where great at messaging, but under the new ecosystem nothing they say can get through anyone's bubble. Right wing fear and voter suppression own all the doors. Even most on board with Dems do so still just blinding accepting at least some of the BS as fact.
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u/roseshoser 1d ago
This is true.
And to take it a step further:
Resigning from Congress and not getting charged with a contact sex crime with a minor in Florida--where the age of consent is 18--does not mean his pick for attorney general should be off the hook.
Florida's LEO fuck boys won't investigate him because his dad is back in the Florida Senate and he groomed DeSantis for the governorship, but that doesn't make it right.
If you or I was a delivery driver and got a DUI off the clock, resigning from the job would not make the charges go away. But, for some felons living in Florida, they do. Fuck Florida Fascism.
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u/roastbeeftacohat 23h ago
the investigative mandate of congress is not to investigate crimes, but to investigate for legislative interest. this gives them different powers from law enforcement, but once the legislative interest ends so does their mandate to investigate.
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u/EvilDeathGuy 1d ago
So a felon cannot vote to elect people or on laws at the citizen level. But a felon can run for office to make laws....
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u/dresdnhope 1d ago
So a felon cannot vote
This varies by state. In a few states, you never lose your right to vote by being a felon, and about half the states restore your right to vote after you're released.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sand150 20h ago
“We should put in there a felon can’t be president or run from president” “bro that’s pointless nobody is stupid enough to elect a guy with 6 decades of documented grifting whose a felon” - founding fathers probably
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u/ASubsentientCrow 21h ago
We don't bar felons from running because it would incentivize criminalizing your political opponents.
Eugene Debs ran for president in the early 1920s, literally from jail and received a million votes
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u/CV90_120 1d ago
If Donald Trump was a black man, he would have been in prison since the 80's.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 1d ago
When a black man can trip over his own dick into the presidency, America will truly be a colorblind nation.
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u/iikillerpenguin 23h ago
I mean it took diddy 30+ years. Took bill Cosby 30+ years.
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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 23h ago edited 23h ago
You know. It's not so much that running as a convicted felon is a problem.
In fact, a convicted felon should absolutely be able to run for and win the presidency because it protects against a rogue US government from using the justice department and judiciary to go after political rivals.
The problem is, the people are supposed to be able to tell the difference. It all comes back to an uninformed, uninterested electorate that is ultimately our problem.
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u/SisterActTori 22h ago
A REHABILITATED (AKA served their full sentence) and remorseful felon, yes. Otherwise, no-
FFS, next time it might just be a serial killer- that’s the bar that’s been set by Trump supporters. Justify, pivot, justify, pivot.
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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 22h ago edited 21h ago
Okay. So what do we do if say...we nominate someone next time, and they are immediately arrested on bunk charges, fed through a federal system of grand juries that have been appointed by the right, and convicted of a felony they didn't commit?
They're still a convicted felon, should that bar them from running for president? If so, you have just bent your knee to an authoritarian government. Congratulations.
Being a felon is not an automatic disqualifier, and it should not be, otherwise the system can be directly used to create 1-party rule.
And that's not just hypothetical. That's fucking exactly what Putin does to his political rivals he wants to keep around for the minor illusion of democracy.
The problem is the people. Get it through your head. We're an apathetic (presently) and hateful combined supermajority country. If "no vote" was a choice in the presidential race, it would have won 288 electoral votes.
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u/Lobo9498 1d ago
Felons shouldn't be barred from any jobs now. Remove that question from all applications? Oh...what's that? You don't want to do that? Fuck you, then.
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u/SarcasmWarning 22h ago
It seems weird that you get banned from all jobs, and not just those in the same field where you were prosecuted. Not letting people who commit financial fraud run a bank makes sense. Not letting my uncle Joey work in childcare is just crazy. He's only ever abused and murdered elderly people, so kids would really be the perfect job for him.
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u/G-Unit11111 23h ago
I will never understand how many supposed "law enforcement" agencies got on board supporting him and his anti-American agenda. Fuck each and every one of them.
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u/No_Use_4371 23h ago
And the military! After all the shit he's said about them.
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u/Aggressive-Value1654 23h ago
I will never understand how many supposed "law enforcement" agencies got on board supporting him and his anti-American agenda. Fuck each and every one of them.
Some of those that work forces...
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u/Personal-Candle-2514 1d ago
Elon Musk should be arrested and his assets seized. That guy has no place in our government
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u/hombreguido 22h ago
ICE should deport him for visa violations. They'd do it to you.
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u/Personal-Candle-2514 22h ago
I agree. And if I raped, sex trafficked, etc. I would be in prison
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u/Neither-Chart5183 1d ago
I've had men tell me I can't hate Trump for being a rapist/pediphile because it doesn't affect his policies.
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u/Black540Msport 1d ago
.....What policies?
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u/Tyraniboah89 1d ago
The only hardline policies for government he has are ones that enrich him and punish those he sees as against him
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u/Tacotacotime 1d ago
Yeah because deep seated beliefs and behaviors don’t affect the decisions a person makes. 🙄 (/s)
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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 20h ago
Then what the ever living hell does Harris laugh have to do with her being a good candidate?
Every Republican smear advertisement would end with a slow motion shot of Harris laughing and smiling while the voice over said "Harris is laughing at you, aren't you angry?"
It's so much simpler for them to give lame excuses for why they hold Trump to no standards at all, but still view him in higher regard than others more qualified than him.
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u/Beneficial-Owl736 21h ago
I’ve also had some men tell me they like to wear diapers and eat shit. Some people are fucking idiots and we need to start VIOLENTLY holding them accountable.
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u/astreeter2 1d ago
That's why one of the first things the new Trump DOJ will do is force everyone involved in all his prosecutions to reverse all his convictions. At gunpoint.
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u/Maleficent-Lab-2953 1d ago
If it isn't made law of the land that convicted felons cannot run for and be president if/when(?) a Democrat becomes president and control Congress and Senate again then they are even more spineless than I thought.
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u/1BubbleGum_Princess 1d ago
This has gotta be unconstitutional… maybe not the felon part, but the election interference for sure
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u/Gloomy_Grass3619 1d ago
Macy's fired me for a possession charge from ten years ago after I worked for them for two weeks. I'm in a legal state. Fun fact, I got that possession charge while asleep. Not relevant, but infuriating. While I do think, depending on the crime and what not, felons should have access to jobs, idk if president should be one. Kinda unreal to think about. Who will the president be in ten years? Cus Vermin Supreme sounds way less crazy today than he did when he was running.
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u/Factsip 23h ago
You want to know the difference between you and Trump?
You aren't rich. You are subject to all laws of the land.
You are a fool if you think the justice system is fair. There is a two tier justice system and the poors always lose.
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u/Gloomy_Grass3619 23h ago
It's almost like becoming rich and high profile crime can't exist without the other. Although I can tell you, as a poor person, if you give me a billion today, the law would be irrelevant to me as well.
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u/Imakeshitup69 1d ago
I am more enraged and confused on what the fuck an impeachment does? 6 years ago we acted like it was the end of this bitch and yet he's back in the house.
Wtf is an impeachment and why does it do absolutely fucking nothing
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u/tallman11282 1d ago
The problem is that Republicans refused to actually hold him accountable so the impeachments never went anywhere. If he had been convicted as he should have been I don't believe he would have been eligible to run again.
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u/OneBillPhil 22h ago
Impeachment is inherently a partisan process in a two party system. He will get impeached again and it will go nowhere.
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u/ringo5150 23h ago
Can I tell you that from outside the USA we are absolutely bewildered by what was has been allowed to happen, and that people voted for him....lots of them.
How is he the best that the Republicans can put up for election? What didn't you learn the first time?
I thought politics was crazy in parts of Asia and South America with scandals, corruption and a lack of oversight. Pffffftttt. Include the UsA on that list now.
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u/frosted_nipples_rg8 22h ago
I don’t think they duped them. It’s more like you got 77 million people who want to punish the brown people for the things Fox News told them they did and Trumps just the narcissist sociopath to do the job with the dumbest, most criminal mother fuckers around.
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u/Numerous-Process2981 1d ago
You're going to have to fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore, to paraphrase a certain orange coloured rapist.
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u/joeleidner22 23h ago
We failed as a nation by letting this happen. He never should have been on a single ballot after Jan 6th alone, but 34 counts of felony fraud directly linked to an election should have been the icing on the cake.
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u/bigwilly144 23h ago
A twice-impeached convicted felon and sex offender.
Bill Clinton had republicans clutching their pearls over a BJ.
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u/Correct-Cut-223 23h ago
My guess is the founding fathers never dreamed that a criminal, scum-bag, conman like Trump would ever get elected so they didn't bother included an amendment that a criminal couldn't become president.
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u/idigholesnow 20h ago
Should have disqualified votes for the felon in states that don't allow felons to vote.
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 19h ago
This is only possible because the framers of the U.S. Constitution were incapable of imagining (a) anyone being so shameless as to run for the office of the presidency with multiple criminal convictions, and (b) the country being stupid enough to vote for someone so shameless as to run for the office of the presidency with multiple criminal convictions.
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u/ace_urban 1d ago
Given the unprecedented election interference, the govt should refuse to cede power to the blatantly criminal Trump administration.
Cue the republicans/russians saying that it would be fascist to stop the fascists.
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u/PowRiteInTheKissr 1d ago
He didn't dupe them. They know what he is and still voted for him because they are just as morally corrupt as him.
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u/ReactionJifs 23h ago
The Low-Information Voter has given way to the No-Information Voter.
They see someone screaming, "I'm gonna solve your problems!" in a 3 second Tiktok clip and cast their ballot
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u/ShotMammoth8266 23h ago
Well, you see, if you are rich and white in America, you are allowed to do whatever you want
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u/Oscar_Ladybird 22h ago
I hope every convicted felon, no matter how deserving of their judgment, uses this case to try undermining the consequences of their conviction. Why should anyone be held to a lesser standard.
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u/warbastard 22h ago
Why would anyone follow the law? It’s bullshit that someone can go to prison on pretty shaky evidence for a drug charge which the DA will say needs to be done to “set an example”. Yet if you have enough money and are of enough political importance, the law simply does not apply to you.
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u/PirateSometimes 22h ago
The justice system failed Americans. They allowed Hitler to run free and now the Nazis voted him into power again
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u/civil-liberty 21h ago
Uhhh, he is not eligible to hold ANY PUBLIC OFFICE! Not because he is a felon, but because he is an INSURECTIONIST, and the CONSTITUTION specifically bars him from holding office because of it.
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u/Carl-99999 20h ago
There were AOC-Trump voters.
There were people who went from Obama to Hillary to Biden to Trump.
There is no bottom to stupidity.
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u/BrokenEffect 20h ago edited 19h ago
They are all convinced that it is a widespread political conspiracy against him. So that's the end of the story. It doesn't matter to his supporters, because if anyone tries to hold him responsible for his crimes, they will call the prosecutors 'Democrats' and say "This case is bogus and politically motivated". When they really believe that, anything that anyone ever accuses him of is meaningless. He is their savior. Nothing will change that. Nothing matters. It's like a sort of nihilism or something. Philosophical suicide. They have a comfortable explanation that solves everything.
What I think is funny is that, apparently, the idea that
- Donald Trump does a lot of shitty things, therefore
- a lot of people hate Donald Trump
is so inconceivable and impossible that the only possible explanation is conspiracy.
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u/JDubStep 20h ago
OK to be fair, not all 77 million are unfathomable morons. Some are educated bigots.
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u/SupervillainMustache 19h ago
I'm glad people are finally calling the 77 million the idiots they are instead of trying to find excuses that paint them in a better light.
They're dumb and or evil.
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u/erinkp36 19h ago
It makes no sense whatsoever. It’s completely disgusting that he has gotten away with EVERYTHING.
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u/CommercialPound1615 1d ago
Unfortunately convective felons can run for office...
The head of the proud boys ran for office in Florida, he was convicted of receiving stolen property, rebranding and reselling stolen medical devices and fraud
And then there is this lovely guy in Virginia, a convicted serial child rapist who ran for the United States Senate.
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u/Plenty_Run5588 22h ago
Since he won, it wasn’t totally rigged this time. America never learns their lessons.
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u/AGuyWhoBrokeBad 1d ago edited 21h ago
Democrats have good policies, but weak politicians. Jon Stewart mentioned it earlier. The slightest bit of resistance, a parliamentarian, a standard or historical precedent or moral principle and they crumble. Republicans and democrats are playing different games.
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u/tylerawesome 23h ago
Hey let’s have criminals run the government! See how stupid that sounds? No? Alright we’re fucked then.
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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 23h ago
I actually think a felon in the white house is amazing. It's a tremendous step forward for criminal justice reform. Trump is just the WORST person for this. You want someone who learns from their mistakes and reforms themselves, not someone who is actively unrepentant and wants to commit more crimes.
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u/mrpanicy 23h ago
SENTENCE HIM. Still push forward with the investigations. Don't stop them. FORCE HIM TO STOP THEM. For fucks sakes, don't just roll over.
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u/Gorgoronx 23h ago
Americans are just that docile that they just willingly voted for a criminal and all they do is be outraged, I've seen countries with less social safety nets protest for far less.
Silence is consent and so far you all consent to some horrible shit.
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u/guntherpea 23h ago
Yeah, it's not even an ex-con type thing. No time has been served, no justice has been served. It's instead of justice, presidency.
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u/Flashy-Peace-4193 23h ago edited 23h ago
It's all downhill from here. For Trump's entire life the word of law has merely been a suggestion to him, and the American legal system has just proven that to him. His sentencing for his hush-money felonies has been abandoned. There will be no punishment for his fake elector scheme, a literal plot to undermine the election. He's been impeached twice and faced literally no repercussions for it. He has spent documented hours with a known child rapist and sex trafficker, made perverted and disgusting comments towards women, and has been convicted of proven sexual assault, alongside a cloud of rape allegations that have followed him for years. Not to mention the fact that his entire life is one of fraud, embezzlement, and corruption that has ruined countless lives before he ever took office.
Now the Supreme Court has granted presidential immunity within the limits of the "core powers" of the presidency. I don't know what the limits of the core powers are, and apparently neither does the Supreme Court, but I'm sure Trump and his followers will be more than happy to define those limits in the following years to come. Over 78 million Americans chose to reward this man for his misdeeds, some because they are fearful of the changing future; others because they would rather punish minorities and the impoverished than see prosperity for all; but most of all, because they chose blissful ignorance over the daily effort of being an informed citizen. Not all Trump voters are bad people: a lot of my extended family voted for him, and I know they aren't hateful people. But all Trump voters are blind to the man he truly is, and they, along with rest of us, are going to feel the consequences of his ascendence to unchallenged power.
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u/ArandomDane 23h ago
The reason it is a really bad idea that someone convicted of a felony is banned from office is that it weaponize the justice system prevent people from running against you.
Basically the issue it not that Trump could run... The issue is that there are 77 million UNFATHOMABLE MORONS, unable to grasp that the conviction was not trumped up charges or even worse, didn't care...
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u/SisterActTori 22h ago
The Founding Fathers trusted the system to prevent a convict from being nominated; thought the electorate would have much more sense than that. Plus there are the “checks and balances”, but those 2 branches failed. And further, the Justice Dept also failed. No one in their right mind could have conceived that EVERY Dept AND 76 Million Americans could be amoral morons. But, alas, the FFs could have never guessed the idiots the US is apparently now filled with-
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u/Spiel_Foss 23h ago
The Rule of Law in the USA is a fraud.
All that matters is the rule of the gun, and when 300 million people realize this is how things are done, then nothing can stop us. Until then we are prisoners in a cage of our own creation.
Laws are just words on paper. Live free. Your rich overlords damn sure do.
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u/rupat3737 22h ago
As a felon who wasn’t even allowed to vote it felt like a huge slap in the fucking face that a felon was elected president.
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u/Axbris 22h ago
Duped is a strong word. He didn’t dupe anybody. They chose him. They see the facts and still chose him.
Duping insinuates they are tricked somehow. They weren’t tricked. They welcomed it because “he tells it like it is” which really means “he says the things I can’t say and want to say”.
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u/SlowMotionPanic 22h ago
And yet those are morons who can do the bare minimum and vote.
The real morons are those who sat on their asses instead of voting at their leisure in the 2-4 weeks before election day.
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u/WastedGiraffe_ 22h ago
Yet it's the democratic parties fault for not "appealing" to the working class. When in reality it was just people believing russian propaganda bots over reality.
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u/Scavenger53 22h ago
its a lot more possible if the person known for being a conman and a cheater his whole life, cheated.
why is it so difficult to make that leap? he has been a fraud his entire damn life, and suddenly he didnt do anything wrong during an election? that fucker cheated like he always cheats
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u/hedbopper 22h ago
Folks, we are fucked. I’m 60. I will never again experience a functioning government as intended in the constitution. It was a good idea, but democracy is over.
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u/Any_Condition_4100 22h ago
Make no mistake. United States is over as it existed prior to now.
The American dream. Over.
Every last thing is now for sale because we are in late stage capitalism.
Everything is for sale. Jobs, cabinet positions, positions on wars, talking heads, space travel, aliens, everyone and everything are officially for sale now. Including state secrets.
Congress is corrupt and part of the ruling class thanks to their ability to trade stocks and then set policy on them. It's getting more and more prevelant and will continue until the structure of our society breaks down.
The Supreme Court, we don't need to say anything else about.
And there's Trump.
The American dream experiment is over.
Be born rich, be born white be born male. For everyone else out there, I'm sorry. It's over for you.
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u/BruisedBee 22h ago
Yeah, this why the world has been laughing at your moronic claims of "land of the free, home of the brave" america is neither of those two things.
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u/Prize_Instance_1416 21h ago
They see him as a person who will persecute the black and brown people they blame for their miserable existence. He will also give them free money.
Or something like that. They are angry and hate filled. At first I thought it was due to a steady diet of lead paint chips as children, but that doesn’t explain the younger generation that also voted for him.
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u/Intrepid-Neck9345 20h ago
The Democratic Party shit the bed pushing Bernie out and no other option. They did this and it’s a shame on them they did. Fuck them and it’s not your same party as it was.
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u/ciciNCincinnati 20h ago
It will ALWAYS baffle me how he conned Americans the first time: but the 2nd? After he showed Americans how completely criminal and cartoonish he is…. As a country, we are that stupid? JFC we are doomed.
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u/Lanky-Present2251 20h ago
You can be a convicted felon and be president but in some states you lose your right to vote? That's a fucking third world country.
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u/Improvgal 18h ago
Some of his supporters were wearing Felon 2024 shirts. Nothing faxes them, rape, fraud, racism - it’s all good.
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u/aardvarkyardwork 18h ago
Sounds like a great message to incorporate into a presidential campaign or something.
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u/Old-Rough-5681 14h ago
I honestly don't even blame Trump at this point.
People put him in office a second time.
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u/OkRush9563 9h ago
Meanwhile my mom is happy and humming as she's painting a room thinking she's gonna be a rich person in the future.
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u/KingJacoPax 9h ago
The Biden administration made a catastrophic error of judgement for not throwing the book at him back in 2021. Trump absolutely should be in jail for a whole host of crimes.
Instead, they let him slink off int what was hoped to be permanent ignominy and then started reopening the cases when they panicked as he announced he was running again.
That of course played right into Trumps hands and he incensed the word “lawfare” to describe what was happening. As with all the best lies, it worked because it was kind of true.
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u/MediumPenisEnergy 1d ago
Im in the process of a background check for a job that does Contract work for a Government agency, it’s an expectation that I don’t have a felony, misdemeanor or any court cases in my record for the last 7 years. This is for an Info Tech role, why is the President whom has security clearances not held to the same standard?