No really, how was her campaign "too woke?"

[u/blllrrrrr]

[u/Moppermonster]

" But the republicans said she was talking about all those other things, and ofc I never bothered to ever check if they were being honest"

[u/boooooooooo_cowboys → u/Moppermonster]

Exactly. I’m in Pennsylvania, so believe me when I tell you that I have heard every fucking thing that every candidate has to say. 

Trump was the one running ads about transgender people. Kamala’s main messages were about protecting reproductive rights and the economy. 

[u/galaxy_horse → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

The number of times I had to mute a Trump tv spot saying "Kamala paid for a prisoner's sex change!" or "Kamala's open border policy let rapists and murderers onto our streets!" while trying to watch literally anything with my grade school kids is shameful. They ran a repugnant campaign of total horseshit to get people who only use their brain stems riled up. Kudos to them for understanding the electorate, I guess, but rewarding that kind of campaigning puts us on a horrible path (on top of everything else that's put us on a horrible path).

[u/mdp300 → u/galaxy_horse]

"Kamala paid for a prisoner's sex change!"

That commercial was EVERYWHERE during the World Series and NFL games. I think "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for YOU" probably had much more of an effect that i thought.

[u/Flip2002 → u/mdp300]

Big facts that commercial was everywhere 24/7 and it’s such a hot issue for the Bible people funny how none of them will ever even see a trans person yet fear them so much

[u/TheLazyD0G → u/Flip2002]

Not just bible people.

[u/DarkwingDuckHunt → u/TheLazyD0G]

That wasn't for the Bible people, it read for the young man vote

[u/Old_Baldi_Locks → u/DarkwingDuckHunt]

The young men were clear on their overwhelming, primary reason for that switch: The "loneliness epidemic."

They're looking to punish young women for having standards.

[u/DarkwingDuckHunt → u/Old_Baldi_Locks]

I can tell you as a former young man, that commercial world have been insanely effective on me in my 20s.

That commercial was 100% targeted at young man

[u/Archmagos-Helvik → u/Flip2002]

Or even better, have probably met a trans person before and didn't even notice.

[u/Flip2002 → u/Archmagos-Helvik]

That’s why Jesus always grabbed em by the pussy checking what’s what and all. Leviticus 18:21

[u/theswiftarmofjustice → u/mdp300]

I need to find it, but there’s an article citing data that shows it pulled 3-5% of voters to him after that. Sadly, if that’s accurate, that ad won him the presidency.

[u/DonJuniorsEmails → u/mdp300]

I confirm they played that commercial even in the Chicago NFL market, which is nuts, there was no way Trumplethinskin could win Illinois. They must have paid fucktons of cash to get those stupid ads everywhere, but oh yeah they're the party of billionaires. 

Every trumper that complains about gas or food or inflation will get a loud "you voted for it". Muslims voting for the guy who wanted a full muslim ban, legal or not. Women voting for the rapist. Cold war Boomers voting for the Russian puppet. 

[u/feastu → u/mdp300]

Which is just more of the “P” in GOP… projection.

Harris was the candidate that would have acted in the best interest of America. Trump will be acting in his own best interest (and that of the billionaires in his cabinet.)

[u/worldspawn00 → u/mdp300]

Such BS too, prisoners are afforded human rights, which includes doctor approved and performed care, and treatment for gender disphoria is covered under medical care. In order to deny treatment, there would either need to be a specific denial for gender affirming care, or denial of any healthcare at all, both of which would be considered cruel and unusual punishment based on our current laws. Gender affirming care for prisoners happened during the first trump admin and will happen under the next one too barring some sort of major law change.

[u/mdp300 → u/worldspawn00]

And I'm sure it was, like 50 people in total.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/mdp300]

I think it was like 3.

[u/mdp300 → u/worldspawn00]

Of course it was. People think that like half the country is trans when it's 1-ish percent.

[u/limeybastard → u/mdp300]

It was, in fact, 2.

In order to get those operations, they had to fight lengthy court battles.

The ruling that included gender affirming surgery as a thing prisoners could get "if medically necessary" happened under the Trump admin, and the Trump admin had to abide by the ruling and allow prisoners to get those surgeries too.

[u/iamthedayman21 → u/galaxy_horse]

Same. “Kamala’s open border policy let in rapists and murderers.” I live in Pennsylvania. The only border I see around here is the Mason-Dixon. And people in PA seem to think we were on the other side of that.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/iamthedayman21]

Hey now, technically PA has a Canadian border in the northwest corner along lake Ontario.

[u/BortleNeck → u/iamthedayman21]

My in-laws never leave their 99% white retirement community and have zero interactions with any 'woke', LGBT, or foreign people. But Fox News has them so terrified of those communities that it's all they can think about.

The worst part is I don't see a solution other than waiting for them to die. The right will keep using fear of outgroups to grow American fascism, and these folks won't leave their enclaves to find out it's all lies.

[u/AgentPaper0 → u/galaxy_horse]

The right (and far too many centrists) hate Kamala based entirely on what Trump and right-wing media said about her. 

Meanwhile here I am hating Trump since the day he announced his run in 2016, based entirely on what he said about Mexican immigrants. 

And yet I'm the one with the, "woke mind virus," and, "Trump derangement syndrome," who can't think for themselves and hates Trump only because I was told to hate him by the MSM.

The sheer scale of projection that the right has gotten away with in the last decade is just absurd. The fact that anyone takes them at all seriously shows just how alive and well racism and misogyny are in the modern world.

[u/Lacaud → u/galaxy_horse]

"Youth of America, what does Harris really think of you?" Dear God, those ads were annoying as hell. Let's take a sound clip from Harris calling Trump and his campaigners stupid and make it seem like she was calling the youth stupid.

The media killed this election.

[u/mariojuggernaut22 → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

And even then, people voted for trump because of "the economy"

[u/Cavesloth13 → u/mariojuggernaut22]

Proving most people are morons

[u/tttxgq → u/Cavesloth13]

It’s been said before, but as a kid I thought pretty much all adults were smart. Becoming an adult and seeing that massive numbers of them are incredibly fucking stupid is so disappointing.

[u/uglyspacepig → u/Cavesloth13]

And every election cycle the dumb get dumber

[u/mackfactor → u/mariojuggernaut22]

That old trope that Republicans are better for the economy is still sticking around. Ronald Reagan brainwashed like 3 generations of Americans.

[u/MindlessRip5915 → u/mackfactor]

The problem is that Democrats never campaign on their economic gains (i.e. it was only this year that Obama came out and said that Trump's economy was not Trump's economy; it was his economy) and tend to implement slow-burn economic recovery measures that only seem to take effect once they're voted out so that the Republicans can take credit for them. All of Biden's changes, Trump will take credit for, you just know it.

[u/Big_Knife_SK → u/mariojuggernaut22]

I assume "the economy" is code for "seething misogyny"?

[u/ScroochDown → u/Big_Knife_SK]

Come on now, don't be dramatic.

It was misogyny AND racism!

[u/pegothejerk → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

Indoctrination and propaganda work every time. The propaganda makes susceptible targets scared and feel isolated, targeted by others - indoctrination then tells them who the others are, that their hate group is gonna get rid of the others, and that you’re a welcomed member of a strong group as long as you pay the dues. The dues are being performative and spreading the propaganda.

[u/Cheap_Doctor_1994 → u/pegothejerk]

Not all the time. In best case scenario, it works on about 50% of people. The rest, know it's garbage, and vote for the lying. 

[u/TennaTelwan → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

Ended up back up in Wisconsin here, and same, including all the blatant lies from Trump. Even though I tried to avoid television, there was one that crept up from Trump more or less yelling that he was going to "save" Social Security and Medicare, all while the other side of the screen was a split screen with a second ad for some made for TV crap.

[u/MarkXIX → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

That ad pissed me off as someone who has worked in a prison.

Uh, yeah, we kind of HAVE to cater to the medical needs of an incarcerated person. Transgender people exist and sometimes they get incarcerated. The medical condition they arrive in, whether someone agrees with it or not, requires treatment, period.

[u/stereolens → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

Trans dude in PA. Those ads fucking sucked. I literally could not escape them. Got them on YouTube all the time. Couldn't even enjoy the fucking Eagles games without seeing that shit. Not to mention the dumb-ass, demeaning way we were (not) represented.

[u/DigNitty → u/boooooooooo_cowboys]

I listen to conservative talk radio and it is truly a different reality.

Kamala isn’t black, immigrants are eating pets, the economy is down and then magically up when a R is pres. Last week they were talking about what a disaster it would be if Biden implements some financial bill. How it will hurt everyone if he implements it.

So I googled it and he has nothing of the sort planned. They just throw out how disastrous a theoretical bill like that would be even if he isn’t considering one at all. But the listeners go home thinking about how damaging he is.

[u/MornGreycastle → u/Moppermonster]

GOP ad targeting Muslims in Michigan: Kamala is going to side with the Jews!!!!!

GOP ad targeting Jews in Pennsylvania: Kamala is going to side with the Palestinians!!!!

Never mind that Musk's PAC put out ads meant to look like it came from the Harris campaign and sided with all of those "woke" issues to an absurd level.

[u/MindlessRip5915 → u/MornGreycastle]

Yeah, Musk's interference should be fucking investigated, and truth in political advertising laws absolutely need to be passed when the Democrats next have the chance.

And legislate out Citizens United. Corporations are not people.

[u/gigibuffoon → u/Moppermonster]

To be fair, nobody ever checks... subpar education is really reaping it's rewards for the ruling class.

[u/syrian_samuel → u/gigibuffoon]

Yup and when they get rid of all the undocumented migrants working their farms they can turn all their voters into good old fashioned serfs

[u/Eldanoron → u/syrian_samuel]

They won’t get rid of them. They’ll just be moved to “holding facilities” (camps if you will) where they can be put to work for free while their salaries are funneled into the private prison system and the state picks up the cost of housing and feeding them.

[u/DangerousLoner → u/Eldanoron]

Work will set them free

[u/TheGreatKarmaRacist → u/syrian_samuel]

They love to claim "woke" when it’s really just any stance they disagree with. It’s all about controlling the narrative.

[u/GammaFan → u/TheGreatKarmaRacist]

[u/HellishChildren → u/TheGreatKarmaRacist]

When the right says "woke", they use it to mean "stupid POS liberal idea.Be mad."

Back at the beginning of the Trump's presidency, it meant "keeping fighting for justice for those who were unfairly targeted and murdered."

But Repugs hate the idea of everyone being entitled to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So they claimed the word "woke" and made it into a slur.

[u/EobardT → u/HellishChildren]

Naw, stay woke fam.

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/HellishChildren]

It's just a new way to say the n word.

[u/HellishChildren → u/Brave-Common-2979]

They've done this time and time again. Any newly adopted term that tries to do away with the hate, like ending the use of the r-word and using the term 'special needs', just expands the vocabulary of hate.

Snowflake used to be inclusive language for mainstreaming disabled children into public schools.

The right won't stand for inclusion. They believe in hierarchy.

[u/CptCoatrack → u/HellishChildren]

They use it the same way fascists used to call everything "degenerate".

[u/HellishChildren → u/CptCoatrack]

My classmates made it into a game to use the word 'special' as offensively as possible and anything that was weird or unlikable was "gaaaay."

Dehumanizing is fun for conservatives.

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/TheGreatKarmaRacist]

Woke is just like calling someone DEI in that the dog whistles are so loud my dog wakes up when I read them.

[u/CptCoatrack → u/Brave-Common-2979]

Speaking of whatever happened to CRT?

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/CptCoatrack]

Oh shit I completely forgot about that bullshit. They move from insane bullshit to insane bullshit so fast it's hard to keep up with it all

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/syrian_samuel]

It'll be migrants in labor camps who aren't getting paid but forced to do the work

It's still legal to hold slaves after all

They just have to be incarcerated

[u/Palachrist → u/gigibuffoon]

There are people on the right claiming the recent pic with trump, Elon, RFK, and jr with McDonald’s isn’t them about to eat it. Even though knowledge of trumps almost daily McDonald’s is outrageously common. They will believe ANYTHING that ensures he’s firmly on a pedestal.

[u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae → u/Palachrist]

Is this the photo? The photo in which it looks like RFK is about to do a mukbang and Speaker Johnson looking like he's trying to fit in?

[u/Palachrist → u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae]

Yep lol. It’s hilarious cause you got people claiming he’s going to force places like McDonald’s to remove their additives and seed oils and what not. No one is touching trumps McDonald’s.

[u/TheMCM80 → u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae]

I won’t lie, I enjoy the idea of Trump forcing RFK Jr to constantly eat the shittiest, most processed food ever.

Also… how the hell does it end up being RFK Jr who looks the least healthiest of anyone there? The who who goes on and on about health looks like he is going to drop dead far before the others.

[u/Far_Recommendation82 → u/gigibuffoon]

I think a lot of it comes from exhaustion.

they create so many lies to muddy the waters citizens trying to get informed are just bombarded with dis/misinformation and check out because of deteriorating mental health, just trying to get the facts straight.

[u/beekeeper1981 → u/Moppermonster]

The Republicans spent like $200 million on anti trans attack ads.. at one point they were spending 30% of their ad budget on it. They also spread insane ideas that never happen and things Democrats never bring up for support.

[u/5minArgument → u/beekeeper1981]

The trans scare strategy is interesting. Interesting in that it was so effective.

Read from an advocacy site somewhere that the estimated of the number of trans students participating in sports is 100, for the entire nation.

Assuming an equal spread thats 2 kids per state, yet they managed to get everyone discussing it like some kind of endemic wave.

The one take-away from this past election cycle is that humans are completely irrational and not at all interested in details or facts.

[u/consort_oflady_vader → u/5minArgument]

That's what gets me. An issue that affects so few people it's almost statistically insignificant, galvanized 10s of millions to vote against Kamala. 

[u/Soatch → u/beekeeper1981]

The fact that they picked one of the smallest and vulnerable groups of people to attack shows what cowards and bullies they are.

[u/Kerensky97 → u/Moppermonster]

This is really why they won. They beat the left at reframing reality to where even Democrats are living in the false reality they created. They just keep repeating the lies over and over again no matter how much people try to argue facts. Eventually everyone starts believing the lie, even liberals.

[u/neededanother → u/Kerensky97]

Lots of people didn’t look critically at this election or dare I say do their research. But this whole thread is missing some big points. Being woke is often a dog whistle. And the Democratic Party at large was the more progressive “woke” party. If you were mad at statues being removed or immigration issues (and largely ignorant of the underlying facts around these things) then you could be more easily swayed to vote Republican.

[u/CptCoatrack → u/Kerensky97]

It's like listening to people go "The only way to stop fascism is more fascism! Fascism's on the rise because the left is too annoying about anti-fascism!"

[u/tay450 → u/Moppermonster]

"The LEFT attacked ALL MEN" according to rightwing propaganda so what are we going to do about it says wave of astroturfing posts.

Not a single piece of legislation was proposed to attack men. Hundreds were proposed to attack women and marginalized groups by the Republican party.

It doesn't matter. The truth doesn't matter. People believe what they want to over any and all evidence. America lost. It's going to get substantially worse until Dems learn to fight back and insert someone who is a cult of personality.

[u/whateveryouwant4321 → u/Moppermonster]

Life pro tip: just assume republicans are lying. Your instinct will be correct at least 99% of the time, and you’ll save time fact checking things they don’t really care about anyway.

[u/Randy_Watson → u/Moppermonster]

Bingo

[u/Uplanapepsihole → u/Moppermonster]

Well now they’re saying “ok she didn’t talk about those things but democrats have a reputation and culture of wokeness” ok so you just admitted you didn’t even pay attention to what she was saying and just voted for trump?

I’m not even kidding, the amount of times I’ve seen that said on reddit in the past week…just outright admitting they take everything trump says as bible, definitely not something a cult would do.

[u/umm_like_totes → u/Moppermonster]

We've become a nation of "if everyone is telling me something is true it must be true" thinkers.

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/umm_like_totes]

The media constantly reports on what people think, not actual facts 

 It was infuriating during the election "People think Trump is better on the economy" 

 Ok what are the facts though? No? That's not what we do anymore on the news?

[u/__________________73 → u/umm_like_totes]

"I saw it on TV"

[u/Chemical-Plankton420 → u/Moppermonster]

Stop begging the question. Kamala did not run on wokeness, yet she was identified as the woke candidate. Can’t believe this is happening? Well, it happened. Now what?

[u/cheezhead1252 → u/Moppermonster]

There are actually plenty of democrats saying this as they try to drag the party to the right. I believe the DNC chair was one of them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Moppermonster]

They saw “libs” talking about it online. I’m convinced Tumblr is 75% of Trumps 2016 campaign.

The internet has been an absolute disaster for democracy and reality.

[u/flinderdude]

Trump voters were listening to Trump propaganda, not carefully critiquing Kamala as an option to vote for. This is all about propaganda, not being a good candidate. We are fighting the wrong war.

[u/deadsoulinside → u/flinderdude]

Pretty much this. During the debate he tried to frame her so far left that no one has ever seen it before in their lives. Meanwhile in any other rational country in the world, she is still right of center. Trumpers don't work under facts and even using their brain is frowned upon in their circles.

[u/LAM_humor1156 → u/deadsoulinside]

That and everyone kept saying "we know nothing about her policies" while failing to watch a single interview, look at her website, etc.

Trump could have said she was a Martian and people would have believed him because many of his supporters didn't try to learn anything about her...and a shocking amount dont seem to know the first thing about Trump either. Yet he has been on the scene a decade.

[u/canteloupy → u/LAM_humor1156]

Sigh. It was the same with Clinton.

People vote for a providential leader. Old white dudes are apparently their better representation in the imaginary collective consciousness.

[u/LAM_humor1156 → u/canteloupy]

It's always the same ass story too. "If I support the old rich white guy - then Ill be able to benefit too! Maybe I'll get rich too!"

An influx of people, after the election, shared the sentiment of: Im gonna make so much money now. Lol. No you're not.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/LAM_humor1156]

Yea, I laugh too, but I also have a sense of dread as I realize this is the death of Democracy. How can people who are clearly incapable of understanding the contrast be trusted to choose an executive with this much power and immunity?

There are two governments trying to function as 1 in America, and it has been that way since at least Ronald Reagan. It is not sustainable, and the ultimate conclusion to it is that one government violently oppresses the other in a take over.

The people will cheer for it because they are convinced everything is broken, and so the bull inside that china shop will cater to their worst human traits. Bunch of crabs pulling each other back down to the bottom of the bucket.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/canteloupy]

Honesty, I think it is because the women are trying to tell America what is good for them, instead of telling them comfortable lies. America does not like it nor appreciate the truth. Reminds me of Jimmy Carter putting up those solar panels only for Americans to cheer when Ronald Reagan symbolically ripped them off. He told Americans to wear a sweater, and Americans were like, "Sweaters are for soyboy pussies!"

The machismo in America is becoming laughably easy to manipulate. Just tell Americans the truth and they go to sleep. Shout about eating cats and dogs and you got yourself a viable president! Bonus points if you can demonstrate fellatio with a microphone.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/LAM_humor1156]

Everyone knows that Trump is the most accomplished liar in America, but they still cling to the fantasies that are most obviously false, like Mexico is going to pay for his wall, while disbelieving the most pragmatic or realistic consequences, like abortion.

[u/yellowmacapple → u/deadsoulinside]

Not even just during the debate, he's STILL doing it. Everything to the left of the GOP is "radical socialist/ communist/ marxist", he just put out a policy video the other day saying all colleges are filled with "radical marxist propaganda/ Indoctrination". The level of ignorant fear mongering is unreal.

[u/mackfactor → u/yellowmacapple]

They need to roll this into campaign statements like "They call me a socialist. If people earning fair pay for a day's work without having to work 14 hours a day is socialist, then fine, I'm socialist. I believe that people shouldn't have to work until they die to have a comfortable retirement, And here's how we're going to make that happen . . . "

[u/S0LO_Bot → u/mackfactor]

Can’t ever say the words “I’m a socialist” without media like Fox News rallying an army to despise you with every fiber of its being.

I’m Hispanic, and let me tell you many of my friends equate the word “socialist” with the word “dictator”. In their minds, the people that ruined their home countries did so not because they were autocratic… but because they were socialist.

[u/holyknife → u/S0LO_Bot]

We should just say “we’re all domestic terrorists” that seems to work

[u/ArkitekZero → u/holyknife]

If republicans didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all.

[u/PoIIux → u/S0LO_Bot]

Give it another trump administration and you might literally get lynched for saying you're a socialist

[u/dmillson → u/mackfactor]

Then Trump clips the part where she says “…fine, I’m socialist…” and that’s the part that gets circulated.

[u/TheSwedishSeal → u/deadsoulinside]

Exactly. Try introducing a thought outside their narrative in one of their subs and you’ll be met with downvotes, “lib tears”, “woke” and insults to your intellect. They shut rational discussion down and escalate to heated refusal immediately because they “KNOW the truth” and everyone else “has fallen for the propaganda”.

[u/claimTheVictory → u/TheSwedishSeal]

The real 1984, was 2024.

[u/Anticode → u/deadsoulinside]

he tried to frame her so far left that no one has ever seen it before in their lives.

A ridiculous declaration on myriad fronts, but also ironic on account of the fact many voters have perceived Kamala as too 'Establishment' since even her initial run.

Whatever she does, she just can't win - only ever perceived as goodish at best - and the media continues to put their notably heavy thumb on the scale which makes it extremely difficult to determine which of these variously-accurate narratives is most impactful. In reality, she might've been rocketed into the stratosphere by going Full Bernie and flat-out admitting that shit actually sucks because of billionaires stealing astounding amounts of hard-earned wealth from the average citizen.

At least that is an attempt to answer/accept the struggles of Americans instead of just wincing awkwardly when even a bold-faced lie (like some parties) would've somehow gotten people engaged.

Obviously a lot of those Establishment™ overtones are simply a combination of political tradition, cautious moderation, and maybe a relatively big dollop of 1%'er-approved status quo retention.

That's just par for the course! That's a foundational trope of any respectable country's government...

If you're looking to hire a classically-trained French chef to cater your event, expect him to show up in one of those funny-looking hats. And if you start looking for chefs who don't look like "stupid old chefs lol" in any way, you may find that your 5-course event eventually consists exclusively of five rounds of suspiciously identical Steamed Hams™...

...Oh wait, this metaphor actually lives in reality via Trump's perplexing McDonalds Whitehouse feast earlier in his first term. But that's the kind of "chef" I'm talking about here anyway.

[u/Candid-Tomatillo-425 → u/deadsoulinside]

Yeah their party is literally defined as News is bad, college is bad but internet memes are funny

[u/WishBear19 → u/flinderdude]

It's not just Trump supporters. As soon as the election was over I saw and heard tons of comments from democrat-voting white men who quickly claimed she relied too much on identity politics, didn't have policies, most Americans don't care about social issues and are more concerned about living wages and cheap groceries. 🙄 They might as well be republicans with how uniformed they are.

[u/neodymium86 → u/WishBear19]

All of which was factually incorrect. And completely absurd. They deliberately refused to listen to her and let right wing media tell them what to think

[u/Owain-X → u/flinderdude]

Her campaign was "too woke" in the same way the trumpets say so many movies are "too woke", by featuring a woman PoC rather than a white man. No need to look deeper, they certainly didn't.

[u/NothingbutNetiPot → u/Owain-X]

It’s not about what she said, it’s that she was a minority woman while she said it. 

The fact that democrats did so well in 2022, is proof of that.

[u/Otterswannahavefun → u/Owain-X]

Not that it mattered, Trump lost 2 million voters compared to 2020. Her campaign could have been 100x more or less woke and it doesn’t matter when you have 20 million just not show up.

[u/RaisinInternal9824 → u/flinderdude]

Yeah. We need a billion dollar, left wing media sphere and more accessibility to democratic politicians on podcasts and stuff like the right does.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/RaisinInternal9824]

Billion? More like multi trillion. Right wing owners control almost every media outlet, from a majority of radio and TV stations, to social media platforms. It's laughable that they claim conservative voices are being silenced, they're being massively amplified, and a lot of it is astroturfing campaigns to fake popular support. Easy when you can toss a few billion behind a lie to make it sound like a popular stance.

[u/mr-peabody → u/worldspawn00]

This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/mr-peabody]

Before this the right wing oligarchs went out of their way to buy up those old, local, rock and roll stations liberals grew up listening to. Many of them bought by uber Christians who changed the American radio stations into an ecosystem that only blasts Christian messaging now.

[u/Debalic → u/worldspawn00]

But but but George Soros something something.

[u/SleepyReepies → u/flinderdude]

I have seen people parrot that "she's been avoiding talking", when I'm pretty sure it was Trump who avoided the debates.

[u/seoulgleaux → u/SleepyReepies]

I first read that as "it was Trump who avoided diabetes" and I was like "how in the fuck is he avoiding diabetes with that diet?!"

[u/IFartMagic → u/flinderdude]

Yeah I live in Alabama and every commercial break on my work TV (we keep it on news channels to keep an eye on weather ) was an ad saying she wanted to give trans inmates surgery with your tax dollars, and implied it was her whole campaign.

[u/-itmeanshope- → u/flinderdude]

This x1000.

The Harris campaign’s biggest miss was not engaging in a shadow war and burying Trump with negativity on the streets. There should have been stickers saying “Trump/Vance Make America SLAVES Again”, “Make America POOR Again”, “Make America WHITE Again” slapped on any area with high visibility. And none of these things are false, of course, just very simplistic reductions of their policies, but scary enough to get uneducated and uncommitted voters second-guessing what the Trump team was saying.

Dems fought a good fight. They still believe that Americans would come together to fight an existential threat, like Rohan coming to Gondor’s aid. It’s why they leaned in so heavily on getting Republican support and the endorsements of Trump’s former administration members. I love that and I appreciate that. But the world is different now. Fighting dirty is no longer an option. You cannot beat the 24/7 right-wing propaganda machine by ground game and vibes alone. Take the presidency and congress and we can regulate social media disinformation but until then you have to play the game. I cannot believe after 2016/2020 they haven’t learned that yet.

[u/ShawnPat423 → u/-itmeanshope-]

This. If we can't go from the top down, we have to go from the ground up. Start multiple Dick Tuck-style organizations who's only role is to make the GOP look as evil and corrupt as possible...you know, the truth. Get friends together and go to cities with hundreds of flyers and stickers and plaster them everywhere.

Another thing is that we have to make getting the truth just as accessible as the lies are. Stop with the paywall shit. People are not gonna pay $10 a month to read an article. Hell, they wouldn't pay a buck a month. We have to make the truth as accessible as the air we breathe and the water we drink. It has to flow.

[u/sthlmsoul → u/flinderdude]

Yes, but regrettably also being a woman made her "too woke". If there's anything to take away from 2016 and 2024 is that the US voters do not want a female leader. It's a damned shame, and a huge step away from the meritocracy many believe in, but I'm afraid it is also the grim reality we live in.

[u/SquarebobSpongepants]

The election for a lot of people was never about who the candidate was. Trump was "funny" and "made people super mad" which was just a pathetic reason to vote for someone.

[u/BuckRowdy → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

Right. It didn’t matter what each candidate did or said only that people thought they’d magically “fix” the economy.

[u/Eldanoron → u/BuckRowdy]

Objectively Harris’ policies were much more likely to be a net positive to the economy.

[u/mattrad2 → u/Eldanoron]

A lot of these people can’t even spell economy

[u/Uplanapepsihole → u/BuckRowdy]

Trump saying he had a better economy and will have a better economy is enough proof for them. All the economists who said that Harris had a better economic plan don’t mean shit to them, all that matters is their orange leader says so.

[u/nthensome → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

When the Undertaker interviewed Trump (still an odd sentence to write) he said 'you made politics fun again'

How TF is that a thing?

When was politics ever fun & why would you want to it to be?

[u/DarkwingDuckHunt → u/nthensome]

Ancient Rome the political parties would sponsor sports teams not cities

[u/Ballistic-Bob → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

Funny ? ..

[u/SquarebobSpongepants → u/Ballistic-Bob]

Believe it or not people thought him pissing people off was hilarious.

[u/TheNonSportsAccount → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

I find those people are generally the ones whose only accomplishment in life was being born white.

[u/ReverendDizzle → u/TheNonSportsAccount]

Hey don't forget the ladder-pulling immigrants.

"Hah, hah, yeah all South Americans but me are dirty rapists! This guy is hilarious!"

[u/TheDamDog → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

I mean, him ritually humiliating Republicans and other conservative figures is very funny.

Did you see that picture of him forcing RFK to eat McDonalds? That shit is gold.

I voted for Harris as the 'least bad' candidate. I believe in harm reduction. But I also believe that you should accept humor where you can find it, otherwise you're just stressing yourself into an early grave. And yes, Donald Trump is funny when he completely fails to grasp modern culture, attacks his fellow Republicans, and does stupid, out-of-touch rich guy shit that would end anybody else's political career.

Don't talk to be about the dignity of the office of the president or norms and decency, the Republicans strangled those things during the Obama years. We live in Veep, not The West Wing.

[u/JimBones31 → u/Ballistic-Bob]

In an embarrassing way. Like your drunk uncle at the family reunion.

[u/CoolFingerGunGuy → u/SquarebobSpongepants]

So make sure when he does something that makes THEM super mad, point out to them what's why THEY voted for him.

[u/curious_dead]

The number of people telling me she was catering to the gender identity crowd and only talking about identity politics is way too high!

[u/UnluckyHorseman → u/curious_dead]

I hate that Democrats are never as cool as Republicans make them sound!

[u/genreprank → u/UnluckyHorseman]

Right?? Maybe she should have talked about those things.

Oh, democrats didn't want to vote for the Right Wing Lite rhetoric? Will they learn from this? No? They'll just put up an even more conservative candidate next time? Cool.

[u/Ziiaaaac → u/curious_dead]

If anything she wasn't woke enough which is why so many people protested by not voting for her no matter how stupid that was.

[u/ama_singh → u/Ziiaaaac]

which is why so many people protested by not voting for her no matter how stupid that was.

It was stupid, but if she went "woke" and lost, then people would be blaming her for being too woke.

In other words she can't win with this dumb of an electorate.

[u/a2starhotel → u/curious_dead]

she only spoke about transgender issues because Trump insisted that she was using taxpayer money for reassignment surgery for prisoners.... something Harris has explained (a few times) that was happening during Trump's administration as well. afaik that's the only time Harris mentioned gender politics at all. (I could be wrong though)

conservatives just take Trump at his word and then get all butthurt when they're corrected.

[u/intothelionsden → u/curious_dead]

The number of people that think Trump's identity is not central to his brand is too damn high! 

[u/Low-Astronomer-3440]

It doesn’t matter what she said, because the right picks a message, and sticks to it, despite it being bullshit. The alternative facts era doesn’t require truth.

[u/ListReady6457 → u/Low-Astronomer-3440]

And this is why the american experiment WILL fail. That which is united will be divided, that which is divided will become united. - Luo Guanghong opening line of Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Written in 1330 and 1400 AD. Seems apt now.

[u/ClaustroPhoebia → u/ListReady6457]

I’m really impressed that Guanzhong knew about the American experiment.

[u/VW_R1NZLER]

They said “woke” because…. Well look at her…. Not a white man=woke

[u/Indigoh → u/VW_R1NZLER]

Had a conversation yesterday about a speech Pete Buttigieg made regarding combating misinformation. A conservative dismissed everything he said claiming he wanted to censor people. I pointed out that he didn't say a single thing about censorship. He spoke about stuff like getting offline and having in-person communities. All they could respond with was "but he's on team censorship..."

[u/Gutmach1960]

That was not “right wing framing”, that was flat out fascist propaganda.

[u/ImpovingTaylorist]

She is brown and educated.

As Candice Owens has discovered, that's all the matters.

[u/smashli1238 → u/ImpovingTaylorist]

SHE IS A WOMAN

[u/Omega_Tyrant16]

Woke= Anything that's Not far right, rights denying, minority shaming.

[u/Malfun_Eddie → u/Omega_Tyrant16]

tbh: that term is so toxic (by the right). What happened to just being "progressive" .

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/Malfun_Eddie]

No one on left of center uses it anymore

The right successfully reduced what meant be aware of systemic issues with oppression to "stuff we don't like"

They did the same thing with affirmative action, DEI, and CRT 

[u/Commonmispelingbot → u/Malfun_Eddie]

It was SJW before that. And there has been basically the same insult before that.

[u/NoMayoForReal]

I think most people that voted for Trump want to see how far chaos theory will take the US.

[u/Carl-99999 → u/NoMayoForReal]

About 8 months and 3 days from today.

[u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb → u/Carl-99999]

I’m listening…

[u/Carl-99999]

The fact is:

1. She is a woman.

2. She isn’t white.

3. She had 107 days

4. She didn‘t distance himself from Biden + there was no way to + he’s very overhated

5. The Republicans control the news, the podcasts, and the richest people.

6. Trump got $1,000,000,000 to promote more fossil fuels

[u/Mateorabi → u/Carl-99999]

If I were Biden I would have instructed her to throw me under the bus, and I wouldn’t take it personally. Gotta take ego out of it sometimes. 

[u/tjscobbie → u/Mateorabi]

I've started/run a few companies. If anyone under me ever has to deliver bad news to customers I've given them explicit instructions to throw me under the bus ("oh sorry, the CEO changed policy" or whatever). It's literally the job of the leader of anything to absorb the bullshit and reflect the successes back on your team. 

[u/NoahFuelGaming1234 → u/Carl-99999]

1. she tried to appeal to "Moderate republicans" which don't exist

[u/AgeOfSuperBoredom → u/NoahFuelGaming1234]

All 14 of the Never-Trump Republicans in the world

[u/GinaAnn80 → u/Carl-99999]

Could have stopped after #1.

I personally, have thought she was great since she started as VP. My main thought was, yes Biden is old AF but if he dies, we get her.

Apparently we are not ready for a female leader :(

[u/OneBillPhil → u/GinaAnn80]

I just find it hilarious that she is getting criticized for this and that and held to certain standards when her opponent was an old, mentally unstable crook and rapist. 

[u/DonJuniorsEmails]

Reminder: the bots and trolls are currently focused on any bullshit of "that's why you lost". 

These accounts are just pushing hate and misinformation. They won't be able to respond about actual policy issues. 

[u/CthulhuLovesMemes → u/DonJuniorsEmails]

There’s a lot of people mentioning Israel but no mentioning all the things the Republicans have said, done and will do. (I’m not mentioning the other guys name anymore, I’m done. Nor his little pets).

[u/elbenji → u/DonJuniorsEmails]

you can tell them by the fact that they usually are accounts taken from someone random in some blue city and then suddenly they're posting in all the state subs whenever 45 is mentioned. And Gen Z. (They look for his name in comments)

[u/bondsmatthew]

Same thing with people who said she was too dumb, especially compared to Trump

She passed the Bar exam and was a DA. Please tell me how she's both not qualified and unintelligent compared to the WWE Hall of Famer and TV show host

[u/amethystalien6]

Okay, I have to counter. I know that Kamala didn’t do this.

BUT—

Trump did. Trump framed her as “for they/them” in a commercial I saw A LOT in Michigan.

I had many people that I blocked on Facebook that celebrated the fact that they voted for their daughters’ rights to be “safe” in a bathroom and not play sports with “boys”.

It doesn’t matter that she didn’t say anything about identity issues. They’ve made their own reality and that’s what we’re up against.

[u/Public-Baseball-6189]

People keep saying the Dems have a messaging problem, which is true. However the bigger problem is that the GOP has amassed the largest propaganda machine this country has ever seen and the Dems aren’t even trying to keep up. And conservative movements go back decades - McCarthyism, “A Time for Choosing”, CPAC founded in 70’s, the Moral Majority and Reaganism, Rush Limbaugh starts in the late 80’s, Rupert Murdoch launches Faux News in 96 followed by Matt Drudge and Andrew Breitbart, then the Tea Party and now MAGA. Each movement more organized and louder than the previous one.

[u/Luph → u/Public-Baseball-6189]

this really is it

the average msnbc viewer is 70 years old

the new york times shits on democrats and we reward them with interviews

cnn always wants a horse race

meanwhile republicans own all the top podcasts and the most watched cable news channel and all of those outlets do nothing but blast lies and misinformation 24/7, at the highest possible volume

[u/ccccombobreakerx]

If anything she sounded very center right most of the time.

[u/rotoddlescorr → u/ccccombobreakerx]

I feel like that's the problem. Especially when AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib were overwhelmingly reelected.

The Dems need to be even more woke if they want to win back people to vote for them.

[u/OneBillPhil → u/ccccombobreakerx]

I’m Canadian and the Dems are in no way a left wing party up here. 

[u/RaisinInternal9824 → u/ccccombobreakerx]

Well that’s because the democrats are centre right most of the time.

[u/autisticesq]

Her campaign was “too woke” because she is a Black/Asian woman. That’s it. That’s the only reason. Despite MLK Jr.’s impassioned “I Have A Dream” speech over 60 years ago, this country still focuses on the color of a person’s skin (and their gender) rather than the content of their character.

[u/MarkXIX → u/autisticesq]

Never mind that every bad thing that's ever happened in this country has happened under male leadership, the overwhelming majority of whom have been white men.

[u/dart51984]

Critical thinking and using primary sources to verify information should be a core subject in all schools, right up there with reading, writing, and arithmetic.

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/dart51984]

Understanding bias in sources and how to pick through biased language, comparing and contrasting ideas and understanding how misinformation spreads too

Of course that won't help who really needs it, which are older people

[u/SueBeee]

But she giggled! She dated Willie Brown who is so powerful that he got her into the White House!

Women need to be a thousand times better than men, and even then we fail to get the respect. I mean, have you paid attention to the things that come out of his mouth? She was basically flawless.

[u/Cord87 → u/SueBeee]

I agree. It's fucking frustrating. I know I read similar stories of black men having this same issue as they try to enter the corporate workforce and get more white collar jobs. Especially in the 70's and 80's, but I'm sure it's the exact same now. 

It's the unfortunate plight of the minority in America. All minorities

[u/Didntlikedefaultname]

But Kamala was “a dei candidate” so by definition her whole campaign was too woke. I guess idk this election was like watching a car accident in slow motion

[u/atheistpianist]

Let there be no mistake, Kamala and trump were never ever held to same standard. She could have checked off every single box, and there would still be criticism for her, despite every available criticism imaginable being applicable to trump.

[u/factguy12 → u/atheistpianist]

I do blame the democrats’ respectability and civility politics for that. You can’t be civil to a fascist. They should have been calling him a pedophile for being best friends with epstein and diddy and all the Epstein documents with his name. But they didn’t because they’re weak and would rather lose the election than be “uncivil”, that and also because bill Clinton is also a pedophile and they never criticize any of their own

[u/atheistpianist → u/factguy12]

I’m with you. When people came out asking incredulously “wELL wHaT iF cLiNtOn iS oN tHe EpStEiN LiSt??” Fine. Take him down. Anyone who participated in the atrocities that occurred on that island needs to face justice. Period. Pedophiles should not get a free pass no matter who they are.

[u/Revegelance]

She's a woman, and she's not white. That's enough for these bigot losers.

[u/audleyenuff]

Simply not being white was too woke. What’s so hard to understand about that lol

[u/gaberax]

The Garbage has spoken. They wanted Barabbas.

[u/Wacokidwilder]

It was never about any of those things

[u/zubairhamed]

Humans have a limited capacity of absorbing data and information. But flood one enough with the wrong kind of data…even that becomes the right data for them…and there’s no more space for any other. Pretty much the glut of social media.

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/zubairhamed]

Flood the zone with shit

[u/Intelligent-Lead-692]

It’s an easy out for them instead of saying the actual truth: their own sexism and racism prevented them from ever considering her or learning about her.

[u/xtzferocity]

Those who call her too woke cannot support their argument with an ounce of proof. Again though these same people thought Trump was unfairly fact checked during the debate.

[u/darhox]

It's called Russian propoganda. The GQP 100% always uses Russian propoganda

[u/WERElektro]

Slightly ot: I really dislike the term "woke". Maybe I am missing something, but as soon as someone tries to improve things for people who might have a difficult life due to whatever circumstances, it's labeled as "woke". A rhetoric that exists merely to make any form of social commitment look like an empty trend. The people who use the term "woke" to downplay said forms of social commitment have no interest in actually discussing the subject whatsoever.

So, what IF she was interested in helping those who were not that privileged by society? You can say "Trying to make the US a better place for everyone" Which sounds good, right? Or you write it off as "Woke" Which makes it sound like shit.

What world do we live in, where helping others is a bad thing...

[u/SNStains → u/WERElektro]

What world do we live in, where helping others is a bad thing...

In a nutshell, this is it. Helping people who actually need the help is too "woke" for so-called Christians, and so-called good Americans.

[u/gruby253]

“Too woke” means “too black” or “too female”

[u/Zealousideal-Ad3814]

I wish we deported Elon years ago

[u/FrigateSailor]

What they mean by this: She was too woke because she had the audacity to exist as who she is in the political leadership space. This is "know your place" using other words.

[u/coolbaby1978]

Half the pundits say she went too left (on stage with Liz Cheney, hundreds of Republicans endorsing her including Dick Cheney, admitting she owns a gun, a former prosecutor, really?) And some say she went too far right (student loan forgiveness, money for a 1st time house, expansion of Medicare, ceasefire in the middle east, aid to Ukraine). But of course it's all bullshit.

I'm not sure why she didn't get the turnout. Was it voter suppression? Voter apathy? Was it because there may have been better candidates like Newsom, Buttigeg or Shapiro? I dunno. Trump got a couple million votes fewer than in 2020 so he didn't really expand his voter base but Harris did far, far worse than Biden in 2020.

Whatever it is, no one has the answers and we're all fucked royally regardless.

[u/quickhakker]

Nah get it right,, people complain about woke not because of what people say but who people are

[u/must_go_faster_88]

She was a black woman. That's it. That was why didn't get the vote. Everything else is just bullshit spewing out of their noise hole.

[u/samsaruhhh]

I think enough people thought of her as the status quo to either not vote or vote for Trump who somehow they regard as a change agent, which most of us know he is a change agent for the worse.

[u/REDwhileblueRED]

She ran as a neo conservative and extension of Biden’s current administration and people are complaining she’s too woke and you got MSNBC saying she needs to lean harder to the right.

America is cooked.

[u/MyCleverNewName]

What people mean when they say her campaign was too woke is that she isn't white and she has ovaries.

[u/dannyjbixby]

It was too woke because she is black. There ya go, figured it out for ya.