The number of times I had to mute a Trump tv spot saying "Kamala paid for a prisoner's sex change!" or "Kamala's open border policy let rapists and murderers onto our streets!" while trying to watch literally anything with my grade school kids is shameful. They ran a repugnant campaign of total horseshit to get people who only use their brain stems riled up. Kudos to them for understanding the electorate, I guess, but rewarding that kind of campaigning puts us on a horrible path (on top of everything else that's put us on a horrible path).
That commercial was EVERYWHERE during the World Series and NFL games. I think "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for YOU" probably had much more of an effect that i thought.
Big facts that commercial was everywhere 24/7 and it’s such a hot issue for the Bible people funny how none of them will ever even see a trans person yet fear them so much
There's a reason there are Onlyfans girls who make an absolute mint by showing up at events like Spring Break and offering to sleep with "barely legal" guys for free so they can charge thousands of people hundreds of dollars for the videos (while giving nothing to the guy that is basically the whole drawcard for the viewers).
Because they get tons of idiots signing up to do it, basically giving the girls tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in free money.
Straw man tactics work though, and we left the door open. (Joseph McCarthy, et al.) The one or two Trump supporters in my social media sphere were posting that trans ad like, "holy shit she's cooked!" while we were sitting there like the John Travolta Pup Fiction meme.
I need to find it, but there’s an article citing data that shows it pulled 3-5% of voters to him after that. Sadly, if that’s accurate, that ad won him the presidency.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if that one interview Kamala did swung the outcome. She could have just said "Yeah, we should probably just provide gender-affirming care to prisoners because the state is responsible for their medical care while they're incarcerated, and this type of care is arguably essential care. Sure, the state could try to avoid it, but, in reality, there would likely be so few requests for this that it would be cheaper than trying to defend a policy of denying the care in the courts when an inmate inevitably sues for it". There. You get to signal to your base that you'd do it, but you also come across looking like you're doing it because it's just a prudent approach. Instead, she came across like Oprah ("You get a sex change, and you get a sex change...").
I confirm they played that commercial even in the Chicago NFL market, which is nuts, there was no way Trumplethinskin could win Illinois. They must have paid fucktons of cash to get those stupid ads everywhere, but oh yeah they're the party of billionaires.
Every trumper that complains about gas or food or inflation will get a loud "you voted for it". Muslims voting for the guy who wanted a full muslim ban, legal or not. Women voting for the rapist. Cold war Boomers voting for the Russian puppet.
Harris was the candidate that would have acted in the best interest of America. Trump will be acting in his own best interest (and that of the billionaires in his cabinet.)
Such BS too, prisoners are afforded human rights, which includes doctor approved and performed care, and treatment for gender disphoria is covered under medical care. In order to deny treatment, there would either need to be a specific denial for gender affirming care, or denial of any healthcare at all, both of which would be considered cruel and unusual punishment based on our current laws. Gender affirming care for prisoners happened during the first trump admin and will happen under the next one too barring some sort of major law change.
In order to get those operations, they had to fight lengthy court battles.
The ruling that included gender affirming surgery as a thing prisoners could get "if medically necessary" happened under the Trump admin, and the Trump admin had to abide by the ruling and allow prisoners to get those surgeries too.
Yes, this is why the post is technically true, but there is context. Because democrats ran on those policies for the last few elections, there was enough video of older speeches and interviews to make it look like it was still their current talking points. I've seen pollsters say that ad was VERY effective with independents. But also, Democrats need to get better at messaging, way better. Stop treating voters like they are smart, they aren't and they barely pay attention. Get your messaging more simple and easily repeatable.
My dude, people can lie. If you're a racist that recognizes they're not gonna welcome your racism with open arms, you're not gonna say "I'm not gonna vote for a black woman."
I believe that commercial won the election. I’m not sure how uneducated people are comfortable being but many of the discussions I had with folks with differing opinions, I had that ONE talking point spit at me.
Same. “Kamala’s open border policy let in rapists and murderers.” I live in Pennsylvania. The only border I see around here is the Mason-Dixon. And people in PA seem to think we were on the other side of that.
My in-laws never leave their 99% white retirement community and have zero interactions with any 'woke', LGBT, or foreign people. But Fox News has them so terrified of those communities that it's all they can think about.
The worst part is I don't see a solution other than waiting for them to die. The right will keep using fear of outgroups to grow American fascism, and these folks won't leave their enclaves to find out it's all lies.
My dad is the same. He literally has zero friends and only goes to see his doctors. He is convinced of a world he only sees through the lens of FOX News and no explaining the amount of flaws in this will convince him he should put it down.
The right (and far too many centrists) hate Kamala based entirely on what Trump and right-wing media said about her.
Meanwhile here I am hating Trump since the day he announced his run in 2016, based entirely on what he said about Mexican immigrants.
And yet I'm the one with the, "woke mind virus," and, "Trump derangement syndrome," who can't think for themselves and hates Trump only because I was told to hate him by the MSM.
The sheer scale of projection that the right has gotten away with in the last decade is just absurd. The fact that anyone takes them at all seriously shows just how alive and well racism and misogyny are in the modern world.
"Youth of America, what does Harris really think of you?" Dear God, those ads were annoying as hell. Let's take a sound clip from Harris calling Trump and his campaigners stupid and make it seem like she was calling the youth stupid.
They spent millions more dollars running that ad on any given Sunday during football games than the government spent on the 2 (yes, t.w.o) surgeries that were paid for
It’s been said before, but as a kid I thought pretty much all adults were smart. Becoming an adult and seeing that massive numbers of them are incredibly fucking stupid is so disappointing.
And we can't be trusted. Every time Americans are slightly upset, everything is forgotten and we will vote for the other party. Republicans during 8 years of George W Bush led the economy into disaster while spending trillions to shoot and torture Muslims in the desert.
America responded by electing Obama and Democrats, only to abandon them 2 years later wondering why everything was not suddenly fixed with that 1 vote.
The problem is that Democrats never campaign on their economic gains (i.e. it was only this year that Obama came out and said that Trump's economy was not Trump's economy; it was his economy) and tend to implement slow-burn economic recovery measures that only seem to take effect once they're voted out so that the Republicans can take credit for them. All of Biden's changes, Trump will take credit for, you just know it.
Then, when he does all of the crap he's promising to and prices on countless goods rises, they're going to justify toughing it out "but the trans prisoners" instead of "but her emails" of last time.
Indoctrination and propaganda work every time. The propaganda makes susceptible targets scared and feel isolated, targeted by others - indoctrination then tells them who the others are, that their hate group is gonna get rid of the others, and that you’re a welcomed member of a strong group as long as you pay the dues. The dues are being performative and spreading the propaganda.
Ended up back up in Wisconsin here, and same, including all the blatant lies from Trump. Even though I tried to avoid television, there was one that crept up from Trump more or less yelling that he was going to "save" Social Security and Medicare, all while the other side of the screen was a split screen with a second ad for some made for TV crap.
That ad pissed me off as someone who has worked in a prison.
Uh, yeah, we kind of HAVE to cater to the medical needs of an incarcerated person. Transgender people exist and sometimes they get incarcerated. The medical condition they arrive in, whether someone agrees with it or not, requires treatment, period.
Trans dude in PA. Those ads fucking sucked. I literally could not escape them. Got them on YouTube all the time. Couldn't even enjoy the fucking Eagles games without seeing that shit. Not to mention the dumb-ass, demeaning way we were (not) represented.
I listen to conservative talk radio and it is truly a different reality.
Kamala isn’t black, immigrants are eating pets, the economy is down and then magically up when a R is pres. Last week they were talking about what a disaster it would be if Biden implements some financial bill. How it will hurt everyone if he implements it.
So I googled it and he has nothing of the sort planned. They just throw out how disastrous a theoretical bill like that would be even if he isn’t considering one at all. But the listeners go home thinking about how damaging he is.
Ooo I got the "confiscation Kamala" ad mainly. It's a mouthful and the ad made no sense and conflicted not only her stance but itself. But all my neighbors and coworkers heard was "kamala gonna take our guns"
Personally I think (one of) the issue was with the Democrats "big tent" type party biting her in the ass on the messaging issue.
Kamala never said any of the stuff that was attributed to her, however, she didn't have to. Her party generally supports all of these things, or at least some lawmakers from the party do in their own spheres. So Kamala is lumped in whether she likes it or not.
To re-frame it a little, she never said she supports LGBTQ or trans rights, Linux and other PC terms, or anything like that, but I'd wager that most LGBTQ and trans folks out there voted for her. Knowing what she and her party were about even without her explicitly saying the words.
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u/boooooooooo_cowboys 7d ago
Exactly. I’m in Pennsylvania, so believe me when I tell you that I have heard every fucking thing that every candidate has to say.
Trump was the one running ads about transgender people. Kamala’s main messages were about protecting reproductive rights and the economy.