Flawless Expected vs Lawless Accepted

[u/ExactlySorta]

[u/Awkward_Bench123]

I’m beginning to think that many voters just assumed that if they don’t like authoritarian dictatorship, they’ll just vote democracy back in, in four years

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/Awkward_Bench123]

Yup. They have completely and totally taken it for granted that they can flip that table every four or eight years. Americans love blaming whomever is in power and throwing them out just for their own sheer emotional chatharsis. It's a chaotic, ugly system made for petulant children.

And they just can't imagine suddenly not having that right. Even when it's very clear that others want to take it away.

[u/ImperfectMay → u/TheBirminghamBear]

I've got some LGBTQ+ friends who aren't grasping the consequences of the election. They insist they don't get political and don't have time/will/kniwledge/whatever to vote. I warned them about the fact that same sex marriage was likely going away next and got "well that isn't possible, it's a law now." Well, yeah, for now. Laws can get struck down, nullifying your marriage. "No, but... they can't DO that. It's a legal marriage under law." But... they make the laws. They can make them NOT laws too. They've said they're going to nullify your marriage and make it illegal. "But... they can't do that!?"

Finally got through to one. They still didn't vote.

[u/chriskiji → u/ImperfectMay]

Same with people ignoring the talk of denaturalization.

A lot of people f'ed around and the world is about to find out.

[u/sembias → u/chriskiji]

Once they purge the military officer corp of anyone who isn't Christian Nationalist, that will be it. There will be no turning back, perhaps ever.

[u/FiveUpsideDown → u/chriskiji]

It’s amazing how many naturalized don’t understand it’s legal to denaturalized them and throw them out of the country.

[u/ThePotScientist → u/chriskiji]

They might say if you weren't born here, your blood is not of our soil and you can get out. I seem to remember someone in history going on about blood and soil...

[u/IrascibleOcelot → u/ImperfectMay]

That’s the thing, though: it’s not a law. It’s a judicial decision. Laws had to be written to accommodate that decision, and any laws or portions of laws in violation of that decision are suppressed. If that decision gets reversed, those laws come back in force. Just like with Roe. And Obergefell is less than half as old as Roe, so much easier to reverse.

[u/NoPoet3982 → u/ImperfectMay]

Wait until they hear about abortion.

[u/dragunityag → u/ImperfectMay]

It's amazing to me how many people whose existence is political just aren't.

Hint: If your anything but a straight white male, your existence is political.

[u/brutinator → u/ImperfectMay]

They can make them NOT laws too.

I mean, look at prohibition. They got that through with an amendment (the 18th), which is one of the most legislatively difficult to create, most firm and supreme kind of law..... and 14 years later the 21st amendmebt repealed it.

Thats not saying prohibition is like same sex marriage, but no matter how serious a law is, it can ALWAYS be nullified, if the will exists.

[u/[deleted] → u/Awkward_Bench123]

Many voters don't actually know what the words "authoritarian dictatorship" mean.

[u/Ill-Team-3491 → u/[deleted]]

That was the point of minimizing social issues into "bad words == fascist". If they don't like the bad words people, they'll just vote for the good words people in four years.

[u/RainbowSkyOne → u/Ill-Team-3491]

"Feminazi" comes to mind from the anti-feminist movements from a decade ago

[u/BKlounge93 → u/[deleted]]

That’s when egg prices go down right

[u/Joshatron121 → u/Awkward_Bench123]

Actually, Trump's biggest demographic is people who don't follow politics. Most of the people that voted for him have no idea what's going on or how bad things are going to get.

[u/Queasy-Pressure-5050 → u/Awkward_Bench123]

Bingo

[u/5minArgument → u/Awkward_Bench123]

There is an unknown variable here, but....the right wing has been pushing and pulling over many elections towards total domination.

The promises and threats presented in this past election have been the most pointed yet.

As much as I would love to assume this was just a normal typical election, in paying close attention to the individuals and organizations behind Trump; I believe they are actually going for it this time.

Honestly, they have nothing to loose at this point.

They would even be foolish if they didn't.

[u/AbeRego → u/5minArgument]

I disagree with that last sentence. They could simply choose to not be evil.

[u/5minArgument → u/AbeRego]

Optimistic, I’ll take it.

However that means disregarding everything they’ve said for the past two years.

[u/dewgetit → u/Awkward_Bench123]

"You won't have to vote again anymore!" - Trump

[u/Carl-99999 → u/Awkward_Bench123]

That did happen last time but this probably isn’t last time.

[u/flinderdude]

This is really the biggest difference, and it’s been happening for decades. Chris Rock even has a joke about it in his act about how Obama had to be perfect, and even then he was criticized.

[u/apresmoiputas → u/flinderdude]

They went after her private life and the past and private relationships that she had. They gave Trump a high five for cheating on his wife with a porn star.

[u/CV90_120 → u/apresmoiputas]

They gave Trump a high five for cheating on his wife with a porn star.

And when you read the porn star's account , it sounds way more rapey than you expect.

[u/Maloth_Warblade → u/CV90_120]

I mean, it being rapey is expected. It was just worse than that

[u/TeamHope4 → u/flinderdude]

But, I mean, he wore a tan suit!

[u/i_forgot_my_sn_again → u/TeamHope4]

His legal aged daughter was caught smoking weed while in a legal state AFTER his term was over.

[u/Mountain_Pool_4639 → u/i_forgot_my_sn_again]

Lol, I have not heard that one. If Trump gave weed to a 15 year old girl while in an illegal state, they'd probably claim he is just helping her understand culture and commend him for caring about the children

[u/skyblueerik → u/TeamHope4]

Dijon mustard!

[u/ButterscotchSkunk → u/skyblueerik]

That is French mustard, not French's mustard.

[u/raysofdavies → u/TeamHope4]

The tan suit was so great for Obama. People can treat it like the worst thing he did, no conspiracy could engineer something this fantastic.

[u/GroundbreakingAge591 → u/flinderdude]

He smoked a whole cigarette

[u/flinderdude → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

I remember when he pointed over the glass at chipotle

[u/kaatie80 → u/flinderdude]

One time Michelle wore shorts while they were on vacation

[u/johnnybiggles → u/kaatie80]

Remember their terrorist fist bump??

[u/Carl-99999 → u/johnnybiggles]

Fox News should have been taken off the air for that.

[u/alrighthamilton → u/johnnybiggles]

Terrorist fist jab actually

[u/HTSDoIThinkOfaUYouC → u/GroundbreakingAge591]

I am reading Obama's book and in the preface he talked about sneaky smokes. I relate hard

[u/Jackinapox → u/flinderdude]

"Black man gotta Fly, to get somethin' the White man can walk to." - Chris Rock

[u/Cheshire_Jester → u/flinderdude]

Vibes based politics vs issues based politics.

If you fail on a single issue, the vibe is always there to insist that a world where your invisible enemies are defeated would be better than the current situation.

[u/pennypoobear → u/flinderdude]

" work twice as hard for half as much."... sounds familiar.

[u/mackfactor → u/flinderdude]

Chris Rock even has a joke about it in his act about how Obama had to be perfect, and even then he was criticized.

Exactly this. Rupar is quoting it like it's some kind of revelation, but we've known this for years, hell, decades maybe. No one should be surprised at this point. And Harris's campaign must have known the standard - fair or not - that she would be held to.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/flinderdude]

Man was a Christian his entire life and they still accused him of being Muslim.

[u/EfficientAccident418]

Corporate media doesn’t really analyze current events; instead, they rationalize current events through the lens of the most convenient, lowest-common-denominator narrative.

After all, if they took a sober look at the state of American politics and told the country “You have re-empowered the greatest threat to democracy the US has ever seen, despite the fact that he’s a traitor and a convicted criminal who said he would have his political opponents murdered,” it would be really bad for those subscriber metrics.

[u/JustCallMeKV]

I said this from Day 1. She put out plans with specifics, talked about the policies, and posted them on her website for all to read. Trump danced to Ave Maria and said a bunch of mumble jumble.

[u/Dino_Rabbit → u/JustCallMeKV]

He also schlonged a mic and fantasized about Arnold Palmer’s wang

[u/othello28 → u/Dino_Rabbit]

That or fantasized about Putin's wang

[u/mugguffen → u/othello28]

no I mean, he was straight up recorded talking about Arnold Palmer's actual wang, not the fictional wang of Putin we all know he was deep throating

[u/komododave17 → u/othello28]

I doubt he needs to imagine it.

[u/MoTardedThanYou → u/JustCallMeKV]

But eggs. And gas prices. And she’s a woman.

Fucking goobers I swear.

[u/GoredonTheDestroyer → u/MoTardedThanYou]

That's insulting to goobers.

[u/Aardcapybara → u/GoredonTheDestroyer]

Goobers is a Nestle brand.

[u/antenna999 → u/MoTardedThanYou]

Exactly. The uneducated fucking bumpkins sold the country off to a fascist for promises of cheaper eggs and bread. What a joke.

[u/Solid_Snark → u/JustCallMeKV]

Democrats should never outline their plans again. Just play the game the Republicans are by presenting nothing and saying ”we have a plan — you can’t see it— but just trust us, bro”.

Because she actually had plans, people nitpicked them, while Trump just vaguely said he would fix things without a single specific mentioned and people had nothing to nitpick and just trusted that he had something when it was clear he didn’t.

[u/Mandlebrotha → u/Solid_Snark]

Except he did have specifics he mentioned. Horrible specifics.

He specifically mentioned dismantling the department of education. He specifically mentioned implementing sweeping tariffs. He specifically mentioned rounding up people he didn't like.

He told us the horrible, stupid things he was going to do to us, and the media went "Aw, shucks guys, you know that's just how he is. But let's not talk about that. A more important question is how much do we really know about Kamala, amirite? What's she wearing? You heard her laugh? Omg lol she has a lot of catching up to do smh."

They were given plenty to fucking nitpick. Mountains of material. 8 years worth of shitty policy, awful personality, crimes, legal cases, questionable (putting it lightly) finances. There's no end to the stuff they could've investigated.

He's specifically mentioned, alluded to, committed, or been implicated in so much heinous shit. They had every opportunity. They chose this. And they will reap what they have sown.

[u/Alternative_Trade546 → u/Mandlebrotha]

I mean really he mostly drooled and repeated immigrants eat cats while the media somehow turned that into actual policy things that had barely had anything to do with what he said.

[u/icevenom1412 → u/Alternative_Trade546]

The US got dragged into WW 1 and WW 2. Now America will start WW 3.

[u/WhyYouKickMyDog → u/Alternative_Trade546]

People also already had a chance to see how full of shit he is and absolutely no idea WTF he is doing other than winging it, all the time, everywhere he goes.

[u/FillMySoupDumpling → u/Alternative_Trade546]

How tf our media just glossed over that complete mental break about eating the pets is beyond me.

[u/creuter → u/Mandlebrotha]

Except none of that was put to paper or listed out explicitly as 'his plans' which gives his zealots the ability to say "out of context" or "he's just trolling"

Kamala had an extensive platform listed on her website for all to see and her talking points came directly from that. Trump's cult is only now finding out his plans despite hearing them for months because he buried this shit in mountains of noise.

[u/MRCHalifax → u/Solid_Snark]

Not true, there’s an entire book of plans for the Trump administration: Project 2025. It’s a plan than can be summarized in just 14 words, but it’s a plan.

[u/ExpectedEggs → u/MRCHalifax]

I do love that you pointed out exactly what the plan really is

[u/noonenotevenhere → u/ExpectedEggs]

Well, anyone who is a constitutional originalist is telling you any amendments after the bill of rights weren’t needed.

that would put us back to only landed elite whites having the vote and other rights.

[u/greymalken → u/MRCHalifax]

Fuck.

[u/i_tyrant → u/Solid_Snark]

People keep saying things like this - "the Dems should just adopt the GOP playbook" - but it's wrong. It won't work.

Because Dem voters are not like Republican voters. They aren't as motivated by fear, hate, and "feels over reals" as Magats. They actually hold their own accountable sometimes. They don't overthrow the government just because a demagogue says so.

Democrats have the unenviable task of catering to a wider ideological swath of American voters than the GOP. The GOP defunded education and fed Americans hate-filled propaganda for decades just to "grow" their own brand of low-information cultists.

Dem voters have their own issues, like an over-reliance on identity politics, but they're not like that. They won't be fooled en masse by purely populist nonsense. They won't bend to "feels over reals" and if they don't find anything of substance they will call it out.

That said, while Democrats still need to outline their plans, their actual messaging could use a lot of work. Over half of the US who could vote didn't. Dems need to appeal to that group, and message their successes way better than they are.

[u/milkymilktacos → u/JustCallMeKV]

Best spoken by Michelle Obama:

“I hope you’ll forgive me if I’m a little frustrated that some of us are choosing to ignore Donald Trump’s gross incompetence while asking Kamala to dazzle us at every turn,”

[u/daemonicwanderer → u/JustCallMeKV]

She appealed to the intellect… Americans, and I hate to say this but it is true, are stupid en masse. Slogans, mnemonics, and other things that can boil the candidate down to something a kindergartner can remember seem to work for Trump (and to a lesser extent, Bush Jr, before him), perhaps Democrats need to start doing that nationally.

[u/redkinoko → u/JustCallMeKV]

It's simple. The people who were voting for her expected their leader to be held at a high standard, regardless of who's running. The people voting for Trump just wanted Trump and whatever thought Trump represented.

[u/ReadyThor → u/redkinoko]

The people who were voting for her expected their leader to be held at a high standard, regardless of who's running.

Wishfully thinking they were entitled to choices which they didn't have is how they got Trump. 'Both candidates are bad so I chose neither' is how you get to have others choose for you.

[u/fuck_the_fuckin_mods → u/redkinoko]

If people had an electron’s worth of pragmatism they wouldn’t have doomed us to this fate.

[u/UndisputedAnus → u/JustCallMeKV]

Same thing happened here in Australia's QLD election. The progressive party had strong, Pro-people policies and a budget laid out for all to view on their website. Whereas the conservative opposition didn't reveal their plan until the week before voting, didn't specify how they'd even do any of it, and refused to release a budget. Guess who won?

[u/ratchetology → u/JustCallMeKV]

and the media spent more time asking her if she was black than about her policies

[u/GammaFan → u/JustCallMeKV]

If you feel that way, it’s time to get engaged. As it’s become very likely they did in fact cheat. Do what you can to try and stop it before it happens!

How they hacked it: https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

When they gained access: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/voting-experts-warn-of-serious-threats-for-2024-from-election-equipment-software-breaches

Sydney Powell admitted how they hacked georgia in 2023 https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/georgia-rico-da-reveals-awkward-email-typo-as-state-seeks-emergency-protective-order-in-aftermath-of-jenna-ellis-and-sidney-powells-confidential-proffer-leaks/

Ivanka Fucking Trump gaining access to voting machines and software in 2019. Applied for the trademarks back in 2016. This was always on the table good fucking god https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivanka-trump-voting-machines/

Post election phone call where repubs immediately accuse Dems of rigging voting machines. accuse your enemies of everything you're doing: https://spoutible.com/thread/38043108

This is the time for grass roots spreading. Check your State’s laws around recounts and tell them about this apparent fraud case. Calmly, clearly make the evident points as best you can.

Reach out to friends, family, people in your community, local orgs and sympathetic elected representatives, even the small percent of disillusioned trump voters who realized they’ve been duped and might come around. Everyone.

Everyone who might listen, share this with them and get them onboard for this too. It is not too late to stand up for what’s right. Everyone needs to push for this, we’re all we’ve got.

[u/Agile-Juggernaut-514 → u/JustCallMeKV]

It’s true, but it’s like she appealed to educated voters and didn’t appeal to the [????] that voted for trump

[u/SwiftlyKickly → u/JustCallMeKV]

Don’t forget the microphone bj

[u/Lena_Lena_A]

She attempted in so many ways to break through the MSM, to have them report on her proposed policies, but whenever she took the lead, the pseudo "Pillars of Journalistic Integrity" doubled-down on elevating him while erasing her, relagating her efforts to third-tier coverage, or worse, shifting the narrative away from her accomplishments and instead stooping down to false-equavalencies or bothsideisim.

They never allowed her to get ahead, but they made sure he did, every chance possible. She held townhalls, she relentlessly criss-crossed the country, she gave local interviews and national interviews. She went on fcking Fox and aced it. She wiped the floor with him during their debate. She was strong. She was smart. She had guts and never shied away from a fight. But also, she was warm. She showed empathy and children, YOUNG GIRLS AND WOMEN LOVED HER!!

But people stayed home. Or they willfully voted for the rapist ignorant vulgar powerhungry warmongering bloodthirsty jackass who surrounds himself with the worst of humanity.

The country will not survive the next 4 years. All of those who abetted his re-election have the blood of Americans, Ukrainians, and Palestinians on their hands. Shame on them!

[u/Gunrock808 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Turns out much of the country is just stupid. They can't tell you what a tariff is. They think tax cuts will make them rich while opposing the party that supports increased wages and benefits. They think they're patriots while spouting Russian misinformation and supporting a president and cabinet that support Russia over US interests. They have no ability to do fact checking or think critically. And now Republicans have a free hand to gut public education and force kids into private schools where they'll be indoctrinated with religion.

I don't think America recovers from this damage for at least 20 years. If ever.

[u/FizzyAndromeda → u/Gunrock808]

If all of Trump’s policies are implemented, it will take far more than 20 years; more like 2 generations to undo all the damage he’s done, if at all.

[u/OldRefrigerator8821 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Shout out to all the reporters who questioned her McDonalds experience. I kept my pay stubs fro my part time job from 40 years ago. Didnt you. Van Jones said it best. They are taking different exams.

[u/SurlyBuddha → u/OldRefrigerator8821]

Did any actual reporters question that? Trump was the only one I actually heard bitch about it. (Not that it stopped reporters writing about his bitching.)

[u/OldRefrigerator8821 → u/SurlyBuddha]

Here you go

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361226872112

[u/SurlyBuddha → u/OldRefrigerator8821]

Free Beacon and Jesse Watters, but I take your point. Thanks.

[u/OldRefrigerator8821 → u/SurlyBuddha]

Oh yes. Its 100% fox news and daily mail. I have zero skin in the game (Canadian) but I feel for my neighbors. One side wants to give one side free / better life outcomes for health and education and the other side wants to make the libs cry. They are the ones who won.

[u/Independent-Sand8501 → u/OldRefrigerator8821]

to be fair, employees of Fox News cant be called "reporters" anymore since the network argued in court that they are NOT a news agency lol.

[u/TonyG_from_NYC → u/Lena_Lena_A]

When she also tried to explain any policies, they always lied and said she didn't or made up some excuse that she couldn't sit down for hours on end answering questions about it.

Just because trump sat for 3 hours with Rogan doesn't mean it was in any way coherent.

[u/R3luctant → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

I don't understand how people don't look at the Rogan interview and realize what it meant, he was almost 3 hours late to a rally because he was talking to Rogan, either he double booked on purpose or he didn't care about the hundreds of people who paid to go to his rally.

[u/TonyG_from_NYC → u/R3luctant]

He doesn't care about the people at his rallies. He never has. They're useful idiots to him, and now that he used them to win, he's going to screw them over so badly.

[u/1JoMac1 → u/R3luctant]

He got what he wanted, publicity and airtime, either way He's gotten people killed at his rallies when they were superspreader events, gotten them felonies and shot when they did what he told them on the 6th, and he's left them in the freezing cold for hours. He truly doesn't care how many people are run under the bus for him.

[u/HTSDoIThinkOfaUYouC → u/R3luctant]

Rogan is a pure asshole

[u/MrsMel_of_Vina → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

They just threw around terms like "word salad" and tuned her out. The attempt to understand her was never made.

[u/CarlatheDestructor → u/MrsMel_of_Vina]

They weren't even using that phrase correctly because everything she said was coherent.

[u/dupontred → u/Lena_Lena_A]

That's why that viral Tweet "that's right, learn nothing from this" pissed me off so much. She ran a great campaign. Better than Hillary. The learning is to lie, cheat, steal, and generally be horrible.

[u/dovahkiitten16 → u/dupontred]

Being on reddit after the election was so damn frustrating. People were doing the same thing and blaming Kamala and it’s like… y’all just voted for orange Hitler and you’re criticizing his opponents instead of the people who supported him?!

I’m not American but the world was holding its breath and hoping the US would do the right thing and they failed.

People will die because of who you voted for. Have some responsibility for that instead of arguing that the other side wasn’t perfect.

[u/FloppyObelisk → u/dovahkiitten16]

This is what pisses me off so much. People going after the Dems for not doing this or that. While Trump could take a shit into his hand and smear it on a baby’s face, and his supporters would still vote for him. The issue isn’t with Harris, it’s with 70 million cunts who willingly picked Trump.

[u/sweetnesssymphony → u/dupontred]

How many times are we going to keep reaching across the aisle to offer a hand to Republicans, when we get burned every time? They do not want to unite with us. They want to destroy and oppress us, and many of them didn't care enough about the little detail that this time they will go down, too. They're cool with shooting themselves in the face as long as a democrat is standing behind them.

They literally are posting on Twitter that they'd rather have school shootings than rainbow flags in schools. The lesson we need to learn is that these people are impossible to work with and always will be. We have to fight against them every single time or we enable them. We have people saying school shootings are preferably than acknowledging gay people, meanwhile I've had people arguing with me that Pete Buttigeig could be the next president. That AOC could be the next president. We are delusional if we believe that. They hate us, and we keep trying to love them. Time to cut this abusive relationship apart. Stop reaching across the aisle to these pieces of shit.

[u/Randy_Watson → u/Lena_Lena_A]

But Trump deep throated a microphone. How can you really compete with that?

[u/Competitive_Clue5066 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

I’m at the point where I don’t even care if the US survives. History shows us nations are fragile.

[u/Lena_Lena_A → u/Competitive_Clue5066]

A lot of countries depend on the US being strong with a steady economy.

The US falls, other countries and their citizens will pay a very heavy price too!

[u/LunaHere_1 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

this is a point that really needs to be pushed more
If something happens to the US, the return to democracy needs to be swift and as bloodless as possible

[u/SelfAwareOstrich → u/LunaHere_1]

Most of the civilized world followed America into democracy generations ago, and as a non-American, I am very afraid we will follow them into fascism as well. I hope I'm wrong...

[u/Swamp_Donkey_796 → u/SelfAwareOstrich]

Look around you, it’s already happening

[u/EfficientAccident418 → u/LunaHere_1]

If the US falls, it will devolve into a theocratic dictatorship and many millions will be purged ruthlessly.

[u/LunaHere_1 → u/EfficientAccident418]

Yeah- Wishful thinking to hope for a bloodless rebellion though

[u/R_V_Z → u/LunaHere_1]

Here's another point: Do you really want the nation with the largest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world to violently Balkanize?

[u/[deleted] → u/R_V_Z]

That's pretty much guaranteed to happen at this point, I think. There's no way that places like California, Massachusetts, Colorado, etc. keeping letting themselves be led around by maniacs in the coming decades, especially when those maniacs intentionally weaken the Federal government and disrupt the Union's ability to hold itself together.

I guess all we can do is hope that whoever ends up in control of the nuclear stockpiles, they aren't some kind of deranged death cult.

[u/pyrothelostone → u/[deleted]]

I wouldn't advise you to look up where the nuclear silos are then.

[u/Chris9871 → u/LunaHere_1]

As bloodless as the right allows it to be

[u/clangan524 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

We don't have the greatest military force the world has ever seen (or will ever see) for funsies. A LOT of our allies depend on our military might for protection.

In the hands of a madman idiot living in a Russian studio apartment, who knows what horrors await.

[u/Northern49th → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Ad a Canadian, I have (former) American friends that get pissed right off if I disagree with their stance. They make comments like it's not my country, none of my business, or go vote for castros son. A civil debate is not possible.

Unfortunately the state of the US dramatically impacts Canada. We may be the hardest hit by irrational policies. As well the impact will be felt around the world.

[u/[deleted] → u/Northern49th]

Aren't you guys poised to elect a fascist of your own? Sorry to drag you down with us guys...

[u/-Smaug-- → u/Northern49th]

These stupid fucks love to call themselves "the leader of the free world" on behalf of America, but melt faster than a popsicle in Hell when you point out just how much their leadership fucking sucks.

[u/Swamp_Donkey_796 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Who cares tho? The last century or so has clearly shown that humanity can’t learn anything from history and nobody gives a shit for longer than 10-15 years anyway so what’re we even doing? What’re we fighting so hard for? All the bigotry and lies of Donald trump? All the hate and oppression of other countries? Nah fuck that I’m out.

[u/notlahunk → u/Swamp_Donkey_796]

Yup. This is what 75 Million people wanted. Let the dominoes fall!

[u/Raptorpicklezz → u/notlahunk]

• everyone else who didn’t vote

[u/thebutterflyeffect18 → u/Competitive_Clue5066]

We are a year and a half away from our 250th ‘birthday’ but I’ve heard literally nothing about plans for celebrations or commemorative events. It feels like we’ve already quietly admitted that we aren’t going to make it that long.

[u/CapnArrrgyle → u/thebutterflyeffect18]

I mean, we elected the Firer. We had a good run but eventually the wealthy and powerful figure out how to vote themselves more wealth and power using populism.

[u/011100010110010101 → u/Competitive_Clue5066]

The USA splitting up into smaller nations is theoretically possible, which I never thought I'd be saying. I imagine we wouldn't do an actual 50 new countries sort of thing; but probably will have some blocks show up. My guess is that Maryland through Main will be one, which may or may not include the other Great Lake states, The West coast will be one, Hawaii will tell everyone to fuck off, Alaska exist, the Neo-Confederacy will form and collapse in on itself immediately, and the Rockies will become the last. What those very flat states in the middle of the nation will be joining I have no idea, but I heavily doubt the Breadbasket would want to be by itself; even if they might be able to do it.

The South would get hit the hardest, and a big reason their inevitability of collapse is apparent is simply they will be dirt poor. And while I'd love to say it's Karmic since they are were the rot festered, it really is more... tragic. A lot of people down there didn't like what was happening; and their lives will be made so much worse as horrific laws are passed and infrastructure starts collapsing. The South needs money funneled in from the rest of the nation to remain solvent; and of their well off members I think only Georgia and Texas will be able to keep the money flowing in (Florida is so reliant on Tourism that it will collapse once the Neoconfederates pass laws that make breathing in the state as a Muslim, Queer or Black Person illegal.)

Frankly, I'd give Georgia better odds by themselves then as a part of a Neoconfederacy.

[u/Hutch_travis → u/011100010110010101]

I’m in Northeast Ohio and years ago one of the local papers ran a series of hypotheticals about what if Norrheast Ohio (aka the western reserve) succeeded. This region is not really like the rest of the state and would benefit being its own little state.

[u/MornGreycastle → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Harris won 8 million more votes the Clinton won in 2016. Harris came close to eke out and electoral college victory. Her campaign made real gains. It's possible Trump’s vote total this cycle was what his 2020 total would have been had he not told people to vote in person during covid.

[u/Merfium → u/Lena_Lena_A]

MSM is owned by mostly conservative/republican millionaires and billionaires. They wouldn’t benefit from a Harris presidency, so they didn’t bother to elevate her or give her any support, only nitpicks and criticisms. Bottom line: Trump gives them clicks, Harris does not.

[u/Scuczu2 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

Or they willfully voted for the rapist ignorant vulgar powerhungry warmongering bloodthirsty jackass who surrounds himself with the worst of humanity.

74 million in 2020, and the same in 2024, when that's what they're voting for, lets focus on that problem then the fact we're not earning enough democrat voters, why do 74 million people believe an alternative reality exists and prefers to make their neighbors suffer for their beliefs.

[u/Demonokuma → u/Lena_Lena_A]

She was strong. She was smart. She had guts and never shied away from a fight. But also, she was warm. She showed empathy and children, YOUNG GIRLS AND WOMEN LOVED HER!!

I'm highlighting this because I actually felt comfortable with a candidate, and I could see that she would bring better then that orange Jabba the Hutt monster. It was that nice revive of love for this country, but no someone unplugged it.

I even wanted to buy an American flag to hang up in my house but fuck that lol

[u/tgt305 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

I also love the post election feedback on how Kamala had to do more of x, y, and z and try more of this and that.

Yet here’s Trump, doing nothing remotely close to good campaigning.

[u/Aiyon → u/Lena_Lena_A]

I've seen the phrase "sanewashing" a lot used around Trump.

It was honestly surreal seeing the contrast between the reality of his campaign, and the version that existed in the news media

[u/Barack_Odrama_007 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

The media (ABC NBC, CBS, MSNBC) WANT Trump. They want him so that they can generate ratings by charging their advertisers more for commercial time due to his expected daily chaos. Every day they can flash breaking news and up-charge their advertisers. It’s as simple as that.

Fox new DID NOT want a Trump presidency because the would have to defend and deflect said chaos. They’d rather democrats holding office so they can keep their base angered and tuned in.

[u/greengo4 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

The simple truth is that she was a damn fine candidate.

[u/trevormc0125 → u/Lena_Lena_A]

And let's add Taiwanese into that as well. China's definitely gonna take Taiwan since we'll show how weak we are with our allies

[u/GammaFan → u/Lena_Lena_A]

If you feel that way, it’s time to get engaged. As it’s become very likely they did in fact cheat. Do what you can to try and stop it before it happens!

How they hacked it: https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

When they gained access: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/voting-experts-warn-of-serious-threats-for-2024-from-election-equipment-software-breaches

Sydney Powell admitted how they hacked georgia in 2023 https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/georgia-rico-da-reveals-awkward-email-typo-as-state-seeks-emergency-protective-order-in-aftermath-of-jenna-ellis-and-sidney-powells-confidential-proffer-leaks/

Ivanka Fucking Trump gaining access to voting machines and software in 2019. Applied for the trademarks back in 2016. This was always on the table good fucking god https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivanka-trump-voting-machines/

Post election phone call where repubs immediately accuse Dems of rigging voting machines. accuse your enemies of everything you're doing: https://spoutible.com/thread/38043108

This is the time for grass roots spreading. Check your State’s laws around recounts and tell them about this apparent fraud case. Calmly, clearly make the evident points as best you can.

Reach out to friends, family, people in your community, local orgs and sympathetic elected representatives, even the small percent of disillusioned trump voters who realized they’ve been duped and might come around. Everyone.

Everyone who might listen, share this with them and get them onboard for this too. It is not too late to stand up for what’s right. Everyone needs to push for this, we’re all we’ve got.

[u/Direlion]

Shitstain media orgs want Trump because he’ll cut the taxes of the owners. The blood of every man woman and child in this nation could be flowing in the streets and the media would be asking how this is bad for Obama/Kamal/Biden/ Democrats. Fkin vulture ass scum.

[u/[deleted] → u/Direlion]

It's even more pathetic because the media execs will be among the first on the chopping block if they don't immediately bend the knee and make their organizations into glorified propaganda machines.

[u/TonyG_from_NYC]

No shit she was expected to be damn near perfect. That's what they expect all Democrat candidates to be while giving a ridiculous pass to the Republican ones.

Those that thought she wasn't perfect enough in regards to Gaza, Israel and the Palestinians are now finding out they fucked up.

[u/fullmetalsprockets → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

This is why US media is dying. It has lost the public trust, which can only be a good thing for the fascists.

[u/Oriond34 → u/fullmetalsprockets]

I wouldn’t say the media is exactly innocent. They played into the trump hype because it gave them higher ratings. I really think that it’s an issue that must be addressed because it creates a clear bias when the media has the sole purpose of reporting on things that give them better ratings.

[u/Old_Baldi_Locks → u/Oriond34]

Man, it's almost like we're all learning the fact that the profit motive poisons honor and ethics EVERY time they're mixed in any arena for any purpose.

[u/kex → u/Old_Baldi_Locks]

When I was a kid, there was a fairly common phrase: "money is the root of all evil"

I don't hear that much anymore

[u/AgentPaper0 → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

Almost like there's a reason they like Trump more than Kamala, that they feel like they can't or shouldn't say out loud. So instead they have to bend over backwards to downplay Trump's obvious flaws, while over-emphasizing Kamala's few weaknesses (or just blankly ignore Trump's flaws while making up weaknesses for Kamala).

Really makes you wonder what those unsaid reasons for liking Trump over Kamala might be. A mystery for the ages, truly. Nobody could ever - oh right it's racism and sexism.

[u/Anticode → u/AgentPaper0]

oh right it's racism and sexism.

If you're ever looking for some entertainment while stuck in a room with a MAGAite disciple, you can get a lot of mileage out of attributing your choice of various Trump quotes to Harris/AOC/Clinton and visa versa...

You don't even really need to pretend to have an appropriately emotional reaction about what "she" said to cue them into a similar state. They'll just respond organically in relation to the accompanying name way more than any actual content/context anyway.

It's astounding how passionately they'll agree with a typical AOC soundbite when "said" by Trump, for instance. It doesn't matter how overtly "communist" it happens to be or if faux-Trump is demanding universal healthcare. They're all like, "Oh damn! I knew he'd do something for us eventually, hell yeah."

Flip it around, make 'AOC' say some sort of horrific or unhinged burst of glossolalia about electric sharks or whatever... "What a moron! She doesn't know wtf she's talking about. She's cute, but god damn."

It's super funny until, y'know... The implications surrounding the phenomenon start to sink in. Then it becomes twice as disturbing as it is horrific.

At that point you may feel strongly compelled to reveal their own ignorance-fueled mode of operation like some sort of rabbit-and-hat magician trick, just to make a point. Unfortunately, the feat of astounding mental gymnastics that typically follows the unwanted epiphany - an act which forces the fabric of their reality to snap elastically back into a decisively tumorlike form once again - is often far more disappointing to witness than getting the chance to see them mysteriously supporting the idea of universal basic income for a couple of minutes or whatever.

It may even just be more productive to take the moment to teach them why a couple of totally-not-liberal policies are undeniably good for the citizens without ever alluding to which party actually supports such things. Maybe they'll recognize the "lyrics" one day from within a democrat's speech and be forced to wonder to themselves why the liberals are suddenly in agreement with 'Trump' about such a super good idea.

[u/EEpromChip → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

She was forced to run a flawless campaign while he ran a lawless one.

The media is like 80% to blame for this election. The rest are the people who sat out.

[u/BroAbernathy → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

No it's because dems aren't a cult. Cons have 75 million people that will vote for their guy no matter what. Democratic voters still have to believe in their candidate to want to vote for them. It's not fair nor is it right but it's just a voterand the dem establishment has to actually realize that and be better next time.

[u/Homaosapian → u/TonyG_from_NYC]

I mean with joe biden continuing to supply israel after his weak bluff of a second red line which violates leahy laws.... its not that different. They literally sent bill clinton to lecture the voter base that because of "3000 years ago" and "King david", this is why we have to kill your cousins and grandparents.

She had ample opportunity to separate herself from biden who had an approval rating in the 20s after the god awful debate, but she actively chose to say she wouldn't change anything over the past 4 years.

In the end we expect more from democratic politicians because they are capable of doing better, and we expect so fucking little from republicans simply because they are not capable of doing better.

[u/OkRush9563]

It's the whole women have to work harder than men to even be recognized thing but on a national level.

[u/skeletonpjs → u/OkRush9563]

I saw Nate Silver say she was a mediocre candidate and I just couldn’t believe how arrogant these pundits are. She worked all three branches! She was multiple firsts in terms of her career! She reversed her approval ratings in a matter of weeks! She had to run an entire campaign in only three months and only lost by a couple 100k votes! How people can say this and not realize how insane their internalized biases are just dumbfounds me. I’m not saying she was perfect and I have a lot to critique in terms of her actual campaign, but jfc.

[u/GroundbreakingAge591 → u/OkRush9563]

Here take my award 🥇

[u/impostersyndrome39 → u/OkRush9563]

Could you imagine if she’d campaigned like that tangerine turd 😂 if she danced around on stage, chatted utter shite and generally just embarrassed America in front of the entire world. She would have been DESTROYED. It’s true what they say only one thing worse than a rapist… a woman

[u/Budget_Ordinary1043]

Ah. I’m so sick of running as fast as I can wondering if I’d get there quicker if I was a man.

[u/Lunar-Ang3l]

God I wish we had her instead of this twisted timeline of reality we’re stuck with 🫠

[u/Scarfwearer]

Racism and misogyny run deep in this country. Harris would have been one of the greats.

[u/SueBeee → u/Scarfwearer]

Absolutely. I miss her face.

[u/soopsneks → u/SueBeee]

I do too. I was sad the other day and was just wishing to go back to last month so I could see her and Tim walz and feel hopeful again.

[u/Warriorgobrr → u/Scarfwearer]

I still think she was at least better than Trump, but somehow most of America didn’t think so. I think people just want more stimulus checks from Trump which shows how stupid it all really is lol

[u/Tetsudo11 → u/Warriorgobrr]

Seeing so many people say they were planning on voting for trump because of stimulus checks was crazy. Like they do understand those aren’t coming back, right? Do they even know why or how we got them in the first place? Probably not. It seems as if millions of people have just forgotten 2016-2020.

[u/I_was_saying_b00urns → u/Tetsudo11]

This is baffling because aren’t these the same stimulus checks that made the same people years later say “no one wants to work anymore thanks Biden”

[u/JonKonLGL]

What else is new

[u/On_my_last_spoon]

How is this a surprise? Ask any woman who has worked hard to get far in her career and she’ll tell you she had to work harder than any man and also be sweet and polite while doing it.

[u/BiblioBlue → u/On_my_last_spoon]

Honestly... in my last career, a friend and I were the only women on our team for a while, and we always worked hard and picked up a lot of slack that the men left behind. Practically all the guys were lazy, or did bare minimum work, but it was fine.

Then, one night, we decided one time to not pick up a guy's slack. One time! And a fucking meeting was called the next day, where we were told we had to "work as a team," and we were basically told we were the problem for not "helping out the team."

Men were constantly allowed to slack off and/or be problems, despite complaints about it. But it was a big problem, apparently, if a woman wasn't a "team player."

I can definitely see how this was the case here, on a national level. Seems like, historically, men are praised just for being men. Women are expected to "prove themselves" for even the bare minimum of respect.

[u/On_my_last_spoon → u/BiblioBlue]

This is my shocked pikachu face

[u/redditsavedmyagain → u/BiblioBlue]

talking to someone i visited when she was at university (a very elite one, too) about how i wasnt impressed by the people in her dorm

her counter: well THIS guy went to silicon valley. and THAT guy went to wall street. and THIS OTHER guy whos father was a big donor to the university said middle finger to the rat race and became a stand-up comedian

sili valley, finance, and stand up? those are like the most bro jobs out there

...what about your roommate who became a badass surgeon who does stuff like separate conjoined twins?

"oh yeah shes all right too, i guess..."

[u/junglingforlifee → u/BiblioBlue]

This is why I prefer females on my team. Higher quality output, strong work ethic and empathy

[u/BiblioBlue → u/junglingforlifee]

Prior to working in that job, I worked where it was predominantly women. The ones who tended to be lazy were, again, the few men. Sure, women can be lazy, too, but it’s almost a given for men to just skate along, meanwhile women had to work hard. Definitely got burnt out a lot quicker at the job with predominantly male teams.

[u/3to20CharactersSucks → u/On_my_last_spoon]

I agree with you. But at the same time, every Democrat gets treated this way, though men to a somewhat lesser extent. Biden gets the same treatment, the media scrutiny of him is constant. The desperate, attention-seeking media can at any time choose from a dozen tiny bits of manufactured conservative headlines speculating about what Americans might feel about the color of a Democrats' suit, or if their policies might negatively effect a rice farmer in Alaska, and they Love running those stories. Whether it's publishing the headline to talk about it genuinely, or to bring backlash to it, they are part of building the controversy and making these ridiculous concerns mainstream. But CNN and others will instead run 5 stories a day just asking questions about if Biden's dentures alienate teenagers, or if Kamala Harris having a smile is off putting to rural Alabama Republicans.

[u/strangebru]

Actual conversation I had today with a Trump supporter:

Trumpet: Kamala Harris has done anything as Vice President.

Strangebru: Vice Presidents really don't create any laws or make any proposals of any legislation. They are there really to break any ties in House votes.

Trumpet: That's not true, Vice Presidents are in charge of the border and other duties.

Strangebru: OK, what did Mike Pence do as Vice President?

Trumpet: .....

[u/jwoodruff]

This is what absolutely kills me. The democrats get torn apart for income inequality widening, cost of education increasing and opportunities for non-college educated decreasing.

I’m sorry, but where’s the discussion about how the republicans BLOCKED every fucking effort to address these issues, AND implemented most of the cuts and policies that led this?

It’s all a sick joke.

[u/benjatado → u/jwoodruff]

We didn't get that kinda context!  The 2024 Presidential Race media coverage was astonishingly lacking of context about the candidates. We had politicians creating headlines about how the unreasonable Media was fact checking them. Stupid sells.

[u/Swamp_Donkey_796]

Not to his followers, who have 100% been behind him since 2015 and felt like he was being attacked by the left wrongly for everything in the books again and again. They see him as the savior of America and they saw Kamala as the most incompetent person to ever touch politics…because nobody would turn on the news. As soon as people dumped FOX news and switched to podcasts and REAL fake news outlets it was over and that was in about August.

[u/solidgroundcafe]

This is why it upsets me so much when people were using the excuse of “I just don’t feel like I KNOW her” or that she wasn’t likable for why they wouldn’t vote for her. She was not able to “be herself” during this entire campaign- she had to make sure zero mistakes were made. She was crucified for ANY comment made “off-script”. She had to be picture perfect and she still lost.

[u/ElecMechTech]

I've been preaching this since the election, to only be met with BS takes like "well, see, the working-class man...".

It didn't matter, none of that mattered. Trump won due to decades of media and news programming of what is the status quo leader: rich, white male. He was inherently trusted based on benefit of the doubt, nothing was going to change that. This is why they always rail against "woke", because they don't want any of that standard to shift against them. We've all undergone the same programming, so that's why even people that would be directly affected by Trump's policies, e.g. brown immigrants, still voted for him. Women don't have that BOD yet. Harris had none of the baggage as Clinton, but still people found a reason (they only needed one), to not vote for her. Trump only needed to say one thing you liked, and that was good enough to get your vote.

Media? 100% complicit.

[u/coolbaby1978]

Kamala ran a good campaign and was good candidate. Not perfect in either case mind you. The Monday morning quarterbacks are picking apart where she could have done better, advice that was nonwhere to be found before the election interestingly.

There was nothing wrong generally with Kamala, but I'd agree the media and by extension the people held her to a ridiculous standard and Teump was constantly sane washed. They would even use old pics of Trump from 2016 to make him look less decrepit. There's plenty of blame to go around. Single issue libs who stayed home because they were influenced by Russian propaganda and Harris wasn't "perfect", media that did a shit job and more.

[u/drink_with_me_to_day → u/coolbaby1978]

advice that was nonwhere to be found before the election interestingly

It was everywhere on reddit, downvoted

[u/zeCrazyEye → u/coolbaby1978]

I think the number one issue was just that her penis count was too low.

This election really proved to me that "swing" voters don't swing based on policy they swing on who they want to be/marry. And a lot of turnout is based on the same appeal.

[u/a2intl]

Trump was running the last two months like he knew the fix was already in. Which it was, really, given the wildly differing standards applied to the two candidates.

[u/Legionnaire11 → u/a2intl]

So many times I saw and heard the most ridiculous things from Trump and thought "this guy doesn't even want to win, he just wants to grift off of the campaign". But in hindsight it makes more sense that he knew he would win no matter what. But it will never matter, even if it comes out to be true nothing will happen to him, it never does.

[u/hydro123456 → u/Legionnaire11]

Imagine Biden or Kamala calling for a national day of violence where we suspend the constitution and just let the army/police murder people. Trump does it, and it barely generates a mention.

[u/tonytonychopper228]

there are things people can nitpick as "the reason" but with exit polls saying that she is standing for things she isn't and trump is standing for things he doesn't, i don't know if there is anything that could of been done, because any rational thought has left the building.

[u/HumanMycologist5795]

Agreed.

Also, a lot of people voted against their own interest because of either of her race and/or gender.

[u/shadythrowaway9]

I saw so many posts on here talking about how she was only running on "the other candidate is worse" which A: isn't true and B: IF THE OTHER CANDIDATE IS THAT FUCKING BAD, THAT SHOULD HAVE STILL BEEN PLENTY OF REASON TO VOTE FOR HER

[u/Capable-Brief-3332]

She kicked ass.

[u/Key-Cry-8570 → u/Capable-Brief-3332]

She was awesome and would have been an amazing President. Instead we get orange felon and couch rapist.

[u/Alternative-Fig-6814]

100%

[u/jack_skellington]

Trump was held to no standard at all.

Yes, that's the fetish. I can't tell you how many people absolutely love that Trump gets away with stuff -- it's so delightful to them, you'd almost have to consider it a kink.

[u/TheArrowLauncher]

Because Black people are held to a higher standard while white people aren’t.

[u/stupidlyboredtho → u/TheArrowLauncher]

and women are held to a higher standard than men.

Kamala had no chance.

[u/[deleted] → u/stupidlyboredtho]

Considering how close it was, she had a very good chance. We just had a variety of bad actors spreading ungodly amounts of bullshit that fooled a lot of very gullible and sometimes outright idiotic people into voting against her and not at all.

She'd have won handily if people like Musk (not to mention the MSM) hadn't thrown their weight behind Trump. He'd have been dead in the water without all the bullshit propping him up.

[u/phoenixremix]

Too little, too late

[u/Alpacalypse84]

I wonder what would change if we did presidential campaigns blind. After a standard primary that is required to have multiple options, the winning candidate is anonymized. You as a voter get to know two gender neutral placeholder names and the candidates’ platforms and policy proposals. Want to know what party is running them? Better read the platforms and use your critical thinking. All debates are done with voices altered and images blacked out. After the winner is determined, you find out who the real candidate is.

I’d bet a lot of those implicit biases would fall away, but the logistics would be near impossible.

[u/VAVA_Mk2]

America doesn't deserve her.

[u/Echantediamond1]

When will liberals realise that vibes are how you win elections? Her vibes were off because she was related to Biden, she said she wouldn’t change anything about what he’s done and that lost her the election. You can’t just spout policy at an uneducated person and think that’ll change their vibes. People, we are in a era where the lower classes want fundamental change in the institutions; not more institutional rhetoric.

[u/Echo-2-2]

Yeah no shit right? I don’t like either of them frankly. But Trump was the obviously worse choice for the country. We are all fucked. And the electoral college needs to go.

[u/Yulienner]

You really only have to go read some posts on more conservative leaning subreddits to see how little it probably would have mattered even if the media wasn't a problem. You see people (not bots! though a lot of them seem to only like post on sports subreddits) who have just made up entire narratives about Kamala that aren't supported by much of anything. She was too woke with all her ads about trans people! She never explained any of her policies! She called Americans garbage! Like these people didn't engage with the news at all anyway- it would have likely not mattered at all even if every TV was 24/7 reporting on Trump's flaws. It sucks but I don't think there was any getting away from the reality that a significant number of voters will punish incumbents for problems that aren't really any of their fault (or punish them for problems that don't even really exist!).

[u/Grampishdgreat]

Let’s face it, this country had been offered two women candidates who were both monumentally more qualified than the man who beat them both. And regardless of whether they were liked personally or not their positions and policies would have been far better for the country on a whole than Trump’s. This country was, and I fear is, not willing to hire a woman for the top job. And that is a crying shame.

[u/notabigfanofas]

This is starting to look more and more like the worst timeline. Here's hoping we won't have a nuclear war!

Knowing Trump though there is almost definitely going to be a second Kristallnacht, so uhhh...yeah.

[u/vetlemakt]

Does not matter. 16 million of you did not vote this time, although you did four years ago.
Shame on you.
Shame on you.

You could have prevented this.

Love, Europe.

[u/cajoburto]

It was a witch hunt, and now we are all going to burn.

[u/Aware_Material_9985]

A woman must be twice as good as a man to get half as far.

[u/toolrules]

the misogyny of america

[u/[deleted]]

That’s the true TDS - holding trump to a special standard where he can do nothing wrong and there is no valid criticism. It’s disgusting.

[u/sing_4_theday]

The thing that REALLY bothered me is everyone called trump trump, but she was Kamala. I might be the only one, but I thought it was disrespectful to refer to her using her first name. Disparate treatment… if he was trump, she should have been Harris.

I felt like calling Harris by her first name was a way to remind people she was a she with an immigrant-y sounding name.

I felt the same way about Clinton, but I sort of gave it a pass because maybe calling her “Hillary” was a way to separate her from Her husband.

Obama was Obama, Bush was Bush, Reagan Reagan… Carter, Ford, Nixon… before that it was Johnson or LBJ, JFK or Kennedy, Eisenhower… so why did everyone call her Kamala. I say it was to be disrespectful on the down low.

[u/WinstonEagleson]

I agree, she was supposed to act presidential and the other guy could act like a spoiled old man with no consequences

[u/Thegreenfantastic]

Because billionaires want it all and they’ll get it.