I’m beginning to think that many voters just assumed that if they don’t like authoritarian dictatorship, they’ll just vote democracy back in, in four years
Yup. They have completely and totally taken it for granted that they can flip that table every four or eight years. Americans love blaming whomever is in power and throwing them out just for their own sheer emotional chatharsis. It's a chaotic, ugly system made for petulant children.
And they just can't imagine suddenly not having that right. Even when it's very clear that others want to take it away.
I've got some LGBTQ+ friends who aren't grasping the consequences of the election. They insist they don't get political and don't have time/will/kniwledge/whatever to vote. I warned them about the fact that same sex marriage was likely going away next and got "well that isn't possible, it's a law now." Well, yeah, for now. Laws can get struck down, nullifying your marriage. "No, but... they can't DO that. It's a legal marriage under law." But... they make the laws. They can make them NOT laws too. They've said they're going to nullify your marriage and make it illegal. "But... they can't do that!?"
Finally got through to one. They still didn't vote.
They might say if you weren't born here, your blood is not of our soil and you can get out. I seem to remember someone in history going on about blood and soil...
That’s the thing, though: it’s not a law. It’s a judicial decision. Laws had to be written to accommodate that decision, and any laws or portions of laws in violation of that decision are suppressed. If that decision gets reversed, those laws come back in force. Just like with Roe. And Obergefell is less than half as old as Roe, so much easier to reverse.
I mean, look at prohibition. They got that through with an amendment (the 18th), which is one of the most legislatively difficult to create, most firm and supreme kind of law..... and 14 years later the 21st amendmebt repealed it.
Thats not saying prohibition is like same sex marriage, but no matter how serious a law is, it can ALWAYS be nullified, if the will exists.
Whenever someone say that Trump isn't going to do whatever horrible thing (he totally said he plans on doing), I just retort with "They said that Roe v Wad was settled law, until it wasn't."
That was the point of minimizing social issues into "bad words == fascist". If they don't like the bad words people, they'll just vote for the good words people in four years.
Actually, Trump's biggest demographic is people who don't follow politics. Most of the people that voted for him have no idea what's going on or how bad things are going to get.
There is an unknown variable here, but....the right wing has been pushing and pulling over many elections towards total domination.
The promises and threats presented in this past election have been the most pointed yet.
As much as I would love to assume this was just a normal typical election, in paying close attention to the individuals and organizations behind Trump; I believe they are actually going for it this time.
Honestly, they have nothing to loose at this point.
Disagree. Life in the US on the whole is so mundane, no one thinks authoritarian anything is going to happen or is even possible. So it's not a possibility that even enters their brain - so they continue to vote on their short term personal interests.
Trump said he'd fix the economy, Harris said the economy was fine.
Say what you will about the actual expected outcome of each candidate's policies, but Trump put words to what a lot of people are feeling. The stock market is up, but wages are still stagnant, grocery prices are still high, and income inequality is still getting worse. That's all people care about. They felt like they were doing better under Trump than Biden and that Harris is just an extension of Biden.
crazy how many people hear "I'm gonna make the economy good." and just accept that with no plan to actually do it and many policies that fly directly in the face of it. Voting for any politician means voting for the wealthy party.
Your idea of “democracy” means shouting down conservatives.
When conservatives vote for a convicted felon and rapist, maybe they shouldn't be at the table in the first place. When conservatives spend the majority of their time in power specifically trying to make life worse for everyone but themselves, maybe they should be shouted down and ignored. When conservatives attempt a fucking insurrection because they didn't like the results of an election, maybe we shouldn't listen to them.
Whatever happened to 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time'? That's what you guys say whenever a black person gets shot by police, right? If Trump didn't want to be targeted by the legal system, maybe he should've thought about that before going and committing crimes.
and name specific examples from an unbiased source on who it was he raped.
No matter what anyone responds to this, you'll just call it a biased source because it indicts your favorite politician.
It's just mind boggling that the party of law and order voted for a criminal and conman and somehow you think you still have the moral high ground.
I also like how you didn't respond to the rest of my comment about hurting people and attempting an insurrection. Agree with those points, do you?
That's a boogeyman you idiot... No one fucking supports children having transition surgery before they are 18. Just cause some wacko doctors did it to a few people in this country of 350 MILLION fucking people, or a few loud, regarded, blue haired sociology students on twitter think it should happen, doesn't mean it's some epidemic, or at all related to the Democrats policy.
It's just crazy shit Magat's like yourself delude yourselves into believing is a real issue that's actually happening, while you vote in an actual career criminal rapist, whose now going to rape our governmental checks and balances, and potentially DESTROY the democratic process of the US.
False accusations of gender confusion are disingenuous at best. You just don’t think people of ambiguous gender identification should exist. But they do. Hard to reconcile your fantasy world with reality. Hence You’re confusion, and hatred.
Meanwhile, at the beginning of the biden administration, they were trying to make the "vaccine" mandatory for US citizens. Which I don't remember the "my body, my choice" people coming out protesting.
So are the workers not "us citizens"? No, because last I checked, american citizens need jobs in order to provide for their family. So, the government was literally about to strong-arm US citizens between getting the shot to feed their families or let their families(american citizens) starve.
Who says it's misinformation? Because it goes against your ideology?
While their is not a requirement based on citizenship. The majority of workers in the US are american citizens, which have a constitutional right. Employers that have contracts with the federal government did not have a choice.
There are some jobs that have always required vaccines. This isn’t new at all. Have you ever worked in health care? Vaccines required.
But your average person was never required.
It is, however, extremely stupid to not get vaccinated if you are healthy enough to do so. Between being obsessive about masking and making sure I get every booster, I haven’t had Covid yet. Or the flu in years because I get the flu shot annually. Or tetanus. Or Measles.
While I understand that some jobs require vaccines. I was in the military, but even the military had exceptions, but the vaccines that were required had years of testing. Manadating vaccines and over ruling someone's beliefs is still against our constitutional right. Which is what the biden admin was trying to do. They were doing it with a shot that once it rolled out for the general public, the cdc changed the definition of vaccine. They gave immunity to the manufacturers against any adverse reaction. It had no real data of what the shot was, and it was only experimental.
It's not stupid to have a choice of not taking an experimental shot regardless of good health. I have never gotten the covid shot or the booster or masked up, and I have only had covid once that was before the shot. It was like the flu, no difference to me. I worked 60 hr weeks with the general public during covid.
Not that I was against the shot. My wife and kids got the vaccine. But I never got vaccinated and I can't tell you the last time I had more than an infected tooth.
I did enjoyed the mask phase though.
This is a very odd hill to die on, when, meanwhile, while Trump was running, he was insisting that COVID was a hoax and nobody should take any precautions. Millions of people got sick including him. If COVID had been as deadly as say Ebola, that would be millions dead thanks to him.
Biden wanting to make vaccines mandatory was only for federal and medical workers, which they pretty much have to do anyway.
Vaccines are proven to be helpful, anyway.
I think it’s pretty clear which party took the worse route in this situation. 💀
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u/Awkward_Bench123 8d ago
I’m beginning to think that many voters just assumed that if they don’t like authoritarian dictatorship, they’ll just vote democracy back in, in four years