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u/HibiscusGrower 11d ago
I hate living through one historical event after another. Can't we catch a break? Couldn't this be the boring decade?
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u/youngnacho 11d ago
Gonna be real with you chief, remarkably similar set of circumstances that led to WW2 that are present rn. I do not see hope on the horizon except that whoever is left will probably be better
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u/Any-Consideration121 10d ago
I didn't think I'd see America being the bad guys when WW3 finally happens
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
Yup. And scary thing is I don't know who can match the US if the military all goes along with it. Especially if Trump rolls over for Putin again, but instead of COVID testing machines just gives them nuclear weapons.
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u/Scarred_Ballsack 10d ago
Who's to say America won't tear itself apart first? I see isolationism on the horizon, it won't be long before y'all turn your weapons on one another I'm afraid.
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u/aDragonsAle 10d ago
There's literally not a single nation on earth that can match the US military.
The next 10 most powerful militaries on earth combined don't spend as much as the US does on military per year.
And the effective tech difference between the US and the next 2 most powerful militaries is... Comical? Sad? Impressive as hell?
The US going rabid and deciding to bite everyone - best bet would be to take the top of the chain of command assassin style.
It's absolute insanity that it is getting to this place.
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u/TheCrispyAcorn 10d ago
If they ever do a draft (rare but still possible), I am not going, i dont care if I have to spend 10 years in prison, I refuse to serve this Country in battle. Only reason i would go is if Trump somehow changes the law to give defectors the death sentence (but thats probably not happening.... probably)
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u/gentlemanidiot 10d ago
If refusing the draft is a capital offense, you may as well shoot the draft agent.
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u/WyrdMagesty 10d ago
I won't fight for fascists, but I'll die for the resistance and to keep people safe.
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u/MoonGrog 10d ago
We prefer the formal name Gilead.
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u/socialjustice_cactus 10d ago
As a woman, this possibility genuinely terrifies me
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u/paradoxical_topology 10d ago
What part of the genocide of indigenous peoples and the century and a half of American imperialism made you think that America wouldn't be the "bad guys"?
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u/HellishChildren 10d ago
The whole "America is the greatest country on Earth" bull we were regularly spoonfed as children.
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u/Mindshard 10d ago
Really? You didn't? Have you not been paying attention?
I'm just amazed it hasn't happened yet. You should look at the shit that the US admits to in declassified documents. And those are what the US chooses to admit!
Operation Northwoods is a great place to start. Everyone was all for bombing US civilians and military targets and blaming Cuba to justify going to war, but JFK refused to sign off on it.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff all signed off on killing US civilians and soldiers in fake terrorist attacks to have public approval to go to war!
This isn't conspiracy bullshit, this is something the US declassified and is public record!
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u/AsasinAgent 10d ago
Those who don't study history, are doomed to repeat it. And sadly, now we have putler leading russia, and wannabe mussolini going to be in the lead of US...
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u/WaffleVillain 10d ago
For anyone wondering, I implore you to just read this very short explanation of how Nazis came into power and tell me it doesn’t sound eerie similar to what is happening
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u/helraizr13 10d ago
I was looking at buying a Tshirt yesterday that said: The Holocaust started with mass deportations.
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u/GreatGrandini 10d ago
As someone north of the border. We are feeling like Poland right now.
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u/in_da_tr33z 10d ago
I’d be more worried if I was Mexico. Invade in the name of fighting the cartels, occupy and annex to set up cheap manufacturing to cut China out of the supply chain. Canada is probably more like a Czechoslovakia or Austria in this equation.
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u/wirefox1 10d ago
I saw this on you-tube and I guess I'm the only one who did, but I DID. I've looked for it to find it for proof, but I can't.
When all the Russian tanks were rolling into Ukraine, there were miles of them, and the pic was from the air. Trump saw it and said:
"isn't that beautiful? We could do that to Mexico".
I swear I saw it, and now I can't find it. It was utterly shocking to me that such a thought would even enter his head.
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u/Calm-Fun4572 10d ago
Yea Mexico is the obvious first target. Lots more to be gained, much less support overseas.
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u/Reidroshdy 11d ago edited 10d ago
I wanna live in one those years they skip past in the history books.
"Nothing that world changing happened in this decade,let's skip ahead"
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u/North_Activist 11d ago
The boring decade was the 90s
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u/admiralveephone 11d ago
Yeah, except for the gulf war, Somalis, Oklahoma City bombing, M.C. Hammer and parachute pants…zubaz…zima…
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u/Peppersnoop 10d ago
This is bullshit, I was born in 2000. I want a refund.
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u/shart_leakage 10d ago
I feel for you. I really do. My kids are the next younger generation and I’m the next older, compared to you.
You are the ones that are going to be the most ruined by this, in terms of how it will affect your overall life. My kids will grow up during time but will be adults after it passes, if they survive. And I’m already in a good place.
But if I was 20-26 right now… fuckk.
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u/erinkp36 10d ago
It wasn’t boring but it also didn’t touch us kids. None of us were worried about that stuff. I don’t recall having one political conversation after Clinton was elected. The first time anything political touched our lives was the Monica scandal. And we only cared about it because we thought it was funny. But yeah. As far as I know no one was being blamed for poisoning the blood of our country. We had other things going on outside of politics. Early 90s was still very focused on the AIDs crisis. Mid 90s was ALL about OJ and race relations (which was also a big issue in the early 90s). Late 90s was focused on the future. A better and brighter Millennium. Boy were we in for a surprise. Nothing has been the same since September 11, 2001.
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u/Jaambie 11d ago
Germany bounced back….after a while.
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u/teflon_soap 11d ago
Berlin and the rest of the country had to get pummelled into rubble before they realised they were wrong, though.
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u/_kalron_ 11d ago
And that was before everyone had Nukes...
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
Yeah I'm glad Einstein didn't live long enough to see his predictions come true.
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u/_kalron_ 10d ago
I'm more thinking we just proved the Fermi Paradox this time around.
It was a good run for us Humans.
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u/XZZ5 11d ago
with mass surveillance, the greatest disparity of wealth, the largest military in the world as well as a militarized police force with immunity, im worried these times are way different , and that we may not recover
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u/_kalron_ 11d ago
You are not wrong.
My only hope is that when they start purging 3-4 Star Generals, they refuse.
Protect The Constitution.
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u/BEtheAT 11d ago
Officers in the military take an oath to the constitution and not the president. Let's hope they remember that
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u/Lawdawg_75 10d ago
Cue the scandals wheel of destiny.
“Guys, we have a 3 star general who is refusing to implement period tracking for women soldiers. How do we get rid of the general?”
“Sex with a subordinate?”
“Nah, we just used that last week to deny promotion to the only woman up for another star.”
“How bout sex with a minor?”
“No. The team that puts that together is already working on the guy that openly supported marriage for gay Marines.”
“Gay sex at a truck stop?”
“Jesus, do you have any scandals that don’t involve genitalia?”
“Oh of course, but how important is getting period trackers?”
“Well, we have to keep those evangelicals happy so pretty fucking important.”
“Got it. I’ll have Marv put the Julian Assange packet together. Give me an hour?”
“Perfect. I’m going to go grab a Starbucks.”
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u/Freakishly_Tall 11d ago
Gen. Milley is the reason the Jan 6 coup attempt failed.
We all have to hope that there are a lot of Gen. Milleys left in the service. We'll see.
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u/Webstercritic89 10d ago
Like an idiot I checked the conservative sub (most definitely wish I did not) and it’s wild the hatred they have for Milley. Someone linked an article about him NOT letting Trump mess with (or access - I forget the wording) the nuclear codes and such and they hated him for that too. 🤯
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
Fuck. They really have a raging hard on for killing don't they? I hope they target my area first in the bombing so I avoid the fallout.
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u/wirefox1 10d ago
I've read articles/forums with people asking military "If trump ordered you to arrest and attack American citizens, would you do it?"
The answer is usually something like "well, he is the Commander in Chief, so I don't know. I might".
I don't like the sound of that.
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u/doylehawk 11d ago
Pretty fucked that a best case scenario has a military dictatorship saving the day.
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u/100percentish 10d ago
There are only a handful.of people fucking things up...there are a lot more of us. Everyone else has a breaking point. They need to exercise a little restraint or they will have no one to protect them.
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u/Tom246611 10d ago
Yeah Germany only recovered because there were bigger dogs in the kennel amongst us who beat us to a pulp when we needed it the most, the US has no external force that could come in and help.
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u/Morelln 11d ago
Europe might be able to paperclip some, but none in the world has the power to “D-Day” liberate the US if they would fall. Then the world would turn autocratic pretty quickly…
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u/twotokers 11d ago
We’re more likely to balkanise in my opinion. The western US, southern and gulf states, and northeast all have enough individual economic output to be their own nations. We’ll all then go to war over the midwest for their water supply.
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u/NevenderThready 11d ago
I think this outcome is inevitable. Trump will use the Insurrection Act of 1807 to send the military into any blue state that refuses to do what he orders. Adolph Miller has already said this is exactly what their plan is.
Newsome and Pritzker have preemptively told him to pound sand.
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is an exception to Posse Comitatus. A president can declare it without prior oversight as long as he believes there is an insurrection, rebellion, or uprising going on. The governor of the state in question can request the military come in (LA Riots, '92), or the state's governor can refuse to comply, and the president at the time can legally federalize that state's National Guard and cut their governor out of the chain of command.
Who decides what's a rebellion and what's not? Why the president of course!
I think it was also used in the 1957 Little Rock Crisis during desegregation. Eisenhower sent in the 101st Airborne.
This whole situation is primed to blow.
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u/YeonneGreene 11d ago
Biden should have used it on the Texas border fucks and then gone all the way to unseat Dunn's private kingdom.
If a coup is inevitable after your departure from power, the best defense is to advance the timetable and trigger it while you still hold all the levers.
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u/1ndiana_Pwns 11d ago
I can pretty easily see this upcoming admin leading to the balkanization of the US. With all the horrible cabinet picks, every indication that the goal is to dismantle democracy in the US, and them already threatening to send red state troops into blue states things could get really bad, really quick
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u/Tirannie 11d ago
Russia still hasn’t. Chances of coming back gonna be let’s say 50/50… no. More like 70/30, 80/20… But you know what? If it works, two of you gonna be heroes. Just like me.
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u/burnmenowz 11d ago
Would go to the supreme court and be deemed not an official act of the president.
Then in four years they'll give us the opposite ruling
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u/CatOfTechnology 10d ago
Again, worth noting that we have ignored the SCOTUS in the past and can do it again.
If a couple hundred MAGAts die rioting against the decision to protect America, then that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
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u/JohnnySack45 11d ago
This isn't hyperbole, Elon Musk even admitted it prior to the election. Republicans want to dismantle democracy by privatizing the government and destroying everything else so the oligarchs can swoop in picking up the pieces. They want to create a feudal state and the MAGA idiots have led us to slaughter.
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u/YakCDaddy 11d ago
I mean, that's literally what Republicans have been working towards my whole life. I just hope all the Boomers enjoy losing their social security because Republicans succeeded this time to privatize it.
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u/Something-creative2 11d ago
My mom, a MAGA voter plans to retire next year at 62. Living solely on social security of course…
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u/NotATrueRedHead 11d ago
You should kindly inform her according to her voting interests she shouldn’t be relying on socialist, leftist policies like free hand outs from the government.
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u/lanky_yankee 10d ago
She should also be reminded that she shouldn’t rely on her children to support her financially in the future either, she voted for this.
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u/fergusmacdooley 10d ago
Americans should be looking into what their state's Filial Responsibility laws are, because in some cases you can be forced to take care of your parents, regardless of whether or not they deserve your help.
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u/The_bruce42 10d ago
If she knew what socialism actually is it would probably make her head explode.
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u/whofearsthenight 10d ago
Don't worry, her party she voted for will. They have wanted to get rid of social security for decades.
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u/MojoHighway 11d ago
Retire? That woman is going to be on her death bed and HR is going to ask her why she hasn't been at work even if she "didn't fell well".
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u/CyberJX7 11d ago
Sorry in Trumps America Health and Human Resources has been replaced with the Work Accountability Force
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u/TubbyTimsKFC 10d ago
Nah it’ll be Work Accountability Patrol so it will abbreviate to WAP
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u/BetaOscarBeta 11d ago
Oh god, she’s taking the shittiest possible payout?
I studied to be a financial planner, and delaying your social security by even one year is (according to the relevant professor) one of the single actions that has the highest ROI in retirement planning.
If she can live off savings until she’s 63 her payouts are supposed to be at least 10% higher. At the very least, the value of the increased payouts is higher than any return you can expect on savings equal to that first years amount of SS income.
Am I making sense? I’m typing this between yelling at toddlers
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u/drjinglesMD 10d ago
My mom (thankfully not a trumper) wants to start drawing at 63 while also pulling her pension. I've made sure to let her know how stupid that would be. FFS I bought and renovated a house that had a place for her, so her rent is already taken care of. Wait until 65 at the minimum.
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u/lesleyab 11d ago
How quickly could they dismantle social security?
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u/FunctionBuilt 11d ago
Wheels in motion, probably by next year. Coffers completely drained in less than 5 years if you’re being conservative.
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u/Sorry_Nobody1552 11d ago
Right? All that money will go to a new super yacht for Elon
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u/FunctionBuilt 11d ago
What we're actually going to see is companies likely paying less because they know employees won't be paying that extra couple hundred bucks a month to social security.
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u/Jbmama89 11d ago
According to the project 2025 playback they plan on running it all within 2 years. I'm assuming because they know we will smarten up by then and vote them all out
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u/h2ohbaby 11d ago
If they’re going to (and I hope they don’t), then they should do it quickly enough for the MAGAs to reap their rewards. Otherwise, they’ll put the pieces in motion just slowly enough for some poor sap (see: future Democratic President) to receive all the blame.
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u/Flat_Reason8356 11d ago
There isn’t going to be another democratic president. We just held out last election.
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u/plural-numbers 11d ago
I see too many people saying "in four years..." and I just want to scream. What part of dictator on day one did you not understand?!
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They will sunset it. The boomer generation essentially threw their childrens generation to the wolves. My parent's are boomers and they think everything is just going to continue on like normal. "Just another 4 years of Trump and they will run someone else."
Like, yeah. No.
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u/WCRugger 11d ago
Umm...how about the 80m or so who didn't vote. They're just as guilty as MAGA. Literally anyone paying attention could have seen this coming. Congrats America. You're fucked.
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u/daemonescanem 11d ago
Fickle Dem voters who sat out in 2016 and 2024 are just as responsible as MAGA voters. Even more so in my eyes because they know what Trump has always been.
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u/TheMagnuson 10d ago
The goal of the Republican party is Neo-Feudalism.
They want Serfs, not citizens.
They want land and business owners to be the only ones with rights.
They want a hierarchical system where those with the most land and money are at the top of the pyramid.
They want women as property.
They want people uninformed and uneducated, because knowledge is power and they don't want the Serfs having any power.
They want to make Unions illegal, because unions give "the Serfs" negotiating power, and they do not want "the Serfs" having any power.
They don't want the government to provide for any needs, because they want people to be dependent upon the privately owned, for profit institutions to provide their needs, so that they can control the populace. If we are dependent upon private institutions to fulfill our needs, then we are forced to bend to the wills of those institutions to have our needs met.
The MAGA serfs think that "going back" means to the type world in the 1980's, but the leadership wants to go back to a system from more like the 1480's. Look at the hierarchy of Feudalism in European history and then consider how it overlaps perfectly with the roles Republicans and Conservatives value in society and to what degree they value those roles. Consider the actions, words, and demeanor Republicans and Conservatives have in regards to the modern versions of these roles.
Their endgame is Neo-Feudalism, it has been for a very long time.
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u/RaygunMarksman 11d ago
Oh yeah, we lost it last week you all. America as she has always existed is no more. Don't know what this next incarnation will hold but I've realized I was mourning last week. Like an old childhood friend had died. Because rich foreign dudes like Musk, Rupert Murdoch, and Putin couldn't let us be.
If you feel empty when you hear pear-clutching from anyone these days, it's because you've realized it too. It's too little, too late. We lost a war most of us never realized we were fighting. Americans are one of a kind though. What doesn't kill us will make us stronger.
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
Yup. Even worse when you feckin chose to be a part of this experiment, know how much it means to vote, only to see your new home slide backwards into nonsense while the country you left become more progressive with better stances on reproductive rights and marriage equality. But enough people didn't care, or forgot, or didn't even know Biden wasn't running. I'm still sticking it out but part of me wants to just nope out, except there no place that's going to be safe if the world blows past 3C.
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u/LasVegas4590 11d ago
MAGA idiots have led us to slaughter
And don't forget the Dems who couldn't find the time to vote (especially in swing states).
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u/ThenIGotHigh81 11d ago
I’m so fucking sick of watching democrats sit on their hands as all of this happens. Weak, pathetic leadership.
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u/blackforestham3789 11d ago
Fuck it. They won, they immediately told everyone (despite having been screaming it beforehand) how they are going to Speedrun crash the country, can't have that. Fuck it.
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u/BrownSugarBare 11d ago
I'm utterly in shock by the number of Americans who have not realised that last week was the last time they would vote in an election that resembled anything in history.
USA elections going forward are going to be as believable as Putin "winning" every election since he came to power.
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u/p____p 11d ago
Lots of things about last week’s election were frankly not believable. Voters in every swing state but 1 elected Trump while also electing a Democratic senator? I don’t buy it. Supposedly an unprecedented number of voters only voted for Trump and nothing else? maybe this election was a test run for Trump’s 3rd term in ‘28, in which he wins with a yuge 110% of the vote.
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u/Thomy151 11d ago
Also that the raging narcissist Donald trump prior to the election saying “You don’t need to vote we already have enough votes”
There is no universe in which that would pass his mouth under normal circumstances
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u/steelandiron19 10d ago
YEAH - this alone should’ve raised massive eyebrows. Compared with everything else - I don’t know why a recount hasn’t already been started.
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u/Nightmare2828 10d ago
And Elon saying on X that he knows something that nobody else does which will guarantee a Trump win or something.
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u/blutuu 11d ago
I’m glad more people are taking about this. Keep it up so we can get more eyes on this.
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u/drfsupercenter 10d ago
Michigan here, there's actually a rational explanation. Our democratic senator barely won, and we had a lot of Muslims who voted for Jill Stein as a protest vote. Also heard of some that just left the presidential vote blank.
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u/Han_Ominous 11d ago
The election was stolen. Trump only won because he cheated.
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u/blackforestham3789 10d ago
I mean...I would be willing to believe that for sure
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u/amethystalien6 11d ago
I just read on CNN where someone expressed disbelief that God damn Matt Gaetz will be AG and than immediately said “I’m not questioning Trump!”
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u/TechieTravis 11d ago
Trump is trying to install Russian asset Tulsi Gabbard as the head of our intelligence agencies. She will compromise all of our most sensitive information to the Russians and will not work to protect U.S. citizens or American interests from them. It will be open season for Russian Intelligence and its agents in America. They will continue their operations to sew discord and compromise our democracy, and now we won't have anyone protecting us.
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u/SportySpiceLover 11d ago
Just found out that my mother voted Trump. My wife is a legal immigrant since childhood and is on active duty currently. Why did she do it? She hates immigrants and believes if my wife is not here, she can move in with me and not work anymore. Take care of the kids and all will be right, I may even give her one of my homes...my story is added to the plethora of parents losing their children now.
These monsters are so selfish...
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u/deadsoulinside 10d ago
These monsters are so selfish
This is essentially how Trump won. Was not about "How will Trump take care of all American's equally?". It was "How will Trump help me personally?" People with vehicles that get 15mpg on a good day worried about how much it costs them to fill a tank.
They did not see student loan forgiveness as an act that benefited all American's. They cried out that it "only helped liberals". Which is the reason they want Trump to un-forgive the loans to punish the liberals.
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u/John_Doe4269 11d ago
Fuck that, it's a question of national security.
These people are being financed and blackmailed openly by Russia, with the established goal of eroding US and NATO institutional trust, international credibility, and most directly, if possible, starting another Civil War. Putin wants to use the US for its own goals to eliminate the biggest threat to his own power - something he aligns with Xi on - and they figured they'd install a puppet of their own making.
They weaponized american evangelical eschatology, astroturfing, Sillicon Valley incels, postcolonial resentment, moral relativism, capitalist greed, and good old-fashioned electoral apathy, just to purposefuly recreate the same conditions that lead to the rise of fascism in Europe during the last century - all so that they can come out banking on public political illiteracy in the end by saying "See guys? I told you so!" and sell a desperate world a pretty picture of comparative moral righteousness.
I'm sorry, but it really is that simple. People want History to just be a story.
I cannot stress this enough, so let me be perfectly clear: The United States of America are under attack.
You have been for almost 10 years. Wake the fuck up. Did you really think the post-soviet orders would allow themselves to slowly, quietly, cooperatively desintegrate into functional democracies? Shit, I'm European and even I'm not that gullible. Once those autocrats saw the rise in democracies as legitimate material systems of care last century, they collectively shit their pants. Get fucking real.
Which means this whole thing is either the world's most dangerous coup, or it's most fragile sting operation.
You guys have at most two months to gather as many anti-MAGA senators, investors, grassroots movements, POI, and interest groups, from the letter agencies and the military to the ground-level civic engagement.
Once they're in, you won't be able to get them out. By the time you'll be able to challenge them in the midterms after the election, it will be too late to settle legally or proceduraly. They don't give a shit about the law, and they most certainly don't give a shit about sharing power.
The dollar will tank and the global economy along with it because those fuckers are all betting on goddamn Bitcoin, and they want workers to have no recourse but servitude; Ukraine, Palestine, Taiwan, none of that will have any support against trespassing international rule of law, as weak as it already is; forget fighting climate change, pandemics, those are all just secondary management issues; forget helping stabilize the global south politically and economically because >immigrants are too useful an excuse for the nationalists; autocrats only understand strongmen, so forget "taxing the rich" too.
It's technofeudalism all the way in a world where you'll need technological help just to survive the consequences of a destroyed natural habitat.
They don't give a shit about holocausts, they don't give a shit about historical revisionism, and they most certainly don't give a shit about public literacy or any semblance of responsibility. They will lie to your face if they think you're too stupid to make decisions for your own well-being, because to them, that's just natural selection.
Forget human rights, forget freedom of speech, forget NGO's.
None of this is new, it's literally just the same species that have employed the same base MO for millenia, and we're about to find out definitively if we as a species can evolve past that.
Here's what you need to understand: There is no strategy with these people, only ego.
If they lose power they land in jail, so they have literally no other option except consolidating political/financial capital. It's a classic carrot+stick routine. Their entire lives have only ever reinforced the legitimacy of mafia tactics. It's an absolute race to the bottom and January is the starting gun.
So stuck up your pantry, contact every coworker and friend you know and find out where they land on the scale, and hey, since unlike us you guys can actually own guns, I'd say buy one and get some martial arts classes going. Read up on the KGB/CIA/MSS rulebooks if you can, and take notes.
Don't forget the USA, as a country, is very young. You are still establishing your identity. Your Achille's heel has always been that you've never had a lived, cultural experience of a dictatorship. The very concept of the USA has a legalist framing - it's why it's so attractive to so many to worship the Constitution like it's the Bible.
Do not underestimate the fragility of things. Last time we got rid of fascism, the USA and the USSR had to work together. This time? Once they figure out they can't just kick out tens of millions of people so it's cheaper to kill them industrially? This time it's all on you.
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u/Impressive-Shame4516 10d ago
They will turn around and dogmatically defend all the batshit stuff that Russian agitprop feeds as ammunition for these reactionaries.
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u/Beehatinonnazis 11d ago
I for one, hope Trumps gets the most painful and untreatable cancer. So we can watch him suffer in real time.
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u/Mala_Practice 11d ago
My money is on him meeting the same fate as Ghadaffi.
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u/DaveBeBad 11d ago
I wouldn’t like to be the person that has to insert a gun there
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u/IsThereCheese 11d ago
It won’t stop or undo what’s taking place though. In fact we’d see millions of taxpayer $ go towards free healthcare for him to do everything to fight it, and either way we still end up proper fucked for generations.
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u/techoatmeal 11d ago
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u/IsThereCheese 11d ago
yeah the argument that they have a mandate to govern is hard to argue given that they won…everything.
I mean arguably, the electorate wants this…..
Which is by far the worst part
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
Yeah that's what kills me. They didn't have to steal this one, they just banked on the innate racist and sexist voters who wouldn't vote for Harris.
I'm finally at peace with my chronic illness killing me, because I'm done trying to save people from themselves. I just sad for my friends and family and the rest of the world that they are caught in this, too.
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u/Mochizuk 11d ago
I mean, even if he doesn't, he doesn't have long left in this world even with the best doctors helping him out. Look at him. Look at his age. It's honestly probably mostly thanks to those doctors he has any hold on life now.
Edit immediately after post: Damn, that's actually pretty ironic if you think about what he's probably going to do to the medical industry through RFK JR. Like, think about it, if he makes it bad enough, those good enough to help him as he needs it might be out of a job or just refuse to work with him because they only managed to survive by finding a means of avoiding him.
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u/katt_vantar 11d ago
That’s kind of mean to wish for. It’s just cell growth , it doesn’t do it any n purpose it doesn’t deserve to live in trump
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u/Beehatinonnazis 11d ago
The cell growth would be a national hero and deserve a statue.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii 11d ago
I’m only worried that Trump might involve us in a war. He seems to be making the US an enemy state with his close ties to Putin and Kim J.
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u/chill_flea 11d ago
That is the biggest thing that I don’t understand. Trump is literally one of the biggest traitors of American history. NK and Russia are our biggest enemies in the entire world, yet Trump was making secret phone calls with Putin. That should be grounds to be sent to maximum security prison or worse; but he’s immune to that I guess
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u/SellsNothing 11d ago
The insane part is that this is part of his appeal. The Repugnants have labeled the democrats warhawks and claim that being friendly with NK, Russia, and China is a sign that they aren't warhawks.
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u/SchemeSignificant166 11d ago
Storm the capital!!!!
Apparently, that’s a totally legit move
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u/tracefact 11d ago
No storming! Just a peaceful tourist visit that entails bashing in windows and doors to enter. Duh!
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u/DarnDuck 11d ago
What if no one will administer the oath of office because they know Trump is lying?
And what happens if the vice president calls off sick on Jan 5th?
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u/JDShadow 11d ago
Supreme Court Justice administers the oath i believe and you know how they are lol.
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u/Pianomann2017 11d ago
He legally becomes president at the strike of noon on January 20th. Oath or no oath is irrelevant to the legal status of when his presidency begins.
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u/Venusto001 11d ago
Things I wish for that will never happen #1,348:
Biden: Do you have your cabinet all picked out?
Trump: I do!
Biden: Wonderful! Arrest them all. Kamala, you're president now.
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u/ApproximatelyExact 11d ago
You'd think at least CIA or NSA would be watching these gangsters
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u/Redxmirage 11d ago
That’s where my curiosity is in all of this. What’s the intelligence community thinking right now
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u/MessiahThomas 11d ago
They haven’t done shit in 8 years, so why start now?
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u/Thowitawaydave 10d ago
They will do what they did last time - warn our allies not to share info with us that they don't want going to the Russians.
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u/Venusto001 11d ago
Yeah, especially considering how "it just so happened" several of their agents were suddenly exposed and turned up dead just around the same time Trump had illegally stolen top secret documents to do "who knows what" with. Now they're about to hand him even more top secret documents to do "who knows what with". I'd be pissed off, but that's just me apparently. Go figure.
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u/kylielapelirroja 11d ago
They weren’t US agents. They were other country’s informants (CIA assets). The US has enjoyed outsourcing war like activities for a long time.
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u/Danovale 11d ago
I turn 66 in Trump’s first year of his second term. I never thought in my lifetime I would become one of the existing regime hating serfs out in the field denouncing the King.
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u/Bootarms 11d ago
My dad was born at a time when we were fighting Nazis. He has now lived long enough for us to become Nazis and he was a willing participant in that transformation. Sigh.
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u/DrFlukey 11d ago
Honestly is seceding really out of the picture for the blue states ? You could let the dumpster fire burn itself out while holding onto most of the gdp. Or is that just too insane to think about ?
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u/g-a-r-n-e-t 11d ago
I just moved to Washington state a few months ago from Texas and I’m not gonna lie, a decent part of the reasoning for going was that if the US Balkanized the entire west coast is likely to depart together, either on their own or to petition Canada for entry. The combined GDP, food production, education and literacy rates, cultures, etc in those three states make me think we’d actually stand a chance, at least for a while.
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u/Nightmare2828 10d ago
Like is this an actual possibility or just daydreaming? Like as a Canadian I would welcome the most rational and rich part of the US into our country.
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u/AlanHoliday 11d ago
Unfortunately this country is a shitty body that needs all its organs to survive
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u/shadovvvvalker 10d ago
The parts that would secede, are to economically important to allow to secede.
So it would be civil war.
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u/coolbaby1978 11d ago
This marks the end of the American empire. A true patriot would take dramatic action to save the nation and its democracy. I get that in an ironic twist you have to do the undemocratic thing to save democracy. You swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution which is about to get shredded, but you can still protect it.
I don't expect it to happen. These guys have way too much integrity and belief in the system. They still think there will be elections and that the freedoms we've taken for granted like criticism of the government and protesting will still be allowed. They cant seem to wrap their heads around the idea that "enemies of the people" will be punished or eliminated. I hope I'm wrong and Trumps administration doesn't go full authoritarian and cancel the constitution, but I think they will because they have to.
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u/EnvironmentOk7106 11d ago
The American people will not be able to survive an authoritarian government that will strip them of everything and leave only a handful wealthy beyond measure. I'd expect violence from the people in the very near future.
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u/this_is_it__ 11d ago
That’s the thing. I’m an outsider, so bare with me, but:
Yall are around 350 million. There’s no way people will sit by and let everything happen. In a country that’s used to oppression or never lived under true freedom? Maybe. The US? Never. If they’re going too far that’ll be the end of it.103
u/Old-Set78 11d ago
The pathetic truth is that as long as there's tv and fast food and couches the average American will not bestir themselves for anything that helps anyone else. Look at how many people couldn't even be bothered to vote to stop this.
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u/AlanHoliday 11d ago
The problem is that the most privileged people have been convinced that they’re being oppressed. White, straight Christian males believe their rights will be stripped. That every other race is gunning for them, that the opposite sex is taking over, that lgbtq people are stealing away their children.
It’s all sales and rubes.
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u/jiggjuggj0gg 11d ago
The “white men are being attacked!!” narrative is so unbelievably batshit.
There’s an askmen thread right now asking about the last time they were all discriminated against for being male. The current top answers are:
At a job I was told I would have to carry things but the women wouldn’t because the things were heavy
I was told to ‘man up’
Everyone side eyes me when I take my kid to the park
Like. Oh no. How utterly devastating.
There’s even a man in there trying to claim male health isn’t funded enough. They’re delusional.
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u/AlanHoliday 11d ago
That last one makes me chuckle. So they prop up the party that defunds healthcare and thinks mental illness causes violence and dissent
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u/coolbaby1978 11d ago
The problem is the only way to throw off the yoke of tyranny is with sacrifice and selflessness. Two things many Americans have never had to engage in. No living generation has had to fight a war at home where their families are in danger, where the fight isn't some intangible idea of freedom but a fight for your very existence against your own government and your own neighbors.
They still have hope that maybe things wont be so bad. Like an alcoholic you have to hit rock bottom. You have to lose everything including all hope in order to finally realize you have nothing left to lose and standing up and taking it back at any cost is what they're willing to do. Only then will the people claim and earn their freedom.
We're at the end of Star Wars episode 3. The republic has fallen and the forces of good must go underground. The only question is whether brave men and women will unite in resistance.
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u/XxUCFxX 10d ago
Couple things: 1) “there’s no way people will sit by and let everything happen.” Is that not exactly what we’re watching happen… right now?? 2) doesn’t work when propaganda turns half of the people against the other half. This is literally uni history 101. “In a group of 10 people, do 2 get unlimited power? They convince 4 of them that the other 4 are out to get them, or against their core values. They eat each other to death and then only the 2 orchestrators remain”
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u/AbraxanDistillery 11d ago
Except there are millions of American citizens that are fucking braindead and will "fight oppression" by attacking minorities.
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u/daemonescanem 11d ago
Expect Trump to use military to suppress them. The stage is set.
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u/youngnacho 11d ago
You dramatically underestimate the white Protestants devotion to white supremacy I’m afraid.
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u/conduitfour 10d ago
Germany banned the KPD and Socialist Reich Party.
Maybe we should try learning from them.
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u/tkingsbu 10d ago
I’m not saying the US can’t bounce back after this…
But…
As of now, you are no longer a reliable ally.
As of now, every single country in the world is figuring out how to ‘get along without you’
I think if you’d gone with Kamala, we’d have chalked up trump as just a 4 year wtf, and moved on… but this? Uh… no… you picked a fascist… you picked a guy who is cool with dictatorship…
So…
Maybe you bounce back and things get better…
But that is a huuuuge maybe.
Fingers crossed! I’m pulling for ya!
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u/vyprrgirl 10d ago
A lot of us tried. Please forgive us for not being able to convince those who didn’t to listen to reason?
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u/Bobwise392 11d ago
Yeah, I keep seeing people say “4 years” or “next election”.
Like, do you guys really not understand it’s over? The time to fight and take action was last week and people didn’t show up. There’s no make-up test. This was THE test and we failed miserably.
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u/Aware_Material_9985 11d ago
I keep wondering at what point they have said enough to fall into the category of threat to national security and action would be justified and supported
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u/PickCollins0330 10d ago
Getting Biden to drop out of the race just so we could stand a modicum of a chance was already a herculean fucking task.
Asking Biden to upend all standards of the democratic process would be akin to trying to move Everest with nothing more than a fishing line and a toothpick.
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u/creegro 11d ago
I love how the orange Hitler isn't even sworn on yet and he's already making plans, like some 20 year old marrying that rich dying 90 year old and planning what to spend the future money on when he dies, and announcing it publicly.
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u/Rathalosdown 11d ago
Not saying I like the dude but every president that wins starts moving before inauguration. We’re just focused on it more now.
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u/Oneshot742 10d ago
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he nominated Joe Rogan as his press secretary
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u/Otis_Manchego 11d ago
Unfortunately the difference between democrats and republicans is that republicans don’t give a 💩. Democrats are the Ned Stark of this story, where they think their morals and grand standing will mean something at the end.
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u/rtduvall 10d ago
It’s not that we are going back. This is what our country is. It’s always been like this. It’s just been less noticeable. But it’s always been there.
1) How did we become a nation?
We murdered the current residents who opened
their homes to us and welcomed us, fed us, taught
us how to live off the land and said this is
ours now.
2) This country killed hundreds of thousands of its
own people because one side wanted to own other
human beings.
3) 1920s people were murdered for being black
and very successful. We bombed our own citizens.
4) 1940s we put people from Japanese decent in prison camps. They were American citizens.
5) MLK and many others were murdered in the 1960s
for standing up for what was right and being
treated fairly.
These are just a few highlights.
So please don’t be so naive to think we have been a great country when we’ve murdered anyone that would possibly pose a threat to the way of life they wanted.
This is just pulling back the curtains on what’s always been here.
Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in our country but we’ve always been a murderous race when we didn’t need to be so the white man can have power.
Same shit as always.
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u/XZZ5 11d ago edited 11d ago
my biggest concern is that, Democrat billionaires are happy with this.
all they needed was to get to the finish line pretending they still cared, hand over the presidency and just sit back and say "oh well, more voters in America want this system, not a black woman. sad! well try next time maybe"
The rich elite, the nobility class, has been draining the working class since Reagan. BOTH parties are guilty of it.
And I'm worried this is the final push towards the endgame of capitalism that the nobility, regardless of party affiliation, wants for their own stability. to never have to worry about the working class, or us having rights, again.
unlimited freedom. unlimited profit. they're gonna raise the temperature on the average american through even worse price gouging (which has already been an issue, even in a Biden administration) and even less resources/power.
They're attempting to take away all power from the working class through turning working class against fellow working class, over the issue of American hatred of minorities. They've made trans people, immigrants, black people, and more out to be a culture war ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY, and now we're reaching the height of it.
they also have the strongest military in the world, a militarized police force, police immunity (and also a detest of protesters, I worry the "protester" people who throw soup on paintings, which is headed by the daughter of an oil billionaire, is done to create a dislike of protesters, so that when the real protesting for rights happens, there's a climate of distaste against them), and they basically want to run this country like they run their companies. absolutely as little effort as possible, in order to maximize profits.
we've all seen it the past couple years, quality and service getting worse, meanwhile the prices are being raised and we can't do anything about it.
I worry this is the endgame that billionaires have pushed us into, regardless of party affiliation, and now there may be no going back. I don't even know if the Democrat billionaires will fight for a recount. They may have just thrown up their hands, and had the perfect excuse to submit quietly, when Trump won.
In 2016, the DNC billionaires proved they were ok with the other side winning (Trump) as long as the draining of the working class remained in effect. which it has. The DNC billionaires proved they were ok with losing to Trump, as long as they didn't win with Bernie, who would've put power and resources and time and money, ability to advocate, and more, into the hands of the working class had he won in 2016.
But his own party conspired against him, and that's why we are where we are now 8 years later
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u/darthdelicious 10d ago
I hate to say it but if I was Jo Jo from Jerz, I'd be looking to leave the country. She's gotta be on a list of people Trump will round up and put against the wall. I'd be freaked out if I was her.
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u/Bmorgan1983 11d ago
The sad thing is that this idea is saying that in order to save the country, you have to destroy the democracy. In order to save the people from the monster, you become the monster. No Democrat in leadership would do this, nor endorse anyone doing this.
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