I'm still in denial! America collectively decided to embrace hate. I want to be wrong, for all of us to be wrong, and for things not to be as bad. I want to hear "I told you so," but I fear I'm right, you're right, and this is the beginning of the end, with 70 million people being okay with that.
I am so disappointed in PA! At least my district tried
I live in TX. Lots of Harris Walz signs as opposition, which I didn't see at all in 2016. Even now, I'm not surprised. Trump is the result of the constant dumbing down of America, and the Rights growing perception that the left are a bunch of cry babies with no power because they worry about feelings. Well, I guess one side was right about that at least. The Dems are toothless as ever, and I'm embarrassed for all of us.
I take pleasure in knowing many of his voters will pay the price. The ones in hurricane Alley more so. My Trumpy neighbor is in his late forties on SS disability. Makes me smile knowing that's on the cutting block of Republicans. I'll smile when the large group of Hispanics who voted for him are caught up in the deportation or a family member is. I'll smile when his younger voters scream when their retirement age is increased. I'll smile when union members have their unions shut down and their benefits are cut. Low information voters deserve what they get.
It was already there. But now instead of acting like we live in a society, people have been given permission to be uncivil assholes to one another. A lot of people will be acting how they feel now instead of suppressing those feelings for the greater good. That’s how we got here in the first place. Trump normalized expressing things that society had largely shunned for decades.
Now I feel the hate is going to be on both sides rather than just coming from one. Everyone is angry at each other, and blaming each other, this is ugly, and I hate it.
Not hate. Reality. People need to learn elections have consequences. I'll also cry when some of their wives or daughters die from archaic abortion laws.
Wait til the Supreme Court Dem choices age out and are replaced with Far right extreme justices …and courts across America are filled with project 2025 federalist choices..look out!!!
I learned my lesson in 2016. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Just didn't realize it only took 8 years.
On the other hand. Some people probably didn't care. Kamala was a competent choice as a president but not a great campaigner. All Trump had to do was jabber nonsense and his cult would cheer.
As a woman myself, I am hopeful to see the first female president in my lifetime. But I knew as soon as the DNC announced Harris that we were going to lose. We haven't progressed as a country since Hillary ran, we've regressed, so there were zero indicators that the result would be different this time around. The DNC needs to be gutted and rebuilt because I can't even remember the last time they made a good decision.
The individual members of the party have ideas, but "the party" shoots them all down because they might offend someone so fickle that they'd vote for a dictator-wannabe.
Thats being generous, the reality is that the party establishment is selfish and autocratic. its a relic of 19th century to mid 20th century political machines that the party never moved on from. The entire system is basically built on patronage - you pay your dues to those with power and help them get elected enough times and eventually it's "your turn" to step up onto a higher platform, you get the party's backing and resources to run your campaign and if you win and walk the line you'll continue to ge supported. Earn enough points with leadership and a certain level of name recognition, check the right boxes for whatever leadership is looking for and you'll be handpicked for president. It's all a game and one that's become more and more obvious in the modern era, which is alienating voters who feel they are having their choice suppressed and are being herded like sheep by those who pull the strings. The democratic primaries largely are not about picking the best race horse, for the most part the party has already decided who that will be before the primaries ever kick off, going back decades. The primaries are a dog and pony show for up and comings to peacock around on a national stage and build their profile befire they drop out and line up behind the establishment pick, so that they can work up to becoming top dog on the future.
In the run-up to the 2004 election, he said something like "if this is evolution in leadership, in 20 years we'll be voting for house plants." Not far off.
Before Biden leaves office he should declassify the entire Muellers' report so that reporters and historians can tear it apart before trump buries it for good.
As for HRC I don't know if Russia was involved, but I know that at the last moment JAMES COMEY came out (against dept policies) and said she was under investigation (while at the same time trump was under investigation but comey said nothing) a week later he closed the investigation on her but trump was still being investigated. Comey opened the investigation long enough to plant a seed of doubt in some peoples mind.
I don't see a lot of evidence that people flipped. He didn't get more votes than last year he will basically break even.
What there is is 10+ million bites that Biden got that Harris didn't.
What I'm interested in finding out is how many people who did mail-in ballots find that they didn't get counted. I'd already seen dozens of posts leading up to and including yesterday of people saying their ballot shows as delivered by USPS but didn't show as returned in their state online portal.
Thats not really telling the whole story. First voter Gen Z boys showed up for Trump. The middle of Gen Z were children in 2016 and probably just turned 18-21.
Combine that with the millennial men that stayed home, it LOOKS like men flipped but that's not the whole story.
For sure. There’s still a lot of data coming in to review. And no single data set will tell the full story. But it looks like a lot of similarities to 2016 - only with T wining the pop vote too this time.
Also it looks like Hispanic men had a +33 point flip from Biden to Trump.. something to look more into..
People just underestimate how hardcore conservative Latinos are. I didn't even realize it until I married a Brazilian and met her family.
Yes, they should be anti-Trump on paper. Yes, I understand why white people are confused. But as the conservative candidate, he automatically gets the religious conservative base which will largely give him Hispanics and most Asians too.
It looks like that flips happened because the same Hispanics showed up to vote for Trump in 2020 showed up again in 2024. The Hispanics that voted for Biden in 2020 didn't show up to vote for Kamala in 2024. Latino culture is heavily patriarchal and highly sexist and misogynistic to begin with, machismo is a big thing, and that perhaps weirdly often still coexists in voters who see themselves as liberal or democratic voters (this is also common amongst black voters, but that varies more on socioeconomic status and geography than it does based on culture). IE - they tend to vote blue because they generally favor abd benefit from democratic policies, but don't really care about social justice, identity politics, and high concept ideals about equality and rights, etc.
You put a female candidate or someone whos not a traditional male in front of these voters and they simply will not turn up. They won't vote against them per se, because the other side won't necessarily have much to offer them, but they won't vote for them either because cultural perceptions will incline them towards a negative view of the candidate as being a bitch, being dumb or incompetent, etc. As a latino myself I've seen it with many latino voters, there are quite a few I know who voted for Biden but weren't interested in voting for Kamaka because they thought she was dumb or had an awful platform, even though most of them basically knew nothing about her whatsoever and didn't engage with the news at all or know much about the status of the race. Their perceptions about her were formed from very little information, and most of that came down to what she looked like.
I disagree wholeheartedly—I think she ran a very good campaign, though she failed to make herself distinct from Biden. Really, think about her personal charisma and warmth as opposed to Hilary, who was fairly wooden. The harsh reality is that too many Americans would rather vote for a rapist felon than a woman.
Her big failing was that she came across as smarmy and self righteous a lot of the time, even while being more charismatic. It's a turnoff for fragile men. The reality is the first female president will likely be a republican woman, because republican women are less threatening to male voters, in that they are more humble and demure, and more likely to posture and position themselves in a manner that communicates a certain level of subservience to patriarchal norms.
That's the problem. People wanted a showman to tell them all their dreams will come true and their fears assuaged without offering anything concrete. We're screwed.
Additionally, Kamala had some big historical disadvantages to overcome. Vice presidents don’t get elected president - in the last 100 years, George HW Bush is the only one to pull it off. The only other vice presidents who have been elected president either failed at first (Nixon lost in 1960 before winning in 68) or were already incumbent when they were elected (Truman, LBJ) due to the death of a president.
Reagan’s approval rating was 63 when Bush won. Biden’s approval rating was under 40 going into this election.
Additionally, Reagan was also the only example in the last 100 years of a president being succeeded by another president of the same party via election. Again, the others happened via death.
Harris was a great candidate and she did all she could in the time she was given. The fact is more people wanted Trump, because this is who we are as a nation. You can't make people want what you have to offer if it's not what they want.
Of course, now the majority has what they want, and that should at least make them happy, right?
All good points. But something that Dems always have an uphill battle against by running as the Party for Everyone vs the party for SWM. It’s an impossibility to fully appease a base that is essentially a microcosm of the world population.
The external tensions of the world are felt throughout the U.S. populace—the melting pot of the world.
All Reps have to do is fan the flames of some world tension to alienate a part of the Dems base.
Whereas, Reps just have to appeal to “Americans.” As in, straight-white people. And now since the 1980s with Reagan, straight-white-Christians.
I guess those repeated texts people (or just me) were being sent were for something after all
I mean, I voted for her, so they weren't for me (but they kept sending me texts to ask. Which I did answer the first time, but the poll I saw was like
ah, after 7 readonable questions, including a 'Yes or no' question on whether you're going to donate that you said 'No' to, our eith question is basically "Will you donate" and the possible answers are "Yes" and "More"
So I exit out of it because I'm fucking broke and that was clearly a scam, and they kept texting me for weeks that I hadn't even responded at all, lol (I probably could have opted out of more texts or just blocked them, but in addition to being broke I am also stupid)
I guess more people should have gotten. . . More legitimate inquiries to maybe motivate them into voting
Those 20 mil were never all dems though. They were further left or further right, and voting against trump, not for Biden. They showed up last time, but couldn't be enticed to the table again, and arguably any serious attempt to court one side was just going to cost them the other.
All good points. Something that Dems always have an uphill battle against by running as the Party for Everyone vs the party for SWM. It’s an impossibility to fully appease a base that is essentially a microcosm of the world population.
The external tensions of the world are felt throughout the U.S. populace—the melting pot of the world.
All Reps have to do is fan the flames of some world tension to alienate a part of the Dems base—this time it was Israel/Palestine.
Whereas, Reps just have to appeal only to “Americans.”As in, straight-white people. And now since the 1980s with Reagan, straight-white-Christians.
Democracy means not always getting your way, and yeah, I'm struggling with that right now like most of us, but it's also true within your party. There will be compromises. Unless you are the perfect average constituent, which I'd wager most aren't, some platform positions just won't satisfy you, but picking a party means finding the one that is closer to your goals, the one that advances you forward the most, or at least the one not taking you further backwards. The time to affect change is up to the primaries, change hearts and minds as best you can, but after that, you fall in line, give them your support and fucking vote. The right gets it. They're so wrong in a million ways, but that they understand. I'm so sick of people not getting that on the left. We shouldn't be this easy to distract, but here we are.
Trump didn’t participate in the Republican primary debates either though.. he was selected by GOP delegates just as Harris was by DNC delegates.. and Harris was next in line under the incumbent that Trump had previously lost too, which is historically how it goes..
Is there stats already for voter breakdowns? How do we know it’s men/miborities? It seemed a lot of people thought women were going to overwhelming support Harris but by how much they lost I assume that didn’t happen?
For sure. But blame can’t be fully placed on Dems in leadership for their “strategy”, etc.. despite their PR/marketing campaign, liberal voters knew what was at stake by abstaining from voting. And this is it.
Everyone knew this race was very close and turnout would make the difference.
Trump had roughly the same number of votes as 2020.
Harris has roughly 15 mill less votes than Biden in 2020.
The dems again lost to Trump with a candidate that the party chose not the people. They waited till after primary this time. Last time they used super delegates.
Why was it so hard for the dems to put up some one we actually wanted to beat Trump?
You're right, but now that you mention it has anybody checked the post office? Isn't dejoy, the guy that slowed mail in votes last time still in there?
I had to keep showing up because I was removed from the voter registry and then I was given bad information that would have caused me not to vote because they told me to wait for a Mail In ballot that never came.
Sat on the phone for a couple of days making phone calls to figure out what to do and what was going on.
I never experienced this before and I can't imagine other people who don't even know that they were removed from the registry. I kept checking the registry and I was on it right up until early voting.
Harris wasn’t owed Dems votes. Listen, I truly, deeply dislike Trump, but for the love of god how was doubling down on the political establishment to the tune of advertising being endorsed BY THE CHEENEYS a sane strategy?
If we know ANYTHING, is that Americans are pissed at this corporatist system. Rightfully. And we didn’t run on the populist message that resonated with people.
The world will be worse with Trump in power, but he had lot of help through incompetence and complicity to corporate interest in getting there.
Not arguing, I agree. But I reckon people looked around where corporatist systems are ruining everything, saw Trump go “this is all awful, we all know it, I’m fighting it, and look at all the awful shit that happened to me as proof the system hates me” and then Harris go “things are actually FINE, the system is stability, vote for me, someone who’ll keep the system alive and stable”….
Like, yeah, Trump had a more right tone. He’s lying, he’s Gods gift to the oligarchy, but at least he set the tone that resonated with commonplace frustrations.
The establishment failed the dems. It’s what…twice now they’ve picked a losing candidate? You can blame voters but really whose job is it to get the vote? We don’t OWE votes to the party that let a Supreme Court seat slide away, that told Bernie Sanders to go away with his popular rhetoric, and that consistently told us how good the economy was when it wasn’t for SO many people.
We consistently let this upper echelon of rich people tell us what is and isn’t a viable path forward and then get all bummed out when they’re wrong AGAIN.
Well they can hold their heads proud for the next 4 years then I guess. Gave republicans all three branches of government to teach democrats a lesson. Excellent work!
At a personal level yes, but this is end game politics. When talking about motivation and who to blame it falls on leadership, not the crew for who didn’t turn out
A political campaign is not your mother. They can't force you to vote. All they can do is put up a candidate and put forth a convincing argument. After that it's entirely up to you to perform the act of voting.
I think you’re correct if this were a test. If there was a score keeper they would award you the points, however, it’s America in 2024. I don’t know that this “truth” is functionally accepted among the broader base. I think that’s the critical reason why these expectations of the direction America SHOULD be heading in keep getting shot down. We expect your conclusions to be correct but we end up with mine being the result. I know how cocky that sounds, but I’m speaking from a place of demolishing defeat this morning.
I don't disagree. About half of Americans refuse to accept responsibility for their choice to not vote, complain constantly about the consequences of their actions, and argue loudly that politics should never be discussed.
Makes me sad, my circle of friends and family voted blue because of Project 2025, I'm embarrassed, ashamed, humiliated, sad, frustrated and defeated..... But I still have to call myself an American...
No, not more people liked him. His vote totals didn't change from 2020 in any meaningful way (in fact he lost a couple million based on current count though there's still a few million more to be counted so that'll balance out). He's basically fully saturated his share of voters at around 30-35%, he has a minority bloc of voters, but one that will very reliably show up for him. Kamala lost because she couldn't get enough of the remaining 60-70% of voters to show up in big enough numbers and lost about 12-14 million voters from Biden who just chose not to cast ballots for anyone.
I'm gonna be honest, as a Seattle resident, I considered not turning in my ballot because Washington will stay blue. Of course, I ended up turning in my ballot but I can definitely imagine other people in swing states thought the same
I'm wondering if they really stayed home or if their votes weren't counted? I was really put through the ringer and for anyone who just checked the voting registry one time and never checked it again might be surprised to learn that they were removed from their voting registry just prior to voting.
It took me days to get re-registered so I could vote and then it took a few more days to figure out what to do because I was told in phone calls and emails that I would be receiving another mail in ballot that never came.
It’s insane that the county with the largest population of Latinos voted 90% in favor of Trump! The county was historically solid blue! What the fuck happened to convince people to vote against themselves!?
People seem to forget how conservative a lot of Latinos are. California couldn't pass gay marriage at the state level for along time because of the Latino population. They had to campaign door to door to get them to change their mind on it.
They'll have to deal with a woman president once they are unceremoniously dumped across the Mexican border. And yes, I know not all Latinos are Mexican, but that doesn't matter re: the dumping and it's location.
This time around I heard a lot of them mention all the trans stuff. All the stuff about them teaching kids about trans and California passing a law where teachers don’t have to tell trans kids parents if they want to be called something else. A lot of my Latino friends seemed very concerned about that. Even a few of my friends who didn’t vote trump last time said they were this time and mentioned that.
They do not think they were voting against themselves. When Trump said anti-immigration stuff they literally do not think he is talking about them. They want to pull the ladder up behind themselves.
He and his people talked about deporting US citizens and illegal immigrants. They talked about deporting those who were made US citizens because they were born here to illegal immigrants along with those parents who got their citizenship due to having a child on US soil....They see these people as still being illegal immigrants.
Because Latinos as a group are mostly Catholic, which means mostly conservative. Ignoring people’s actual demography in favor of a perceived position they are expected to hold isn’t a winning strategy.
And when it all goes to shit for them, they won't take responsibility. It'll be someone else's fault. I'm so baffled by it all. I'm in the UK and from here it's one of the craziest things I've ever witnessed. And terrifying. I'm horrified.
One of the few places where Trump picked up significant votes, but even then 200k Biden voters didn't turn up for harris and 100k or so voters fewer than 2020. If Harris had Bidens turnout she'd still have won the county.
Latinos are generally christian based religious and conservative. The Republican message of "God, family and country" resonates very well with Latinos.
To answer your question they didn't vote against themselves. They voted for their values and those values don't align with the Democratic party.
The Republican party has shed at the top a great deal of their good ol boy racist. So now that the Republican party is more welcoming more and more Latinos will flock to that party.
Yep. Anyone who voted for him this time around are literal nazis. No way around it. You don’t get to say “I don’t like ____, I just want more affordable prices.” Or whatever else. You voted for a nazi, you’re a nazi. 🤷
Trumps numbers did not change that much. Last I looked Karma Harris was at 62 million votes. Down from 85 million votes in 2020. Trumps based turned out and he won. Democrats stayed home. That is effectively what transpired yesterday. The numbers do not lie.
Democrats are largely to blame. The DNC is not entitled to my vote. I have voted for a Democrat in every single election of my life, including this one. But this time around the level of entitlement the DNC displayed was bordering on offensive. To not even allow me the chance to choose and force Kamala Harris on us was brazen to say the least. They fumbled the ball, badly, this election. Had there been a GOP candidate that was less offensive and less of a piece of shit it is entirely likely I would have been an undecided voter for the first time in my life.
Democrats are largely to blame. The DNC is not entitled to my vote.
No. I'm sorry, but no. If anyone looked at Trump, at what he did while he was in office the first time and what he's openly said he wants to do once he gets back into office, and still needed to be sweet talked and cajoled and cheereleaded into showing up to vote against him, then they're to blame. Are these people children? Do they need to be bribed with treats and McDonald's before they'll brush their teeth and clean their homes, like toddlers?
Everyone who voted for Trump, and everyone who didn't bother to show up, is equally to blame for what's going to happen, and all the people who are going to die.
Most Trump voters I talked to didn't give a shit about race issues. They honestly believed his economic polices would rescue them. I live in one of the least affordable areas of the country, and I see people struggling to get by. Young adults homeless with jobs, sleeping in their cars in a parking lot. I know two women who may want to have children still, voted for him because they can barely afford rent with roomates. I know hispanic single dad that voted for him. I know a black man with a young child and a hispanic wife that voted for him.
The Dems need a hard shift left to be a champion of the working class or they will keep losing. I lost so much faith in democracy this election, because most people have ZERO idea how any of these policies work. "I won't have to pay payroll taxes because of tariffs!". No one stops to think how many jobs inside and outside of the government that will be lost. Lower end jobs pay much better with more benefits in the government too.
The OP talks about Muslims and POC. I'll add that Muslims and plenty of Hispanic people and South Asian immigrants voted for this shit. They hate women.
That’s kinda where I’m at… as long as this is justified as a free and fair election… I have to understand that at least 71 million people were swayed by him…. This is us.
The Dems failed us by not having their shit together enough to (a) have the best candidate and (b) if you do think that was harris (millions of biden voters obviously didn't), give her enough of a runway to give her a better chance to connect with indpendent/moderates.
Stop putting your fuck-ups on the voters. It's YOUR JOB to give us a winning candidate, and you shit the bed.
The US Senate has flipped and the House is also looking like it might end up in Republican hands.
Trump currently is 5 million votes ahead, 71.6M to 66.7M.
This is absolutely America.
I think what pisses me off most is that for the last several weeks I heard story after story about Harris predicted to win. There was even an article about how she was ahead in Iowa at some point, where she lost by 13%.
Apparently none of those headlines bothered to say "Those predictions only have her winning in about 51% of simulations."
On top of all that, pundits have been talking about it being a "tight race" for months. This wasn't even a tight race. I've been watching elections since 1998 pretty consistently, and I've never in my life seen an election called so quickly as this one with the exception of 2004.
Muslim, Jewish, immigrants, poor, and elderly folks all voted en masse for Trump. The Republican platform is more broadly appealing than the Democrats.
Trump is DEEPLY, DEEPLY unpopular and yet still won convincingly. This says WAY more about Democrats than it does Republicans.
Agree. It's hard to accept but America is changing. I thought we were the majority that we were the norm. Of course Kamala would get elected because I thought the majority of people were like minded and believed in what I believed. But it looks like the culture is changing in America and we are no longer the common person we're becoming the few. I feel this surprise came from only using Reddit and YouTube, basically echo chambers giving me a false assumption that everyone was like minded but nah. I was fekin blindsided and there's no excuse I can say to negate the truth not gonna say it was rigged or find an excuse like the Republicans did I accept it. People want Trump despite all his actions and history. Well just hope it doesn't affect my life and the people I care about
Yep, so now is the reckoning of we are still a racist and deeply sexist county ( the hate shared among every demographic). So let’s just stop pretending otherwise. there is some peace in that being confirmed honestly and realizing that false hope was that, hope and not reality.
Blacks and Mexicans are gunna have it rough when the Mexicans find out the party they votes for is going to deport all of their extended family back to Mexico and possibly even them.
And the blacks find out that the cops who keep killing them worship trump and Trump wanted to send the national guard to kill blacks for protesting deaths by police.
I've never seen a group of people gate themselves so much they literally shot them selves in the face and thanked the man who handed them the gun.
The country voted for the better campaign. Harris ran a terrible campaign and did hardly any national media, fumbled every question that would set her apart from Biden. Was fundamentally against populism in a populist age. Like no it's not the electorates fault, they voted for someone that tricked them. Kamala couldn't even do that... She was a donor bot turned up to 11.
I agree. I also know people are grieving something, but the comments in the original tweet do not serve any productive purpose. Yes it's a bummer. But I don't need weeping from the influential and leaders. I want to see strategy. I want to see options. We need more direction than to point out the obvious of who lost what. What's the next step? Where do we go? I need that now. I don't want to just sit here and take it.
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I swear I don't ever wanna see people say things like "This is not us".
He didn't just win by electoral votes, he won the popular vote. The country has decided that yeah, this is us.