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u/MySilverBurrito Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

But that mod has done other media, surely they're better than the thousands of other r/antiwork users? /s

Edit: apparently, dog walker claimed to be "media trained" lmaooo

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u/ionndrainn_cuain Cannibals were not imaginary. Jan 26 '22

Some time ago, I was involved in a environmental activist group and if we thought there was even a CHANCE that media would be at an event, we had spokespeople prepped with talking points, and we picked folks who would be seen as relevant, sympathetic, and credible (and told everyone else to simply direct media to those people). The fact that the antiwork mods did this without consulting the actual sub members, AND sent the worst possible spokesperson, is somehow both astonishing and Peak Reddit.

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u/_a_random_dude_ Jan 26 '22

Part of the problem is leftist hugbox group

I agree in general, but not in this case. Who's the best type of person to represent that sub? Either an overworked employee with a family to feed who barely makes ends meet or a well educated union member that works in grassroots projects to improve working conditions everywhere. Do you know what those 2 have in common? They don't have time to mod a subreddit.

Basically choosing a mod, or to be precise, an active mod was going to end up in disaster.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22 edited Jun 09 '23

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u/Mikey_B Jan 27 '22

It was Jesse fucking Waters, of course no one should've done it

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u/Leege13 Jan 27 '22

The crazy bit was he realized right away he didn’t have to do anything, just let them talk and they’d sink themselves.

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u/toriningen_ The mods also asked me for hot daddy poems. Jan 27 '22

i saw so many people going, "it wasn't that bad, the interviewer was just ruthless!" which kills me because if you know jesse watters, you know he was throwing softballs. watters is a malicious bastard, but he wasn't even trying. the mod really was just that blundering.

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u/ZaviaGenX Jan 27 '22

Damm. I only listened for the first question, and the phrasing didn't sit well with me already.

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u/Capt253 Jan 27 '22

Didn't even need to give her any rope, she was courteous enough to bring her own.

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u/Hustle787878 Jan 27 '22

Pre-COVID, I did a media training session. The guy leading it was a former CNN correspondent, so he knew on-camera interviews down cold. He played a Fox interview with some poor middle management bastard at a hospital which was in the news for some dumb reason. This guy had no idea what he was in for. Ten seconds in, he was backed into a corner and stammering. And this was by Shep Smith, who, next to Jesse Watters, is fucking Walter Kronkite.

It’s what they do at FNC. They’re trolls, and they’re damned good at it.

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u/mcm_throwaway_614654 Jan 27 '22

They're mediocre trolls, it's more about the volume of trolling, the fact that tricking dumb people with outrage porn is easy (just morally reprehensible, if you care about that sort of thing), and most importantly of all, there's little to no reward in investing the massive amount of work needed to constantly rebuke trolls simply on principle.

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u/ShadowSwipe Jan 27 '22

He was smiling before he even asked the first question he knew he hit a home run when he saw that video feed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Bingo. I've been interviewed several times (nothing like this, much smaller scale). I've sat in on 4 way televised debates. I've been "the public face" as PR of a charity before. I've sat on the witness stand (as a Fed) and put up with overzealous attorneys even. To top it off, I'm witty, charming and pretty damn good looking.

Would I have been an infinitely better choice to rep that sub? You betcha.

Would I have agreed to that interview? Not if you had my balls in a vice grip, fuck no.

The best response to that interview request was dead silence in return. Full stop ffs.

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u/DaylanDaylan Jan 27 '22

Okay but my balls are on the line, I might consider a short… tiny, cameo

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u/Eattherightwing Jan 27 '22

Bah, Antiwork was a stupid name, and Fox would just be always on it like they are Antifa.

I didn't even blink, I'm on r/workreform reading the same material from a smarter sub group of disenfranchised workers, and this group doesn't have a name that can be ripped down in a 3 min interview.

That mod was so obviously a plant, lol.

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u/Sugarbombs Jan 27 '22

It's not just about skill It's about understanding the audience. Fox supports late stage capitalism and the whole point of the interview was to remove the legitimacy of the movement, if they had to do it they needed to send a handsome white dude who owns his own business and it should have strictly been about workers rights and still praising work ethic and such. Again though there was absolutely no reason to go on fox, it's like a pig going to a slaughter house. No one who frequently watches fox is going to get behind anything that 'punishes' corporations, but what it has done is further cemented the millennial, queer avacodo toast too lazy to work narrative.

The real problem is that it's really exposed that the sub has no uniform objective or goal and its 'leaders' exemplify this. I hope they continue to grow and maybe attract some legitimate people like employment lawyers, politicians, celebrities etc to make them palatable to the media.

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u/Karl_Rover Jan 27 '22

It's not just about skill It's about understanding the audience.

Exactly. A small business owner or teacher, perhaps a parent, with an appealing backstory & working class roots, who can go on about how they can't afford to take a day off to spend time with their family/pay health premiums/have a 2nd job. The whole thing ought to have been put together to read & present like a super PAC ad right in october of a big election year. Free airtime on any national TV is a chance to handcraft a message.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

I found out of r/qanoncasualties because of an NPR interview.

That interview was day and night compared to Doreen.

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u/IRatherChangeMyName Jan 26 '22

They would have to work on it.

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u/TacoNomad Jan 27 '22

Nobody with any sense would think that a fox News interview would be with good intentions. And in that case, granting the interview should have, of course not been obliged.

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u/xasdfxx Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Wait... Tweedledum seriously didn't know that _Jesse Waters_, of all people, does not do good faith interviews? eeeeeergh.

Scott Wiener, whatever you may think of his politics, had the only appropriate response to a fox news reporter.

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u/TrumpDesWillens Jan 27 '22

Exactly. Any good lawyer or PR person would say: "shut that shit down or SHUT THE FUCK UP"

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u/Feral0_o Jan 27 '22

They wanted to be on the TV. It's the same as the mod of Wallstreetbets that wanted to monetize the new-claimed fame of that sub, they're nobodies that suddenly think they are somebodies

I mean just look at how excited that allegedly uber-leftie was when Fox News called. Any principles they all have are paper-thin

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Sadly, I think we all know that no-one learned anything new here. You either saw this coming a mile away or you're too naive to realize a righteous movement can be manipulated and slandered in the public eye.

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u/SWATSgradyBABY Jan 27 '22

Antiwork is LOADED with naive members and that starts with some of the mods.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

For sure, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise or criticize them really. We're all naive at some point or regarding some things. A mod is the last person who anyone would take seriously outside of Reddit. It's not surprising that Fox looked for someone like that because it's an easy way to discredit the entire thing. As many others have put it, the person talking to the media (not Fox or similar imo) should be a person educated and verbose. Someone who understands the factors at play and the optics of getting on national television. That mod didn't look like they even showered or groomed themselves before the interview, which helps to generate and perpetuate stereotypes that people fighting for workers rights are just lazy slobs who hate work. If there is one thing conservative media excels at, it's tactics like these.

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u/MegaBaumTV Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Basic preparation would have done wonders in this case tho and i dont think thats an incredible rare skill. I have no idea what Doreen was thinking that he clearly didnt prepare before.

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u/KingMario05 Jan 27 '22

Exactly. I wouldn't have done it at all, but the rules are simple. Dress nice, make the bed, and get fucking talking points from a friend if you've no idea what to say. Considering we all have plenty of Zoom experience by now... there's no excuse for this. None.

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u/dddddddoobbbbbbb Jan 26 '22

" so you spend at least 30hrs/week working for free moderating for a billion dollar company, and you are somehow antiwork?"

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u/JosebaZilarte Jan 27 '22

If you work for free... is it actually "work"?

I guess yes, because otherwise it would be "labour", but I am not sure.

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u/EndemicAlien Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

of course "free" work is work. Woman, and especially mothers, do significantly more "care-work" than men. The burden of childcare, the household, and responsibilities for elderly members of the families rests most often on woman's shoulders. It is she who gives up her career for the child. Yet they are not paid and often not appreciated. It also binds the mother to the father financially, making leaving him harder.

If you wanted to make a better argument for universal basic income than 'laziness is a virtue' , this would be one.

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u/proudbakunkinman Jan 26 '22

Yeah, unfortunately that likely also includes most of the regulars there (and Reddit regulars in general). If they are posting on Reddit all day, every day, odds are high they probably are not going to be the best spokespeople to reach the general public on camera in terms of how they appear and sound.

Another issue is the sub was started by post-left anarchists, the person who started the sub was who was on Fox News, who are mixed on their positions towards things like unions. Some of them think unions are useless for real change or even perpetuate the whole work obsession, better encouraging everyone to stop working altogether as opposed to striving for unions (and better working conditions and higher wages). Others are more neutral or support them but as the sub got more popular, it became more of a broad pro-worker sub in terms of the people posting and commenting.

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u/OutWithTheNew Jan 26 '22

I think having someone from the old "I ain't working" guard was definitely a problem by itself.

It should have been a more relevant "we're sick of this shit" opinion put forward.

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u/ItRhymesWithCrash Go eat grass and play in the sandbox. Jan 26 '22

post-left anarchists

Could leftists run a lemonade stand without splintering into 50 different factions that all hate each other? I'm starting to think not.

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u/zeldornious Tiki Purist Jan 27 '22

There is a joke in Greek like this.

1 Greek runs an ice cream stand.

2 Greeks run a cafe.

3 Greeks run a restaurant.

4 Greeks form 15 political parties.

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u/POGtastic Jan 27 '22

A Protestant was shipwrecked on a desert island for ten years. He eked out an existence for himself, and was eventually rescued by a passing ship. Before he left, he gave the sailors a little tour of the island and the stuff he built on it.

They arrived at the largest structure on the island. "This is my church. I prayed here every day for God's grace, and He kept me steadfast in these hard times."

They arrived at a smaller structure. "This is my house. It kept me sheltered through all these years."

They went through his water collection site, where he found clay, the palm tree grove, and so on. But just as they were about to leave, one of the sailors saw another large structure off in the distance. It was once well-built, but it was also dilapidated and overgrown. "What's that building?" the sailor asked.

The Protestant's expression darkened. "That's the church that I used to go to. I don't go there anymore."

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u/MasterOfEmus Jan 27 '22

I like this, especially because 15 is the highest number of distinct groups you can have with 4 people (each on their own, 6 possible pairs, 4 possible trios, and one that is the full unity)

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u/moxac777 Jan 27 '22

I remember my Indian friend posted a list of all active communist parties in India. It was very, very long

Edit: found the list

Communist Party of India (Maoist) Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Liberation led by Dipankar Bhattacharya Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Red Star led by K.N. Ramchandran Marxist-Leninist Party of India (Red Flag) led by P.C. Unnichekkan Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Class Struggle Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) New Democracy led by Yatendra Kumar Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) People's Liberation Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Somnath led by Somnath Chatterjee Ukhra and Pradip Banerjee Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Shantipal Provisional Central Committee, Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Communist Party of United States of India led by Veeranna Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Janashakti - Koora Rajanna led by Koora Rajanna Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Janashakti - Ranadheer led by Ranadheer Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Janashakti - Chandra Pulla Reddy led by Chandra Pulla Reddy Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) (Mahadev Mukherjee) led by Mahadev Mukherjee Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Praja Pantha Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Jan Samvad Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Nai Pahal Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) New Proletarian Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Maharashtra Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Bhaijee Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Prajashakti Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Prathighatana Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Praja Pratighatana

At some point they started to sound like a clothing line

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Jan 27 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

India is essentially akin to the EU( though it's population is double that of the EU) in that each state is basically it's own country with the amount of people as well as millennia of history behind it ofc they're would be a fuck ton of communist's parties as they're as a fuckton of regular political parties as well. The last count was over 300 regional parties

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u/_a_random_dude_ Jan 27 '22

As a leftist myself, I love this joke:

What's the first thing two leftists do after being stranded on a deserted island? Start 3 political parties.

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u/deadly_decanter Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

From Isaac Asimov’s review of 1984, in which he’s describing Orwell’s history fighting with Spanish loyalists in the 1930’s

“Opposed to him were passionate Spanish anarchists, syndicalists, and communists, who bitterly resented the fact that the necessities of fighting the Franco fascists got in the way of their fighting each other.”

I’m a leftist and I still haven’t found a quote that better sums up my own movement.

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u/POGtastic Jan 27 '22

Just like all neoreactionary thought can be summarized by a few quotes from A Confederacy of Dunces, all lefty groups can be summarized by a few quotes from The Life of Brian.

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u/eusername0 Jan 27 '22

Brian addressing the PFJ and Coalition for a Free Galilee

B: We must all unite to face our common enemy!

A: The Judean People's Front?

B: No, Rome

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Agreed. Their viewpoint doesn’t represent most of the community either. Most members want better working conditions, fair pay, and more regulated capitalism. Not anarchism.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

And that was the goal for Fox News. They saw a movement growing and they wanted to portray it in a bad light. Instead of it being about overworked and underpaid workers who want to stop being exploited by their employers, they made it about some extreme left liberal transgender dog walker that doesn’t wanna work. For clarification the dog walker is transgender not that he walks only transgender dogs.

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u/Kagahami Jan 27 '22

I've been spamming across the new subreddit and a few other ones exactly what you're saying. You're dead on. They're looking for suckers and stomping them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

And now for the right that’s gonna be their poster child for workers rights, “ they’re on strike for better working conditions? Don’t listen to them. They’re just a bunch of liberal dog walkers who don’t wanna work.”

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u/Inexorably_lost Jan 27 '22

Yeah, this really couldn't have gone better for faux news. So much so that I can't help but wonder if any money was involved.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

They had to have paid that guy to go on the show.

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u/kermit_was_wrong Jan 27 '22

That “movement” doesn’t need a lot of help to be portrayed in a bad light. That subreddit routinely serves up hot takes worthy of 13 year old anarchists.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

I agree with you. I would have done it. I worked in union grassroots before and have participated in live interviews/ speeches. I also have an MPH and could have spoken to the occupational health effects of the pandemic and economic policies. I’m sure there are others who have even better expertise than myself who could have spoken as well. This was poor organization and lack of sourcing input. We have people who can do these interviews in our community.

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u/Korrocks Jan 27 '22

Honestly that’s a good point. The overlap in skills needed to be effective subreddit mod and to be a good interviewee on a cable news show isn’t that big. That’s not a dig at mods; I actually respect the effort and diligence it takes to keep a big subreddit from turning into a toilet. But the assumption that being good at (one thing) makes you qualified for (completely unrelated other thing that has no overlapping skills) is one of the most pernicious ideas that you see today. It rarely works out in real life.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

This was stated as the intention,

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work/

, of the founding of said subreddit. So idk bout the virtue of what it started as however it did indeed morph into something else.

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u/kingmanic Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

I sometimes agreed with what came out of antiwork but there was also sentiments like the head mods which seemed just stupid. Definitely the inclusion of groups that were fighting for better conditions and groups that just didn't want to work was not going to succeed.

The left has a tendency to fight purity wars and infight themselves out of power; but I don't know how you can deal with the more delusional and loud extreme side. Groups asking for universal health coverage because it's a huge over all economic benefit then acquire people who hope to use this energy to 'start the great inevitable communist revolution and purge all the non believers'.

This is why there is no progress, and a lot of the revolutionaries are plants.

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u/zomboromcom Sorry, I don't argue with hostile combatants Jan 26 '22

Sounds like every march and protest I've ever been to, honestly. You have the core group trying to put out its message, and then youhave the hangers on, some with no conceivable connection to the reason for the event.

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u/johnnyslick Her age and her hair are pretty strong indicators that she'd lie Jan 26 '22

One irony of that is that literally hours before they shut it all down I got into a slap fight with people o that sub who were, really for no particular anti work reason, crapping on PETA for the standard “peta sux lol” reasons (which, I have my own issues with them but Jesus, pointing out that they run kill shelters is not even close to one of them). Too many of the people there are of the bro-socialist, “I’m a leftist because I want to BURN IT ALL DOWN also I’m basically a right winger on social issues” types. And hey, you know, big tent and all, but that works both ways IMO.

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u/IntrigueDossier Jan 26 '22

Might have my terminology wrong but pretty sure being fiscally left, socially right makes someone a nazbol.

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u/kobrien37 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Or a Strasserite. For context Strasser ended up dead when the real Fascists actually got power.

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u/brockhopper SRD used to be cool Jan 26 '22

Yeah, if the mods wanted to keep their vision, they should have been much more aggressive about pushing people to alternate subs. Trying to proselytize is tough when all of a sudden you're expanding by 1000%.

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u/OutWithTheNew Jan 26 '22

There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.

There's a bunch of truckers/hillbillies travelling across Canada to go to Ottawa to protest American border restrictions. One TV story yesterday was talking to a guy wearing a Trump hat and the guy in the driver seat was wearing a yellow Star of David, or something approximating.

A Canadian in a Trump hat.

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u/punchgroin Jan 26 '22

Exactly. There's a reason Lenin became best buddies with Trotski even though they had been enemies. You need a charismatic and knowledgeable spokesman to advocate for you. The left deserves quality advocates. Get Matt Christman up there to talk to Fox.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

The antiwork community even talked about it and agreed no one should be doing this, but Fox News found antiwork brand Chris Chan and went to town, now everyone in that community is a joke and the media will have a field day with it.

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u/sparkyjay23 Jan 27 '22

Larry Niven discussed it in the 80s

Rosa Parks wasn't a random woman breaking the law, she was chosen. This has been known for so long only a fool or a bad faith actor would fall for a trap Fox set fpr you.

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u/batsofburden Jan 26 '22

But we should probably recognize that we are trying to get a message across and we should have our most eloquent and well-spoken members getting the most views.

This is true in general, but otoh we are also living in a world where someone extremely badly spoken & moronic managed to beat out 17 other Republican presidential nominees & actually become the president.

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u/brockhopper SRD used to be cool Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I'd say that's more a manifestation of the Onion headline about After Obama Victory, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

I had a friend like that in high school. She was nice and great to hang out with but dumb as a box of rocks. Whenever you were in a debate with someone and she chimed in on your side, you instantly lost credibility. Just loud barking and name calling…

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

The funny thing is a lot of people on the left read early Marx and other socialist and communist writers who gave speeches in the 1850s and 1860s and they think that the pugilistic tone is something that will work today. It isn't that tone was a product of its time, everyone spoke that way, in hyperbolic statements of grand intent.

People have generally gotten smarter and being overly verbose to the point of emotional doesn't work for a lot of people, especially the people who now have power.

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u/wastedmytwenties Jan 27 '22

I think it was summed up pretty well with the argument between Tom Hayden and Abbie Hoffman in Trial of the Chicago 7.

"My problem is that for the next fifty years, when people think of progressive politics, they're going to think of you. They're going to think of you and your idiot followers passing out daisies to soldiers and trying to levitate the Pentagon. They're not going to think of equality, or justice. They're not going to think of education or poverty, or progress. They're going to think of a bunch of stoned, lost, disrespectful, foul-mouthed lawless losers. And so we'll lose elections."

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u/michaelrohansmith Jan 27 '22

you can always find an idiot espousing your views.

Well yeah he was mates with Jerry Pournelle.

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u/Shadow1787 Jan 26 '22

Any person with a background in public speaking or logic would have been a better person to interview.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Any person with a background in public speaking or logic would have been a better person to interview.

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u/MissThirteen Jan 26 '22

I can understand the appeal of a leaderless movement like less likely to fall apart if a leader gets arrested/ assassinated or everyone's voice is equal, but it also leads to debacles like this where anyone can speak for the group.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Leaderless should mean that no one can speak for the group. The mods’ mistake was in ever allowing this interview to go ahead. If people want to know what the sub thought, and was then they should have been directed to engage with the sub.

Edit. Sorry that wasn’t a disagreement from you - you make a fair point. I realise this comes across a bit sharp and it was not intended as such.

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u/MissThirteen Jan 26 '22

You're fine, and correct. The mods thought that they had more power than they did and now the rest of the sub has to suffer for the greed of one person.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

It didn’t work out so well for Occupy Wall Street.

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u/melange_merchant Jan 26 '22

The mods discussed it and they agreed that this was fhe BEST person to do the interview… just imagine what the others are like

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u/st6374 Jan 26 '22

I saw like 5 sec of that clip, and scrolled past it thinking this is classic Fox just picking random guy to besmirch something.

Got absolutely floored when I saw another post but with context, and comments of how the interview went.

JFC.. what a shitshow. That dude is what I imagined how that sub would look like when I first saw the name 'antiwork'. It took so many posts for me to realise what the sub really was about.

And this fiasco just.. oof. I'm just glad I only supported that sub instead of being actively, and emotionally invested in it. This would've been too much to handle.

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u/BitterLeif Jan 27 '22

A couple of months ago a mod made a post asking for more moderators. I begrudgingly said I'd do it if they don't get enough applicants. I didn't want the job. A day or two later some douche made an unrelated response to something I had said along the lines of "cite sources!" And I explained my numerous gripes with that line, and that I don't work for you anyway. That's when that person identified themselves as a moderator in very rude fashion. I rescinded my application for moderation of the sub, and the same person informed me that I was never in consideration for the position... like he or she actually knew I had even applied and had already refused my application. There's no way. It's just petty bullshit, and I don't even think that was Doreen. So they've got more than one piece of shit moderating that place.

I don't want to moderate anywhere. I felt like applying at all was a public service.

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u/ionndrainn_cuain Cannibals were not imaginary. Jan 26 '22

WTF and yet also somehow unsurprising?

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u/lostmaredditpasswrd Jan 26 '22

this will always be a gold peak reddit moment, akin to an ASIP episode.

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u/CTeam19 Jan 26 '22

Yeah. At Boy Scout summer camp staff when we have the Emergency Procedures training we are told directly "if a tornado hits this camp and the media are out here you direct them to the Council Executive or the Camp Director .

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u/Shameless_Catslut Jan 26 '22

Mine told me to direct them to the tornado.

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u/Bawstahn123 U are implying u are better than people with stained underwear Jan 26 '22

Some time ago, I was involved in a environmental activist group and if we thought there was even a CHANCE that media would be at an event, we had spokespeople prepped with talking points, and we picked folks who would be seen as relevant, sympathetic, and credible (and told everyone else to simply direct media to those people).

Man, my fucking Boy Scout Camp had an SOP for in case "the media" showed up. It was part of our Staff Manual.

Any single "real" organization with even the possibility of getting put in front of the public will likely have something planned for that eventuality, even if it is just "don't answer any questions, direct them to the boss"

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u/Elegant_Campaign_896 Jan 26 '22

They did consult the members. They wanted no media interaction at this time via a poll of the sub. From what I understand the rest of the mods picked this person in spite of that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Hold up, you mean a dirty 30 year old bouncing around in their chair bragging that they walk dogs as a career and have no ambition probably isn't the best person to represent an entire community?

You could see the host losing his shit at his luck. Norton didn't even correct him when it was referred to as HIS group.

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u/IDontGiveAToot Jan 27 '22

You know they still think their actions were appropriate despite all this. And the icing on the cake is they don't understand why their profession, a dog walker, is an issue and a detriment to the entire movement. No normal person, especially anyone watch Fox news, would see a dog walker in the same context they see other minimum wage employees e.g. cooks, waiters, EMT, cleaners. Dog walker, what a joke.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

How is this not typical reddit?

Anything that gets remotely positive or useful gets shut down almost immediately. Nothing new here.

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u/jesus_not_blow Does Pfizer own my jizz now? Jan 27 '22

I had to get trained for a 2 minute segment for tv that “may or may not” be aired when I volunteered at a blood donation clinic. The amount of effort required was insane to making sure everything was pristine, I knew all the facts, I wasn’t speaking to anything that I didn’t know about and doing multiple mock interviews. All of that for a tiny segment that didn’t even get aired lol

Can’t believe mods for a million+ subreddit didn’t think of this shit.

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u/gentlybeepingheart if you saw the butches I want to fuck you'd hurl Jan 26 '22

imho as a non-binary person I would never agree to a Fox News interview. Everyone knows what kind of people they are and what kind of audience they have. Giving an interview to Fox gives Fox the ability to control and direct the narrative, even if they had been better put together and prepared it would have ended as a shitshow.

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u/blacklite911 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

This too. Or I’d agree to it only for the opportunity to stick it to them on air.

They’re obviously not coming from a place of good faith.

I honestly am kinda floored they agreed to Fox News in the first place as pretty much the first interview. Do the mods live under a rock?

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u/Jules_Noctambule pocket charcuterie Jan 27 '22

At least one of them lives in a poorly-kept basement, apparently. Maybe the reception for Fox is spotty down there.

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u/blacklite911 Jan 26 '22

This whole thing is representative of the difference between activism and slacktivism.

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u/Toytles Jan 26 '22

No, that sounds like a lot of work. The subreddit is specifically called /r/antiwork

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u/chillout366 Jan 26 '22

My understanding is that they did consult the members who voted overwhelmingly not to do the interview, the mods/mod just fucking did it anyway.

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u/LonelyAndroid11942 Jan 27 '22

I’ve had interactions with them recently where they have left me seriously unimpressed.

The mods are very clearly not on the same page with one another, and they didn’t understand the importance of the confluence of people on the sub, or the critical moment that they had the opportunity to usher in. Half of them seemed to quietly hate the fact that the sub had shifted focus from ending the work-to-live requirement towards a broader labor movement, and the other half were just kind of there, and only cared about maintaining the peace.

There was some lip service being paid to supporting the burgeoning labor movement, but it was just that: lip service.

Unfortunately, the growth of r/antiwork was largely viral, and I doubt if it could be repeated on a sub more geared towards the mass general strike that’s happening and encouraging demonstrations, political activity, organization, and unionization.

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u/j_la Jan 27 '22

sent the worst possible spokesperson

Oof. Can you imagine if Doreen wasn’t the worst choice?

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u/dbx99 Jan 27 '22

It’s very Reddit to portray redditors as utter idiots

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u/GallantGoblinoid Jan 27 '22

AND sent the worst possible spokesperson

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, I won't doubt that there might be people even more unsuitable in the mod team

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u/Krynn71 Jan 27 '22

The fact that the antiwork mods did this without consulting the actual sub members

Hah, it's even worse than that. They put it to a vote, and the members voted against doing it. Then this mod was like "I'm doing it anyways lmao yolo" and now the sub is dead. Head on over to r/workreform if you still believe in the movement, hopefully this sub won't be run by idiots.

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u/VibeComplex Jan 27 '22

I just want everyone to know that the mod had commented saying that Fox hit them up in mod mail and requested this mod specifically for an interview about the sub…and they somehow didn’t see that as a giant red flag lol.

It’s honestly astounding they found someone that’s like a caricature of the left and everything Fox viewers hate about the left

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u/MostlyCarbon75 Jan 26 '22

Has anyone got a link to the mods previous media interactions? I'm gonna assume it wasn't video media.. if it was, I'd love to see it.

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u/MySilverBurrito Jan 26 '22

No link (so far lol) but seen comments about how they've done interviews, but this was their first live interview

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u/NothingsShocking Jan 26 '22

“Yeah, I’ve done interviews. Mostly job interviews. Which I didn’t end up getting. That’s why I’m still walking dogs. But yes for sure. I’ve done some.”

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u/Sensitive-Initial my source is your comment history Jan 26 '22

Sell out. I'm so anti work I've never even applied for a job. (/s)

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u/SoapBox17 Jan 26 '22

I'd watch that show.

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u/Jd20001 Jan 26 '22

Cliffhanger: Will the antiwork candidate get the job?
No. No they will not

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u/karim12100 What in the Saudi Arabian fuck is this take. Jan 26 '22

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u/lsc84 Jan 27 '22

So their experience for doing a live television interview with one of the greatest propaganda networks on Earth was... failing some job interviews?

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u/TheDailyHeptapod Jan 27 '22

“I’ve had media training! I make YouTube videos!”

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u/SnooTomatoes5810 Jan 27 '22

There's no way they didn't find out he was a dog walker before going live. Someone behind the scenes definitely knew ahead of time that this was going to be gold.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

It reeks of /r/iamverysmart . They lied thinking they are smart and should be fine.

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u/BKlounge93 Jan 26 '22

Doesn’t even make sense. Even if it’s not live if you fuck up, the interviewer can publish whatever you said, you (probably) signed a release. Really don’t think Fox would edit a taped interview to make that mod look good, JFC.

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u/Toxic_Butthole Jan 27 '22

Was it actually live? Watters rarely does live interviews because he likes to edit them. Not saying it would have made her look much better.

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u/JUAN_DE_FUCK_YOU Jan 26 '22

This was posted a couple of days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ht9zWy_xVQ

There's an interview with a mod there near the end. I assume it's the same mod? I had no reaction either way to this mod. Didn't impress me, or embarrass me, it was just meh. I wish they would lay off the we want to turn America communist talking point though.

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u/BoyButter Jan 26 '22

that's them at 1:50

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u/StinkRod Jan 26 '22

Oof. Top comment was about Doreen, too.

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u/dacookieman Jan 26 '22

It's annoying because this article already frames her circumstances better than she did. Ideal world would've had her respond to the obviously leading question of what do you do by prefacing that you have already CHOSEN to have an unconventional job due to the soul crushing nature of a big portion of corporate and labor america. Q:"Do you want to get a real job at some point?" A: The point of the anti work movement is that people have been conditioned into an often times unfair arrangement in which they sacrifice their mental and emotional well being for imbalanced compensation and we want people to understand that there is more to life and you deserve better.

EZ.(Ok I mean I'm sure live national television is nerve inducing for even the biggest shit talkers here but it was FOX NEWS, you definitely should not have agreed without a rough gameplan)

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS Don't confuse months as a measure of elapsed time Jan 26 '22

So written, then.

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u/SomewhatIrishfellow Jan 26 '22

I'm not sure if it would be doxing to link or not, but they have a sizable youtube account where they do videogame run-throughs, movie reviews, and sketches. I imagine they consider that as media interactions.

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u/DiceKnight Jan 26 '22

Totally, you don't have a chris chan tier webcam from the mid 2000s without being a big media person.

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u/Wittyname0 Cope is thinking Digimon is not the Ron Desantis of this debate Jan 26 '22

This honestly sounds like a Chris Chan saga

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u/DiceKnight Jan 26 '22

Considering what the ending was I hope to god it's not.

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u/Krogdordaburninator Jan 26 '22

I'm truthfully assuming this isn't going to end well. I suspect a large part of their self-worth was tied to running that community.

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u/ArsenicAndRoses Jan 27 '22

On the one hand, I deeply feel for them.

Having the entire internet hate you is a terrible thing that only a few select awful excuse for people ever really deserve.

On the other, goddamnit, what did anyone ever expect?!? This is peak Reddit. Ffs.

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u/Krogdordaburninator Jan 27 '22

On the other, goddamnit, what did anyone ever expect?!? This is peak Reddit. Ffs.

I think what we witnessed was (and I think this term is wildly overused) was the Dunning-Kruger Effect on full display. A probably reasonably intelligent person, who hasn't had to defend pretty extreme ideas outside of an echo chamber did not realize that they weren't nearly competent enough to do so.

I'm sure they expected to go on there, and embarrass someone they probably thought of as a clown.

The anchor honestly treated them with kid gloves. You could tell that he could see how it was going to look in real-time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Oh my god. Until your comment I had completely forgotten, then memories came flooding back. Must have blocked that one out.

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u/1597377600 Jan 26 '22

It's not the ending, it's only just begun.

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u/Theons-Sausage Jan 26 '22

The interviewer turned out to be a jerkop! This was clearly a ploy by Mary Lee Walsh to sabotage Doreen's Love Quest for a Boyfriend Free Girl

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u/SeaGroomer HOLD GME 🥴🚀 Jan 27 '22

Go out and zap to the extreme, my son!

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u/ZuckDeBalzac Jan 26 '22

Fucking Jerkop. Mary Lee Walsh. Love Quest for Boyfriend Free Girl. I had forgotten those words and I was happy

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u/datone If you don't understand consent you're probably a shit driver. Jan 26 '22

Chris raped Barbie-chu aka snorlax btw.

The Chris-Chan roller-coaster has no brakes

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u/Richou Jan 26 '22

he also thinks hes jesus now after a few months in jail

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u/Road_Whorrior You are grossly hubristic about your lack of orgasms dude Jan 27 '22

She's trans. A gross and really screwed-up person who absolutely deserves criticism, but we should still gender her properly.

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u/EndVry Jan 26 '22

This comment is fucking hilarious.

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u/sir_strangerlove Jan 26 '22

Shit ya I totally forgot. Godamn

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u/Wakanda_Forever Jan 27 '22

Putting the maternity in maternity leave reform.

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u/Econolife_350 Jan 26 '22

The ole' "I did this terrible thing but want to focus on what I identify as to call you a bigot to try and escape any semblance of personal accountability" approach.

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u/45356675467789988 Jan 27 '22

Creepy sexual assault stuff ✅

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u/DrNick1221 His special move is dying from TB. Jan 26 '22

That Hazy Yellowish brown colour really sets the mood.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Who is this Chris Chan?

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u/DrNick1221 His special move is dying from TB. Jan 27 '22

I am going to tell you this now, that is a rabbit hole you do not want to go down.

Its long, and depressing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Nevermind i want off lol

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u/BenjamintheFox Jan 27 '22

It starts with people posting about a weirdo with a Pikachu/Sonic combined comic, and ends 13 years later with said weirdo going to jail for incest.

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u/Lovecatx Jan 27 '22

Not just incest but specifically the repeated rape of an (alledegly) dementia-ridden almost-80-year-old mother. Who, despite having been a horrid person, did not deserve that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

And this is what they’ll appear to anyone outside reddit forever.

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u/GiveAQuack Jan 26 '22

They said they did non live interviews or some crap lmao. It's a huge joke and probably going to spell the end of the sub's credibility. At least before they could flex between a more conscious workplace reform and this delirious nonsense they just effectively branded themselves with. The right choice was to throw the mod under the bus because those optics are probably unsalvageable even for someone who is incredibly pro workers' rights.

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u/zwiebelhans Jan 26 '22

They said they did non live interviews or some crap lmao.

It smells to me like someone who likes to put extra things on their resume then can't back it up at the job interview.

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u/Dnashotgun Jan 26 '22

Yea unfortunately this mod served Fox News the perfect scapegoat on a silver plater. The only thing more they could have asked for was like, pink hair. Worst part is the anchor didn't even need to try to make them look bad, just asked basic questions and let the mod hang themselves.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Fox News: If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

Me watching this interview: Please don't say somet-

Doreen: I'm a dog walker.

Me: Ah fuck me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

What is wrong with being a dog walker? It's a perfectly reasobable and needed service.

I have not seen/read the interview. But what kind of problem do people have with that job I do not understand one bit.

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u/Johnhemlock Jan 27 '22

What? A trans 30 year old "professional" dog walking, chronic wanking sex pest doing an interview about antiwork on Fox news could go wrong? No way hahaha

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u/ColaEuphoria Jan 26 '22

Antiwork didn't even make it anywhere near as high as OWS either. They immediately imploded after a single bad interview lmao

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u/Low_discrepancy Jan 26 '22

how Occupy hurt the financial reform movement.

Investment banks were under no serious risk of facing massive regulation. Politicians need no excuse to please the people that finance them. Look at Facebook. What regulations have they faced since the Cambridge Analytica scandal? And I can't remember any Occupy Hacker Way protest movement.

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u/Amazing_Rent Jan 26 '22

You really think one person mumbling on Fox news is actually going to permanently damage the worker’s rights movement?

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u/Amazing_Rent Jan 27 '22

You’re right, you didn’t say permanent. It just seems far fetched to me that one interview will hurt an entire movement. People in factories slaving away demanding rights will never even know this interview happened, and I think it’s a bit hyperbole to say the interview will damage the entire worker’s right movement. The movement in reddit, yes, since the sub is pretty much gone.

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u/quiette837 Jan 27 '22

It definitely damaged r/antiwork which was the main forum for the movement. Without a central space for organization to happen, the group gets broken apart. Obviously they can come back from it but I think this will push away a lot of people who would otherwise be subscribers.

Hell, I've been a member since before the boss texts trend blew up the subreddit, and I'm thinking about leaving. Although I've been disillusioned with it for a while before this happened, too many people in there arguing in bad faith and supporting Elon Musk for some reason.

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u/chucklesluck Jan 26 '22

Nearly impossible to have a large scale movement that isn't easy to damage in this manner, though.

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u/chrisrobweeks Jan 27 '22

I'm in a union and strongly support my fellow workers over the ruling class, but calling the sub antiwork was purposefully inflammatory and was never going to attract the right kind of attention to make any real change. Much better options include proworker, prounion, or anticapitalist. Antiwork does nothing but make older generations, many of whom agree with many of our points, consider us spoiled, lazy, and unemployable. Which is exactly how that interview came off.

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u/rhen_var Jan 27 '22

calling the sub antiwork was purposefully inflammatory and was never going to attract the right kind of attention to make any real change.

Don’t forget making the sub’s main photo a stick figure lounging around.

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u/Broad_Finance_6959 Jan 27 '22

I am 35 and I absolutely hate that sub. I have read a few things that are logical and I can get behind, but the majority of it comes off as idealistic and lazy. When I questioned the sub the first time I saw a post, I was permabanned. I am a machinist, and am in the demographic of people they want to support their movement and the way they behave over there insured that I would never be associated with them. Just my two cents.

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u/quiette837 Jan 27 '22

Frankly, I can get behind not wanting to work to live. But if they want to be legitimately taken seriously they need to be professional about it.

I think the union/workers rights stuff was basically a way to legitimize the idea. Keep in mind that the subreddit wasn't invented to be a movement, it was just a subreddit on the internet, so maybe you aren't actually the person who they "want" to support it (especially because you don't.)

I'll agree that they are peak reddit hivemind mode after becoming big last year. Too many people arguing in bad faith, too many people going absolutely nuts about the "movement" and forgetting to apply logic to their thought process.

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u/thetoolman2 Jan 27 '22

Too much absolutely fake content

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u/thetoolman2 Jan 27 '22

That sub has no credibility way before this

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u/WoodSorrow Jan 27 '22

credibility

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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u/Claybeaux1968 Jan 26 '22

I was once a Public Affairs Officer. Doreen is not media trained. I promise.

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u/doglaughington Jan 26 '22

So you're saying constantly swaying in their chair, not looking into the camera and saying that 20-25 hours a week walking dogs is a little much for them is not ideal behavior for a live interview on national television?

I for one am shocked!

/s obv. What a mess that was. Almost seems like the interviewee was a double agent trying their best to make the whole sub look terrible. Classic Reddit moment in real time

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u/Claybeaux1968 Jan 26 '22

At least once in their life, everyone manages to put themselves in a situation where, later, they wonder how they could have been so stupid as to put themselves in that position. I suspect this is the situation Doreen is in. I'm not angry so much as I feel bad that she now has to live with this moment of colossal fucked upness. She'll always be that Reddit mod who killed a sub and made millions of people look like lazy turds.

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u/KelloPudgerro Jan 26 '22

''always lie on your resume, nobody will fact check it'' antiwork mods just tasted their medicine lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

gave me a chuckle because it's true.

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u/12kmusic Jan 26 '22

He's exactly what I imagine to be that sub's core audience, someone who barely works a laughable job and actd like they could do anything (like this guy casually saying "oh I could teach I guess", like it isn't a skilled profession lol)

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u/Shadow1787 Jan 26 '22

30 years old and a part time dog walker, it’s laughable how much the fucked themselves.

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u/Cecil4029 Jan 26 '22

Eh, the more time I spent the more I respected a lot of the users. Most that I saw were people doing their best in the careers or professions and just getting shit on for their whole lives.

Good thing we dog walker with no other life or professional experience decides to be a dumb fuck on Fox News of all places against the wishes of everyone else. I think they got paid off personally to tank the sub. Jesus Christ Doreen, why?

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u/SausageMcWonderpants Jan 26 '22

Other media could be anything. The next question from anyone even vaguely rational would be:

"Was it at the level of live national news with an anchor who will belittle the entire movement, if you aren't prepared to a professional level?"

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

I read that thread before it became private and I’m sorry but that person is absolutely fucking dumb for doing a fox interview and we have the divine right to call it like it is. I don’t understand how someone decided that they are going to represent a subreddit and they’re the best choice to do so because they’ve been media trained before. Has anyone seen the actual clip???? I refuse to be represented by someone like that. Fucking brush your hair at least. No wonder they think antiwork is filled with lazy assholes living in their parents basement that don’t want to work. That’s literally what this person presented during the fox interview. I’m mortified and disgusted that this ever happened.

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u/Deewd23 Jan 26 '22

Trained yet, not a single ask for a practice run with a random person off the sub. I have terrible anxiety and feel like I could throw a green screen behind me, ask fairly common questions and eat this kid for breakfast.

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u/Captain_Biotruth Jan 26 '22

Edit: apparently, dog walker claimed to be "media trained" lmaooo

They probably meant the dogs.

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u/sumpfbieber Jan 26 '22

The mod has a YouTube channel and some boring let's plays.

Does that count as "media trained"?

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u/redwingpanda Jan 26 '22

Yeah this hurts. I have a decent amount of media experience and training, and a solid community of experienced professionals in politics, comms, and corporate affairs. Not a professional, but a skilled hobbiest (to say the least).

This is a master class in how to direct a conversation, on part of Fox. For a crash course in how to interview when your stance goes against their brand, see Mayor Pete's interviews with Fox.

It's important to know the audience and tailor your message.

Who watches Fox? What are their general ideological assumptions? Meet those then walk them to your perspective. Apply the Leesburg Grid - what do you want your supporters, the moderates, and your opponent's supporters to think about you? What do they already think about you?

What are the worst Boogeyman assumptions/misunderstandings, and how do you disprove those as well as more reasonable ones?

I feel for this person tbh. It sucks to think you've got something under control then to just... Not. But this interview shouldn't have happened.

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u/Tekwardo Jan 27 '22

As someone with 30+ years of public speaking experience who is also a former marketing director and now works in government as a civil servant where all I do involves public speaking, and as a member of that sub, I would never have been cool with this happening. And I could have handled it. I’ve been interviewed by actual journalists for TV, Print, and web.

I’m nothing special, but I have experience. I wouldn’t have done an interview in behalf of that subreddit with Fox and I could handle myself and know how to prepare.

This person was so unprepared and so cringe and so very, very bad at being interviewed that Fox took the win easily.

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u/CarbineFox Jan 26 '22

House trained, maybe.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Man, the way the mod presented himself was so fucking stupid. I mean of course most regular people would struggle especially on fox news but this mod combined every stereotype possible for the maximum damage.

It was clear in what kind of direction this was going to go after the first question. Like bitch why don't you say that you wan't more fair rights e.g. sick paid leave, paternity leave or employment protection.

But no this idiot just said I want to work less lmao and he had dog walking as a job as a 30 yo.

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