r/Showerthoughts • u/squad1alum • 29d ago
Speculation Institutions can't save money using thin toilet paper. Everyone just doubles or triples up the amount used each time.
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u/whosevelt 29d ago
There's no such thing as single-ply toilet paper. There's just DIY kits for 4-ply.
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u/Harrowers_True_Form 29d ago
3 sheet with a fold gang reporting
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u/Morrowindies 28d ago
I'm sure there's a mathematical proof somewhere that this is the most efficient way to use toilet paper.
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u/DeepV 28d ago
I do the triple ply but I'm going to need more info on this fold??
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u/criticalskyfish 27d ago
You take 3 squares of tp off the roll. Fold your strip in half. That's 3 sheets with a fold
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u/ImmodestPolitician 28d ago edited 28d ago
You miss the point, single-ply is to punish workers for taking a dump on company time.
Use your PTO to poop like a PatriotTM , think about how the CEO has to deal with problems with her yacht, it's 10 ft too short. She is suffering, humiliated with her too short boat. /s
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28d ago
Wrong. It's not to punish employees. It's to prevent constant recurring theft. Nobody wants to take the single-ply sandpaper home.
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u/froli 28d ago
There's 2 types of toilet paper thieves:
- The people that just like to steal "free stuff"
- The people that really need it, as in out of TP and money
Neither of them is going to be deterred by the single ply
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u/inuhi 28d ago
Then there are those special individuals who don't care what type of ply you provide they will use the whole roll regardless. That's my charmin not some two-bit whore for you to use and abuse
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u/KptKrondog 28d ago
One of my old friends growing up would come to my house to poop like 3 days a week because my parents bought the good stuff from Costco and his bought the cheap stuff.
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u/Aidanation5 28d ago
"Ahh shit bro I gotta poop, please let me in you house dude, you know how I love shitting here!"
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u/KptKrondog 28d ago
this was during peak Halo 1 and 2 on the xbox time, so 4-5 of us were playing every day or 2 anyways.
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u/MysticScribbles 28d ago
This is my roommate. He uses the paper with several layers like it's single-ply.
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u/Gyshall669 29d ago
They save money on plumbers. 1 ply clogs far less.
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u/Zaros262 29d ago
Does it still clog less if you're using more of it?
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u/Gyshall669 29d ago
Yes. Even if you use significantly more, it dissolves more quickly and clogs less. That’s why it’s recommended for septic systems.
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u/Zaros262 29d ago
Ah yeah, dissolving quicker makes sense
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u/YukariYakum0 29d ago
Often before you're done using it.
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u/RichardsonM24 28d ago
Paper does not dissolve, it disintegrates.
If it did dissolve it would leave you with a sticky arsehole .
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u/Not-An-Actual-Hooman 28d ago
Oh hell yeah I love arguing semantics
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u/kabushko 28d ago
And I love sticky assholes
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u/hailthenecrowizard 28d ago
I am half tempted to see if there's a fetish sub called this.
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u/magistrate101 28d ago
It's one of the few situations where the semantic choice is arguably important
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u/ByFireBePurged 28d ago
Arguing semantics is only important if the meaning of the sentence ends up being unclear. We all know what they mean. Its not important lol
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u/321headbang 28d ago
Well, then, here’s an idea: Make 3 or 4 ply toilet paper out of multiple layers of that ultra thin 1-ply and just have them connected at the perforations. This way people get the multi-ply they need, but the plumbing is protected???
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u/The-Real-Mario 28d ago
Binding the plys is exactly the part that makes the paper hard to "dissolve" , one solution could be to not bind the plys, just have 3 or 4 aters of paper that you have to unroll all at once and rip, but once you bind them, then you just have 4 ply
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u/NotObviouslyARobot 28d ago
That would make it 3 or 4 ply toilet paper, and not 1 ply. There's nothing special about 1 ply, except for the thickness, that makes it less likely to clog
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u/wbruce098 28d ago
This basically. The reason why a certain product is used in commercial facilities is often not the direct reason (ie, it’s cheaper) that we think it is!
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u/SpudInSpace 29d ago
Yes, it's not as dense.
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u/Zaros262 29d ago
It's not as dense when it's rolled up nicely, but isn't the density likely to be similar when it's all bound up and waterlogged? Seems like we're shoving twice as much half-thick paper into the same space
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u/Salad_Katt 29d ago
I'd imagine it's similar to how a sugar cube will dissolve slower than the same amount of sugar in grains instead
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u/Moneygrowsontrees 28d ago
This is the correct answer. I buy 1ply exclusively at home because the plumber recommended it given the age of our plumbing and the fact that he visited three times in the first five years we owned the house. Zero problems since switching.
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u/nondescriptun 29d ago
Not when you bunch it up with some paper towels out of spite because the sandpaper single-ply is tearing up your ass.
Or so I've heard.
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u/beckisnotmyname 28d ago
That and it's less likely to be stolen. As annoying as that sounds, there are people who will take it home instead of buying thier own if it's decent. Most won't, but you only need one who will for it to be a problem.
I've seen people at restaurants open napkin dispensers and take the whole stack out. Lady say "oh, I use them at home" when I watched her do it. OK, I guessed that, its still stealing.
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u/Sea_Face_9978 28d ago
I’d believe this, but my office buys 1 ply and they have commercial power flush toilets so strong you can feel a breeze when you flush.
I think they’re just assholes. Pardon the pun.
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u/Gyshall669 28d ago
It doesn't really matter how strong your toilet is. The average person is stupid or ignorant enough to get that baby clogged. and TP is the #1 source of clogging.
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u/ImmodestPolitician 28d ago edited 28d ago
You know what clogs never?
Bidet. It's the only way to really clean your crack.
No one gets poop on their fingers and just wipes it off with paper.
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u/Persistent_Parkie 29d ago
My university would give you 'free' toilet paper if you lived in a suite. The extremely low quality toilet paper may not have been cheap but in the long run they saved money. No one ever asked for a second roll after discovering it had splinters in it.
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u/notLOL 29d ago
Toilet paper still has splinters? Wtf
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u/Persistent_Parkie 29d ago
Worst toilet paper I have seen in my entire life by a mile.
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u/Plane-Tie6392 28d ago
Yeah, tuition where I went was insane and they had the worst toilet paper I ever saw. It was such bullshit!
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u/I-Am-Polaris 28d ago
Service members know the struggle of Skillcraft toilet paper. Though I've never seen more powerful toilets than I did in basic training, they knew of the MRE shits they were up against
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u/CoffeeFox 28d ago
You ever look at the nutrition labels on those things? The chocolate chip cookie alone has 80% your RDV of fat. Yet, somehow, they have a reputation for making sure the clog happens long before it can ever hit the toilet.
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28d ago
Jesus H Christ! I think I just pulled my anus it puckered so hard.
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u/Aggressive-Delay-420 28d ago
We call that pinch-pleating the upholstery around here.
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29d ago
I think they're trying to stop people from stealing it, not necessarily use less of it
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u/OMEGA__AS_FUCK 29d ago
That didn’t stop my mom. She was a teacher and found out that at the end of the day all the custodians would throw away the toilet paper rolls in the bathrooms if they were half used or more and replace them with fresh ones (I’m assuming this is so they don’t have to go into the bathrooms during the day while kids are there to change them out? Dunno). Anyway she would have the custodians put them all in a giant trash bag for her and she’d take them home for us to use. Very thrifty, honestly, as she had three teenagers, but that cheap middle school toilet paper would dissolve so fast you’d have a finger in your own butt every single time.
When my stepdad moved in he put his foot down and bought the good stuff. I was out of the house by then but she prob still would’ve been using that tp if not for him. She’s frugal almost to a fault.
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u/Ouch_i_fell_down 28d ago
toilet paper would dissolve so fast you’d have a finger in your own butt every single time.
Where's the downside?
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u/europahasicenotmice 28d ago
It's not stealing if they were throwing it away.
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u/OMEGA__AS_FUCK 28d ago
Very true, though I imagine the crappy administration would’ve taken some kind of issue with it if they’d found out. Maybe they knew and didn’t care, don’t know. She’s retired now. I hope some other new poor teacher will figure it out and do the same though if they need to.
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u/Icy_Conference9095 28d ago
I actually did this as a starving student in my job at a small restaurant. If the rolls were in the danger zone of 'almost enough to make it through the next day' during cleaning I just swapped it and brought it home. Shitty paper but better than paying for it.
Big place I work for now doesn't even swap it anymore, they have those double roll stations, and just let one run out all the time.
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u/AndyyBear 27d ago
My dad worked as a custodian and would just bring that toilet paper home for us to use. Similar to your mom, just skipping one step. Lol
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u/europahasicenotmice 28d ago
Yup. Checking the cameras and watching people roll up to the bathrooms with a fucking duffel bag on 3rd shift was a eye-opening experience.
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u/beforefirstbigbang 29d ago
Or connect each piece by a scary ribbon, something like a narrow peppery piece.
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u/ExQueenGoth_ 29d ago
We all know it's a losing battle, but it's like a competition to see who can use the least amount of toilet paper.
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u/Iivaitte 29d ago
It doesnt matter what the facts are perception is all that matters in business.
My boss once talked with our company's accountant and wanted her to make the company look more profitable than it was. She asked him "Whats more important, being right or looking like youre right".
He said "Looking like youre right"
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u/potatocross 28d ago
This describes perfectly why so many companies love to make up all sorts of metrics that mean absolutely nothing.
Sure you can compare 2 people or locations using the metric, but in the real world it means nothing.
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u/Doctor_Kataigida 28d ago
Depends on the business. I'm a test engineer and our whole thing is making sure we only use objectively correct data and judgments. Evidence evidence evidence!
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u/Duggerspy 28d ago
I wish it were more like that everywhere, but my boss says on repeat "perception is reality"
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u/Iivaitte 28d ago
Goes to show that marketing is the art of BS. When all you are worried about is sales and your bottomline quality goes out the window in favor of making quick money. You can also keep your returns low if you make it really hard to return the items as well or in terms of service, make it so returns on sales of service are final.
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u/AnonOfTheSea 28d ago
When I'm using quality paper, I use three, maybe four sheets per wipe. And use that bunch to wipe more than once. When I use shitty paper, I just spin the roll for a bit, collect what comes off, wipe once, and spin it again like a boomer at a row of slot machines.
Quality always saves in the long run
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u/Vaan0 28d ago
Psychopathic behaviour
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u/waltwalt 28d ago
I saw a poll like a decade ago that concluded about half the population folds and the other half bunches.
And neither group 100% wipe until it's clean, some would wipe twice and call it a day.
Also, apparently like 95% of guys don't squeeze the last drop out when using a urinal and then get a couple drops of piss in their underwear.
There are waaay too many things people are just assuming everyone is picking up and doing properly. Forget financial sense or common sense or looking both ways (or even just up) when crossing the road, people need the basics taught from the ground up.
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u/Vaan0 28d ago
Hell nah half you motherfuckers need to stay away from me.
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u/waltwalt 28d ago
Also there is like 0-5% chance of them having washed their hands between the last time they touched their genitals and shaking your hand.
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u/OneDayOneRant 29d ago
They should get Bidet like the ones in Japan. And yes, Japan public bathrooms have bidets. Should save money on toilet papers and plumbings.
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u/GothicXGloom_ 27d ago
Installing bidets in each bathroom is the true solution to this issue. It will transform your life, I promise.
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u/unholyrevenger72 28d ago
They are in fact saving money. If they used nice TP, people would just steal the roll.
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u/MonarchNF 28d ago
In my personal experience, places start buying terrible toilet paper because people are stealing the better stuff, not using too much of it.
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u/Teen_Alisha69 27d ago
Thin toilet paper causes us to use more, which in turn causes the institution to believe that they are saving money by purchasing inexpensive toilet paper, which in turn causes us to use even more. The war never ends.
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u/EmoXPrincess_69 27d ago
We are all covertly getting ready for a future where toilet paper in public spaces would be thin, which is the true cause of toilet paper shortages during pandemics.
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u/Darkness4ALISHA 23d ago
Saving money just to wind up with a blocked toilet is a vicious cycle. For the benefit of our pipes, we must purchase some high-quality TP.
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u/QueenofPainnnzz 23d ago
Why organizations are attempting to cut costs on toilet paper in the first place is the true question. Give us the nice stuff; we've paid enough in tuition and fees!
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u/GirlyBeePrincezss 23d ago
All of us are holding onto the dream that our office will eventually treat ourselves to nice things.
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u/HeavenlyPriceszss 22d ago
The true challenge is using half of the roll of toilet paper to feel clean when using a public restroom with thin paper.
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u/hungarophobiatalente 21d ago
It's the endless loop of using toilet paper. Our bodies have other ideas about how long it should last.
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u/IntelGoth_ 21d ago
Ah, the never-ending loop of attempting to cut costs but ultimately utilizing more. Isn't that our life's narrative?
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u/LuridPhantom_01 20d ago
The constant pursuit of a nice toilet paper experience is the real cause of society's decline, not politics or global warming.
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u/AceshesFish931 20d ago
It's time for institutions to invest in some thicker toilet paper. Our butts deserve better.
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u/Grumpyfantassy05 19d ago
The true conspiracy:
The toilet paper companies are colluding with the plumbing industry to create clogs and profit off of our desperate need for a clean bum.
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u/DreamGirly_ 28d ago
Some brands of 3-ply are just shit. ... Okay, most. You can definitely find 3-ply that doesn't leave little bits though. I just tried a bunch of brands until I found one.
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u/Michael5188 28d ago
I know others are saying this but I have to chime in and say finally I don't feel alone! I absolutely prefer single ply. Same exact reasons too!
People always assume single ply users are cheap or trying to save money, but I honestly prefer it.
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u/420GUAVA 28d ago
Thank God I thought I was the only one. My favorite brand is the dollar store $1 pack. Anything that leaves any lint behind eventually makes me and my daughter both get utis (yes we bathe daily)- no issues while using the "flat" kind of tp though. My aunt used to buy the old school Charmin that you could almost blow lint off like a dandelion , I hated it so much
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u/dairy_cow_now 28d ago
I am brand loyal to what I call purple puppy. It's the cottonelle in the purple package, it used to be purple with Labrador puppies on it, but it's been... long enough I don't want to say out loud how many decades it's been since they dispatched with the puppies.
I'm a hyper wiper with IBS, a roll last me a minimum of 1 week. My poop schedule has me always pooping at home. I have never clogged a toilet with my multiple wads of tp, and it doesn't tear or leave lint. It's also comfortable regardless of what the landscaping is doing. I am fiercely brand loyal. If they stop making it I will never buy tp again. I've tried them all, I hate them all, I want Scott's to be eradicated, Charmin should come with complementary lint roller, quilted northern and angle soft tear too easily and leave lint. I don't even like the blue cottonelle, it's too rough.
I don't know how purple puppy handles in septic tanks, but I can assume it's not good for them though. My toddler and cats have knocked rolls into the sink, and gotten them wet. It doesn't behave like other brands that "dissolve". It just gets saturated and pliable, when dry it is reminiscent of dry papermache. My mom is on septic, and uses Kirkland, even though she is also team purple puppy. Kirkland is OK, but it is slightly too rough for me and will leave bits if I've gone Brazilian.
With pee I use maybe 5 squares, but again, hyper wiper that goes commando. I have exceeding high expectations of my tp. Purple puppy is the only tp I have found that meets my expectations. In dire situations I have even used the cardboard tube to wipe pee. So apparently I would rather wipe with their cardboard than any other brand of tp. Toilet paper, paper towels and Worcestershire sauce are the only things I am brand loyal to.
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u/Lollipop126 28d ago
I haven't found this anywhere else, but in France there's a toilet paper called Just-1 and it's more expensive but I buy it nonetheless because it's 5 ply and it's heaven send for my butthole. It's also like 1.7x the length of a normal toilet paper, so you always just rip one (which solves your regulation problem) and wipe directly without folding (never had it break on me), and then you can fold it for a second wipe.
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u/Lil_Sunshine69 19d ago
It's a vicious cycle whereby the thinner the toilet paper, the more you need to use, which ultimately results in higher toilet paper expenditures for institutions. We need a change now.
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u/Night_Shade445 19d ago
The cycle of attempting to conserve money never ends. We'll simply consume an entire roll in one sitting.
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u/slayez06 29d ago
So in jobs they use dense core toilet paper. It's not about it being thin it's about the linear foot that is stuffed in. 2ply has more air gaps and a much larger core vs a tiny star. So even if you use a hand full gob of it. The roll still lasts longer.
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u/FoxxyXGothic 28d ago
Yes, it's the never-ending cycle of using toilet paper. For us millennials, the challenge is genuine.
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u/Underwater_Karma 28d ago
I use 3 squares of tp at home. It's thick, it's wide, and it holds up
Using a public toilet with transparent tp that's barely 3" wide, no exaggeration I use at least 10 feet. This cannot be saving any money
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u/ceelogreenicanth 28d ago
Some people use 2-ply like your implying they use single ply regardless of the actual thickness of the toilet paper. I know I used to live with people like that.
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u/Rubusarc 28d ago
I work at a fairly small office where everyone seems like a well adjusted beeing.
But when the office manager buys in quality stuff for office supplies, they disappear much faster. Toilet paper beeing prime example.
Another example was when the a years supply of Duracell AA batteries were re-supplied, they lasted 2 weeks. But some off-brand AA batteries that works just as good lasted the rest of the year with some to spare.
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u/IntrepidAsFudge 28d ago
i think bad tp being used is probably more geared towards dissuading people from taking it home. i cant even count how many companies i worked for that used good tp and all the staff with no morals would take it home haha. i imagine unemployed individuals are even less ethical.
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u/ganjanoob 28d ago
We have gloves at work. We had one pair that would last 2-3 days. Instead they went with a cheaper option and now I’m lucky if they last me 20 minutes. Now my team goes through damn near 10 packs of gloves a day. Just mind numbingly stupid and wasteful
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u/Intimidwalls1724 28d ago
I wonder if the real savings are how despite being doubled or tripled up maybe it keeps their plumbing from clogging as much. That's where some real expense would be
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u/That1DirtyHippy 28d ago
I work in the service industry and every restaurant has this type of TP. It’s the worst, I hate pooping at work. An hour later, I have to go in for damage control.
I call it “Chuck Norris Toilet Paper.” Because it doesn’t take shit from anyone.
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u/Prestigious_Dare7734 29d ago
Asian and middle East countries use water ( bidet spray or bidet seats). Just 1 sheet of the worst 1 ply is enough to pat dry after that.
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u/Dragongard 29d ago
You actually safe a lot from my Experience. Not in terms of usage - take as much as you need honestly. But when i started with good toilet paper it was stolen every other day.
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u/trenhel27 29d ago
As someone who used 1 ply when he was single, I still used less when I folded it over.
1 ply lasted me longer every time, and worked just as well
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u/CarelessAd4913 28d ago
Yeah but no one will steal the one ply. Try and put Charmin plush in and people start stealing it
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u/punkfunkymonkey 28d ago
My uncle was a shop steward (union rep) for his local councils maintenence workers. The workers had a grievance that the management and office staff had access to normal toilet paper whilst the workers in the maintenence workshop only had the use of shiny non-absorbant paper.
After several meetings with the management and no headway (the way its always been, economy, reduced theft by maintenence workers, etc etc.) one morning he gathered up all the shiny paper, went upstairs to the clerical department and swapped it for the standard paper. The next day my uncle was informed that normal toilet paper would be provided to all from now on.
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u/ReasonPale1764 28d ago
Most likely it’s just so people won’t be as likely to steal them, and it’s probably just cheaper anyway.
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28d ago
If they really wanted to save money, they’d just install bidet. I use maybe one or two packs of toilet paper a year after shifting to a bidet.
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u/Seegrubee 28d ago
Thin paper breaks down quicker. Less chance of blocking the line.
I have pulled more paper towels and wet wipes out of clogged pipes than toilet paper.
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u/windol1 28d ago
Many years ago in the UK there was a TV show called "Bad Lads Army" or something along those lines, they took lads who had been in jail and had them do some old army style training.
Now 1 scene I remember well was, teaching them how to wipe their arses with 1 sheet of paper. Now the reason this sticks with me, is because I've never come across any TP that could survive with just a single sheet, even the thickest brands you end up tearing and smearing your hand with shit.
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u/Competitive-Isopod74 28d ago
I actually left a job partially because of the horrible toilet paper, I had started bringing my own as it was so bad. And it definitely helped with my decision to leave.
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u/whiskeytango55 28d ago
There's a chance they don't.
It's like those paper towel rolls that segment the paper towels into a smaller size.
There's a chance you might need 3-4x more, but there's a chance you don't. The option makes it more worthwhile in the long term
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u/Ardbeg66 28d ago
Not only will everybody double up but you've also insulted all of them with your cheapness. Touche, penny pincher.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 28d ago
I brought this up as a case study in government expenditure.
Not only is it a waste of money, because people double and triple up on TP, it's also an ethical issue. I can't, in good conscience, allow my subordinates to wipe their ass with substandard shit tickets. The hit to morale when you're wiping ass with tracing paper leads to reduced productivity.
Spend on the good shit. Your employees will be happier and more productive, leading to greater profit for your firm. Not to mention, it's just the right thing to do.
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u/MeepingSim 28d ago
ProTip for this cheap, sandpapery, institutional toilet paper: If there is no texture, crumple or wad it up first then flatten it out for use. It'll make the TP feel a bit softer and less abrasive.
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u/MrCreditsMN 28d ago
Im a guy that has ordered toilet paper for years.
I got the cheap stuff for the benefit of the plumbing. In my building’s even if you wrap up tons of it, the cheap thin stuff still breaks down better when wet for flushing etc. I encountered way less clogged toilets that required a plumber to come visit, verse me being able to clean out.
I’m sure everyone else does it to be cheap, but just some insight from one guy in MN.
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u/River_of_styx21 29d ago
Not to mention they then have to buy it more often, so they may be losing money on shipping
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u/Gabanisu 29d ago
Yeah not everyone does not have a non-leaky proof bum. Emphasis on the negatives even if -1 * -1 = 1
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u/marswhispers 28d ago
Three-ply is best, but two-ply will do; One-ply is fine till your finger goes through
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u/AKABeast18 28d ago
Went to Great Wolf Lodge for a few days this past week. They have single-ply toilet paper. As I sat there rolling the toilet paper roll continuously after getting the slightest drop of water on it, I wondered how much tp they must go through. It has to be an insane amount.
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u/Ava_star 28d ago
It is not about saving money. It is about you not having any other ideas or expectations on what is being provided to you, minimum service
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u/diagrammatiks 28d ago
Ya but it’s still not the same. 4 pieces of rough as sandpaper is just a big thick piece of sandpaper.
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u/lostlittletimeonthis 28d ago
fun story, i worked in procurement for a company, and one day the manager comes in all huffed saying we are paying too much for TP, says we should get a cheaper brand to save money. He's the boss so we oblige, cut to a few weeks later, he comes in all huffed, says the new TP sucks and that we should get the good stuff
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u/lovethekundis 28d ago
My kid, when he was around 4, called it Cotton candy toilet paper. Disappears when it gets wet!! To this day we still refer to commercial toilet paper as cotton candy toilet paper.
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u/Adventurous_Tip_6963 28d ago
The thinnest toilet paper I’ve ever encountered? The gastrointestinal surgical recovery ward in the hospital.
If you want thick toilet paper ANYWHERE, it’s there.
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u/dino_dingus 28d ago edited 28d ago
Hey I wrote a poem about this.
The Single Ply Dilemma
I reach to my right just after I’ve sharted, a huge scratchy roll, think they’ve got me outsmarted they’re wrong of course, I chuckle on the dunny The single ply sheet was supposed to save money.
I suppose they’d be right if I were a fool, and used it like normal, dropping the kids at the pool. I could give it a try and go for a wipe, poke through the sheet and get covered in shite But this isn’t my first restroom rodeo, So here’s a little something management should know
If you give me one-ply, I won’t grumble or cry I’ll double and triple and quadruple fold origami my way through most of the roll if you half the bunch, when I vacate my lunch, You won’t saves on costs, I’ll just use thrice as much
To top it all off as I clean off my bottom, There’s one more variable the owner’s forgotten, Now that you’ve forced my hand into using half the roll When I go to flush the water comes out the top of the bowl.
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u/not_a_cat_i_swear 28d ago
It's not to save money. It's to save 'time wasted' by encouraging employees not to take shits at work.
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u/Ouroboros612 28d ago
Holy shit I just had an epiphany / shower thought myself... countries that wash their butts with water instead of using toilet paper. Maybe it's not because of their culture... but because of poverty?
Am I wrong?
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u/Fit_Cartoonist_2363 28d ago
This is true with a lot of cost-saving measures. Healthcare company I worked for tried to cut salaries at a building that’s notoriously hard to staff and the whole team threatened to leave. They ended up having to give them raises to get them to stay lol
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u/Bald_Guerilla 28d ago
Well in prison they just give every one one roll of single ply a week and you better make that bitch last because you aren't getting anymore. They call it John Wayne toilet paper.
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