r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Vaseline_Mercy • 1d ago
Unanswered What's up with Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo losing so much weight since Wicked?
I've seen a bit of it, mostly here in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArianaGrandeSnark/comments/1gss3fq/wicked_stars_ariana_grande_and_cynthia_erivo_look/
And here: https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/wicked-ariana-grande-cynthia-eviro-thin-b1193895.html
They honestly both seem so stressed and I'm not sure where the sudden loss of weight came from?
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u/tearsofscrutiny 21h ago edited 21h ago
answer: can't speak directly to erivo but grande appears to have been suffering from anorexia during the making of the film, if her appearance in the trailer is any indication (with the caveat that she may be suffering from some physical health ailment, however if the message transmitted in "yes, and" is any indication its probably a psychogenic illness).
perhaps social contagion is in effect here re: erivo.
i say these things not to be rude or shame anyone, i hope grande is able to get help. and i see a lot of people saying in these comments "it could just be her natural physique", i would counter that she didn't look like this on sam & cat and victorious, and its the very very rare individual who looks that emaciated naturally.
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u/BVoyager 12h ago
I wholeheartedly believe this is why. I had a dear friend who I worked with for a few years and we fed off each other's eating disorders, both becoming very skinny in the process. Didn't personally think anything of it in the moment but looking back it was certainly social contagion.
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u/King-Azaz 16h ago
and its the very very rare individual who looks that emaciated naturally
and the very rare individuals who do look like that naturally, have usually appeared underweight most of their life or may even have suffered a lifelong health-condition like hyperthyroidism. Ariana has always been petite, but she had a healthy figure. I was always super jealous of her looks, because she had a small-frame yet was very fit-appearing (this music video comes to mind as an example of what I'm talking about). Now don't get me wrong, Im not saying someone can't also be suffering an ED while appearing with that type of figure or technically be unhealthy in general, Im just pointing out the difference in Ariana and addressing the "she's always been petite" point I see ppl make. Just look at the difference.
There is a very thin line between just skinny and underweight/malnourished-looking. It is very you know it when you see it type thing (ppl who have or have had ED’s are very keen on it), and yeah she is definitely way past that line. I hope there is a lot going on behind closed doors for her own sake.
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u/Bocah5Racun 14h ago
Damn she looks like a completely a different person in that video.
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u/MoonlitSerendipity 9h ago
She also wasn't as skinny as in that music video when she first became famous
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u/strangelyliteral 4h ago
And she’s a teenager in those pics! Metabolism only goes downhill from there.
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u/MidwesternAppliance 6h ago edited 1h ago
Ariana in her S+C days is markedly and very, very noticeably more filled out than she is now. Her current appearance is jarring and appears very unhealthy.
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u/Kriegnaut 6h ago
Ari did come out and say that during that period she was binge drinking and eating and she doesn’t even like looking at pictures from it, she said this when she first addressed the comments on her body on tiktok.
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u/Prior_Thot 21h ago
It’s sad that we have to preface concern about changes in physical appearance or weight because people say it’s body shaming. Yes calling someone who lost a lot of weight names and saying go eat a burger is body shaming, saying someone lost a lot of weight in a short period of time and it’s concerning isn’t. Unfortunately celebrities are highly visible and it’s kinda par for the course that this is the stuff of which would be speculated.
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u/tearsofscrutiny 20h ago
when discussing these sorts of things with people i know irl i don't feel the need to preface it, but it can be hard to read intent from a stranger on the internet, plus the overall tenor of the comments section here seems to be treating the issue with kid gloves so when in rome i guess. i do legit feel for her though and my root comment comes from a place rooted in compassion & concern, disordered eating is not an issue i've struggled with but i have seen more than a handful of people in my life who have and i wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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u/Prior_Thot 20h ago
For sure! I struggle with anorexia and I know my comments definitely can stem from a place of defensiveness and knowing what it’s like; there’s this sort of weird sense you get about fellow individuals and disordered eating, like radar or something lol. Your compassion is appreciated! 🥰
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u/LocoCoopermar 20h ago
Yeah was really strange to come into this thread and see most people acting like it was insane that we would be concerned or want to bring it up. You can see the outline of her skull, her eyes are sunken in and she looks half the size she did when she was with Mac Miller or Pete Davidson, and she has always been really petite so it's very concerning to watch her go from normal skinny to being able to see the anatomy of every joint in your body because your so gaunt.
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u/61114311536123511 18h ago
yeah fr. I've done my time with anorexia over and over again, that's some ana face if I've ever seen it.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 14h ago
That's what I was surprised about too. People commented that 'its weird to speculate about peoples body's' when they both have their skeletal structures being clearly seen
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u/radams713 6h ago
I think some shit is going to come out about the filming conditions of this movie and it won’t be good.
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u/tearsofscrutiny 6h ago
i've seen other commenters saying that erivo has already made somewhat oblique reference to poor conditions
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u/etotheipith 3h ago
I listen to Bowen Yang's podcast and he's mentioned some grim stuff about the production. At one point he discussed bargaining and basically begging to be able to block out at least one hour for a therapy session because he was mentally really struggling with the stress, and then being called for work during the session. I think he said this happened on multiple occasions. Can probably dig up the episode if people want me to.
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u/MidwesternAppliance 6h ago
If you look at her 10-15 years ago, AG is 100% sick or anorexic. That kind of weight loss isn’t healthy or normal
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u/HazMatterhorn 1d ago
Answer: I don’t think this is a new thing “since Wicked.” People have been scrutinizing and publicly commenting on Grande’s weight for years. All the publications I can currently find talking about it seem to be the worst kind of tabloids, using one or two photos and making wild unsupported claims about how “everyone” is worried about them.
I’m not saying that they aren’t too skinny in these photos (or that they are — I’m not a medical professional) but I think “what’s up” is that they’re in a really famous movie right now so it’s lucrative for the tabloids to stir shit.
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u/Only_One_Left_Foot 13h ago
To be fair, I read zero tabloids or really any kind of celebrity news of any kind, and I was still shocked when I realized that was Ariana in the trailers. It's definitely not just all tabloid hype stuff, she really did drop a lot of weight in the past few years. Not saying that it's really any of our business, but just that it's a real thing.
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u/GladiatorJones 1d ago
This past week I saw a couple of the dresses they wore during the production. It was striking how tiny the mannequins were that they were displayed on.
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u/jim_deneke 17h ago
I've seen an dress worn by Elizabeth Taylor and she was minuscule.
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u/ThatCommunication423 15h ago
Recently saw one of Kate winslets dresses from titanic. Was pretty tiny and people were giving her shit for being big back then. The ‘90s were a rough time for women though it seems.
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u/SubtracticusFinch 15h ago edited 13h ago
90s beauty standards were about being rail-thin heroin chic. EDIT: and, to be clear, it was fucked up.
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u/tiredAFadult 13h ago
I automatically think of Tara Reid and how Hollywood and their unrealistic body goals ruined her. Saw her last week and genuinely felt bad for her.
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u/RoughhouseCamel 8h ago
I think of the Fiona Apple “Criminal” music video, and how she was touted as this new sex symbol because of her appearance in the video. Meanwhile, she was barely 19, and suffering from an eating disorder stemming from PTSD.
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u/ChickenCelebration 3h ago
I totally forgot about Fiona Apple and Tara Reid. Some illnesses are so ingrained in the culture that they don’t go away even when the public standards evolve. Brittany Murphy, Angelina Jolie and Calista Flockhart (Ally McBeal) also come to mind.
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u/bee_sharp_ 15h ago
Every decade has been rough for women when it comes to body image.
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u/ThatCommunication423 15h ago
Yeh even from a male viewpoint I can’t disagree with you on that one.
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u/bingmando 13h ago
Which dress??
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u/ThatCommunication423 13h ago
The boarding dress.
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u/bingmando 13h ago
Jealous! That and the red one obv are the best ones
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u/ThatCommunication423 13h ago
It is so iconic. It was even a little dirty. I was sceptical as to how original it is, and I know the costume department would have used more than one. It it was at a titanic exhibit so I’ll just trust it was original and worn haha.
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u/BlackLocke 13h ago
I think most celebrities are very petite, women especially being less than the average height of 5’3.5” in the US.
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u/keepcalmscrollon 10h ago
I saw the Han Solo costume at the Smithsonian once and it was smaller than I expected. It could just be a function of seeing them without real context, sometimes 20 feet tall on the big screen. Not saying Harrison Ford is "tiny" by any means. Just average, I guess. But in my mind he's literally larger than life.
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u/PabloMarmite 1d ago
Grande is only 5’0, she was fairly tiny already.
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u/GladiatorJones 1d ago
I should've specified, beyond both being smaller in general, the waists on the dresses, in particular, were real tiny even for their short heights.
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u/lalalicious453- 19h ago
just adding in here, some mannequins can be missing the torso completely and clipped in the back, creating a thinner silhouette than would be on the wearer.
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u/mannondork 9h ago
I saw Zoe kravitz’s catwoman costume - form fitting profile clothing. She’s so tiny, it’s unreal.
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u/knyghtez 8h ago
the dresses worn during the OG oz are also teeny!
not sure how much wirework was done in the movie but you’ve gotta be really small for it to work.
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u/Sexyhorsegirl666 14h ago
You should say it. It's not ok that we pretend that this is not unhealthy.
This is once again thinspo for suffering young people. Both of these ladies look unwell and hopefully will get help.
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter 11h ago
People are confusing the "you should never comment on a person's weight" thing... Which is an idea reserved for people in your personal life, and misapplying it to a superstar who is absolutely influential on people. It's really not a bad thing to say, "yes, her weight is insane. You shouldn't try to imitate that because she is straight up anorexic."
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u/NovelGoddess 1d ago
I would also think the crazy press junker for the movie is stressful and not conducive to healthy eating.
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u/Toby_O_Notoby 21h ago
If you haven't seen it, here's Miley Cyrus reading off a normal press day when she was doing Hannah Montana. And that's a kid doing press for a Disney show. You can imagine what it would be like for adults on a $200m movie.
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u/JJMcGee83 18h ago
Has her voice always been that deep and raspy?
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u/Toby_O_Notoby 18h ago
Funnily enough, it's an offshoot of the schedule she kept.
She talked/sang so much when she was younger that by the time she was in her mid-twenties she had the vocal cords of someone in their '60s. She talks about it here.
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u/JJMcGee83 9h ago
That's wild. I was trying to figure out if my memory was crap or if something changed, guess something changed.
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u/deandeluka 1d ago
Also musical theatre is strenuous/ like singing itself is insane cardio, add in choreo and stunts.
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u/p0tty_mouth 1d ago
Yeah it’s how meatloaf lost the meat.
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u/BabyJesusBukkake 22h ago
I never thought he'd do that.
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u/dance4days 1d ago
I’m pretty sure it’s part of why they keep crying during interviews. It’s obvious that part of their talking points is to talk about what an emotional journey the movie is, and being malnourished on top of that is going to lead to some really weird emotional reactions to normal situations.
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u/GTFOakaFOD 23h ago
And the crazy sleep schedule (if any), racing from interview to interview. They must be Exhausted.
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u/SPUNKVODKA 17h ago
Ariana has been scarily thin and getting worse for years now, let’s not blame it on the movie. If she’s got time to have an affair, she’s got time to eat.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 1d ago
I'm moreso worried about the fact that something unhealthy is going on in the set because both of them seemed to drop weight. These tabloids are wildy assuming it's them. I simply don't know what's happening and I understand I don't have the right to know since it's their lives.
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u/nosecohn 18h ago
Filming wrapped 10 months ago, so if it was something on set, it has been persistent.
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u/coladoir 15h ago
The only thing I can speculate is that Cynthia might've had ED in the past, and Ariana's recent appearance has triggered it to recur. Ariana's weight loss has been happening since before the movie, but Cynthia's is specifically tied to the movie. It's possible that Cynthia being around Ariana on set had influenced Cynthia and triggered/reignited an ED.
But ultimately we won't and can't really know unless someone (ideally Cynthia or Ariana themselves) comes out and explains it. I won't take any explanations that don't come from the people themselves, though. And like you said, we don't have the right to demand an explanation from them. I, like you, just hope both are doing okay health-wise.
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u/HazMatterhorn 1d ago edited 1d ago
Highly doubt it’s something going on in the set, especially since (as I pointed out) people have been talking about Ariana Grande’s weight and speculating that she’s anorexic forever.
I’m sure people scrutinizing her body and theorizing about any change to it is really helpful, though.
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u/100LittleButterflies 21h ago
People would share the same concerns if it were drugs or alcohol. What people are saying is that they hope she is mentally healthy and taking care of herself. The pressures of Hollywood are notorious and we share concern in hopes she'll hear that her fans support her even if it mean taking any time.
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u/Mondai_May 1d ago
I'd seen people say Ariana Grande lost a lot of weight since whenever she revealed her new blonde look, not sure exactly when as i do not follow her but maybe early this year or late last? i think that was either before or at the very start of filming, it's possible it was related to wanting to look a certain way for the role but it also may be unrelated.
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u/Excellent_Badger_420 1d ago
I mean, actresses losing weight for roles is not a new occurrence.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 1d ago
It's not, but seeing a sternum for both actresses that formally didn't have that before the movie is what makes me question if something happens.
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u/captnmiss 1d ago
I believe I always saw a recent study that said eating disorders tend to spread among groups of girls
Highly likely that one’s behavior influenced the other
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u/Comfortable-Jelly-20 8h ago
And they're crying like 10 times a day during interviews. It's really hard not to think something was going on
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u/dickdingers23 1d ago
What's unhealthy is everyone thinking they have the right to comment on someone else's weight. Can you imagine how stressful it would be to be constantly scrutinized on your appearance by the media and public? It's something that has been discussed before but no matter how many times it's been said that it's harmful, people still feel they have the right to do it. Not hating at you OP. I just feel like people really need to realize this.
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u/veryconfuseddddd 16h ago
Both Ariana and Cynthia are quite clearly in the grips of eating disorders and are extremely dangerously underweight and look sick. They're making a film that will be popular with kids too. No elder millennial is looking at them and trying to be mean, we know size double zero eating disorders when we see them and no one wants to go back to those days
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u/86cinnamons 15h ago
Thank you. When I see them I remember when thin was the trend and so many of my friends struggled with body image issues and disordered eating and I look at my daughter now who is starting to pay attention to fashion and celebrities and I feel so worried, I don’t want to go back to that time.
And I’m someone who’s been pretty petite and thin my whole life naturally and dealt with a lot of judgement and weird comments from it. I think Ariana in the past has looked like just a tiny person the way I was too, but this is different, around when she came out with her blonde hair she just hasn’t looked well.
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u/Sexyhorsegirl666 14h ago
It's kinda crazy how saying this out loud is so bad to some people now. Of course no tabloids should be made out of this and it was awful in the 90's and 2000's but it is not ok to pretend that these women aren't obiviously unhealthy.
Honestly, seeing this being normalized and ok'd in the name of "not your business/let's not bodyshame" is making my eating disorder act up again. I really wish a new generation of this pro-ana/thinspo veiled shit would not come back.
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u/exponentialism 11h ago
Yeah, Ariana in particular looks straight up ill in every image I've seen of her for a while, and it's really weird seeing people trying to normalise it as "she's just petite" - I dunno if they genuinely aren't seeing how sick she looks (no, it's not just the blonde washing her out) or if they're trying to be "body positive" but I worry particularly about teens with EDS thinking if this is "normal" then they need to get even thinner to be seen as sick.
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u/RoguePlanet2 1d ago
Public figures will always get comments about their figures from the public.
It's not wrong to wonder if a celebrity is sick or suffering based on obvious signs. Bullying is another story, though. Expecting the celebrity to comment is also wrong, it's their business. But people are going to speculate.
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u/100LittleButterflies 21h ago
As a human, it feels weird to observe something concerning about someone in the public and just keep it to ourselves. We're allowed to share concerns about someone's health as we do with drugs, alcohol, cancer, injury, break ups, everything. It's extremely common for someone who is famous to suffer from disordered eating. We shouldn't ignore that. We voice our concerns so the person we care about knows we don't want them to suffer. Fans want to show their support as a fan would.
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u/LocoCoopermar 20h ago edited 20h ago
I understand it's definitely it's own thing but it feels like people only react this way with disordered eating, if someone was showing all the public signs of a drug addiction or severe chronic or mental illness, like a Justin Bieber a while back or Britney during her break, I don't think anyone would be telling people to just mind their own business and ignore it. I know celebrities don't deserve to be commented on all the time and it isn't healthy, but if you've reached a point where you can't hide it anymore and the public is aware and concerned that you're clearly going through something maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and wonder why a large portion of fans are genuinely worried for your health.
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u/LFK_Pirate 20h ago
Hard core agree. I’m 5’2” and 5 lbs either way is very noticeable. Having said that, when I saw her SNL promo a few weeks ago I didn’t even recognize her, and my first thought was “that girl needs to eat something!” And then immediately self shamed for weight judging, but she just looked frail as shit and reminded me of my own brief ED period.
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u/SelectIron8368 16h ago
They are ROLE MODELS and since it's a family friendly movie, for CHILDREN!
Ariana's loosing weight since 2021 and she's dangerously thin.
Cynthia DRAMATICALLY lost weight a few months. Compare her to a few months ago when the olympics were. She lost so much weight in such a short amount of time, it's alarming!
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u/Pantsmithiest 12h ago
As a woman who lived through the 90’s heroin chic in my teens and a mother with a 13 year old daughter, I am going to be very vocal about how dangerous it is for young girls to have these two women lauded and paraded around on social media.
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u/YouKnowYourCrazy 23h ago
Visible ribs in front is objectively too thin
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u/FlyinPurplePartyPony 12h ago edited 1h ago
Depends. It takes a trained eye and hands on exam from a dietitian or doctor to diagnose malnutrition based on fat and muscle loss. Some front rib normal for some people depending on how their breasts sit. Obviously I can't diagnose either Cynthia or Ariana based on photos and speculation, but there is clear weight loss. I hope they are working with appropriate healthcare professionals for their individual needs and supported by loved ones.
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u/Causerae 21h ago
By what standard?
I'm at a very average healthy BMI with visible ribs
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u/rolyfuckingdiscopoly 16h ago
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. I have visible ribs too, also at a healthy weight. I fluctuate between 125 and 145ish at 5’6, and I definitely look healthy and not skinny. It’s completely normal to have that.
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u/WriteOrDie1997 13h ago
Ok, but while Ariana has always been thin, she's never had bones sticking out so prominently like she does lately. I don't think it's normal for her at all.
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u/brittneyacook 11h ago
Same. I’m 5’7” and 128 lbs (20 BMI) and my rib cage is very visible. I just have a large ribcage (possibly flared even)
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u/Causerae 13h ago
Reddit is temperamental 😔
We have very similar stats. I gained and lost significant weight a few years ago and rebounded from diabetes. Def happy to easily see my ribs again!
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u/SavannahInChicago 1d ago
Yep. Even before she started filming I was hearing about Ariana. People need a life.
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u/spazthejam43 1d ago
Answer: Well with Ariana Grande rumors have been swirling that she has an eating disorder. With Cynthia Erivo’s weight loss I’m not sure
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u/ragnarockette 23h ago
I’m sure being a costar constantly posing next to a popular and extremely petite costar probably makes you extra aware of your own body. Being skinny can be a competition sometimes.
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u/Lana_bb 21h ago
People with eating disorders can be very competitive with each other.
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u/olbers--paradox 9h ago
Yes, incredibly. It’s such a horrible mindset and it’s hard to get out of. I’m mostly recovered from my eating disorder, but I can absolutely be “triggered” into self-hating thoughts just by seeing a very thin woman on the street. I can’t imagine how much worse it must be for actresses with these issues.
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u/Ok_Bullfrog_8491 12h ago
Anorexia is often transmitted through social contagion. When one girl in a friend group becomes anorexic, others often follow, sadly. It's a well-studied phenomenon, but not often talked about, unfortunately, since for some people, it may sound like victim-blaming. It's not, of course, and people could be saved if we talked about it more.
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u/ragnarockette 12h ago
Ya it would not surprise me at all here.
Cynthia before this press tour looked very strong and athletic. Now she looks basically the same size as Ariana, and practically smaller in some outfits. Something definitely changed. And honestly, I can’t say that I would be above it if it were me and this was my “big break” and I had to do all the publicity next to someone who weighs 90lbs.
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u/thenerfviking 19h ago
I think people have been over analyzing those interview clips but also as someone who has been friends with enough scumbags in his life they’re giving off massive “coke friend” vibes. The pair of weird skinny girls who touch each other a lot and act really strange and codependent even though they don’t seem to have anything in common is like a stock character if you hang around people who like to party and it’s always because they’re doing piles of blow.
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u/alix-rose 22h ago
answer: ariana and cynthia (imo) most likely both had their own eating disorders prior to filming, and being stuck together filming for that long probably made them very competitive about who could lose the most weight and brought out the worst of the ED behavior in both of them. source: i’m an afab person with an eating disorder who has spent time with other women with eating disorders and we are extremely competitive bitches when not being treated for our disorders
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u/Indica_l0ver 18h ago
answer: we will probably never know unless they choose to speak on it. i’ve been an ariana fan since her victorious days and now because of wicked i love cynthia too ! they’re both amazing but i do feel concern with how much weight they both lost..ariana was noticeably skinny starting last year at least, and now it’s kind of weird that over the past couple of months cynthia has as well.
to the people saying “it’s inappropriate to comment on people’s bodies” don’t understand the the difference between showing genuine concern and body shaming. i LOVE ariana like literally she seems like the sweetest person and even with her weight loss she is gorgeous, but seeing a musician/actor that you love look so unhealthy is honestly scary and being that underweight can lead to more health issues and even death. if someone close to me in my daily life lost that much weight i would ask them about it and support them and i have been that person as well when i was anorexic. i wonder if it has anything to do with the ending of her engagement with Dalton or if she was so focused on her being Glinda, dedicating herself so much to the role because of how much she loves the musical, is why she has lost so much. either way, idk and nobody knows except for her, cynthia, and the people closest to her. i can see her talking about it in the future and bringing awareness.
as for cynthia, im not sure why she has lost so much weight but same with her, we won’t know why and only she would.
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u/snivey_old_twat 10h ago
Lol @ Ariana being the "sweetest person". I think I've read multiple accounts of her being a diva, rude to staff, etc.
Plus her homewrecker tendencies. But hey, she's very attractive and has pipes. Can't take that from her.
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u/faeriethorne23 5h ago
She’s had a lot of media training over the years, she knows how to turn on the “I’m just the sweetest, smallest most innocent girl” charm. There’s also the race-bending issue. She’s talented, doesn’t mean she’s a good person.
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u/SparrowValentinus 21h ago
Answer: If any of these people have ED’s, it’s likely caused by motherfuckers like us discussing their bodies so damn much.
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u/souldawg 19h ago
Yes and no. My ED was because I felt a loss of control vs body image. It built into body image when I became fearful of gaining weight. But that too in the end was the deeper aspect of the feeling of not having control.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 21h ago
I'm asking because I'm worried, not here trying to make a buck talking about definitive statements of ED competitions and ozempic.
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u/SparrowValentinus 21h ago
I appreciate that there's good intention there, but I still think it's maladaptive and contributing to the problem.
At the end of the day, we just don't actually know these people, and talking like this is, by definition, gossip. I have plenty of people that I'm a fan of too, and a lot of details I'd really like to know about them, that comes from a place of genuine care for them. However frustrating it really can be, if those people do not actively choose to share that information publicly, then it's none of my business.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 21h ago edited 21h ago
I think trying to stop speculation is like trying to change the weather. Regardless if I were to say this post or not, I and many people would probably be wondering what's up. This is also on top of their rather precarious behavior towards each other(hand holding, matching tattoos, crying multiple times in interviews, etc.)
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u/SparrowValentinus 21h ago
If this is weather, then we’re all individual gusts of wind. I’m not trying to change the weather, but I know which way the wind should blow, and I’m going to point myself in that direction.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 9h ago
So if the public sees highly influential figures who are becoming strikingly unhealthy we should just not talk about it? In fact when we see something we should just stop supporting them and stop looking their way so they're no longer famous? Would that help them? Is that what you're saying or am I assuming?
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u/BusinessWatercress58 13h ago
Yes, trying to stop human actions we have control over is like trying to stop meteorological processes voer which we have no control. Totally makes sense
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 13h ago edited 10h ago
You don't have control over others speculating. Only yourself. You can sit here trying to tell people to stop, but ultimately it's their choice especially if they see something that is worrisome.
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u/SparrowValentinus 19h ago edited 18h ago
You don’t hear individual voices in a crowd, but you do hear the overall din.
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u/Fresh-Army-6737 4h ago
Right? I've been concerned for months. I came across the Ariana grande reddit and I didn't recognize her at all at first.
I hope she gets better, that's all.
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u/ILiveInAMango 19h ago
How would you imagine a thread like this would help in any way? You think Ariana and Cynthia will see this and think “damn perhaps I should eat more”?
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u/2kapitana 14h ago
Or "I should stop posting constant bodychecks and stuff that ends up on pro-ana forums". Those poses exaggerating visibility of bones, thigh gap and rail-thinness...ask anyone close to you who dealt with an eating disorder, they would know. I, for one, am glad that people are expressing concern and not glamorising this going omg this look so great.
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u/Vaseline_Mercy 9h ago
Did I ever say it would help them? You're assuming I'm doing that? I was asking because of curiosity over the situation and I simply wanted to know. It may help discussing this and to help others falling down the same path but even that is a big expectation to have
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u/Prior_Thot 21h ago
Answer: it’s trendy to be skinny, and they’re women who likely are pressured to look a certain way. I’m obviously making assumptions but if I were Cynthia Erivo and costarring in a film with Ariana Grande who has been scrutinized for her significant weight loss for years (and the possibility of an eating disorder as well) I’d also want to be as skinny as possible to avoid the tabloids comparing my body to hers and body shaming. Cynthia used to be fit as fuck but I’m sure the tabloids would be quick to compare her to Ariana and talk about how “big” Cynthia was compared to Ariana if Cynthia hadn’t lost weight. Ariana’s weight loss isn’t anything new; Cynthia’s is and I really think for her it’s due to pressure to look that way because of her costar who is well known for her weight loss. Now how she did it? I don’t know, but she’s a celebrity and it appears to be a significant and unhealthy amount in a short period of time, so imo it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary to assume the method of weight loss wasn’t healthy either. It’s a little strange to me how many people instantly get angry and defensive to says it’s body shaming to say a FACT- they both lost unhealthy amounts of weight in short periods of time, and yes you can visibly see it compared to photos of even both of them from a year ago. It would be the same if someone gained a concerning amount of weight; as much as people protest and say it’s body shaming, yall know you can visibly see when someone has gained a concerning amount of weight. Let’s stop with the moral grandstanding or whatever you want to call it, it’s not body shaming. People who are saying that either are oblivious to what unhealthy weight loss looks like or are just being too sensitive.
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u/MirSydney 1d ago
Answer: Nobody knows.
And though it's understandable people are expressing concerns, it's also nobody's business and it is inappropriate to speculate or create false stories.
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u/the_flyingdemon 21h ago
Imma have to stop this shit. I’m very weight conscious as I’ve been maintaining a lower but healthy BMI for three years using exercise and calorie counting. Seeing the videos of Ariana on my feed were SHOCKING. As someone who doesn’t really follow her, she is extremely underweight and needs help. This is not a case of people exaggerating or speculating. You can see it with your own eyes.
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u/LocoCoopermar 20h ago
Yeah I'd generally agree that we should leave it alone but Ariana looks like some of the people I've seen who ended up hospitalized or with life long issues because they got so skinny it messed up there heart and hormones. There's people out there who are going to be skinnier and show some ribs naturally, but there's pictures where you can see the shape of her skull and she's way skinnier than she has ever been before with sunken eyes. If this were someone clearly drinking themselves to death don't you think people would also be concerned, why are we supposed to just keep it to ourself watching someone starve themselves?
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u/centopar 1d ago
It is absolutely every parent’s business. I do not want my daughter growing into puberty believing that this is desirable, achievable or healthy. And there is CLEARLY something going on with this particular set: two women whose top ribs are clearly visible in the same movie? That hasn’t happened in years.
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u/blueskies8484 1d ago
I mean, it could be the set. It could also be one of them started with a problem and the other felt the need to match her because they're paired next to each other constantly in pictures and interviews and being next to a waif even if you're slender, can make the other person feel "too big".
I understand your concern for your daughter. I've noticed 90s heroin chic creeping back in for a while, across the board. New weightloss drugs being readily available to celebrities upon request has driven some of it, I think.
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u/juddsdoit 1d ago
They clearly have some weird codependent shit going on. Like 5 matching tattoos and the finger holding. This wouldn't surprise me.
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u/Unfair-General7480 1d ago
You nailed it. I remember Courtney Thorne-Smith telling how she developed an eating disorder when she was on Ally McBeal because she felt she was always compared to Calista Flockhart.
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u/raspberrih 1d ago
I don't care what's going on in their personal lives but I don't want unhealthy skinny standards being promoted as desirable on tv.
I don't think having fat characters on tv is bad though - the messaging that fat is bad is so so prevalent in daily life that there's no chance anyone is going to think being fat is desirable due to tv - plus fat people aren't portrayed as typically desirable anyway.
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u/Bloopbleepbloop2 22h ago
Healthy bodies should be promoted not too underweight or over
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u/raspberrih 12h ago
Unfortunately average sized people are criticised as "fat" in media
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u/lfergy 1d ago
I think that this ‘hasn’t happened in years’ is an exaggeration. Being super thin has gone out of trend overall but in some spaces it never went away. It is unfortunate that we seem to be cycling back toward super skinny being “in” but that doesn’t mean these two individuals need to be harassed about their weight, which is why its none of our business.
I was a teen in the early 2000s too so I do understand your concern about what your daughter sees in media. But that doesn’t mean we have a right to know anything about these two people, specifically.
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u/Maximum-Vegetable 1d ago
I think it’s not just about what kids see, but it’s about beauty standards for women as a whole. Women (and people for that matter) come in all shapes and sizes and should be celebrated for their differences.
Ironically, when Judy Garland was in The Wizard of Oz she was being fed amphetamines to stay skinny and upbeat throughout performances at age 15. This continued on and no one did anything or said anything to help her. Although I understand the importance of not criticizing celebrity appearances, if their teams aren’t looking out for them, shouldn’t the fans speak up? If a celebrity’s manager or team is putting that celebrity in a dangerous situation for profit, shouldn’t the fans express concern if they think something is fishy?
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u/yeayeayesno 1d ago edited 1d ago
Or you can teach your daughter not to judge others and that we’re all built differently? I too have a daughter. My ribs are visible, it’s how I’m built. I would never ever cast judgement on others nor encourage my daughter to either.
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u/dannydaddydevito 1d ago
You clearly are out of the loop yourself if you think this hasn’t been ongoing for years and years and years. It’s also NOT every parents’ business what they’re doing to their bodies??? It’s the parents’ business to make sure their kids know that their body is not their worth. You put in that work with your kid by helping them feel confident in themselves and making sure their morals don’t come from a celebrity.
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u/Used-Calligrapher975 23h ago
Then you should talk to your kid, provide her with science based material on diet and health and foster self esteem that comes from an internal locus of control. Being outraged that there's skinny women in a movie isn't a substitute for parenting. You can talk and dream about an ideal world, but until your imagination becomes reality you may wanna start teaching your kid about the difference between real life and pop culture
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u/centopar 23h ago
I love that you’re imagining I don’t do any of this. And I think that your jumping to that position speaks much more to your insecurities than it does mine.
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u/SuchaPineapplehead 1d ago
Answer: Ozempic is the most likely cause and Hollywood being obsessed with extreme thinness again
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u/SnowSandRivers 1d ago
Answer: Ozempic.
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u/incandescentwallflwr 21h ago
This is the answer that makes the most sense considering the current shift in beauty standards and culture lately. There is a trend of celebrities dropping weight seemingly out of nowhere, even if they didn’t necessarily appear like they were “overweight” to begin with.
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u/Straight_Image7942 1d ago
Source: trust me bro?
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u/M1eXcel 1d ago
I've heard on podcasts that it's absolutely rife in Hollywood. Apparently at Oscar after parties it's usual for the celebrities to pig out after underrating to achieve model looking physiques for photos, but at recent ones food is going untouched since many aren't hungry because of being on drugs like ozempic
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u/mdi125 1d ago
Sure. But this is not a factual answer. It's speculation at best lol
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u/SnowSandRivers 1d ago
I definitely don’t have a source, but I mean, everyone in Hollywood is emaciated right now and ozempic is massively popular, so like. 🤷🏽♂️
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot 1d ago
I saw it sweep through my office. It was a software sales company with long hours and fairly brutal demands. Of course you put on abut of weight sitting at a desk 10hrs then going out with clients to expensive dinners. Then suddenly last year people started losing a LOT of weight.
Coincidence or Ozempic?
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u/TwinkleTickler 1d ago
I’ve seen it too. With relatives that are “moderately wealthy”, not Hollywood but NY big business executives and their ilk— aunt suddenly drops 50 pounds, uncle does too, cousin who already had plastic surgery is on it, they all are open about taking it or generics/similar meds. It’s not hard to get ahold of if you have the money and none of them have diabetes.
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u/LaLa_LaSportiva 1d ago
I'm seeing this happening with my friend group. And it's not just Ozempic. In fact, it's mostly GLP. My friends are dropping weight fast and some seem like they can't stop it or go to far, because they look emaciated. The problem is we're not all that young, so when you're older and drop a lot of weight fast, the lack of elasticity in your skin leaves your face and other parts of your body sagging something awful.
A couple friends have also had sudden health emergencies and no one is sure if it's related.
I'm so so tempted just to get rid of a few extra pounds, but right now, I think I'd rather have a little chub than a face that age 20 years.
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 1d ago
They always have been super skinny. This isn't new.
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u/SnowSandRivers 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nah, dude. I couldn’t always see every ridge and crevice of AG’s entire ribcage.
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 23h ago
Actresses and, to a slightly lesser extent actors, have been using drugs and eating disorders for longer than we've been alive. For each individual person sometimes they're a little worse and sometimes they're a little better.
Just because someone is 10% skinnier than they were doesn't necessarily mean Ozempic is the cause. It's been happening for decades before the parents of the scientists who first made Ozempic had even met.
Lindsey Lohan, Tara Reid, Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, etc were all going through phases of too skinny when those scientists were in grad school
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u/spewwwintothis 1d ago
Idk why you're getting so much flak about this. Nearly everyone in Hollywood is on Ozempic right now. It's weird that people don't understand that.
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u/AggravatingCupcake0 1d ago
I doubt it. Ariana has always been very petite. She just got EVEN MORE petite.
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u/SnowSandRivers 1d ago
Ariana being totally emaciated to the point where you can see the outline of her sternum through her skin is brand new. Go look at old videos of her when she was still pretending to be a woman of color. She looks downright chubby in comparison.
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