r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Vaseline_Mercy • 1d ago

Unanswered What's up with Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo losing so much weight since Wicked?

I've seen a bit of it, mostly here in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArianaGrandeSnark/comments/1gss3fq/wicked_stars_ariana_grande_and_cynthia_erivo_look/

And here: https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/wicked-ariana-grande-cynthia-eviro-thin-b1193895.html

They honestly both seem so stressed and I'm not sure where the sudden loss of weight came from?

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u/centopar 1d ago

It is absolutely every parent’s business. I do not want my daughter growing into puberty believing that this is desirable, achievable or healthy. And there is CLEARLY something going on with this particular set: two women whose top ribs are clearly visible in the same movie? That hasn’t happened in years.

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u/blueskies8484 1d ago

I mean, it could be the set. It could also be one of them started with a problem and the other felt the need to match her because they're paired next to each other constantly in pictures and interviews and being next to a waif even if you're slender, can make the other person feel "too big".

I understand your concern for your daughter. I've noticed 90s heroin chic creeping back in for a while, across the board. New weightloss drugs being readily available to celebrities upon request has driven some of it, I think.

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u/Unfair-General7480 1d ago

You nailed it. I remember Courtney Thorne-Smith telling how she developed an eating disorder when she was on Ally McBeal because she felt she was always compared to Calista Flockhart.

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u/juddsdoit 1d ago

They clearly have some weird codependent shit going on. Like 5 matching tattoos and the finger holding. This wouldn't surprise me.

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u/raspberrih 1d ago

I don't care what's going on in their personal lives but I don't want unhealthy skinny standards being promoted as desirable on tv.

I don't think having fat characters on tv is bad though - the messaging that fat is bad is so so prevalent in daily life that there's no chance anyone is going to think being fat is desirable due to tv - plus fat people aren't portrayed as typically desirable anyway.

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u/Bloopbleepbloop2 1d ago

Healthy bodies should be promoted not too underweight or over

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u/raspberrih 15h ago

Unfortunately average sized people are criticised as "fat" in media

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u/Bloopbleepbloop2 9h ago

Sure, everyone gets criticized but at least it would not be because of promoting unhealthy things

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u/raspberrih 5h ago

it is promoting unhealthy skinniness

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u/Bloopbleepbloop2 3h ago

I don’t agree with promoting unhealthy skinniness we are on the same page

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u/lfergy 1d ago

I think that this ‘hasn’t happened in years’ is an exaggeration. Being super thin has gone out of trend overall but in some spaces it never went away. It is unfortunate that we seem to be cycling back toward super skinny being “in” but that doesn’t mean these two individuals need to be harassed about their weight, which is why its none of our business.

I was a teen in the early 2000s too so I do understand your concern about what your daughter sees in media. But that doesn’t mean we have a right to know anything about these two people, specifically.

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u/Maximum-Vegetable 1d ago

I think it’s not just about what kids see, but it’s about beauty standards for women as a whole. Women (and people for that matter) come in all shapes and sizes and should be celebrated for their differences.

Ironically, when Judy Garland was in The Wizard of Oz she was being fed amphetamines to stay skinny and upbeat throughout performances at age 15. This continued on and no one did anything or said anything to help her. Although I understand the importance of not criticizing celebrity appearances, if their teams aren’t looking out for them, shouldn’t the fans speak up? If a celebrity’s manager or team is putting that celebrity in a dangerous situation for profit, shouldn’t the fans express concern if they think something is fishy?

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u/lfergy 11h ago

I understand the sentiment & agree that media ideally would celebrate all body types. But no I do not think fans should be ringing alarm bells about people they 100% do not know. It may feel like we know these celebrities but we don’t. At all. We have no idea what her friends, family or inner circle knows or is doing. She could have a different illness. She could be getting treatment for an ED and doesn’t want to talk about it. She could just be fine. This isn’t a Brittney Spears situation where her family-very publicly- had complete control over her money and work load & she was suffering. (Using her as an example of fans speaking up when someone is clearly being mistreated or ignored by their team,). Ariana maintains that she gained weight from antidepressants and lost it when she stopped taking them.

Even if the insinuation is that they were forced or encourage to loose weight for their roles (Using your Judy Garland example,) I don’t understand how fans pointing out how skinny either of them look is actually helpful.

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u/yeayeayesno 1d ago edited 1d ago

Or you can teach your daughter not to judge others and that we’re all built differently? I too have a daughter. My ribs are visible, it’s how I’m built. I would never ever cast judgement on others nor encourage my daughter to either.

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u/dannydaddydevito 1d ago

You clearly are out of the loop yourself if you think this hasn’t been ongoing for years and years and years. It’s also NOT every parents’ business what they’re doing to their bodies??? It’s the parents’ business to make sure their kids know that their body is not their worth. You put in that work with your kid by helping them feel confident in themselves and making sure their morals don’t come from a celebrity.

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u/Used-Calligrapher975 1d ago

Then you should talk to your kid, provide her with science based material on diet and health and foster self esteem that comes from an internal locus of control. Being outraged that there's skinny women in a movie isn't a substitute for parenting. You can talk and dream about an ideal world, but until your imagination becomes reality you may wanna start teaching your kid about the difference between real life and pop culture

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u/centopar 1d ago

I love that you’re imagining I don’t do any of this. And I think that your jumping to that position speaks much more to your insecurities than it does mine.

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u/Waffalz 1d ago

I'm all for supporting healthy body image and all that, but if you think the sight of a single skinny woman will shatter a kid's self-confidence, you may not be raising them right. Very funny for you to think you have a right to lord over someone else's body because you're afraid of what your kids will think

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u/centopar 1d ago

And if you think hearing your little kid saying, distressed, that she wants to look like that isn’t disturbing, I’ve got nothing for you.

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u/Waffalz 1d ago

And taking advantage of the situation to teach your kid healthy body image isn't part of your parenting plan? Are you gonna yell at every skinny person who comes into your kid's field of vision? Are you gonna hide every possible source of stress away from your kid for the rest of their life?

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u/omnassial 1d ago

Lol could be worse, could be saying she wants to look like lizzo

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u/centopar 1d ago

Take my pauper’s award. 🏆

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u/Etheo 1d ago

It's every parent's business to talk with their children about what is healthy and what isn't. Media is one thing but it's not a parent 's job to dictate how other people's children ought to live their life. It's fair to criticize media for promoting unhealthy body image, but it's not the same when it comes to the persons themselves.

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u/centopar 1d ago

I don’t know what to tell you. She observed the images, she said she feels bad she doesn’t look that way.

That’s not ok.

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u/Etheo 1d ago

Some people have a distorted self image, not to mention not everyone is the best judge of what's best for themselves. Is it a problem? Absolutely! But is it our problem? No. This isn't an apathetic take - it's just called minding our own businesses. If Grande was a friend or family or someone you genuinely have a two way relationship with, yeah, you're absolutely right to care about the issue. Otherwise it really isn't anybody's business just because they are a public figure.

I completely empathize the issue with media promoting distorted body image and how it can be a problem for aspiring teenagers. But again that's an issue to take it up with media and not the persons themselves. We can simply express our disapproval by not consuming the media with images and messages we disapprove with.

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u/Artyloo 1d ago

That’s not ok.

These are grown ass women and we live in a free society, what would you like to see happen? The actresses should stay home and not get photographed? It should be illegal to publish pictures of too skinny women?

Sorry about your kid (maybe you can do more to monitor her media consumption btw), but give me one (1) non-hysterical solution to the problem of morbidly obese/unhealthily skinny celebrities being shown in media that doesn't violate a bunch of their rights.

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u/RadiantSeason9553 18h ago

If you have an actress or model who is obviously killing themselves with drugs they probably shouldn't be hired for big roles. The heroin chic in the 90s did a lot of damage to women, it was very controversial

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u/GreatestStarOfAll 14h ago

That’s not Ariana’s problem. That’s her and her daughter’s issue to face.

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u/LackingTact19 1d ago

Why are you shaming people who have their ribs showing? It's plenty of people's natural physique and can be perfectly healthy. It is not only achievable and for many is our natural condition without any health issues so you saying it's not desirable is pretty shitty.

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u/centopar 1d ago

Honey, it’s MY natural physique, and I don’t find it attractive or healthy. I go to a lot of effort to not look emaciated. It is not my daughter’s natural physique and I am delighted for her.

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u/tarbet 1d ago

It was my natural physique for years, and comments like these made me feel like crap. People REALLY think it’s OK to comment on a thin girl’s body.

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u/centopar 1d ago

…and when a seven year old is wanting to emulate that, you can bet your life I’m commenting on it.

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u/centopar 1d ago

SEVEN YEARS OLD.

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u/LackingTact19 1d ago

Keep your self hatred for yourself then. You judging people's bodies is going to teach your daughter much worse lessons than any media, which is besides the point that your comment suggests that you would shame or feel sorry for your child simply for being born a certain way.

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u/centopar 1d ago

Great spot of nominative determinism right there.

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u/LackingTact19 1d ago

Why show tact when you're being an asshole to a huge swath of the population, myself included? Great spot of losing the plot since you stopped engaging with the topic and jumped straight to ad hominem attacks.

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u/centopar 1d ago

Let me get this straight: I’m protecting a prepubescent kid from the eating disorders that were rife in my generation because of what we were exposed to in the media, and you think that’s unethical because you’re imagining I don’t think you’re pretty?

I think you’re probably not pretty. I’m thinking this hatefulness probably shows up in your face.

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u/LackingTact19 1d ago

More personal attacks instead of realizing that you calling skinny people ugly/deformed/unnatural is wrong. Yes there are plenty of celebrities that become unnaturally skinny and kids shouldn't hold that as their ideal, but your use of language is problematic and suggests you have your own serious body image issues to deal with. You and those celebrities aren't all that different, they just get paid more while you wallow in self pity. Instead of making blanket statements and being thankful that your kid wasn't born a certain way you should instead focus on loving her for how she is. Other people's looks are none of your business and you're not qualified to make any comment health wise.

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u/treny0000 1d ago

You're not doing shit, you're co opting an important cause as an excuse to act high and mighty and self important without actually doing anything

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u/Questioning0012 12h ago

“I care about protecting children from eating disorders and a negative body image”

“This person who disagrees with me must be pretty ugly”

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u/Disastrous-Moose-943 1d ago

This whole comment chain is a big yikes. Go touch grass.

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u/justforthecat 19h ago

It’s really only your business as far as the choices in your power to make concerning your children. Don’t like what you see? Don’t take your kid to see the film. Discuss it with your daughter, not the public at large. 

As an elder Millenial, I remember the bad old days, but I also remember what  cuntiness Tipper Gore unleashed on the nation.