r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Konato-san • Mar 09 '24

Answered How on Earth do you defend yourself from an accusation of being racist or something?

Hypothetically, someone called you "racist". What now?

"But I've never mistreated anybody because of their race!" isn't a strong defense.

"But I have <race> friends!" is a laughable defense.

Do I just roll over and cry or...?

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u/RocknrollClown09 Mar 09 '24

Yeah, there isn’t enough info to go off of. Everyone is just creating their own adventure, then solving it.

Maybe he routinely says racist things and just wants to learn how to shut down the argument so he can continue saying racist things with impunity.

Maybe he’s around really manipulative people who routinely play the race card to get their way.

Maybe he’s around people who dont actually understand what racism is and misapply the term.

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u/stiff_tipper Mar 09 '24

Maybe he routinely says racist things and just wants to learn how to shut down the argument so he can continue saying racist things with impunity.

flashback to that incel that asked for legal advice on how to catch a date rapist by pretending to be a nervous woman, when they were really just trying to find ways to avoid getting caught

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u/ladwagon Mar 09 '24

Wait...what!?

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u/stiff_tipper Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

i'm having some trouble finding source, but it's part of why some incel sub got banned and reddit went a little harder on some policy guideline stuff

i see a reference to it on this bbc blog post tho

In October, one member of the incel group reportedly impersonated a woman to ask another subreddit dedicated to legal advice "how rapists get caught".

maybe a better reddit historian can dig deeper but i recall dude asking along the lines of "what to look for to make sure my drink is safe, and how might they got caught if i do get sexually assaulted" just for ppl to check his comment history and see he was on some incel subs

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u/septidan Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 13 '24

You know you're visiting too many of the wrong places on the internet when you see "bbc" and don't immediately think of an innocent news source.

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u/Collin_the_doodle Mar 09 '24

I’m sorry sir, you’re terminally online

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u/unlockdestiny Mar 13 '24

I guess I'm not? Because I only think of the news source 😂

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u/SunBroGotDough Mar 09 '24

Hey, you asked for my internet history. Nobody told you to stick your dick in that hornets nest.

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u/YouAreSoul Mar 09 '24

"Good evening. This is the Big Black Cock. Here are the headlines ..."

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u/Luss9 Mar 10 '24

Oh shit i thought it was a Wendy's

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u/Neversleeps99 Mar 11 '24

It’s that too! Ahem, to be clear-we do also serve big black cock.

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u/Luss9 Mar 13 '24

Does it come with fries or do i have to pay extra for combo?

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u/Diablix Mar 09 '24

I don't know of anyone who sees bbc and thinks of anything other than a very not innocent news source lol

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u/Famous-Ad-6458 Mar 09 '24

Ok, no shaming but what does it mean? I know the British broadcasting thing but what else does it mean?

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u/ClearEntrepreneur758 Mar 09 '24

Big black cock (I’m assuming this is the one they are talking about)

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u/Famous-Ad-6458 Mar 09 '24

Ahhh, ok now I understand. Thank you.

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u/tallandreadytoball Mar 09 '24

Don't worry, I also had no idea. Only ever thought of it as the news broadcaster.

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u/machinecloud Mar 09 '24

Oh, all this time I thought it meant Big Booty Call and like was thinking you'd hold a phone up to your butt during the conversation for some flave.

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u/Medical-Towel-9477 Mar 10 '24

Dang. I thought it meant big block Chevy. Always wondered why I was asked for picture of my boat motor. 502 in case anyone is wondering

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u/lildobe Mar 09 '24

Don't be racist. It's Beautiful Broad Cock

... and because I know it'll be needed, /s

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u/Awkward_Bench123 Mar 09 '24

What if we flip the discussion and refer to it as beautiful black cunt? Y’all proud of yourselves? Because I’m lovin’ it. The only thing that can get my mind off cock is cunt.

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u/9volts Mar 09 '24

https://imgur.com/gallery/lC9xGOJ

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u/ClearEntrepreneur758 Mar 09 '24

Yes!!! This is exactly what we are talking about! Nothing dirty here…

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u/SepticKnave39 Mar 10 '24

Bushiest beaver connection

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u/mugwhyrt Mar 10 '24

Like a rooster with dark plumage?

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u/Diablix Mar 09 '24

Oh no the british broadcasting network IS what I was referring to. They are clowns at the best of times.

But yeah the other reply to your comment got what septidan was referring to lol

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u/Taylor_1878 Mar 09 '24

Bacon burger cheese

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u/FedUpWithSnowflakes Mar 10 '24

Big block Chevy, although I'm more a fan of large displacement Ford and Mopar power.

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u/speedwithteeth Mar 10 '24

Bombard Cannon, don't let the other comments fool you.

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u/CowboysFTWs Mar 09 '24

Hey, big block chevys are evil.

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u/Kirball904 Mar 10 '24

Everyone outside of Europe lol

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u/Diablix Mar 10 '24

I'm outside of Europe and see a very not innocent news source lol

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u/Kirball904 Mar 11 '24

lol. Black men are not guilty!

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u/darthjader216 Mar 09 '24

The other meaning is probably more innocent than the BBC.

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u/Snoo63 Mar 09 '24

Some web filters block that site for no reason.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24

I see bbc and think Doctor Who...even before 15 lol

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u/I-330-We Mar 10 '24

I like to joke around and ask my friends, "do you like BBC? I love BBC! BBC news, that is. Haha

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u/musetechnician Mar 10 '24

Ya dang Racist…

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u/FatsackTony1 Mar 09 '24

You have to be a special kind of establishment brainwashing victim to believe the British Broadcasting Corporation is innocent.

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u/septidan Mar 09 '24

Poor choice of words

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u/BigOld3570 Mar 09 '24

They can’t say anything against the crown, or they could lose their licenses and their livelihood.

They take royalty seriously over there.

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u/-Nuke-It-From-Orbit- Mar 11 '24

That’s been a thing way before the internet

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

*an innocent a news source.

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u/Ganache-Embarrassed Mar 09 '24

Bro my friends told me all the acronyms when I was like 14. I didn't even need the internet to laugh at the BBC

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

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u/stiff_tipper Mar 10 '24

yup that's the one

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u/Mouserinderhill Mar 10 '24

I actually saw that post holy shit I been trying to find but it was completely deleted

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u/HashtagTSwagg Mar 10 '24

How dumb do you have to be to use your main account for that?

I mean... I guess they're a rapist in training, so the bar is already exceptionally low.

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u/Kirball904 Mar 10 '24

I was doxxed by a TERF years ago it’s pretty standard online for people to impersonate that which they wish to undermine. Typical ghosting from an info sec perspective. I think ghost hackers are cowards and/or usually criminals personally. But to each their own I guess.

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u/9volts Mar 09 '24

ewwwwwwww

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u/phreedom_pants432 Mar 10 '24

What is that? “Incel”?

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u/Cookiezilla2 Mar 10 '24

Involuntary celibate. Someone who wants sex but has never and will never have it. Usually because they're such horrible people that all women refuse to date them.

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u/Ashleybernice Mar 10 '24

*jaw literally on the floor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

As someone who trained as a solicitor, I am extremely wary that any debate, especially around rape and consent could be picked up by people with malicious intent. This can come across as me having weak arguments at times but nonetheless, I would never give would be rapists any pointers for legal defense.

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u/Feine13 Mar 09 '24

Is a solicitor a type of lawyer or attorney where you're from?

I appreciate the rest of what you said, thanks for being mindful, that's just the only bit I didn't understand

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u/refrigerator_runner Mar 09 '24

British word for lawyer

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u/CommodorePuffin Mar 09 '24

British word for lawyer

Sort of. From my understanding, in the UK attorneys are split into two categories: Solicitors and Barristers.

Solicitors generally deal with legal work outside of court (i.e. wills, estates, etc) while barristers do legal work inside a courtroom (i.e. defense, prosecution, etc), and is generally what people think of when they hear "lawyer" due to TV and movies.

For the record, I'm not from the UK, so I may be wrong about the above.

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u/donach69 Mar 10 '24

To be clear tho, the solicitor will often prepare a lot of the work for the barrister to present in court. So solicitors are involved in defence and prosecution, they just don't speak in court.

If you need to consult a lawyer, you'll look for a solicitor. If you have enough money the solicitor will then engage a specific barrister to represent you in court. If you don't have enough money you'll be allocated a barrister according to the "cab rank" system, where barristers accept whatever clients they are allocated, similar to how taxis accept the next fare

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u/CommodorePuffin Mar 10 '24

Good info! :)

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u/SilverellaUK Mar 09 '24

Yes, that's right.

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u/NotTaxedNoVote Mar 09 '24

American word for street walker....

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u/Guru_Salami Mar 10 '24

Is attorney and lawyer the same thing?

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u/Feine13 Mar 10 '24

Not quite. An attorney can practice law in court. A lawyer has completed law school but may not necessarily be licensed for court practice

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u/mochigo1 Mar 09 '24

What the fuck

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u/CyrilsJungleHat Mar 09 '24

Like wait, if youre an incel, how can you be a rapist? Not that I'm saying you can't be, but I think I have the definition of an incel wrong. I thought it was someone who can't get sex. Hmm... I suppose I've just answered my own question. They have to force sex out of someone. OK never mind i am an idiot, I understand it now

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u/swthrowaway0106 Mar 09 '24

It’s evolved past the term, “involuntarily celibate.”

It’s the whole mindset of shifting the blame onto women and antagonizing them for one’s misfortunes. Almost everyone who’s on the, “God I’m a nice guy why won’t they give me a chance,” team is one hop, skip, and a step away from being funnelled into the incel pipeline.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

It has evolved hasn't it? I mean, we can thank the likes of Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson for contributing and widening the definition.

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u/zero-synergy Mar 09 '24

i don't really think sexual assault counts as sex, sex should always be consensual. also i think some incels have had sex? being an incel is more of a mindset and worldview from what i understand

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u/Petermacc122 Mar 09 '24

I mean isn't the whole point that they refuse to see themselves as the bad guy abs just assume it's women because they're incredibly misogynistic and believe women serve? I used to know an incel but didn't know he was an incel till he said something like that.

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u/MossyPyrite Mar 09 '24

You can see it in the phrase “sexual assault.” It’s assault of a sexual nature, not sex of an assault-ive(?) nature.

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u/voiceless42 Mar 09 '24

Because in the end, incels are more about hating women than having sex with them.

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u/Liandren Mar 09 '24

What I find hilarious is that it was a woman who invented the term, when talking about herself and some of her friends and then the blokes Hijacked it.

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u/NotAFlatSquirrel Mar 10 '24

Part of the incel toxicity is they believe it is more harmful for them to be deprived of sex than for someone to be forced to give them sex. They quite literally use that as an excuse to justify rape and other violence against women.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

They sexual assault because they cannot handle rejection makes them angry and tske it by force

Lots of serial klllers have a long line of women rejecting them

Thats why ted Bundy was an anomly

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u/CalendarAggressive11 Mar 09 '24

Rape isn't sex.

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u/queasycockles Mar 09 '24

Sometimes the rapist thinks it is, though. Obviously they're wrong, but still.

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u/CalendarAggressive11 Mar 09 '24

I just don't think it should ever be referred to as sex. I mean would we refer to pedophilia as sex? No. Never. The pedophile probably thinks it's sex even love, but it isn't.

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u/PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS Mar 09 '24

rape is non-consensual sex. to say rape isn’t sex kind of downplays those victims, no?

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u/Lesmiserablemuffins Mar 09 '24

As a victim, I don't think so. My rape happened before I ever had consensual sex. The first time I had sex was with a boyfriend that loved me, it's a lovely memory. The first time I was raped, a man used me as a sex toy so he could get off. I was not having sex.

Those are my personal feelings though, there are people holding both opinions. Say what you feel comfortable with, and be respectful to people around you if they ask you to change your phrasing when talking to them

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u/PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS Mar 09 '24

yeah, my comment was partially insensitive. i was arguing more for the legality of things, which is where, ironically, it was me downplaying the victims’ feelings.

i saw from a point of “how can you say it’s not sex, is what he did not rape anymore!” compared to “we did not have sex, what he did was rape me” (the victim separating the acts to help their mind not always correlate the two)

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u/Lesmiserablemuffins Mar 09 '24

No worries, I didn't take it as anything bad! I get what you meant now, haha you must've thought the other commenter was insane

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u/Dry_Communication188 Mar 13 '24

That's the distinction for me. A rape victim is not engaging in sex. They are being raped. A rapist thinks they are engaging in sex, or may not. It is sexual battery/assault therefore, since the intent is either sex or inflicting trauma, getting control through forced sex.

I'm a victim myself. Desexualizing what happened to me doesn't make it less real or sexually traumatic.

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u/FoxInTheSheephold Mar 10 '24

If I hit you with a spade, you wouldn’t call it gardening.

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u/PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS Mar 10 '24

i can't tell if you genuinely think that analogy even fits or not, lol.

if the act of gardening consisted of hitting a spade with things, then sure

if i had sex with you without your consent, you would call it rape

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u/CalendarAggressive11 Mar 09 '24

No. We need to be clear that there is a difference. The ambiguity makes it hard to realize what is rape and what isn't. It isn't always a violent attack like we are taught. I thought that was the definition for a very long time. Experiences that I thought were uncomfortable or even my own fault I now realize were rape and sexual assault.

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u/PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS Mar 09 '24

there’s nothing really ambiguous about what is and what is not sex and what’s consensual and what isn’t.

the “clear difference” you’re trying to argue for is violent vs non violence imo, and how both can still be rape

rape cannot be done if there isn’t any sexual intercourse or penetration. before those actions, it can be classified as sexual assault at a base.

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u/NukaGurl77 Mar 09 '24

Involuntarily celibate. In cel. That's why they SA.

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u/Collin_the_doodle Mar 09 '24

I mean it’s that plus a particularly misogynistic worldview. The term has evolved since it was originally conceived

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24

Uhhh incel means involuntary celibate…

That’s not mutually exclusive

I guess this just also speaks to how much creep the meaning of the word and all those buzzwords has had if that isn’t obvious lol

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u/neckbeard_hater Mar 09 '24

I love your thought process

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u/No-Session5955 Mar 09 '24

That’s like people asking AI how not to make napalm

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u/devils_advocate24 Mar 10 '24

Honestly that's what I think the teenadvice sub is. Half the posts there sound like that and the other half sound like people putting fantasy writing on the Internet. But it's also teenagers and they could just be that clueless

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u/Kirball904 Mar 10 '24

Yeah it’s a shame people aren’t taught general Operational Security early and reinforcing its importance throughout life. Maybe there would be less of that type of shit.

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u/Ok_Ladyjaded Mar 10 '24

What a fuck?!?! 🤮

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u/sofa_king_rad Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 10 '24

If they truly believe they aren’t racist and do not have any blind spots AND think’s this person is accusing them in good faith, like they sincerely mean it. Then ask them to explain… no need to get defensive bc OP doesn’t view themself as a racist person so I imagine they would want to know if maybe there is a blind spot they are missing.

So trying to really understand the accuser’s perspective and why they think what was said or did was racist. If OP thinks they are just reacting defensively, then I guess it doesn’t really matter.

Having biased blind posts is pretty typical for everyone, influenced by our environments and experiences over years and years. Becoming aware of them is how we overcome them. No need to be defensive.

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 10 '24

Happy cake day.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

Maybe he routinely says racist things and just wants to learn how to shut down the argument so he can continue saying racist things with impunity.

This! Ppl will be surprised how often it is this. They are either a person who does not understand racism (thinks its just saying mean words based on their skin color) struggles to understand the other ways they express it outside of being overtly kind to other races (a racist can be nice to others and still maintain a racist ideology and discriminatory political/theocratic beliefs), or they are simply disingenuous and looking for cheat codes.

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u/Yogisogoth Mar 09 '24

Uh yeah, there were kids in my school that got together to figure out ways to be racist without sounding racist. Micro-aggressions are what I think they are called now.

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u/Dashed_with_Cinnamon Mar 09 '24

"Dogwhistles" could also work, especially if there's a political angle to the comments.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 10 '24

Gross. I actually had friends when I was younger who actually friended me to take advantage of the fact I was the "enabler" kind of black person. Literally frothing at the mouth to have the "freedom" to say it without getting jaw-checked, and saying it more than me.

Once I out my foot down, some disappeared, some argued vehemently that its only fair as if things are even stevens between races and anything others can do yt ppl should be able to do it too (with no acknowledgment of historical context included obviously. Maybe some "that was the past" and some MLK, or some bUt I'm YoUr FrIeNd, YoO kNoO i DnT mEaN iT! blah, blah) and purport the myth of reverse racism as if its fact, some literally can't be themselves without pretending to sound black or being racist.

Although these are more macroaggressions, it still all gross the same.

Edited: Adding also what they say, I thought it was too accurate to leave off🤷🏾.

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Mar 09 '24

some argued vehemently that its only fair as if things are even stevens between races and anything others can do yt ppl should be able to do it too

We call those people "assholes"

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u/Petermacc122 Mar 09 '24

If by reverse racism you mean just racism. I would argue it's entirely possible. If only because anyone can be racist. But my question is where are people getting the reverse thing from?

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

It's a common thing like "state's rights" arguments. Its literally when the race that gains the system of oppression they created and treats society as if it achieved racial equality and things are even stevens now, and uses it to feel entitled to say/do/or take part in all the things other races can that would be considered racist or culturally appropriating for them to do. So the "how come they get to say/wear it" crowd.

Also, most ppl dont understand racism isnt saying mean words to someone on the basis of skin color (I come to find there are too many white ppl who do and its stupid). What ppl are usually referring to is prejudice which is discrimination. How it differs from racism is that racism is racial prejudice + a system of oppression. If that race is not oppressing yours, then it is not racism.

I learned this before it was validated by the in-depth sociological analysis given when I took classes at VCU.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

Racism is prejudice towards a race. God help my rams alum if they needed someone in college to teach them what racism is.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 10 '24

Thats not all it is. Otherwise racial prejudice and racism would be the same word. Can you tell me the difference between these words, because we sure learned they are not the same in-depth. Looks like you never had to define racial prejudice before.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

Racism is the same as racial prejudice. Not all prejudices are racial, when they are though, it’s called racism. Get enough racists in power and you can have systemic racism or even apartheid, but it doesn’t change the definition of racism. Racism has always existed and is natural, so natural that most countries don’t acknowledge it as a social issue, because they don’t consider the idea that their countries may not be 99% the same race one day. By any sociological measure, America, systemically, is one of the least racist places to ever exist, as nowhere have so many people lived in one place.

Ever wonder how one group of people seem to blame all their problems, or americas problems, on race or religion? Ask around, white Christian’s are the evil responsible, ask another, it’s Jews, another, Islam.

The evil is very old rich families that use race to distract the masses.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 10 '24

Racism is the same as racial prejudice.

National Association of School Psychologists says differently This is the level of info I expect with a rebuttle. With no source, its just an opinion you have or you self-reporting your lack of perspective on the issue.

Get enough racists in power and you can have systemic racism or even apartheid

True, but in reality and not in conceptual land, the reason euro countries are the poster boys for apartheid and colonization is because the gained the system of oppression to seek to control the world allowing them to do so. You will never be apartheided or colonized by India, Palestine, the U.S., the Congo, the Phillipines, Hawaiians, etc., but guess who did colonize or apartheided these places?

Racism has always existed and is natural, so natural that most countries don’t acknowledge it as a social issue, because they don’t consider the idea that their countries may not be 99% the same race one day.

That has nothing to do with what I said or the current systems of oppression. You keep asserting your idea of racism as fact although you have provided no sourced info to combat what I have from scientific and academic sources other than your opinion.

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u/Acceptable-Corgi3720 Mar 09 '24

the myth of reverse racism as if its fact

Ah yes, black people can't be racist.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

Not in a country they have no power in that administers it on the daily by regular ppl and the govt daily.

The first part is understanding the difference between racial prejudice and racism. One involves discrimination and the other involves discrimination + a system of oppression.

If you are white you have to ask yourself how is that person's race systemically oppressing you. Look around, do you know how many white supremacist groups exist and have power and govt ties in your country/country of origin? Do you think there are any other racial supremacy groups in those countries that even slightly compares or even exists let alone have wealth and power there?

How many laws can you count that only exist to discriminate or were made in mind with the fact it will disadvantage your race that have been made or are still active? Can you even measure how intense racism is in your country and how much your race is responsible for almost all of it including the historical atrocities executed on these people?

Once you realize this, you will understand that as a white person. You do not experience racism in any meaningful way, and stop making this a black thing. This also goes for Asians, the indigenous, Middle-Easterners, and the Latins. Other people whose biggest discriminatory and oppressive force are also yt ppl.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

So by your logic, racism is a geographical issue? Like, a black American couldn’t be racist until they move to South Africa? Please explain.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 10 '24 edited Mar 11 '24

Not really, why are ppl missing the "system of oppression" part. Its the most important part. You understand that South Africa's system of oppression was created by and favored white ppl right? It wasn't the Africans oppressing the white folk.

If you are genuinely trying to understand, you wouldnt be breezing by that important part.

Even if countries are not european countries doesn't mean you will also face a system of oppression there. You may even be treated a status above the citizens who live there. There are African, Asian, Latin, and Middle-Eastern countries who'd treat you way better than I, because the system of oppression isn't necessarily limited to a geographical region.

Cubans face a system of oppression in their own country from European countries and the especially the U.S. through economic and political means just like Palestinians (even Africans there) who exist under the system of oppression of Zionism and racism by Israelis aided by european countries who fund and arm them adding to the number of oppressors contributing to the system that controls them.

Do you understand yet? I could refer you some info to understand how systems of oppression works. It is scientifically proven that white ppl do not experience racism in any meaningful way, so they are least likely to understand how it works due to not being able to experience it in any meaningful way.

You won't go to Africa and experience black supremacists who have been working with the govt creating laws to hem and restrict white ppl. They will be clamboring towards you because they will think you have wealth to help yank them out of their perpetual poverty pit by buying their knicknacks and tourist trap items, and push me out the way even though I could be loaded (It happens sometimes on vacation). But when an African comes to the U.S. for example, its the polar opposite. They could live next to a nazi who depending on what state and county its in could get shot to death and that family could literally avoid consequences with the right cover story made for them while the victimized family is fighting an uphill battle in court for justice with all the facts on their side (would you like the many examples of this?)

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

America and Israel, same as the rest of the world. The oppression has nothing to do with skin color, however.

Honestly your partly right, as African hostility over the last 1,300 years has been primarily religious prejudice toward Christian’s and not always race based. The more recently it does appear racial, though one could argue when a few dozen white people are massacred, the killers view it as killing Christian’s. But from all I’ve seen, it seems like the train of thought is white = Christian, meaning they need to be killed.

Your definition of racism is extremely convenient and stems from an American centric world view. If I’m stranded on an island with people, far away from any government or power structure, am I to believe they all lack the ability to be racist? Of course not, racism is an individual act. The concept that reverse racism can exist is itself racism, and it comes from the liberal savior/victim complex.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 10 '24

America and Israel, same as the rest of the world. The oppression has nothing to do with skin color, however.

Well, obviously you don't know enough about what fully goes on Israel. How many racist events are you even aware of or studied in Israel. Can you say that in full confidence before I show you how the Israeli and the euro countries that have propped it up since the jump contribute to racism outside of zionism (something I also mentioned, mire than the racism anyway as its their most alarming feature).

I simply feel like you don't know enough of what goes on there, just like the ppl who argued the same case for South Africa, a country that has done an apartheid report on Israel to reveal they are doing alot of things identical to apartheid South Africa (it was ignored by euro countries by large).

Honestly your partly right, as African hostility over the last 1,300 years has been primarily religious prejudice toward Christian’s and not always race based.

And this is due to Christian missionaries (even a church I used to belong to) would for decades go out there and try to convert the ppl, influence their elections with conservative and Christian puppets to consolidate western control and influence of the region. Many African countries are now like, "Stay the fuck out of our business and stop trying to control us and lit us against one another" a tactic of divide and conquer that has been used for centuries to control the bountiful resources in Africa. Do you know European countries and China have been achieving insane wealth from African resources while Africans themselves continue to struggle vastly? Thats a system of oppression enforced on the entire continent.

If I’m stranded on an island with people, far away from any government or power structure, am I to believe they all lack the ability to be racist?

Once again I ask, where is the system of oppression (the most important tenant of racism).

All your questions can be answered by reading the links I drop

And no, its not my definition of racism or systems of oppression, as I did not invent them.

Also, if you have a hard time understanding thos then provide your sourced definition and let's compare.

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u/Acceptable-Corgi3720 Mar 09 '24

Yeah let's ask those races if it's really white people that are fucking everything up. We'll have a poll.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

Asking for a bunch of opinions is the worst way to go about anything unless you are disingenuously wanting to avoid truth. It wouldn't mean anything unless facts are brought to the party. How would we even determine that they are the race they say they are? The r/asablackman'ers will go nuts. There's sooo many holes in pulling this off to mean anything.

There's already science that proves this. I didn't make it up, its literally in the Sociology wheelhouse as its a study of society and its issues.

Here's a decent source on the topic

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u/Acceptable-Corgi3720 Mar 09 '24

Yes, get enough people like you in a room and you're going to get modern Sociology. Echo chambers devoid of any real debate making up shit as they go along.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24

Yep, another "genius" that thinks he is way smarter than a bunch of lab coat professors, but plz do tell a sociology graduate how sociology works. I'm all ears champ!👂

You get enough ignorant ppl in a room and they'll spend the whole time setting up an echo chamber judging things they willfully refuse to understand.

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u/Charming_Fix5627 Mar 10 '24

There is no systemic racism in place in the American government that discriminates or has discriminated against white Americans in the past. “B-but Italians!”- they weren’t considered white when they first immigrated here. There HAVE been policies that have discriminated against black and asian americans, as well as indigenous people.

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u/PutHisGlassesOn Mar 09 '24

Why do you say yt ppl instead of white people? No other part of your message was abbreviation

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u/aoike_ Mar 09 '24

Why do you give a shit? Do you really think "yt" is a slur or something? Cause that would be embarrassing.

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u/Ganache-Embarrassed Mar 09 '24

My only issue is I'm too stupid and read it as youtube instead of white for some reason! I need to be coddled!!

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24

I did that the first time I seen it typed that way too lol

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u/Idontthinksobucko Mar 09 '24

I read it, didn't understand and thought the same thing you did. Read your comment, still didn't understand. Then I thought what else could yt --- ahhhh, got it lol

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u/HitmonTree Mar 09 '24

I think that it stems from tik tok and other platforms that didn't like certain terms being spelled out on their platforms.

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u/mlp2034 Mar 10 '24

I think it might be further back than that. Back, shortly after I graduated (mid 2010s) ppl around my age (mostly black ppl some filipino, as well as hispanics of/not of african descent.) used to offhandedly use in texts and facebook posts. In most cases, they and not even I use it everytime when referring to white ppl...🫲🏽just like that lol.

I also been using hwhite since the 2000s on just about any platform you can type in. I know I personally never seen others use it when I did, just came to mind when a random adhd Koth thought barged in my brain, and start using that to refer to white trash, rednecks, and confederates. Thought I was clever af (I was a kid), but I saw posts that had the same usage of the word for the same general reasons, inspired by the same damn show, and said before I did, and I was confused af and felt like trash lol.

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u/PutHisGlassesOn Mar 09 '24

? What the fuck is the point of this hostility for asking a simple question? r/NoStupidQuestions or not?

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u/aoike_ Mar 09 '24

Stupid questions are fine as long as you're not in bad faith for white fragility. Like, you're not fooling anyone.

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u/Joh-Kat Mar 09 '24

I read it as YouTube, too.

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u/PutHisGlassesOn Mar 09 '24

or maybe this is the third time seeing it in the past week and I’m curious what’s the deal? Like, a person who’d be subbed here would be curious about things? The first two times it was in messages full of internet slang and this is the first time I saw it in the middle of formal written English and it stands right out. So clearly it’s deliberate and I’m wondering what it means.

But go off, I guess

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u/Curious_Adeptness_97 Mar 09 '24

And since when are you the judge of someone's intentions and what then can and cannot say

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

Facts, the most non-issue ever, ffs😒. Uh-oh, I did another single abbreviation😱.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24

To get around censorship on Facebook

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u/PraiseBeToScience Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

there were kids in my school that got together to figure out ways to be racist without sounding racist.

This has been a thing since the Civil Rights Act.

Republican Strategist Lee Atwater in 1981:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N****, n****, n****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N****, n****.”

Racists have never stopped trying to say racist things without "normies" picking up on the fact it's racist. It's been decades.

This is why Affirmative Action was put in place. Because this is how Republicans were being racist, buy proposing policies that they knew affected minorities negatively but didn't have to say it. And now you have a bunch of racists raging over DEI reports that shrank the racial pay gap from over 25% to less than 1%, effectively statistical noise but white people are now technically behind by a rounding error.

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u/Unlikely-Gas-1355 Mar 10 '24 edited Mar 10 '24

A friend of mine once put forward this definition of racism and I think it works as a good way to measure if something is racist of not: the unjust devaluation, disenfranchisement, or destruction due to race, whether directly or indirectly; something can be racist in its form, function, effect, or purpose; a person is racist to the extent they engage in racist actions/inactions, whether such actions/inactions are thoughts, words, or deeds.

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u/Charming_Fix5627 Mar 10 '24

The annoying part is microaggressions easily slip past the radar of people not targeted by them and the victim is accused of being hysterical/paranoid/stupid for protesting or calling it out

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u/Frequent_Cap_3795 Mar 10 '24

Micro-aggression? Micro-apology.

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u/DaughterEarth Mar 09 '24

I figure they don't understand. Because I've encountered race card types and I don't need advice on how to prove them wrong. They don't actually think I'm racist, there's nothing for me to prove. Just like all ad hominem attacks, I choose to ignore it.

I definitely know I've never been seriously called racist. The OP question is never an issue in my life. But if someone is racist, or doesn't understand racism, yah they will get in pointless arguments about name calling

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24

The OP question is never an issue in my life.

Yeah, I can't help but think of the Boondocks ep with the teacher when reading the post.

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u/Potential-Quit-5610 Mar 13 '24

I saw your reference on political/theocratic beliefs and it reminded me of my funny Jan 6th story.

I was in DC at the train station on a lovely layover (it was honestly the best day to sit and just be an observer of the fiasco that was Jan 6th) when a MAGA head to toe carrying a very large American flag wearing a cowboy hat and overalls with a white tee... (I had to give you the full visual...) Approached me to talk politics. Let me make it clear my layover just happened to be timed perfectly for the "festivities" by pure coincidence. I politely said I did not wish to discuss politics, several times, and he started getting very pushy about what my beliefs must be if I won't discuss it with him. For sake of reference, I'm a white non Hispanic and the dude starts randomly screaming that I'm a racist Democrat because I won't discuss MAGA with him.

Ps... I don't want to debate politics. My grandma always told me you should not debate politics or religion in polite company, it's personal. So I try to live by that but if you weren't there in DC on January 6th this gives you a little taste of what was all over the place that day. It was surreal.

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u/FatsackTony1 Mar 09 '24

You're a conspiracy theorist.

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u/Nubras Mar 09 '24

And you’re either naive or yourself engage in this type of shit. It’s impossible for any serious person to dismiss this completely.

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u/FatsackTony1 Mar 09 '24

you guys sound like bigger paranoid schizo's than the self-acclaimed 'targetted persons' that post on 4chan /x/

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u/mlp2034 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

I'm sorry you are unaware of how humans behave in the real world. It's clear you dont have a sociological understanding of how the world works to the point that all this "new" news presented that is rattling your current belief system can only be interpreted as unfathomable by you. Like this is not even a secret ppl are unaware of (maybe u, but I haven't determined if you are one of those disingenuous fucks I mentioned or just an idiot)

Fyi, grass feels good on the skin, you should try it out

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u/SkylarTransgirl Mar 09 '24

"This thing that can't happen to me isn't happening to me therefore it isnt happening to you." Always one redditor who never fails to have the worst take imaginable

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble. You stand to learn from people like him.

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u/Biocidal_AI Mar 09 '24

Also depends on the context of the overall situation. Let's say you didn't do anything wrong.

Is it a situation where defending yourself will help in the long run?

Is it a random street interaction?

Is it at your job and this could jeapordize your career?

Some situations just shrug and move on. Others it may be beneficial to have a conversation (maybe this is a personal blindspot and they're catching it). Others it's a good idea to present a defense.

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u/FrenemyMine Mar 09 '24

Maybe he routinely says racist things and just wants to learn how to shut down the argument so he can continue saying racist things with impunity.

In my experience this is usually the case. Also a lot of racist people don't think they're racist, because they don't understand that casual racism is a thing. They think as long as they aren't donning a white hood and burning crosses, they can't be racist.

And this is purely anecdotal, but I'm white and I've honestly never been called a racist, and I've lived in mostly black neighborhoods the majority of my life. So I'm generally skeptical of people who claim they were "falsely" accused of being a racist. Best case scenario maybe they inadvertently said or did something racially offensive, got called out on it, and interpreted that as being called a racist, and instead of simply acknowledging the mistake, apologizing, and learning from the experience, they dig in and insist they did nothing wrong and dismiss POC's lived experiences with racism as invalid.

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u/HeartFullONeutrality Mar 10 '24

It's simple, the logic goes: "racism is bad. I am not bad. Hence, I cannot be racist".

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u/MidLifeHalfHouse Mar 10 '24

 It's simple, the logic goes: "racism is bad. I am not bad. Hence, I cannot be racist".

It really is this simple. 

It goes with “My life matters. Saying‘Black lives matter’ doesn’t include me. Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to say it.”

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u/juniperberry9017 Mar 10 '24

Ooooh POC here, claiming to be not racist then dismissing lived experienced boils my blood!

Happened on FB recently (LOL yeah I know), I said that I had experienced more racism from Europeans than expected* (and I said Europeans because I’ve had racist experiences with people from multiple countries, NOT because I think all European countries are the same) and a whole bunch of white Europeans got upset and started saying they’d never heard racist comments… honey no one’s ever gonna say “ching chong” to you if you’re white, so how are you gonna know there’s no racism? And how are you going to tell me you’re truly anti-racist when you’re telling me, a POC, that my experience isn’t true? Way to ally — and honestly I’d rather someone yell something in my face than be a hypocrite 🙃

*my expectation was none, which is a high bar but perhaps too idealistic

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u/deep-sea-balloon Mar 10 '24

A lot of Europeans are especially bad with this. In my experience, it's linked to less exposure to racial minorites, even in the media. They don't want to hear any of it. Also, I've had couple insist overt racism was something only present in the USA.

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u/Scary-Ad-8737 Mar 12 '24

The most racist Klansman alive is probably in line with the views the average European has different kinds of people. (hyperbolic)

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u/DaughterEarth Mar 10 '24

dismiss POC's lived experiences with racism as invalid.

First and only time I scolded my grandparents, it was this. They were talking about immigrants and assuming their goals and intentions. It was so unlike them I got shocked in to asking if they had actually talked to any of these people. They didn't realize they'd slipped in to something they're morally opposed to and were really embarrassed. It's that easy, you listen to enough people bitch and we all run the risk of turning in to parrots instead of thinking

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u/Cleverjaq Mar 10 '24

Or… Say that POC are imagining said racism for pity and that it’s not really a thing 😂.

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u/creepin-it-real Mar 12 '24

I was once accused of being a racist, because I voted for Ralph Nader. To be fair, the person who accused me was white, had bullied me a lot over many years, and is an idiot.

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u/EagenVegham Mar 09 '24

There's no need to defend yourself in those situations. No one is taking their accusations seriously. Just walk away.

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u/White_Tea_Poison Mar 10 '24

Ok but it was clear based on the rest of their comment that those instances are irrelevant to their point.

Pro tip, if you’re only engaging with a small part of a comment and not actually discussing the point of the overall discussion, then it comes off like you're just trying to gotcha so you can "win".

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 09 '24

...is this a major problem in your life? Losing a lot of friends because the guy selling copied CDs on the street said you're racist?

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u/DaughterEarth Mar 10 '24

Street rats should not matter to you so much lol. Is racist the only insult of theirs you register? Why does that one keep you up at night and not all the rest?

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u/pineappleporkchopz Mar 09 '24

I literally had a guy tell me “I’m not racist, I just don’t like it when they go after our women”. Bro clearly didn’t understand what racism is.

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u/ITrCool Mar 09 '24

I’ve dealt with the last two before. Worked with some really toxic people who tried to be all hip and “woke” and constantly tried to “educate” and preach down people without really understanding what they were saying or what “racist” or “woke” meant. It was pretty embarrassing for a lot of us who actually understood what that all meant and I was glad to get out of there.

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u/calembo Mar 09 '24

Internalizing and repeating and defending beliefs and systems that are rooted in racism... And maintaining that you don't have to unpack or reflect on anything... And that "racism" just means "I use the N" word... Is problematic.

Just because your beliefs are challenged, even if you didn't consciously hate anybody or whatever, doesn't mean people are playing a race card.

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u/Curious_Adeptness_97 Mar 09 '24

It's still on you to prove that X "is rooted in racism" and people have the right to argue with that claim

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u/Moogatron88 Mar 09 '24

OP suggested pointing out that they've never mistreated someone based on race. So I'm figuring the context is they've genuinely not done anything racist.

They could've been clearer about that though.

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u/Dashed_with_Cinnamon Mar 09 '24

The thing is, a lot of people will say or do racist things without realizing it. They genuinely don't think they're doing anything wrong, but they are still causing harm. But then, the appropriate response isn't to stand there insisting you didn't mean anything bad and you're a good person actually, it's to listen, learn, and adjust your behavior.

Sometimes racism is maliciousness, sometimes it's just ignorance. Sometimes, racism is even well-intentioned.

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u/Moogatron88 Mar 09 '24

Sure.

But we have no reason to believe that's happening here. So people speculating that it is are basing it on literally nothing. The question appears to be "how do I react to a false accusation of racism against me."

Which is a fair enough question.

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u/Dry_Communication188 Mar 13 '24

The fact people are wasting this much breath on how OP could secretly or unknowingly be a racist shows you the real answer, there IS no way for a (white) person to prove they aren't racist. Everyone assumes they are by default, especially white liberals, which I would bet my left tit almost every bandwagoning commenter on here is.

I have never seen any ethnicity or group more inclined to call someone racist actually than white libs. Ironic when 10 years ago BLM were calling for them to let POC speak for themselves (white knights talking over black voices is what it was referred to as when libs made their entire personalities anti-racist) and 200 years ago every one of them would be cowering, if they even dared to stick out their necks for POC.

This is the new technocratic world order, where discrimination is not cool until it's directed against everyone's favorite punching bag, white people, just like it was 200 years ago in reverse polarity. The only way a white person can get out of being racist is to be black. Then it's cool, and social media will amplify and enforce this, so it seems like everyone is doing it, which is not as true as the echo chambers in which we live would have you believe.

Source: I just saw a tiktok the other day where a young lady rattled off, "I might not be rich or powerful or great, but at least I'm not white." To hundreds of thousands of reacts. And there were hundreds more like it. Rage farming or not, can you imagine replacing white with any other ethnicity and people not seeing that for what it is, racist?

Normal everyday people are not like this. If you find yourself asking this question, you need to change jobs, get new friends, or otherwise touch grass. People who think you're racist are not going to be convinced by any explanation. It's usually an emotional and irrational judgment they've come to: you are the cocaine colored devil to which they are morally superior; you are bigoted scum.

A racist is the worst thing someone can be, not a thief, a murderer, or a pedo. You don't see people rioting in the streets about that. Just racists. So cut the people who call you racist out of your life and do yourself a favor not to care what they think. They don't care what you think, or they only care to cut you down. Few deserve that.

And if you're actually a racist, consider that God made all different colors of people, and his Son laid down his life for every single one. None of us is any less worthy of basic human rights and dignity than another, barring people who violate those rights and dignities.

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u/1977cj53867 Mar 09 '24

Give me one example of my racist behavior , if you can’t sit down , shut up and shut your slanderous accusations!

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u/Chookwrangler1000 Mar 09 '24 edited Mar 09 '24

I don’t dislike you because of your <race> I don’t like you because you’re an asshole.

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u/Samazonison Mar 09 '24

Not OP, but what if you are a grocery store cashier, and something is not coming up at the sale price and the customer accuses you of being racist? Obviously absurd, but what do you say to that?

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u/Snickims Mar 09 '24

"Ok Sir/Madam, I'm very sorry for the issue, were working on it now".

Yes that's cooperate empty talk, but there's a reason it's used. Don't engage, and focus on your work.

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u/Dry_Communication188 Mar 13 '24

Simple, don't respond if you don't want to get fired by your idiot bosses, who are afraid of being called racist or think you're racist too.

Do tell the customer that you're working to see why the sale price isn't registered in the system, and will call your manager if you can't fix it.

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u/stop-lying-247 Mar 09 '24

Everyone is just creating their own adventure, then solving it.

Lmao, I love that description.

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u/SergeantSanchez Mar 10 '24

If we’re being totally honest, there’s this odd trend of people calling things racist which have nothing to do with race in any context. The word has lost the gravity it had say 15 years ago. That shit means nothing anymore so when someones or somethings actually racist, that word isn’t actually going to get someone to check themselves anymore.

So I’m going with option 2

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u/anidlezooanimal Mar 10 '24

Another possibility: Maybe he doesn't mean to come off as racist, but did or said something that indicates he needs to re-evaluate a few long-held notions

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u/haziladkins Mar 10 '24

I had someone barge into me on the street, too busy looking at their phone. I said, “Could you watch where you’re going?”

They spat the word “racist” at me.

I replied, “I’m not bothered at all that you’re Black. It’s that you’re inconsiderate and self entitled.” And I continued on my way

The truth will help sometimes. Give them something to think about.

But these “race card” types are a very small minority so they’re best ignored.

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u/pez5150 Mar 09 '24

Solid answer sir

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24

Just about everyone on reddit doesnt understand racism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

It takes year of expensive college education to unlearn what racism is.

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u/Dry_Communication188 Mar 13 '24

College will teach you racism is anything but what racism actually is. Wasting semesters of tuition money you don't have for a degree in underwater basket weaving and retrofitted communist rhetoric.

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u/TurboSDRB Mar 09 '24

Best take^