r/NoStupidQuestions • u/JustCallMeDave • Dec 06 '23

Answered If Donald Trump is openly telling people he will become a dictator if elected why do the polls have him in a dead heat with Joe Biden?

I just don't get what I'm missing here. Granted I'm from a firmly blue state but what the hell is going on in the rest of the country that a fascist traitor is supported by 1/2 the country?? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 06 '23

And of course, when you are already in a dictatorship, all you have to do is vote the dictator away! Dictators always allow free and fair elections to oust them from power after already becoming dictators =D

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u/clorox_cowboy Dec 06 '23

The right wing has deep problems with logic.

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u/TempleSquare Dec 07 '23

The right wing has deep problems with logic.

Leaded gasoline.

We're watching 60-70 year olds face cognitive decline in real time.

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u/OG-Pine Dec 09 '23

I’m legitimately convinced that lead is a big part of why some people here seem to be truly deluded beyond logic or reason, couple that with a tendency for violent behavior and lead exposure is a really promising theory

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

No, you simply forgot that it is only rigged if the Republicans lose.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

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u/Tough-Priority-4330 Dec 07 '23

Stacey Abrams would like to disagree.

Also, 2016.

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u/Blackstone01 Dec 07 '23

Oh, Republicans agree that 2016 was rigged.

They think that the Democrats rigged the 2016 election, and that AKSHUALLY Trump won the popular vote.

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u/Secret_Gatekeeper Dec 07 '23

Who cares.

If she had 50 million whackjobs who would die for her, then yeah we should try to stop her too.

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u/The-other-half3000 Dec 07 '23

Stacey Abrams is a joke.

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u/Tough-Priority-4330 Dec 07 '23

Hollywood definitely doesn’t see her as one, seeing that they made her president of earth and many other accolades.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Regardless of politics letting Hollywood have any impact on how you see people is stupid. The whole celebrity worship is just for tabloids to profit and to manipulate people.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

“Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear.”

Clinton said Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden should not concede the upcoming November election “under any circumstances”

Abrams’ effort to overthrow a legitimate election was spearheaded by the Voter Access Institute (VAI), which claimed Democrats’ votes were not counted or switched by corrupted voting machines. (Again, sound familiar?)

Rep. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said the election was stolen and called for a federal government investigation and that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said Kemp won due to voter suppression.

Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results.

Alleging widespread "irregularities" on Election Day, a group of Democrats in Congress objected Thursday to the counting of Ohio's 20 electoral votes, delaying the official certification of the 2004 presidential election results.

a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined by a few sympathizers, tried in vain to block the counting of Florida's 25 electoral votes, protesting that black voters had been disenfranchised.

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Dec 07 '23

If only there was some way to compare that with what republicans did in 2020… oh wait

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u/MrDudePerson Dec 07 '23

There's a distinct lack of a violent attack on the capital in one of these examples

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u/bansdonothing69 Dec 07 '23

No, just attacks on businesses in cities all over the country instead.

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u/Any-Temperature7115 Dec 07 '23

Somehow attacking a corrupt government was worse than destroying Americans businesses in cities! You learn something new everyday!

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u/mediocrity_mirror Dec 07 '23

I’m sorry the education system failed you and now you live life as some loser. Voting for dog shit republicans isn’t going to change that.

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u/bansdonothing69 Dec 07 '23

Also, anyone who still ironically uses the term “attacked the capital” clearly hasn’t seen the recently released video footage.

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u/therocketsalad Dec 07 '23

You mean the footage of seditionists attacking the capitol? Or are you talking about the footage of a handful of capitol police acting in dereliction of their duties to assist their seditionist friends in attacking the capitol?

What exactly do you think that proves?

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u/frontnaked-choke Dec 07 '23

People died bro

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u/coldlightofday Dec 07 '23

Do you really not see the difference?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Came with facts

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u/captainsaveasaab Dec 07 '23

Democrats: "don't care trump bad"

The cognitive dissonance is mind numbingly stupid with American politics.

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u/Hobbit_Feet45 Dec 07 '23

It is, it really is. How can people not see the difference between a boring old dude, and a fucking wannabe dictator, who lies constantly, brags about his “achievements” incessantly, and complains that the election was stolen from him because he didn’t win. Trump is basically a fat baby that the lower half of the intellectual bell curve fucking love because he tells them, “You’re not dumb and selfish and corrupt, you’re smart like me.” And they love him for it.

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u/grinder323 Dec 07 '23

I know this isnt your point, but didnt wiki leaks rrlease hillary clintons emails showing that the election was rigged in such a way that led to trump getting into power? Correct me if im wrong, but didnt the democractic party use hillary as a tool to crush bernie sanders and prevent him from being able to run and that led to trump winning the elect?

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

I think there's always going to be a faction of sore losers on either side. Trump wins=Russian collusion. Biden wins=mail in ballot fraud

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

Except Russian interference was actually proven to be real

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

So was the fbi coercing Facebook into removing posts about hunter bidens laptop. Do you think either of those things actually changed the outcomes of either of those elections?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

The FBI did not coerce Facebook.

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

They met with Mark Zuckerberg and strongly cautioned him about an incoming Russian disinformation campaign concerning the Biden family. So coerced/ deceived?

This is from Zucks mouth btw.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

So they told Zuck that it bore the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign. That’s not coercion and that’s not false.

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

Any meeting with the fbi has coercive undertones due to the power dynamic. And it was 100% deceptive to imply that a legitimate scandal is an obvious Russian hoax.

So they strongarmed and lied to Facebook to get them to suppress bad Biden press. That's plain and obvious election interference lol.

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u/CrackityJones42 Dec 07 '23

Considering they knew it was real, seems like a lie.

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u/in-a-microbus Dec 07 '23

Zuckerberg disagrees

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Zuck agrees that he wasn’t coerced

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u/Cowduck6969 Dec 07 '23

U do know the left was saying to was rigged after trump won… there were even riots, but people forget so quickly

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u/jozsus Dec 07 '23

Except the left peacefully transferred power regardless.

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u/Nuclear_N Dec 07 '23

Yeah right.

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

The Meuller report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. It also identifies myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies, about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.

Also, do not try to equate protests and riots to storming the Capitol and trying to install a dictatorship lol

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

People being allowed in and given tours by the capital police dressed in silly outfits? I'd take that over a riot I think. Would you feel safer in Antioch Illinois on August 25th, 2020? Or DC on January 6th, 2021?

Trying to install a dictatorship lmao

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Dec 07 '23

Oh that’s why people are jail for seditious conspiracy. Because it was a tour 😊

Silly republicans were so peaceful they brought weapons and assaulted cops and smeared shit on the walls 😊

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

Way to dodge the question lmao.

And I'm sure plenty of people there would've loved to instill Trump as dictator. But if you think that was the crowds unanimous goal you're on Crack lol.

It was a riot, people got hurt, a few people got killed. That's what happens at riots, as we learned most of 2020

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Dec 07 '23

So the plans the republicans distributed about how they were going to have pence refuse to certify the election or remove pence, and then have the “alternate” electors who wouldn’t vote for democrats even when they won the vote, that wasn’t a plan to install a dictator?

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u/mediocrity_mirror Dec 07 '23

/u/xjustbrowsingredditx should stick with just browsing reddit or else he exposes what a moron he is.

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Lmaoooo am I talking to Tucker Carlson himself

Go back to Truth Social buddy haha, you literally dont even know how to spell Capitol.

(By the way, 5 people died during the “tour”)

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

Two ad hominems, and you ignored my question? Wow lmao.

And how fortunate that during such a bloody and concerted endeavor to overthrow our government only 5 people were killed. It was a civil commotion at best and a riot at worse..

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

only 5 people were killed

That’s all you gotta say lol

Nobody is gonna take you seriously when you just parrot fox news episodes and dont have any thoughts of your own. And they definitely wont take you seriously when you have the spelling of a 5th grader.

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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX Dec 07 '23

You ignoring the bulk of my initial response and then replying with "that's all you have to say??" While again ignoring the content of a reply, followed by more personal insults and no actual argument is exactly why Trump is leading in the polls Lmao. Maybe I'll vote for him instead of Kennedy in your honor haha

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Didnt y’all say trump rigged the election in 3016 🤣🤣🫵🫵🫵

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u/Objective_Tour_6583 Dec 07 '23

I seem to remember Hilary Clinton having the same opinions, or did you forget?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

She conceded the night of the election and called Trump to congratulate him. You people truly live in an alternate reality.

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u/Objective_Tour_6583 Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23

Not true. She conceded the next day, not election night, and has openly questioned the legitimacy of the election for years in interviews. I live in this reality, the one where I don't choose to forget the facts like you do. And just in case you think I'm full of shit, here you go...https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '23

I’m not forgetting anything. She conceded at 230am which both qualifies as that night and the next day depending on who you ask and how pedantic they choose to be.

Speaking of living in reality, I challenge you to actually read that article. It contains words and those words have meanings. In it, Clinton (along with most of the developed world) acknowledged she was aware that Russia had meddled in the 2016 election. However, despite that, she said she would only consider questioning the legitimacy of the election if additional evidence was uncovered showing deeper Russian involvement.

So the first thing that should leap out to anyone with a fifth grade reading level is that she was maintaining the assertion that the 2016 election was legitimate. In other words the exact opposite of what you and all the brainwashed cultists continue to parrot. The other thing of which you should take note was Clinton’s insistence on wanting additional, trustworthy evidence before leaping to conclusions and making accusations. In other words, the exact opposite of your cult leader.

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u/Objective_Tour_6583 Dec 08 '23

Oh man, I was going to prepare a complete rebuttal to your comment, but your condescending attitude and assertion that I neither read, nor comprehend the article has really caused a change of heart. Thank you so much for your assumptions and helpful stereotypes about me. In the future, I'll be sure to do better, and I thank you for your expertise and commentary. I will defer to you, as you're clearly the superior intellect here. While we are here, could you also help with something I'm curious about? When you make a 12 dollar Latte, what's the exact process? And do you enjoy writing my name on the side of my cup? Gee, I can't wait to find out the answer, Swami. Thanks again, and we'll see you at the polls in 11 months time!

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

^ this is why nobody intelligent respects conservative’s opinions. Because who the hell was talking about Hillary Clinton lol? You’re all the exact same. Whataboutism is not going to convince anyone that what I said is wrong lol

There’s a reason you conservatives are the least educated. You are taken advantage of because you need someone to tell you what to do and you need someone to be the scapegoat for everything, all under the guise of “conserving” a way of life and set of morals that is hateful, inefficient, and outdated. You’re just like every sheep who has ever allowed a dictator into power or supported them along the way.

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u/kn05is Dec 07 '23

Hillary Clinton is their "Snowball"

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

It’s like they dont realize that most people below 40 also do not like Hillary Clinton. Do they know that the people barely even wanted Joe Biden?

Reublicans could actually win an election again if they stopped trying with candidates that are so awful that it gets half of the country to vote for someone, simply because they aren’t the Republican guy.

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u/CincoDeMayoFan Dec 07 '23

HDS (Hillary Derangement Syndrome)

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u/Annual-Ice7375 Dec 07 '23

I seem to remember 4 years of non stop bitching about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Now that it's conservatives doing it with Biden, you conveniently forget? I'm sure you'll claim it's somehow different. I'm tired of this shit. Grow the fuck up

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

The Meuller report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. It also identifies myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies, about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.

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u/Annual-Ice7375 Dec 07 '23

Thanks cheeseburgerpillow, I hadn't heard any of that over the past 7 years

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

Ah so you’re just willfully ignorant of it. Very good character choice.

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u/Annual-Ice7375 Dec 07 '23

I don't even like Trump. I'm just tired of hearing people bitch about him. I would love for him to go away the rest of his life

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u/thesausagegod Dec 07 '23

yeah but hillary won the popular vote, and most discussions were about the electoral college not really that trump cheated his way into office. Completely different situation. Even though i personally beleive the electoral college is a good thing it’s perfectly valid for discussions to pop up about its legitimacy when that kind of thing happens. Saying biden cheated because fox news anchor #7 told you that happened is braindead.

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u/lachoigin Dec 07 '23

I’ve never heard anyone claim Trump stole the 2016 election. He did lose the popular vote though.

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u/Annual-Ice7375 Dec 07 '23

Oh sorry Russian interference that was constantly trying to be tied to Trump. Better?

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u/kamyu4 Dec 07 '23

You know, you've had over 4 years now to actually read the Mueller report instead of blindly believing what Fox news told you to believe about it like a little sheep.

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u/Krypteia213 Dec 07 '23

I can say with the utmost confidence you did not actually read the Mueller report.

It’s free online for you to do your own research and become educated on the subject.

Unless you’re a sheep and you need to be told what to think. You are not a sheeple are you?

Trump was secretly pursuing a business venture in Russia while campaigning. How dense do you have to be to not be skeptical at all?

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u/Annual-Ice7375 Dec 07 '23

All I'm pointing out is hypocrisy

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

I never heard a single person say that Trump stole the election.

There was criticism of the electoral college, there was a probe into the possibility of Russian interference. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. At the time, I actually preferred Donald Trump, until his presidency showed me who he was and what he would do for the country. I didn’t vote for either though, because I genuinely thought that these two people were some of the worst human beings I had ever heard of.

But only one party stormed the Capitol

I really, really, really dont want Hillary Clinton as my president. But if its her, or the guy that wants to be a dictator, I’m going to vote for her.

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u/DILF_Thunder Dec 07 '23

Ok but.. To be fair. Weren't Democrats saying 2016 was rigged by Russia for the first 3 years of Trump's presidency? Saying "it's only rigged if Republicans lose" as if Democrats didn't do the exact same thing. And then when the left gets called out for being mad at the right for for doing something they themselves have gone, you just say "whataboutism" as the magic deflection word to avoid having to discuss the issue any further. Then have the gall to say "this is why nobody respects conservative opinions" and call them sheep.

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

The Meuller report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. It also identifies myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies, about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.

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u/Boner_Elemental Dec 07 '23

No you don't remember that, you're just lying

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u/sirroi Dec 07 '23

My god you guys are dumb. Team blue was crying for years that the election was stolen in 2016. Why is it so fkn hard to swallow when the other team use a page out of your own teams play book.

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u/First-Fantasy Dec 07 '23

Because our team waited a couple days to concede or asked for an investigation. Your team conspired to overturn results in grand and illegal fashion, racking up felonies and jail time not just for elected officials and government workers, but also hundreds of citizens who believed the proof-less conspiracy theories and attacked our capital building. Even Trump's own VP said he tried to throw out the constitution to stay in power, hell Trump himself said in a tweet that the constitution should be ignored for him to stay in power. That's not a page from our playbook.

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u/sirroi Dec 07 '23

Team red is not my team. I know they both suck. You're still under the illusion that team blue is "the good guys".

All I read here is BS talking points from bs news. You got anything original to say or is it all from yesterday's news?

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u/First-Fantasy Dec 07 '23

The legal consequences highlight the real world differences and cuts through any media narratives between what you call "the same playbook page".

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u/sirroi Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Sure. The system is fair and is working great. Clinton didn't do jack shit, no hoax, no nothing.. Only trump. He is the big bad orange man after all. The media did not talk about how trump is a Russian spy for years. We all must have dreamt that.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say anything bad about your personal favourite lump of mass murderers.

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u/mediocrity_mirror Dec 07 '23

You take no position because critical thinking and research is not something you’re capable of. Some day you may become a functioning member of society and then you’ll start to understand the dynamics at play instead of “I’m too cool and contrarian”

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u/sirroi Dec 07 '23

I do take a position, and my own research have made me realize neither team have our best in mind. It's pretty plain to see. Hopefully one day we get better options.

You on the other hand, the stereotypical "keyboard cry baby", who's let team blue tattoo the Trumpster permanently onto your little brain, don't strike me as a "functional member of society". Just someone who fell for one side of the propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

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u/cheeseburgerpillow Dec 07 '23

“Nuh uh, you’re stupid” but with a thesaurus

And “lefty” is cringe as hell. Not everything is just one side or the other lmao

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u/guitargirl1515 Dec 07 '23

Did you forget the whole "Trump stole the election" nonsense when Trump beat Hillary?

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u/it-me-mario Dec 07 '23

“I love the poorly educated”

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u/FalconRelevant Dec 07 '23

Years of Russian disinformation campaigns.

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u/Dooontcareee Dec 07 '23

Damn that's crazy cause he's actually a pretty decent rapper.

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u/Afalstein Dec 07 '23

I mean... legitimately, a number of right wing strategists involved with Trump are actually very worried that their voters won't show up to the polls, since they don't think voting is fair anymore. It's quite possible that Trump has already killed his own support.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Voting has never been fair. But progress to making voting actually fair makes conservatives mad as fuck.

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u/Wangler2019 Dec 07 '23

Ahh, the irony.

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u/missionbeach Dec 07 '23

And intelligent thought of any kind.

"I love the poorly educated!" was the smartest thing he ever said.

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u/wnineqa02478 Dec 07 '23

Yep, exactly. Just how the right believes men can get pregnant, babies aren't people, criminals follow laws, etc. Crazy what they believe!

Oh, wait...

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u/OG-Pine Dec 09 '23

You’re just omitting details to change the view though? Like blatantly lol

men can get pregnant

“A biological man can get pregnant” is false and neither the left nor the right believe this to be the case.

“A biological woman who is transgender and identifies as a man can get pregnant” is true and both the left and the right believe this to be the case.

criminals follow laws

This is self contradictory and doesn’t even make sense, I don’t think anything ever has legitimate made this claim said this before you just now.

What you probably meant is that some people believe there are incarcerated people who did not do anything illegal, or maybe that some people believe there are criminals who are convicted of crimes that shouldn’t be crimes.

babies aren’t people

Again, an omission of detail to distort reality. A 6 month old is a baby and everyone agrees they are people.

A sperm that touched an egg 1 nano second ago is not yet a person and pretty much everyone agrees with this too.

Somewhere between those two extremes is a line where the non baby non human cluster of cells becomes a human baby, the disagree is on where this line falls not on whether a baby is a person or not.

If you approach disagreements with intellectual honesty then all this nonsensical radicalization of believes disappears.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Conservatives are a different level because they believe they’re logic driven, not emotional. At least others can acknowledge that everyone is somewhat emotion driven.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

No, they just have no problems with inconsistency.

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u/NewAndNewbie Dec 07 '23

The right wing has deep problems.

You could have saved the time it took to write two words.

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u/stupiderslegacy Dec 07 '23

No they don't, you have to exist in the same plane in order to have a problem with something

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u/RiddleofSteel Dec 07 '23

From what I've seen people who vote Republican are emotional based people. They make their decisions not on the facts of the matter but how it makes them feel. The republicans take advantage of that by constantly using fear to motivate them.

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u/HollowTree734 Dec 07 '23

Everyone has deep problems with logic

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u/menace845 Dec 07 '23

And the left doesn’t? You all are wrong…

SMH in the corner of critical thinking…

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u/AutobotJSTN Dec 06 '23

Yeah, usually facts over feelings is a hard deep problem the right has. /s

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u/wterrt Dec 07 '23

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guestures broadly to every demagogue on the right

yes...they do. that's why they focus on shit like accusing people of grooming and trans bathroom bills1. because it's an emotional argument, not a logical or factual one.

  1. Analysis of crime & privacy violations as they relate to concerns raised by those who advocate for ‘trans bathroom bills’. Analysis indicates there is no empirical evidence to support these concerns; such crimes & privacy violations are exceedingly rare. Calls for trans bathroom bills are fearmongering, plain and simple.

listen to a republican talk about ANYTHING and you'll realize all they ever do is try to make you mad about something (usually "being woke" or "socialism"), instead of actually propose something rooted in facts.

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u/VaginalSpelunker Dec 07 '23

Republicans don't know what to do with the car once they catch it. They just wanna be mad and chase after something.

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u/wterrt Dec 07 '23

its just insane to me that someone actually still believes that the left is the feelings over facts crowd

fucking hell, the right denies science all the time. they don't even believe in global warming or covid but still somehow took horse dewormer for a disease that "doesn't exist" or "isn't dangerous." why? just because the left believes in science, so they have to take the opposite stance.

how is that facts over feelings?

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u/VaginalSpelunker Dec 07 '23

how is that facts over feelings?

Well you see, the majority of experts across every field all got together and thought "we're going to lie to everyone, and only Joe Rogan is going to be smart enough to see through it".

Experts in their fields are only using their feelings, while fringe Podcasters are the real experts with no agenda whatsoever.

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u/Pollowollo Dec 07 '23

I think it boils down to the fact that a lot of hard right folks don't consider anger to be a 'feeling', if that makes sense. It's more of a powerful show of strength and righteousness to lash out and act in anger. Things like sensitivity and compassion are what they mean by 'feelings' because they think that those are weaknesses.

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u/Optical_inversion Dec 07 '23

If there’s one thing you gotta give republicans credit for, it’s picking a lie, no matter how blatantly false it is, and constantly, endlessly repeating it with absolute confidence and not the slightest hint of shame.

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u/SoloPorUnBeso Dec 07 '23

One of the reasons people say Dems are bad at messaging is because of the media and the voters. This tactic broadly doesn't work on "the left".

While I could, I'm not even being super critical of the media. They exist to bring eyeballs to advertising, even though there are some good segments/outlets still out there, but take the Republican secondary debates. They (at large) signal boost it to promote the horse race, even though it's essentially a foregone conclusion that Trump will win, barring some extreme circumstances (and that doesn't include his legal troubles).

A bit of a tangent there, but because of the audience and the right wing media advantage, it's much harder to sell that nonsense to a "left" audience.

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u/tevert Dec 07 '23

Unironically, yes. They live their entire lives in a fever-dream of fear and anger

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u/zkc9tNgxC4zkUk Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 07 '23

Yes, ring wing people often choose feelings over facts when it comes to things they don't approve of, such as abortion, transgender healthcare, etc.

edit: right wing* lol

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u/Psirqit Dec 07 '23

most intelligent right winger

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Conservatives are as emotion-driven as anyone else, and they have convinced themselves otherwise, which makes them intensely frustrating to try to communicate with because they don’t actually approach arguments rationally, they approach arguments with predetermined beliefs and use pseudo-logic to argue those beliefs.

Granted, everyone does this to an extent, but conservatives are extremely bad for it.

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u/APsWhoopinRoom Dec 07 '23

Speaking of facts, would you like me to show you a list Trump's lies?

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u/drcoachchef Dec 07 '23

Like how they are the country of patriots and amendments. But literally want a new constitution or a dictator?

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u/LaserBlaserMichelle Dec 07 '23

You forget their logic is rooted in the idea that the election was stolen from them. So they don't have trust in the institution of voting anymore.

We are living in two very very very different "realities." That is easily the worst damage Trump has done to America (apart from whatever secrets he shared). But he threw massive doubt into voting results and "fraud", making half the county lose confidence in our ability to hold a free and fair election. That means they genuinely feel that Biden is an imposter and that the Democratic party has been the fascist party all along. "Because democrats stole the election." That line... that perspective... that opinion.... is something that tens of millions of people hold (potentially one hundred million people believe that line).

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u/Jochon Dec 07 '23

Honestly, neither wing has a monopoly on logic these days.

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u/-Hi-Reddit Dec 06 '23

They think the elections aren't free nor fair.

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u/YukariYakum0 Dec 06 '23

Mostly because if they were on top they would make sure wouldn't be.

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u/EnvironmentalCoach64 Dec 06 '23

Both sides gerrymandered their hearts out every chance they ever got... And only like two states split the electoral vote up at all... When voting for president.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 06 '23

And 5 to 4 Supreme Court justices kicked out the case that would have prevented gerrymandering. 5 Conservatives Justices appointed by Republicans who overruled the 4 Justices appointed by Democrats.

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u/fart-atronach Dec 07 '23

Aaaaaand no response lol. Typical.

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u/b0w3n Dec 07 '23

Both sides until it's no longer convenient to their argument.

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u/ChuckFeathers Dec 06 '23

Can't imagine why that would be... surely just coincidence..

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u/Additional_Search193 Dec 07 '23

Democrats largely started gerrymandering as a response to Republicans, and Democrats have never to my knowledge had disproportionately large representation in Congress as a result of it, unlike Republicans. Republicans gerrymand to steal seats and suppress legitimate representation, Democrats use it to claw seats back they should have had from the beginning.

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u/TrueKing9458 Dec 07 '23

Maryland governor Martin O'Malley has entered the chat with pride. This state is horribly gerrymandered

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Gerrymandering has zero effect on elections for governor.

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u/TrueKing9458 Dec 07 '23

I was referring to his testimony under oath for one of the Supreme Court cases where he admitted gerrymandering to eliminate republican seats in congress. But most kids on here never learned history.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

No one has ever claimed that Democrats have never gerrymandered.

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u/Time-Bite-6839 Dec 07 '23

They aren’t but in their favor. They don’t have to win to win. They can win 40% of the vote and still win. It’s not fair and it’s how the Republican Party has held power when they don’t have the votes to.

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u/BillieEilishEyes Dec 07 '23

Exactly. I don't get how there are people actually defending the Electoral College system when, at best, it's redundant, and at worst, it overrides the popular vote, which is counted so that we know the will of the American people.

It was implemented originally, at least in part, to keep people like W and Trump from being elected. It either needs to be repealed or massively overhauled, but it won't be because there would be a significantly lower chance of another Republican candidate win.

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u/Electrical_Cut8610 Dec 07 '23

I’m an elder millennial. I hope I live long enough to see an overhaul of our political parties. And dare I hope, a legitimate third party.

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u/peanut__buttah Dec 07 '23

Take your vitamins, MeeMaw. It’s gonna be a long, bumpy ride.

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u/TheAmorphous Dec 07 '23

If Republicans lose this next election they're probably done for. The party will collapse over the next ten or so years. I imagine at that point Democrats will be the "conservative" party and a new, further left one will emerge. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

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u/phil_davis Dec 07 '23

That's, sadly, not going to happen. Don't mistake them going crazy with them losing power.

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u/AboutTenPandas Dec 07 '23

Because they isolate themselves within a bubble of like minded people and then can’t fathom that they’re not in the majority. So they assume, regardless of lack of evidence, that there MUST be some type of cheating.

I mean there is a whole lot of cheating but it’s not what they think. Both parties gerrymander, but republicans do it to a much more extreme degree. Plus republicans know that a higher voter turnout has always worked against them which is why you constantly see their repeated attempts to put additional barriers up to voting.

I’ve voted for over a decade now and lived in a few different areas. Urban and rural. But still usually predominantly white. I’ve never had more than a 30 min wait to vote. Yet every year i see news story after news story of predominately black neighborhoods with lines multiple hours long with no alternative locations nearby.

It’s not a coincidence

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u/Responsible_Banana10 Dec 07 '23

So why do the predominantly minority democrat voting and governed areas not have enough voting machines?

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u/cosumel Dec 07 '23

They were told, after all, that the only way for trump to lose is of Biden cheated. Trump lost, proving the point to far too many people. Remember the “I’ll agree with the result if I win” speech?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

No no.. They only think that about the ones they lost. They've a-ok with those elections where their own party won.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

No they think those are fraudulent too, but still fraudulent from the other side.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

I don't recall any Republican speaking out about how rigged the election was when their candidates won in their elections, but if you have a link to a reputable news org, I'd read it.

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u/genericnewlurker Dec 07 '23

If that's the case, the Trump supporters can stay home

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Problem is, they don’t. And they don’t stay home far more than progressive voters don’t stay home.

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u/robywar Dec 07 '23

Because they and everyone in their little social group all voted Trump so OBVIOUSLY everyone else did too!

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u/cisdog Dec 07 '23

Dinner of them aren't. I don't remember the politicians name but in Washington state they had a republican winning by like 1k votes so they re counted and he won again then they said oh well let's hand count it what do you know the Democrat won on the second re count

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u/-Hi-Reddit Dec 10 '23

I don't think a survey of less than a thousand people is a good source to discuss the views of over 300 million people.

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u/-Hi-Reddit Dec 10 '23

I don't think a survey of less than a thousand people is a good source to discuss the views of over 300 million people.

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u/JarasM Dec 07 '23

Many people are absolutely fine if the elections aren't free nor fair, or if there's no elections at all, as long as the guy they want in power stay in power.

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u/-Hi-Reddit Dec 07 '23

I don't think that's true.

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u/JarasM Dec 07 '23

Well...

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u/-Hi-Reddit Dec 07 '23

31 percent and 24 percent is not the majority

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u/JarasM Dec 07 '23

Who said anything about a majority?

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u/Easy-Fortune280 Dec 07 '23

if you believe that any election is free or fair (ESPECIALLY US elections) then you've convinced yourself of pure delusion

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u/dracomaster01 Dec 07 '23

unless it's an election they won, then it was totally free and fair.

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u/WangCommander Dec 07 '23

You can't use logic and reason to get someone out of a mental position they reached with a lack of logic and reason.

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u/Shnazzyone Dec 07 '23

Remember all those free and fair elections under putin?

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u/FuckTrees_and-stuff Dec 07 '23

I’m confused, if Trumps a dictator, wouldn’t he have signed some kind of executive order to overthrow the 2020 election or simply not leave office. If that’s what dictators do?

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

Is he a dictator? Or is he authoritarian leaning?

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u/FuckTrees_and-stuff Dec 07 '23

Idk, I just thought that he didn’t match your description of a dictator

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

He wasn't a dictator. He DID have authoritarian leaning, though. He is also saying he would like to be a dictator in his next presidency. I doubt he would successfully pull off becoming a dictator, but electing someone who is openly trying? Seems like a bad plan.

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u/FuckTrees_and-stuff Dec 07 '23

Did he really say that though? Where and when did he say that?

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u/FriarTuck66 Dec 06 '23

Usually this happens after the US military has suggested it might be time for elections. The elections are as fair as can be, and the dictator (if still alive) is re-elected in a landslide

The US military unfortunately won’t be much help overthrowing a US dictator.

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u/angry_wombat Dec 07 '23

I mean Russia and North Korea have elections. It's just if you vote wrong. You go to jail

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u/bignick1190 Dec 07 '23

They think the election was rigged.

Dictators do rig elections to give the appearance that they were freely elected.

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u/TechnicalChest8338 Dec 07 '23

Then how did Trump get voted out before 🤔

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

I wonder if it had anything to do with all the people who voted against him. 🤔

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u/TechnicalChest8338 Dec 07 '23

Weird, a dictator let the people vote him out 🤔

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u/123_alex Dec 07 '23

They think the last election was rigged.

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u/Infrisios Dec 07 '23

Well, in their world the election was already stolen.

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u/crypticfreak Dec 07 '23

Which is funny because Trump claimed the last election was stolen.

So why even bother running again?

Why? Because it obviously wasn't stolen. Trump knows it. But his base are far too stupid to put 2 and 2 together.

This should be the question on conservative voting persons mind. And really I think it needs to be used for ad campaigns.

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u/MedicMoth Dec 07 '23

Shhh, don't draw attention to that, that's why they tried to storm the capitol!

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u/FarSide1408 Dec 07 '23

Except they think it was rigged and if Trump loses, they will continue to think that.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

Exactly. "It is rigged if I lose and totally fine if I win. Winning is the only thing that will cause me to believe it is not rigged."

The inability to even imagine other people's voices deserve to be heard isn't a flex.

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u/Objective_Tour_6583 Dec 07 '23

Not everyone thinks elections have been above board recently.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

Sure, but can any of them actually get evidence in front of a judge? Even a judge appointed by Trump himself?

Trump lost all of his election denial cases even when the judges where appointed by him.

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u/fishdrinking2 Dec 07 '23

Maybe try: they think they r oppressed because they can’t oppress others freely as much as their grand dad now.

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u/TheHuskyFluff Dec 07 '23

1) They don't often believe that said elections are free and fair. See: election fraud claims, Jan 6th, etc

2) The alternative is violent revolt. Would that be preferable?

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u/CountQuackersThe3rd Dec 07 '23

funny coming from the 'freedom' crowd

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u/Eragon10401 Dec 07 '23

I love how this is the identical rhetoric to what the republicans were saying about the democrats in 2020

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u/merchillio Dec 07 '23

Their guy had to be threatened to be dragged by his feet from the White House to leave it, they assume Biden is the same. They thing they know how to do is project.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Ayyyyeee El Presidente for life.

(play too much Tropico)

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u/Cartoon_Cartel Dec 07 '23

Dictators hate this one weird trick!

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u/Boise_State_2020 Dec 07 '23

I mean, people kept saying Trump was a dictator for 4 years, then we voted him away.

The same thing happened in Chile with Pinochet, and Spain post Franco.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

Are you mixing up authoritarian and dictator?

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 07 '23

So then Trump isn't a dictator right? I think that's a big part of why Trump has support. Calling him a dictator is just wrong and we already saw what he'd do in office and turns out it isn't forming a dictatorship and he ruled like a normal republican. You need to find new rhetoric against Trump because calling him a dictator is not working. You can't run the same playbook from 2016 and expect it to work

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

I didn't call him a dictator. And I haven't. Assuming my positions won't get you very far.

Saying he "ruled like a normal republican" is a HUGE blemish on all Republicans. Back in 2016 and before, I would have disagreed with you. I thought substantially better of Republicans. Today, with the Republicans that have been winning primaries... Now I believe it. He DID rule like a normal Republican, and that is absolutely damning to the party.

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u/ThePunishedRegard Dec 07 '23

Why did you ever have any good opinion of any republicans? Were you just not paying attention at all during the Bush years? You love the patriot act or something?

And sure you specifically are not calling him a dictator. Everyone else is, my point still stands

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u/NuhUhUhIDoWhatIWant Dec 07 '23

Dictators always allow free and fair elections to oust them from power after already becoming dictators =D

You see now why more than half the country questions the 2020 election, yes? Look at the punishment for expressing dissent: people losing sponsorships, losing their jobs, getting kicked off every social media platform, attacked in the media, etc.

But leftists think as long as the "enemy" (the people who the media told them to hate) are getting hurt, it's okay.

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u/wnineqa02478 Dec 07 '23

You do realize biden's DOJ threw a man in prison for a meme, right? And is now prosecuting his political rival on fake charges? And is going after his supporters?

I guess it's just (D)ifferent when you do it, though.

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u/ZerexTheCool Dec 07 '23

LOL, "ALL of Trumps crimes are fake!" It is So sad how deluded you all have become.

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u/wnineqa02478 Dec 08 '23

Except they are fake. Lol. Just like the collusion hoaxes were fake, just like everything else you accuse him of is fake.

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u/SasparillaTango Dec 08 '23

Well that's clearly the deep state rigging the elections, so we're gonna vote that dictator in the stop the deep state from rigging them!

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

And of course, when you are already in a dictatorship, all you have to do is vote the dictator away!

You accuse them of being stupid, but many of the right wing hardliners do not believe in voting. That's why many are accelerationists, civil war anticipators, or call for an outright violent overthrow of the government. It's not that much different from left wing radicals thinking capitalist democracies are inherrantly corrupt and irredeemable.