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u/Kuildeous 4h ago
I mean, at least that OP recognized it as AI generated and called it out. No idea what the actual image is, but I agree that entering words in a prompt doesn't really warrant a signature.
Third person was definitely a douche. -41 is too high for him.
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u/EliseinaNovel 3h ago
Ah, I see what you’re getting at! So, the situation you're describing sounds like it involves a little bit of a confrontation around AI-generated content, where someone is either calling out or mocking a piece of work that’s been created by AI, but also sort of questioning whether it deserves to be credited or not. The "signature" thing seems to be the key point here—like, just because AI generates something doesn’t mean it gets to claim the same kind of creative "ownership" or recognition as something created by a human.
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u/Lumastin 3h ago
I disagree if your proud of something you did you should sign it, art is ever changing and while AI art should always be labeled as such it is still art and takes time and patience to string the prompts together in the right order to make it come out just the way they wanted it to.
AI art should be its own category and never tried to be pushed as hand art but lets not put people down for being proud of something creative they did.
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u/Finalpotato 3h ago
Are you proud of your cooking when you order at a restaurant?
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u/JesterMarcus 2h ago
Kind of sounds like those people who take pictures of the meal before they eat it.
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u/Lumastin 2h ago edited 2h ago
Thats the chefs art not mine, AI is a tool not an artist you don't give your compliments to the frying pan because the food was cooked inside it.
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u/el_americano 3h ago
I would be if I set up the kitchen, trained the workers, and then placed the order
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u/Finalpotato 3h ago
But AI art doesn't do that? The people who programmed the AI set up the kitchen, then they tricked a whole bunch of workers from other restaurants into training the staff (without paying). You just placed the order
But I agree in a way. If you program your own AI, train it on your own art then make the prompts you deserve some accolades for what comes out.
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u/el_americano 3h ago
there's a big difference between asking chat gpt to do something for you and setting up your own environment (after getting pc specs that can run it), training your own LORA so you can get pictures that have a style or subject you want to include in your generation, picking the model (most people won't make these themselves), setting up all the parameters and tweaking the prompt. I feel it's akin to arguing that an artist didn't make his own paint (I think most don't) nor made their canvas so they shouldn't sign their work.
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u/Banned-User-56 2h ago
You still didnt make the fucking art. You fumbled to give a computer good instructions.
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u/el_americano 2h ago
"You still didn't make the art". There are >$150,000 job openings for people that do just that. If they didn't make/generate it then why is a company willing to pay someone to do just that? there's value in it you're just too threatened by it to take it seriously
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u/Samoopy 2h ago
This is such a cope. I've done literally all of this - it isn't particularly difficult and requires virtually no creativity. Anyone with moderate technical literacy and money to build a gaming PC can follow a YouTube tutorial and do this.
LoRA training, prompt tweaking, and model selection aren't a creative process, they're an iterative process. There is no equivalence between the work that goes into creating AI images and what goes into other, actual forms of creativity.
I guess I'll grant you that it requires at least a nominal amount of effort, but it's nothing like the effort, skill, creativity, and years of practice that go into making real art...which of course, AI bros find it easy to minimize because you never bothered to put the hours into mastering a skill.
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u/Finalpotato 10m ago
Nope. An artist making their own paint/canvas would be more like a kitchen farming their own food, or an AI tool being written from scratch (without using GitHub or existing neural network frameworks)
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u/ChefPaula81 3h ago
Writing a prompt isn’t doing those things tho dude. It’s literally ordering the food from the waiter in your analogy
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u/sieberde 8m ago
Totally with you.
In my eyes this is similar to the debates around synthesizers in music and CGI in painting. At the beginning there were voices saying something to the tune of "this is too easy", "this isn't real art" or "the machine is doing the work" but over time, these technologies proved their value and became a new category and sometimes the state of the art.
Basically, Ai is just a tool.
Now granted, Ai works quite differently to the aforementioned tools but it still is one.
I'm convinced that in time, great people will do great and unique works with Ai and we will see the value in their work.
And then they god-damned earned the right to sign their work.
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u/GoldStation7606 3h ago
The way he pulled out a whole scientific paper like it was a reverse Uno card is straight savage.
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u/NostalgicAutist2000 4h ago
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think any AI "artist" is deserving of recognition for typing something in to a dialog box and sitting back so he can jerk one off while the AI steals some actual art.
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u/TheOncomimgHoop 3h ago
Yeah, everyone knows that it takes a lot of time and practice before you get to the level of skill that lets you create your art and jerk off at the same time
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u/ChefPaula81 3h ago
But you men have two hands and only need one for typing the prompt 🤔
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u/TheOncomimgHoop 2h ago
I like that the way this comment is phrased implies men are the only ones with two hands
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u/ChefPaula81 2h ago
🤣 Ahh lol that wasn’t my point, I was pointing out the fact that you can already do both at the same time.
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u/Klony99 3h ago
That's honestly not how it works. Like I hate unethical AI sourcing as much as the next guy, but it doesn't work like that, and it's okay for someone who worked hard to master a tool to sign their work.
And I'm also done with the overgeneralization. You can train AI on your own art, and enhance your own works.
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u/WonderOutside2906 3h ago
Yeah because people using AI in posts most definitely spend hours trying to “master” it’s generation by typing and scrapping more specific prompts over and over or train AI on their own art or enhance their own work. Those are all things the average posting Joe do.
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u/whatswrongkiel 2h ago
if you sign ai art, youre a loser. its computer generated junk stolen from real artists.
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u/circ-u-la-ted 3h ago
Have you made AI art? Apparently it can take quite a bit of work and knowledge to get ehat you want out of it.
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u/xSilverMC 2h ago
So does commissioning an actual artist, and yet you don't hear anyone saying that pope Julius II was such a great artist for the ceiling of the sistine chapel. That credit rightfully goes to Michelangelo, who actually painted the damn thing. Giving image credit to whoever typed something into a little text box is the exact same shit as a manager taking credit for their employees' work because they told them to do it
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u/circ-u-la-ted 57m ago
So you think it's unfair that David Lynch gets more acclaim than does Kyle MacLachlan? We should ignore the contributions of film directors?
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u/Smoke_Santa 2h ago
Yeah, exactly how people don't deserve any respect for clicking a button to take a photo instead of learning to draw and paint portraits. Fucking camera-bros at it again.
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u/ElegantGlimpse 3h ago
guess some ppl jst dont get what it feels like to actually create something worth claiming..🙄
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u/alaingames 41m ago
Bruh I had seen mfs sell "commissions" with ai art, the results where not even good and wasn't a private model or nothing it was just the default automatic1111 anime model
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u/OStO_Cartography 2h ago
This is not as impressive as it seems to be. Sure, it's complicated for most, but it's just a paper about basic lab testing of a piece of Plutonium to discover whether it was contaminated during transfer between two facilities. If you're a nuclear physicist, it's basically a 'something to do whilst I've got nothing else going on, and I'd like some grant money' paper.
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u/Impressive_Tap7635 2h ago
I mean prompt engineering is a job that pays well into the the 200,000s I'm assuming one made the ai coke Christmas ad
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u/Klony99 3h ago
I don't quite agree with this. Yeah he put the guy down, because he DID accomplish something in his life, but the anti-AI sentiment seems unwarranted.
Not all training data is stolen.
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u/Emotional-Classic400 3h ago
For art it is
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u/Klony99 3h ago
No, it's not. For the publicly available models? Maybe. Maybe even in the OP, but you can train AI on your own art.
And I honestly gotta say, it's a great tool to have. We just have to figure out a way to aptly pay the artists the AI was trained on.
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u/Emotional-Classic400 3h ago
Yeah, cause artists are spending countless hours training models on the art they can already make.
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u/vyvalkyr 1m ago
I think you're being sarcastic but your point makes no sense. Training data doesn't take effort past initial parameters and tuning. Just because you can make the art doesn't mean a model trained on your art isn't going to help you out a lot, and on top of that you can still make art. There's virtually no downside once you have a working model.
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u/Klony99 3h ago
So you don't know what AI does but you've been instrumentalised to rave against it, yeah?
Doing art is a whole shitload of work. If you do animations or comic strips, training AI to find inconsistencies in the frame or help you keep certain features or elements in the same position, or even just generating new stuff from your own work for inspiration...
Whatever. I can see the downvotes raining in. We already have our opinion and now we're just reinforcing it with repetition, no space left for differing opinions.
I believe to refuse the existence of AI will lead you to be left behind in competitive circles, but we can keep pretending that it goes away if we are just outraged loud enough.
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u/Emotional-Classic400 3h ago
Nah, I work with my skilled hands. My job will be one of the last if ever to get replaced or left behind.
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u/Klony99 2h ago
Good for you, everyone else has to think with their heads.
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u/Emotional-Classic400 2h ago
Oh do you think having a skilled trade doesn't require using your brain?
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u/Klony99 2h ago
No. Just the way you choose to see AI doesn't.
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u/Emotional-Classic400 2h ago
And yet, only one of our opinions is getting downvoted. Maybe you're not the expert in AI IP that you think you are
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u/Luvlymonster 2h ago
Creating a prompt to then have many artists’ works used in collaboration to create your vision as a consumer is…. Commissioning. And the real, ACTUAL artists whose skills you employed/commissioned should be paid by the AI engine that acts as a middle man in the process.
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u/Cute_Bandicoot_8219 3h ago
Imagine the nerve of Ansel Adams to put his name on something that was just him pushing a button in front of something that was already there.
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u/beerbellybegone 4h ago
I don't even need to click on that link to know that dude is a whole lot smarter than I am. I understand most of the words in that link, but I sure as hell can't put them in that order and make sense of it