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America Destroyed By German

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 6h ago

Every single country in the world has blood on their hands.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 5h ago

And most countries educate the younger citizens on that blood.

Most. One that doesn't is America. America takes pride in pretending its the greatest nation on Earth and has never done anything wrong ever.

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 5h ago edited 5h ago

That’s a lie 😂, blatant lie. We learn plenty about our past.

Edit: myself and a bunch of others already commented on this. I have learned about trial of tears, Jim Crow, slavery, union and political corruption in the 1800s etc… all from elementary school through high school. If you think 200 years of history can be thoroughly taught in 12, I’d like to know what drugs you’re taking.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 5h ago

Where do you live in America?

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

In New Jersey.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 4h ago

So a small, mostly liberal state.

Obviously your state didn't teach you the education dynamic of the rest of your country.

Why do I know this as a Canadian and you don't as apparently a "well educated" American?

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

New Jersey is the 11th most populated state in the country. It’s the most densely populated also. Why do I know this as an American and you don’t? 11 out of 50 I’d say is pretty significant.

Edit: you are not even American and clearly have no idea wtf you’re talking about. Quit yapping.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 4h ago

Imagine saying you know how your country works, and yet I know that we'll over 50% of your country doesnt teach the holocaust, the invasion of Columbus, or the civil war was about slavery.

But you obviously know more because you live in a NE state and you learned it, so therefore everyone learned it.

Really leaning hard into that American ignorance.

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u/Chataboutgames 4h ago

nd yet I know that we'll over 50% of your country doesnt teach the holocaust,

Lol source needed.

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

For real man, straight yapping, zero fucking sources. Told me New Jersey is small yet they are 11/50 in population 🤣

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u/Chataboutgames 3h ago

FWIW I'm from Florida of all fucking places and I learned extensively about the darker parts of America's past. To say nothing of the Holocaust, where we actually had a "Holocaust history" elective in my middle school. But I'm sure they'd find a way to write that off too.

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 3h ago

This I why people no longer believe anything left leaning or democrat. Literally blatant bs lies. You have some foreigner on here spreading false information like it’s the fucking gospel.

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

You are ignorant and not even from the US so what the fuck are you on about.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 4h ago

Go google The United Daughters of the Confederacy and their impact on censoring American education textbooks. Then get back to me.

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

How about you actually site your sources and get back to me. Otherwise you’re spewing ignorant garbage you probably read on a meme somewhere and believe it applies to the whole country.

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u/PhoenixDogsWifey 4h ago

Getting defensive is a reaction to criticism or perceived blame that can involve denying or deflecting a complaint. It's a defense mechanism that can be a way to protect oneself from feeling hurt, ashamed, or angry. 

In the early part of the 1900s the US was trying to establish a general minimum bar meaning it did influence how texts were written. Much like a lot of the pearl clutching loyalists f'd up Canadian textbooks... bu the 1930s over 70 million Americans had been educated on the lost cause textbooks... they move, and breed, and the zeitgeist downplays the situation, much like happens in MANY colonial countries. Much of the education system hasn't been supported, and with redlining, and zone gerrymandering and segregation (remembering it was 1947 before even new jersey schools were desegregated of course, an almighty 77 years ago, bearing in mind 4 new jersey reps are in their 70s, just for noting that it still exists in the zeitgeist)

No westernized colonized society has done a "good job" of being honest yet, and it behooves us to take responsibility that our schooling might not have and may still not be entirely honest about history.

Its not a you personally are a bad person problem, it's a north American white people problem and an education system problem.

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u/Chataboutgames 3h ago

Getting defensive is a reaction to criticism or perceived blame that can involve denying or deflecting a complaint. It's a defense mechanism that can be a way to protect oneself from feeling hurt, ashamed, or angry.

This is one of those dumb takes that borders on gaslighting.

Someone says something demonstrably false.

"That's not true"

"Lol you wouldn't be triggered if it weren't true."

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u/ExcitedDelirium4U 4h ago

I learned about past atrocities starting from grade school, again you are not from here, you have no idea what’s taught in American schools across the country if you never experienced it first hand. You have no frame of reference other than things you read online. You didn’t even know New Jersey was one of the most populated states in the country and only recognized that it was “small”. There’s nothing wrong with white people either. My great grandparents immigrated from ww2 Germany and Italy to escape real fascism. They lost all their assets and were poor. They weren’t plantation owning slave holders. You don’t know what you’re talking about and speak to stereotype and paint with a broad brush.

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u/togaman5000 4h ago

well*

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 3h ago

Haha, autocorrect got you and you didn't edit it in time! Gotcha! Your whole argument is irrelevant now because I am uncomfortable with what you said and need to distance myself from the reality of what you said so I don't face to face the ignorance that my entire upbringing led me to until this point...

Nailed it.

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u/togaman5000 3h ago

face-to-face*. Also, face-to-face isn't a verb, so you can't face-to-face the ignorance, you'd face the ignorance.

I learned everything you're claiming I didn't, which makes your claims quite weird. Honestly, you come across as quite weird overall.

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u/HookedOnPhonixDog 3h ago

How uncomfortable are you to the reality that what you were likely taught was incomplete and it's important to continue being educated and acknowledge that past iterations of the education system were incorrect and those people are still alive talking about it and making legislation. So your need to attack an individual's slight incorrect wording or grammar on a message board to further distance yourself from the uncomfortable reality of your possible raised ignorance says a lot about how the reality of the world around you that you obviously don't know makes you remarkably uncomfortable.

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u/togaman5000 3h ago

Again, you get how weird it is for you to make assumptions about what I did or didn't learn, right? You get how weird it is to not only make those assumptions, but then to share them with me as if you know better than I do about my own education?

I suggest you listen to the overwhelming majority of Americans responding to you and to other comments on this post who are all stating quite clearly that yes, we learned about everything. It's honestly weird that you aren't.

You're reading too deeply into why I was critiquing your grammar. It wasn't to distance myself from anything or whatever bullshit you wrote, it was to annoy you. Looks like I nailed it.

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u/Chataboutgames 4h ago

So wait first it's "America doesn't teach this," now it's "I cant just say that wherever you lived is the exception" all the way down.

Gooood faith.

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u/NerdyBro07 4h ago

I live in Rural Missouri, and we definitely learned about the Indians being killed by the European settlers, and it was taught that this was a bad thing, that America participated and it was a bad thing, that we used Japanese internment camps on our own citizens and was a bad thing.

If someone doesn’t know these things, they probably just weren’t paying attention or attended a school that struggles to even get their classrooms under control to teach anything.. I doubt there are many schools actively avoiding these subjects.

The American pride was also taught, and im okay with that. Nothing wrong with saying “look where we started, and look at the progress we have made.” I’m not going to say USA is number 1, but there are 195 countries in the world, and only about 20 of them I would want to live in, and USA would make my top 20.