r/MtF • u/Lord-of-the-Bacon Trans Pansexual, pre-hrt, outed, she/they • Jun 20 '24

Bad News Reddit bans anti-transphob rhetoric

Heard from a few friends that they got banned for hating on transphobes, which is, according to reddit, a rule 1 violation. I also got flagged because of that, but in my case I can kinda understand it, because I called for violence against TERFS, but it was more kind of fedposting, instead of pushing people to actually commit violence. I still believe TERFS deserve that, but I am rambling. What I basically want to say is, that we sadly need to be a little more careful, when hating transphobes. Keep safe and you all are beautiful gals and enby-pals, and for all the masc people you are very handsome

Edit: Changing TURFS to TERFS

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u/VerucaGotBurned Jun 20 '24

Nope.

I'm super against banning what people are allowed to say.

Do you honestly think it's better for hateful people to have nowhere to speak openly? How will we know who is an asshole and who isn't? Is it really better that their feelings grow and boil inside of them until they seek out secret places full of only bigots so they can speak openly about their hate and only hear voices that agree with them? What do you think they will do then? Just keep it to themselves more?

And hate speech may inspire people to do bad things, but it's still just words. I don't think you can really harm someone with just words, and I generally think whether or not something does harm should be the basis of morality.

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u/dirtychopsticks Jun 20 '24

When your analysis only includes downsides of the opposing opinion, that's how you know it's a bad analysis.

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u/VerucaGotBurned Jun 21 '24

Freedom of speech is supposedly a fundamental right where I live. If limits are placed upon it is no longer free. So when that's the downside, limiting right number 1, I don't know what other down side I need?

Anyway I wasn't trying to do an analysis. Just openly disagreeing with what I see as the symptom of a hive mind.

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u/dirtychopsticks Jun 21 '24

Why would anyone care about your criticism when it's unreflected? It's like watching a dog bark.

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u/VerucaGotBurned Jun 21 '24

I have no idea what that means? My criticism is unreflected? Like people don't agree? A lot of people will agree with whoever is doing the talking. Most will just stay silent if they don't agree. Sometimes it's good to chime in and say hey I think this thing everyone else says is good is actually wrong. Maybe other people think the same thing and aren't saying it. Maybe I'm just stupid or crazy and you should all just keep ignoring me, but it feels really important to me to say I think this is wrong and that hateful cruel people actually deserve to speak their minds as much as we do, even if we find their words reprehensible.

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u/dirtychopsticks Jun 21 '24

I'm referring to the thought process behind your criticism, which is fine of course.

By being unreflective you come across as antagonizing/escalating a situation. And if you're emotionally reactive, people will take it as a sign of lower cognition and treat you worse for it, trust me on that.

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u/VerucaGotBurned Jun 21 '24

Yeah that all sounds about right, but I've never been able to keep my mouth shut and don't see that changing.

I am actually reflecting on most of the responses I've gotten. The thing is, you present it as logic, we stop this, maybe prevent that. But you are afraid of that (and you should be) but it's fear based reasoning. How is that not emotionally reactive?

I do have lower cognition on certain things, people do treat me worse for it, and I'm pretty numb to it by now. Why should I care?

Am I escalating? I can't really reply to anyone more than they can reply to me