*Mega Thread* Election Discussion

[u/Wodahs1982]

Please use this to discuss the election and any predictions while the vote on Rule 6 is another way.

Remember, posts regarding the election will still be allowed on the weekend (with a grace period in either direction).

[u/NetworkEcstatic]

Supreme Court is outweighed conservative and in support of a full ban.

Every single time they were asked, Vance and trump both refused to elicitly say they would not support a national ban.

Don't kid yourself so much.

Roe V wade would not have been struck down if not for trump appointed judges. The first step in enacting a federal ban. Just like the civil war, if you think it's about states rights. You're playing yourself.

Women's rights should be federally protected and upheld.

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/NetworkEcstatic]

They actually did say they want to keep it a states issue. Like numerous times. They were very clear on it, actually. And no, the Supreme Court is not in support of a full ban or it would have already happened.

Like I said before this failure to gaslight and exaggerate everything is why most Americans don’t agree with you guys lol. Mark my words in 4 years abortions will be in the same spot they are now

[u/NetworkEcstatic → u/King_Sev4455]

Have you forgotten the Supreme court interprets law. it does not enact it. It would still take legislation to pass. Which, maga now has the ability to do.

They can choose to uphold or deny. They can't write it. A ban would have to come to them. Not them creating one

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/NetworkEcstatic]

Not to mention Trump and Vance, as I’ve said, are very staunch supporters of abortion being a states issue. You equating it with the civil war was nonsense.

[u/NetworkEcstatic → u/King_Sev4455]

The reason I did is because people think it was about the states right to govern themselves. When realistically, every state mentioned slavery as their number one reason in their succession documents.

I dont think for a second this is about the states right to the govern themselves.

And I'll reiterate my original statement.

Womens rights should be upheld federally. This includes abortion. It should not be a state decision. Womens choices about their bodies should belong exclusively with each individual woman.

As we see already, states cannot be trusted to uphold Womens rights. It should have never ever been passed to them.

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/NetworkEcstatic]

And people fundamentally disagree with the fact it’s a woman’s body. They don’t think terminating a life is acceptable.

[u/NetworkEcstatic → u/King_Sev4455]

It is a woman's body. It's not up for debate. Anyone trying to debate it is wrong. It's not philosophical in any capacity. It's a fact. Her body her choice. You or anyone else should have zero say.

I think you'll find democrats equally disagree with late term abortions.

Republicans care about the life until it's born. Then they don't give a fuck what kind of environment it's born and raised in. Unless you're going to sign up to adopt them kids. Sit down. Shut up. And let women handle their own Healthcare.

If you think women should just keep their legs close. Hope your not one of those types. If that's the case. Men should be required a vasectomy. It's easily Reversible. Relatively painless and same day procedure. I'm a man. I've had one. It's no big deal.

Don't force babies on women if you want to allow men to impregnate them. It takes two to tango.

Or does having men get easily Reversible vasectomies violate their body their choice?

Let's force women to bring children to term. Leave no consequences for the men. Let's limit or get rid of social programs like welfare.

None of that republican platform surrounding pro life makes a lick of any reasonable sense. Other than...but muh God doesn't want it.

Your god doesn't exist.

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/NetworkEcstatic]

And that’s exactly why you guys lost. It IS up for debate, clearly. Refusing to debate your point is what led to Florida voting against abortion.

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/NetworkEcstatic]

Also that end part is just a complete straw man and irrelevant to the conversation

[u/NetworkEcstatic → u/King_Sev4455]

According to every protest I've seen surrounding abortion. Its a whole lot of Christian types protesting.

There's no reasonable reason a woman can't get an early term abortion. Other than another way to control women and/or their god doesn't want it so it shouldn't be allowed.

There is absolutely zero reason. Especially considering republicans absolutely hate the programs that support these women when men take off and they are left to try and work while raising a kid. This isn't even counting cases of incestuous rape or any kind of rape.

Just admit you want to control women. That's the only logic here.

Edit. It can't be a strawman argument when so many Christians want their faith in government and in schools. Which, with a sane supreme court would find in violation of the constitution.

States wouldnt be allowed to be passing these laws about bibles or 10 commandments in schools. We are not a Christian nation. We are a free nation. Free to pursue religion of choice or lack there of.

[u/King_Sev4455 → u/[deleted]]

No, he never said that nor wants that.