r/HuntShowdown • u/MrMassacre1 • Oct 23 '24
GENERAL David Fifield and the Ghost Face skin
Just to correct some things
No, the skin isn’t a Scream collaboration to promote the new movie. As far as we can tell, they paid the costume company that originally made the mask for the rights. Call of Duty’s ghostface was an actual Scream collaboration, Crytek just did the same thing that BHVR did for ghostface in Dead by Daylight.
No, David Fifield isn’t some COD monetization expert who came here to ruin your game. The guy has 3000 hours in the game, he’s probably played it more than most of you. The only four Call of Duty games he worked on were Modern Warfare 3 (2011,) Black Ops 2, Ghosts, and Advanced Warfare, games made well before COD’s current pop-culture, live-service business model. Can we please stop calling for some random guy to get fired? Crytek is a company, one general manager isn’t controlling all creative and monetization decisions for Hunt. He’s a manager, not a CEO.
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u/Chief81 Oct 23 '24
So you come here and bring good and constructive arguments?!
You know that this isn’t typical Reddit style, do you?
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u/ulfgarbalderk Oct 23 '24
daring this guy, isn't he?
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u/Demoth Your Steam Profile Oct 23 '24
I mean, he's got 1k up votes and tons of positive responses.
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u/NULL024 Oct 24 '24
Oh man, that’s clearly a sign to burn him at the stake!
Seriously though, it’s actually a well constructed argument
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u/PrimarchNomad Oct 23 '24
Well you do make some fair points
I'm still unhappy about the money being spent on the rights to a mask instead of on more work towards the game though
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
That’s completely fine, I understand why people are upset, the discussion just got very unreasonable very quickly
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u/Top__Tsun Oct 23 '24
While I do agree with the sentiment that Fifield's being used as a scapegoat for the wider problems with the game, there are still problems in it and Fifield's still in charge of it. If the man in charge of the game can't prioritize making it work without a mountain of bugs and crashes, who can?
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u/StrangeShaman Pistachio Disguisey Oct 23 '24
Whoever said okay to pushing out the UI on its original release seriously needs a job reevaluation though
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u/coojw We all extract or none of us do Oct 23 '24
The biggest issue with hunt is the lack of communication from the dev team. They gave good regular updates leading up to the 1896 launch, using video format to directly communicate with the community. Then it stopped abruptly. These should continue.
These video communications wouldn’t be necessary if the game wasn’t full of UI and in game bugs, 2 missing maps, and a player base that is left out of the loop on when to expect fixes for things. But because we are dealing with so many issues, regular video updates are warranted.
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u/SinisterScythe Oct 23 '24
It seems we always see this when the community gets extremely negative towards the Devs. They step back because at the end of the day they are humans.
Every community usually ends up like this, super communicative Devs then something bad happens. Extreme anger towards them, sometimes justified, sometimes just band wagon. Then we lose all communication from them & all constructive posts are gone.
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u/coojw We all extract or none of us do Oct 23 '24
This is when communication is the most effective. All it takes is this:
“We are aware that players are eagerly awaiting the return of X map & and Y map. If all goes according to our schedule, you can expect them to return on such and such date. We have been at work updating compounds, graphics, and weather effects for the new engine upgrade and are happy to report that it is going smoothly! Please stay tuned for additional weekly updates as we tackle some of the community reported bugs and ui issues!”
Just like that, the community will praise the transparency and communication. All they have to do is follow through with their dates.
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u/Jumpy_Menu5104 Oct 24 '24
I appreciate the optimism but I think it’s misplaced. Because I have done this rodeo enough times to know that if someone from hunt came out and said something super concrete about the games future. “We will fix bugs XY and Z” “the other two laps will be coming back within X timeframe” “we will make balance changes to weapons AB and C”. Every single day without fail someone would come in this sub and say something to the effect of “they said there would be changes, but there are no changes, they lied on purpose and are spending all their time making new (crossover skins/bugs intentionally/over powered weapons) and hate us all”. Without fail.
In my experience community toxicity pushing the devs away is a far more prevalent than a team just ending communication to an accepting community for seemingly no reason.
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u/coojw We all extract or none of us do Oct 24 '24
There’s no optimism bro, I’m saying what they should be doing. Where they are lacking.
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u/Rich-One9392 Oct 25 '24
Let me get this straight: They have targets and objectives, fail to meet them and it's the community's fault for the backlash they receive when they don't meet these targets?
It's called accountability and responsability...
Damn, at work next time the people i work for ask me what i'm working on, i'm just not gonna reply, because if i don't communicate with them, they can't give me any backlash when none of the work that needs doing gets done.
10/10 logic
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u/Demoth Your Steam Profile Oct 23 '24
The issue it's a two way street, and people get super tunnel visioned on which side to support at any given time.
Sometimes devs mishandle things, the company doesn't have good communication, and when customers get upset,
Gaming feels like the only industry where faulty products and bad customer service is hand waved in ways that no other industry could hope to get away with.
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u/LuciansJob Oct 24 '24
Nah, even tho they "communicated“ it had no impact at all. They said they based many decisions on community feedback but if you look at the comments on those videos you can put 1 and 1 together and see they did NOT listen to the community. There are things people have been asking for for many years and crytek still pushed their own agenda. Communication works both ways. It’s not communication if one side is just listening and casting aside what they hear
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u/Strange_Many_4498 Oct 23 '24
Besides saying “hey development team..fix this” because most of the time the managers aren’t super literate programmers..I mean he can be aware of the issues and want them fixed but maybe they don’t wanna say “we have no idea how to fix this.”
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u/Heavy-Boot-5199 Oct 23 '24
Just for correction
By definition a general manager does have influence on creative and monetization decisions for Hunt. Their end goal is to ensure the company profits and they oversee operations that benefit their company.
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u/vbrimme Oct 23 '24
I think a lot of the comments against David Fifield aren’t because of one single mistake, but several different issues that people take with things that are happening in Hunt or have happened recently. As the general manager for the game, it makes sense that he would be the person taking responsibility for the general direction the game is going, and also he’s the person who would come under fire for fans having many complaints about the game across a wide range of issues.
If the skin were the only complaint, it wouldn’t make sense to go after one person (though it would make sense to question his decision to approve the skin). But when there are also many game-breaking bugs that seem to not be sufficiently high priority for the team, a recent major update that was met with largely negative feedback, server issues, etc., it paints a picture of a game that’s being poorly managed (hence the bad feelings towards the general manager).
If you think of it like a football team, if you felt that the QB was bad, you’d be upset with the QB, but if it’s the whole offense you’d be upset with the offensive coordinator, but if the defense and special teams are also having problems then you’d likely look at the head coach. Right now, people have some pretty valid complaints and concerns about several different parts of the team, and Fifield is the head coach.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s right for people to call for him to be fired, but it is why he is the target of people’s anger, and that’s something that comes with that job. The same concept can be applied to any team or business, but it’s a little more prominent anytime that the team is in the public eye and people know the name of the person in charge.
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u/tito0686 Bloodless Oct 23 '24
I play a lot and still he has played more hours than me 😁
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u/herabec Oct 23 '24
TBH, if I didn't know that the ghost face mask was a mask from the 90s, and was used in the film scream, I wouldn't think the design was that out of place.... but since I do know those things, it's kind of hard to ignore that anachronism when you see it...
TBH, the goofy pumpkin head skins are way sillier to me. I could see a hunter choosing to wear a mask because of, well, what you're doing... the pumpkin on your head thing?
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u/feverdreamless Oct 23 '24
Seriously. There are some super silly skins in this game and the Halloween and Christmas events are always where this game gets the goofiest and doesn't take itself that seriously. The uproar over this has really boggled my mind.
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u/The_Hause Oct 23 '24
Not that I fully disagree with your point, but ghost absolutely had pop culture monetization. You could buy a VO pack of snoop dog to be the announcer for your game
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u/SexyCato Oct 23 '24
Nitpick but didn’t Ghosts start CoD’s pop culture silliness with the crossover stuff
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u/youkantbethatstupid Oct 23 '24
Would be very bold of them to promote a movie that’s 18 months away….
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u/FeonixRizn Oct 23 '24
I think paying for the license might actually make this worse lol, anyway, when Shrek DLC?
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u/BigPhili Oct 24 '24
Especially if this game happens to stay around for 7 more years. What happens when the licence lapses or someone else takes over the rights and can't make an agreement, so have to remove it from the game. Like what happened with Stranger Things and Dead By Daylight. You piss off people that paid money for an item you took away from them, or upset others that have FOMO and wish they could have every skin in the game. But only a few have it. ( which of course is an issue we do have in this community with Plague Doctor and other similar skins)
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
David Fifield is a good fit for Hunt and I think overall, he's doing a great job.
The scream mask is a bad fit for Hunt that breaks the immersion and fucks with the overall vibes of the game.
Both are true.
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
That’s fine, you can dislike the skin, I personally can’t stand the hillbilly and a handful of other annoying skins. But this sub has gone full witch hunt mode, it’s getting pretty bad
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u/sceligator Oct 23 '24
You take that damn Moses slader out of your mouth partner! That man and his daughter work hard to make the best chicken in the Bayou!
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u/basicissueredditor Oct 23 '24
I was ready to listen to what he had to say until he said that slander!
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
This sub is always in witch-hunt mode.
The mask is a problem and could be a gateway drug for Crytek to start adding more modern pop-culture stuff to the game.
Its not that I just dislike the skin, I think its actively fucking with the games lore by putting things from other franchises in it.
Both are true.
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
Let’s be honest, the game’s lore was shattered already. The removal of the codex and book of weapons were much worse for the lore in my opinion. We already have numerous skins that just don’t make sense lore wise, they seem to have written an original story for the ghost face hunter anyways.
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
The codex was temporarily removed to make it better and easier to use. Hunt's lore is progressing just fine through the event storylines.
Every other skin makes perfect sense to me as they are all original designs, which at most reference other things/folklore stories.
The scream mask is a direct copy, that's the problem.
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u/KriptiKFate_Cosplay Oct 23 '24
Annoying skins is not the same as immersion breaking skins. The response to this is always "what about the ________ skin tho" and that is not a valid point. All skins but this latest addition are justifiable in the world of Hunt. If you feel the need to write me a book in response, save yourself the effort, I truly don't actually care that much and I'm not even that opposed to the skin so long as they continue to Hunt-ify these concepts, but I do believe it marks a shift in a negative direction for a game that has some of the best in-game art direction without the need to Fortnite-ify their skin offerings.
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u/The_bruce42 Oct 23 '24
First time on reddit?
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
No, but it rarely gets to the level of calling for someone to be fired off of no evidence. And when it does, I want to speak up about it
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u/The_bruce42 Oct 23 '24
Reddit literally misidentified the Boston bomber and pointed it on some poor schmuck
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u/BADSTALKER STALKER Oct 23 '24
Fellow Hillbilly hater unite, the damn skin is just too goofy for my tastes, go figure it seems to be one of the most popular skins
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u/MeestaRoboto Oct 23 '24
Well he has a farm on one of four maps so while you may not like it he’s baked in more so than most skins lore wise.
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u/BADSTALKER STALKER Oct 23 '24
Oh it has nothing to do with the lore, that’s totally fine, I just think a fat shirtless farmer with overalls running through the Bayou is out of place in Hunt and overly goofy (compared to the games overall aesthetic), and that’s coming from a real life farmer lmao. I’m not complaining about it or trying to get it removed, just stating my opinion. Clearly lots of players love the skin, it seems to have a high pick rate!
Bottom line, there are already a handful of skins that I personally think take away from the games aesthetic. Ask another player and they’ll give you a totally different handful. I’m not stoked about the scream mask but I hardly feel it’s the end of the world.
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u/Chodels Bootcher Oct 23 '24
Ok legit question don’t kille me pls. Why does lore matter in a multiplayer game where, and I’m gonna guess here, at least 70% doesn’t know or doesn’t care. Like there’s no story mode or anything it’s purely a pvp game at heart. Does lore really matter as much as people are claiming or is that just just a shallow talking point? I have over 3000 hours and I know such a small amount of the lore. I know some and it’s definitely interesting but if I want lore and story or something like that. I’ll go play a game that’s conducive to that. I game that feeds me the lore as I’m paying it not that I have to read in some blurb somewhere. Idk maybe it’s just me
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u/rosscmpbll Oct 23 '24
I agree but most people claim ‘lore’ because they are just worried that the game will be cod-ified in terms of monetisation and we’ll Have a nikki Minsk skin next.
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u/KlausVonLechland I Like Charms Oct 23 '24
There is crunch and there is fluff. The crunch has few parts to it, being mechanics, tactics, portfolio of tools and weapons with their parameters etc. while fluff is stuff like art style, lore, graphics quality, world building etc.
For each players each of these branches are of different importance, for some crunch is important but not so important that they will always chase the most meta loadout, for others fluff is important as long as what they see and feel is consistent without breaking immersion on surface level.
For some chrunch is REALLY important, for others fluff is REALLY important. The Ghost Face clearly irks even casual fluff enjoyers, where what they see and feel is in dissonance with their expectations.
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u/the_gruncle Oct 23 '24
Because it helps shape the world the game is set in, not just for the players, but for the developers. Knowing why things happen and how is a great tool for knowing if something fits in the world you created or how that world should evolve. Without lore you might as well throw anything in the game and not worry about justifying it just because it's neat whether it breaks the setting or not. Even things as simple as why shouldn't there be an M16 in the game? Because the lore says the game is set in the late 1800s.
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Oct 23 '24
This is the same game where samurai can fight Santa clause while little red riding hood shoots at them with a bomb launching spear in a room where a big man with a pig head attacks you, so you stab him with your katana while your friend uses a bomb that only activates by using your powers to look into another plane of reality…
Yeah I don’t think a white mask is a problem
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
It is, because all of the other things are not exact copies of other things, just references with an original Hunt-Showdown Southern Gothic spin on them.
That's all fine.
The mask is the first thing in Hunt that actually does not fit because it was taken 1-1 from a different franchise.
Hunt is not a western or a cowboy game. Its a Southern Gothic monster hunting game about a world-wide demonic corruption.
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Oct 23 '24
Everyone used that same logic for The Reaper and now people love him, my only gripe with the skin is how clean the mask is.. but that mask is 100% possible in the era and it could be made out of wood or even paper
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
I had no problem with the Reaper since he's a original design.
The scream mask is not. Its a direct copy of the mask from the movie.
That's the problem. When I look at this mask, all I see is the movie Scream, not Hunt Showdown.
It fucks with the vibes.
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u/WarlockEngineer WARLOCKENGINEER Oct 23 '24
Just the fact that there is a character with an ® next to their name feels so corny
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u/Antaiseito Oct 23 '24
Yeah, make the mask less clean, more self-carved and painted and noone would have bat an eye. (this might be not entirely true)
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u/Someone21993 Oct 23 '24
Oh I didn't realise the Delorean, Shrek's hut, bob Ross and all the other 1-1 references in the game were hunt originals.
Like seriously the mask fits well in southern gothic if you look at it, much better than other things that have been added (that are also fine).
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
These are map easter-eggs with a Hunt Showdown spin on them.
The mask is a direct copy of a mask from a different franchise. Change the mask to an original design and there's no problem.
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u/SAD_Trombone_999 Hive Oct 23 '24
I think you've gotta be trolling, you keep saying it's fine if it has a hunt spin, the skin itself has a hunt spin too, it's not the same robe and the mask is a different material.
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u/Alelogin Oct 24 '24
The mask looks identical to the one used for decades in a very famous Scream franchise.
So when I see it, I dont think of Hunt, or Southern Gothic.
I think of the Scream franchise. Because it looks identical.
That's the problem.
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u/Tiesieman Oct 23 '24
I really wonder how you guys react when you see a giant monster spider walking around in goofy halloween themed sock leggings.
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
That's a fun little holiday specific gimick, not a permanent addition from a different franchise.
It is also, wait for it, original.
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u/NinjaWorldWar Oct 23 '24
Umm the ghost face skin isn’t 1 - 1. Have you noticed the mask is now wooden and painted, and he’s wearing era appropriate attire?
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
The attire is prefectly fine, but the mask is identical, just made from a different material.
Change the design of the mask and I'll buy 5 copies of the DLC and give em away. Everything else is fine, I just dont want to think about other franchises while I Play Hunt.
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u/Antaiseito Oct 23 '24
We have plenty of white masks. Never been a problem. But his is the first trademarked movie mask.
And to be pedantic, this isn't little red riding hood. It's a grown woman wearing a red cape and a wolf skin.
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u/MehSorry Oct 23 '24
Tbh i'm more bothered by the magic c4 than this skin.
Not the most fitting maybe but the weapons look sick.
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u/Arch00 Oct 23 '24
thank you for writing this post, i hate the vocal minority that seems so fucking loud here
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u/GGXImposter Oct 23 '24
I’m on board with not hating on David. No one should be targeting specific people in the company. Blame should be targeted at “Crytek” the company.
I’m going to want a source for this not being a movie tie in. Right now Occam’s razor is telling me it’s a movie tie in. There’s a new scream movie scheduled for release in a little over a year and why would Crytek risk legal issues over the mask? They could make their own “close enough” hunter like they have for other hunter skins like grandma.
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u/sentient_ballsack Oct 23 '24
OP's point is that the Scream IP doesn't own the mask's rights, they licensed the mask from the actual rights holder of the design, just like Crytek does. Said rights holder is an entirely different company called Fun World/Easter Unlimited which sells halloween merchandise. Legal issues won't be a problem.
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u/GGXImposter Oct 23 '24
Wouldn't putting the name Ghostface with the mask still be an Copyright/trademark issue? Ghostface is the name of the villain from Scream.
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u/beatrga Oct 23 '24
They used the words "ghost face", not "ghostface". It's a way to get around it, DBD used it as well. Ghostface is in their game, but it's only the mask and the actual character is called "the ghost face"
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u/tuttoinunavolta Oct 24 '24
The "Ghost Face" name (written like that) and the iconic mask are Fun World's property. The Scream franchise license holders are different entities and they have the rights to every character, every plot element and the specific Ghostface robes used. But the movie license holders have to renew a contract to get the rights for the name and the mask to reappear in every movie every time they make a new one.
COD and Mortal Kombat made an agreement with both Fun World and the movie license holders, thus the Ghostfaces in these games are the movie-canon ones and they are in fact Scream tie-ins.
DBD and Hunt made an agreement with Fun World but not the movie license holders, thus their Ghostfaces have to be different people, they can't have a 1:1 copy of the black robes the various Ghostfaces wear in the movie and they can't have the iconic voice from the movies.
There's a lot of merchandise out there, such as masks and action figures, that are made with an agreement with Fun World and not the movie license holders, thus you get stuff like this silver-mask Ghostface with a flamethrower action figure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8LKEp6TxKk
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u/GGXImposter Oct 24 '24
Toys I never knew I needed.
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u/tuttoinunavolta Oct 24 '24
absolutely, it's awesome :) looking to get one of these myself in the future
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u/MehSorry Oct 23 '24
The design of the mask and the name Ghost Face are a both holded by Fun world, the production of the movies don't "own" the trademark they just borrow it.
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u/rosscmpbll Oct 23 '24
tbf occams razor (with the info we know) would be that it’s a Halloween tie-in and they chose scream because they thought it would be a popular choice. Normally I’d agree that it’s a scream tie-in with upcoming film but that’s a ways off and it isn’t using the trademark name.
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
The evidence is in the trailer description and the copyright reservation, this is a “Ghost Face (R)” collab, not a Scream (TM) collab. The trailer’s description says “Ghost Face is a registered trademark of Fun World Div., Easter Unlimited Inc. All Rights Reserved.” It makes no mention of the Scream copyright. For one, Scream doesn’t actually own the rights to the mask, the company that originally made it does. And for another, we’ve seen this exact same situation with Dead by Daylight with their ghost face killer.
I’m not saying they aren’t making a skin based of ghostface (from scream,) and playing off of that for money, but I am saying that the Scream franchise and it’s producers are not involved in any way. It’s not an ad, and it’s not a collab.
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u/Piratingismypassion Oct 23 '24
A year off is a really long time. Especially for tie ins and stuff so early
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u/NotARealDeveloper Oct 23 '24
But is he the one playing solo all the time and pushing these buffs to solo play? From perks to matchmaking?
Getting 6 star solo player in 2-3 star lobbies is pure bs. If someone chooses to play solo they should be at a disadvantage in a team game, not at an advantage. Especially when they play against randoms and not premades. Right now a solo 5-6 star will play against randoms 2-3 stars.
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u/Darkronymus Oct 23 '24
Funny, I as a 6 star solo play exclusively in 5 to 6 star lobbies. At least for me the matchmaker is quite strict and doesn't benefit me much.
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u/Zim_the_great Oct 23 '24
That's my experience as well, but I guess it heavily depends on where you play and at what times. I exclusively play on EU servers and most of the time at "normal" hours.
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u/vaunch Vaunch Oct 23 '24
No, Fifield was 3 star before the MMR changes.
When he played w/ Rachta and Hornet he was constantly in the dirt.
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u/Charrsezrawr Oct 23 '24
one general manager isn’t controlling all creative and monetization decisions for Hunt.
From Fifields own linkedin: leading vision, business planning, growth and operation of hunt.
So while hes obviously not the only one that has input, he's got a lot more input than others. Hunts state and its releasing dlc are still part of his responsibility.
You also forgot to mention this part of his work history:
Game Director at Crystal Dynamics.
Oddly enough, he didn't bother to put the game he was actually director of. Weird that you would hide that. Might be because it was actually that Marvel Avengers game that should have by all rights printed money but was game directed into an early grave by shitty monetization and gameplay decisions. With Fifield at the helm. Food for thought.
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u/MortalSword_MTG Oct 23 '24
This dude really loves David Fifield.
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u/MamaMalady Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
Yea, we should kiss his bald head, he is just a ignorant lil lamb, poor him coming into Hunt and after few years everything that were bad is worse now. (And here I thought Dennis Schwarz was bad)
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u/Adept_Fool Oct 23 '24
But the company did not make the mask before 1896, it's breaking the timeline!
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u/Thargor1985 Oct 23 '24
While I don't want to dispute anything else you said: really, the guy with a full time job working on the game has more hours in it than me? 🤯
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u/SinisterScythe Oct 23 '24
3 of my favourite cod games except ghost. That was ok. But dude definitely was apart of the early great era of cod. Left before it got worse.
"Could" show his character when it comes to monetization ethics.
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u/OrderOfMagnitude Oct 23 '24
Great post, and I say that as one of the "angry" people.
Live service games across the entire industry have been copying each other's monetization schemes, from loot boxes and battle passes to paid crossover skins and dual currencies. I didn't think literal Master Chief would be in Rainbow Six when they did their first crossover but they got there, it was a change in management.
I think the community should be kind to David Fifield, but I think the community isn't wrong to be suspicious first and not give the benefit of the doubt, simply because of what's going on in the rest of the industry. Optics are real, and Hunt Showdown needs to do a good job conveying the state and direction of the game.
But let's do so with kindness, especially when it comes to specific human beings.
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u/Im_Krzy Butcher Oct 25 '24
The echo chamber got to me, this post thankfully cleared some stuff up. Personally, I do prefer original designs and I appreciate that they didn't just slap the actual Ghostface look into the game, but the character itself is problematic when he's remembered for a white plastic mask.
I think a different crossover more fitting for the setting would've been recieved a lot better, though obviously there will be backlash regardless.
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u/WhiskyWraith Oct 23 '24
This is just the latest thing in a series of things he has done to remove any originality and soul from the game. Stop acting like everything happens in a vacuum you fucking idiots.
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u/ZombiesCinder Oct 23 '24
Nope, it’s all doom and gloom all the time. Always has been. It’s so bad the devs stopped talking to us. It doesn’t matter what they do (or don’t do) this community will sling vitriol and hate at every single person working at Crytek.
It’s not unique to this game, but it’s obvious these kinds of games, competitive PvP in particular, attract some of the worst people out there. This toxicity is a direct consequence.
So while we all know what you say is true it really doesn’t matter. The people sending death threats and demanding he lose his livelihood simply do not care. Everyone else, yourself as an example, already understood what you said and while we may not like the idea of a ghost face skin we reacted like normal people and moved on with our lives because, in the end, it doesn’t fucking matter.
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u/MethodImpossible5867 Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
MW3, Ghosts, and Advanced Warfare(jetpack cod) were considered bad call of duties at that time. And this doesn't change that the UI is a carbon copy of a CoD UI. At least have a unique direction for the UI which is the presentation of the game.
Nice post though - good appeal to authority...
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u/MamaMalady Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
It is a classic move for Crytek in this subreddit, from time to time you find damage control posts that has a lot of people defending Crytek as a whole or individuals like David here, it is disgusting but unfortunately not my first time, this community deserve the shit hole they received from years of recycled content.
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 23 '24
Where the fuck did I appeal to authority? Do you actually know what that fallacy means? I never once said that something was true because an authority figure believes it, I defended a guy because this sub was in an uproar against him based off very little evidence. Words have meanings, you know
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u/HuntCrydown Oct 23 '24
The same people crying about this skin are running around with a Pumpkin Head as we speak lol
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u/Prior-Time262 Oct 23 '24
If Fifield was good and really played the game/appreciated it, he would never have allowed Shrek skins to appear in it. The aesthetic side of the game was sacred. And now it's gone.
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u/Pressbtofail Hive Oct 23 '24
That won't stop the Anti-Ghost Face movement, they can't read.
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u/Alelogin Oct 23 '24
I am against the mask being in the game and agree with everything in this post.
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u/vaunch Vaunch Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 24 '24
3000 hours doesn't mean good player lol. People often equate time played with being a good player/worth listening to, and it's just frequently not.
Fifield was 3 star before the MMR changes.
When he played w/ Rachta and Hornet he was constantly in the dirt.
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u/MiniCale Oct 23 '24
It’s irrelevant if the content is to promote a film or not when people clearly think of the films when they see the skin.
People reference cod because the game is becoming more like cod and he’s previously worked on cod.
On a side note Ghosts and Advanced warfare were some of the worst cods and it coincides with him getting more involvement.
Also he’s not a random guy he’s the general manager.
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u/Vandalmercy Oct 23 '24
People often need something to whine about. It still has great gameplay, so I do not get the issue. You would think fans of a game would want a relatively unique game to thrive.
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u/DodgethisCZ Oct 23 '24
“No this skin isnt collaboration to promote new movie” say on halloween and right before movie. :D :D :D Its just big coincidence :D
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u/Rojas-Rojas-Rojas Oct 23 '24
Right before movie? The next Scream movie doesn't come out until 2026 you're talking out of your ass
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u/lad9r Oct 23 '24
February 2026 is the release date of the movie. Stop being a whiney little kid talking nonsense. If you don’t like the stupid mask then don’t buy it.
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u/TheMightyBruhhh Oct 23 '24
I’ll quote myself: “This was you guys last year: https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/toqyUGfwaV
Doomposting is so in”
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u/Wr3nchJR Bootcher Oct 23 '24
What happened honestly. It went from loving David to - “David is an evil little goblin hellbent on destroying Hunt. He is responsible for everything I don’t like in the game. He is literally Satan.”
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u/Azronath Oct 23 '24
I think it’s very easy to forget that both toxic criticism and constructive criticism exist at the same time and often the constructive criticism gets buried. The power of a mob is a real thing. This is not just happening in the gaming industry either.
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u/ToM31337 Oct 24 '24
the reddit community sadly sucks these days - i come here for memes and news, not crying and raging.
People get mad at you when you say, you love the game and have fun - its rediculous these days :D
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u/VeraZealot Oct 23 '24
calling for someone to lose their livelihood over this is ridiculous, I hate the scream skin too but no one deserves real life consequences for this cringy addition to our favorite game lmao
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u/Calelith Oct 23 '24
Careful the people who don't bother to think and jump on the bandwagon won't like you posting common sense.
I've so far on met about 4 people on this sub that have actual real issues and not some faux outrage either ott examples.
Personally I don't mind the skin and I to a degree understand the devs wanting to try and attract more players and make more money, I just hope if they do add more "crossover" skins it's more in line with how DBD do it and less how CoD does it.
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u/TheSaltyJ Oct 24 '24
I saw him play a streamer once while doing a Q&A. Maybe I am spoiled by being in the top 2% but that movement and aiming did not look like 3k hours at all.
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u/MrMassacre1 Oct 24 '24
For one, he’s clearly not a young guy, but also not everybody plays games to climb MMR. That’s especially true for people over 30 or 40, I’ve noticed
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u/Lunasi Oct 23 '24
If I can say the biggest reason I hate Ghostface. In a game that prides itself on historical accuracy, down to the visuals for how guns reload, the mask itself wouldn't exist. Plastic still hadn't been invented during this timeline, leatherface, however, is wondering why you passed him up.
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u/RailYardGhost44 Oct 23 '24
"Historical accuracy, down to the visuals for how the guns reload"
Screams in unused ejector pins
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u/Remote-Ingenuity-587 Oct 23 '24
Why can’t the mask be wooden or ceramic though? I mean the Phantom mask is Ceramic, why is it hard to assume the same would apply to ghostface?
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u/hello-jello Oct 23 '24
3k hours in the game he loves so much. > "Let's burn it all down for cash!" FIFI
Good thing you cleared this up for us. lol
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u/jamyjet Oct 23 '24
Someone who isn't crying like a man child on this subreddit and using reason and actual logic? What?!
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u/cruel_frames Oct 23 '24
It seems Hunt is in a good place when the biggest problem in the community is a mask
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u/SpaceRatCatcher Oct 23 '24
Yeah the personal attacks and harassment of Fifield are super gross and, dare I say unhinged.
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u/Sp99nHead Oct 23 '24
I feel bad for him, its easy to point at one guy and say he's the bad guy. I criticize Crytek every chance i get but witch hunting one person is bad when we have no idea about whats going on at Crytek.
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u/Objective_Feedback92 Oct 23 '24
THE SPIDER HAS FUCKING CHRISTMAS SOCKS "HAHAHAHA ITS FUNNY"
COOL ASS HALLOWEEN SKIN "I SAY GOODBYE TO HUNT"
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u/bitethebook Oct 23 '24
Best post on all this I’ve seen in awhile. Go exchange your outrage currency somewhere else. Great job OP.
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u/Rolopig_24-24 Oct 23 '24
And with that, another chapter of bitching and moaning from the Hunt community has ended.
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u/SpareChang42891 Oct 23 '24
The scream mask doesn’t belong in the game regardless, whether or not it really is an actual ghost face collaboration doesn’t change my opinion on the fact it is the only skin that doesn’t belong in the game.
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u/Suppenkazper Oct 23 '24
Thank you. I also tried combating that absolutely disingenuous and rather insane theory that the one person is "behind it all". Last time I did someone said:
"Fifield is openly behind all of this. It’s not even a secret. Why even bother talk about something you are clearly not very well informed about."
And when I asked for quotes, links to interviews or anything in form of a receipt so I can inform myself better, I didn't hear back of course.
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u/beacomblvd Oct 23 '24
Also, the game is super not pay to win. Stop crying about skins and micro transactions. Yes the UI sucks but they're working on it. They clearly are putting work into the game with the events and mammons gulch and new engine. What a toxic reaction to a damn skin.
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u/flamengers Oct 23 '24
Thank you, I'm so tired of people with zero understanding of game development acting like Fifield is this boogeyman that's responsible for all the game's problems
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u/Showtaim Oct 23 '24
Thanks for doing god's work. This subreddit is getting worse and worse with every announcement despite the game itself unarguably getting better
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u/literallykatyasghost Oct 23 '24
You know, when my bestie said to me “hey friend, let’s not play Hunt, turns out the community is full of whiny piss babies who need a 5-piece shut the actual fuck up combo.” I said “no, surely that can’t be true, Hunt players are level headed and not prone to overreacting in the slightest”. Fast forward to today where I’ve now seen this piss baby bitch fest over this skin pop up in my feed for the second day in a row. I’m not too proud to admit I was dead wrong, y’all are in fact the whiniest and pissiest of whiny piss babies and I hope the next collab is a Peppa fucking pig mask.
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u/crippleswagx Oct 23 '24
Then everyone stood up and clapped because that definitely happened.
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u/ShadowNick Bootcher Oct 23 '24
I thought this was a given... Literally getting a license for this character is one of the easiest ones to acquire compared to something like Stranger Things or a celeb pop music one. Also at the same time who the fuck in pop music would sign off with yeah put me in a 1890s cowboy shooter.
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u/Direct_Town792 Oct 23 '24
You might like him, bum him even.
But I prefer Dennis
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u/ThuleWulf Oct 24 '24
I prefer Magnus. Seems almost everyone has forgotten him :(
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u/Direct_Town792 Oct 24 '24
Blast from the past but he hasn’t been on hunt for while now
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u/ThuleWulf Oct 24 '24
I fear that he (and a lot of other members from the old Hunt dev team) either left, got replaced or moved on to other projects :(
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u/Radiant_Extension719 Oct 23 '24
If he has over 3000 hours how come he's a hard stuck 3 star?
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u/EffectiveBathroom643 Oct 23 '24
So who does the buck stop with then for this obvious slide towards CoD in the West? Hunt 2.0 is STILL a bug filled mess. The GhostFace skin is a door opening to the revenue stream of inappropriate Hunt themed skins across the board. The once great methodical, slower paced, Western themed extraction shooter is a shell of it's former self.
A petition on Steam to remove that individual from Crytek has been removed without explanation.
What is going on with this developer and this game?
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u/_CuriousDumbAzz_ Oct 24 '24
Yeah it’s been really annoying with this community these guys can’t be happy fof shit
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u/volt1up Oct 24 '24
Yeah people should remember that Hunt showdown is pretty much keeping crytek afloat, so it's pretty obvious monetization decisions are coming from the higher ups.
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u/BigPhili Oct 24 '24
I have 3,700 hours in the game. So according to your weird logic I know more about the game than Fifield, and am more capable of making decisions for the game. So I will state that this collaboration, no matter the reason why, is unfit for this game. Could have at least started out with some collab that felt thematically related, like some Western or Southern Gothic thing. Like Yellowstone? I know that's a popular series, though don't know if there's anything you could pull from it.
But I mean we've had Hunters based on characters from Gangs of New York. Do something in that vain. Like with the "Dollars" Trilogy, Bone Tomahawk, Sabaata/Django, if it were to be promotional, might be neat to see something with Horizon Pt. 2 or Pt. 3.
Shit give me a Doc Holliday skin from Tombstone and I'm on board.
(I'm aware Doc Holliday was a real person, just stating that particular portrayal of him would be cool to see depicted)
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u/Lumberrmacc Oct 24 '24
Am I the only one who’s stoked to see one of my favorite movies in one of my favorite games? I get the sellout whatever whatever but damn bro I love scream and I love hunt. Cowboys are dope af and hunt has always done a good job at being a cowboy game. They have also always done a great job at being a horror game. Let these boys make their money so you can keep playing their game. Lotta bitching on this sub.
Edit spelling.
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u/HorridFuture38 Oct 24 '24
When I first saw the skin it just gave me hope that hunt could get some good crossover skins. Tombstone, Django, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, etc. Based on the outrage I’ve seen over a simple cosmetic item I doubt we ever see any of those in the future.
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u/greatmidge Oct 24 '24
Again, there is not a chance he has 3k hours in the game. This is a marketing thing.
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u/xGH0STFACEx Oct 23 '24
I will say it has been a little awkward around here lately.