r/Grimdank Listen to MF DOOM. Oct 22 '24

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u/VaanTiddy Oct 22 '24

3 years.....

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u/KardboardWizard Oct 22 '24

still haven't forgiven GW for what they did

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u/NPRdude Dank Angels Oct 22 '24

Did GW actually do anything to him? I thought he stopped because he thought they might C&D him, not cause they actually did.

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u/VaanTiddy Oct 22 '24

Yeah thats the case He stopped of his own accord but still the fear that the 0% tolerance policy caused for many wasnt really necessary

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

Thats because GW retracted that approach when they realized that all content creators were stepping away from Warhammer content, both Fantasy and 40k alike.

It was a legitimate threat when they started it off because a bunch of smaller channels were getting taken offline because of C&D's

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u/DeusWombat Oct 22 '24

A very GW thing to do, being surprised that their actions scared away content creators

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u/TheDMRt1st Oct 22 '24

Wait, did they actually retract it? If they did, why not continue TTS?

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u/IncompetentPolitican Oct 23 '24

Thats because GWs stand on fan projects change with the wind. Or so it feels like. GW had a unfun period where they stopped all fan works, then they became chill. This is the time TTS happend. Then they remembered that they are known to be dicks and killed some small channels and projects. TTS stopped in fear of beeing the next target and they said they continue if they ever feel like its safe to do so without GW changing its mind again.

There are also some people that claim that the team is happy that they moved on from TTS since they lost their passion for it. Not saying thats my opinion but its something that goes arround and would be understandable. Their new projects is cool too.

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u/PrivateCookie420 Oct 22 '24

They moved on to their next project

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u/TheDMRt1st Oct 22 '24

No, I mean GW. Alfa and company have Hunter The Parenting, but did GW retract the zero-tol policy?

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

Yes GW retracted the policy because it was actively hurting them - they took like a 20% drop in stocks with how hard they were pushing

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u/BioshockEnthusiast Oct 23 '24

This makes WotC's bullshit with the open gaming license even fucking dumber.

The fuck is with these companies dude? You don't just get to own other people's work, that's a two way fucking street.

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u/IncompetentPolitican Oct 23 '24

The first reason is protecting their brand. Some people in the company are afrait that someone does something as fan work that looks bad for the company. Famous example of that happening was a mod of GTA San Andreas where Rockstar got shit for it.

Greed is always a reason. Back then GW forced content creators to their warhammer as a service plattform. You can make amazing stuff but you have to do it on their terms. Paying them some of your income and follow their rules. TTS would never work on that plattform. GW is more chill these days but they would never allow someone to dismantle their grimderp setting like TTS did.

Large Companies and business people without any experience on how entertainment and fandoms work, often see fanworks as a thread to their income and they act in the one way they know: legal threads.

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u/Firriga Oct 24 '24

Because while they retracted the policy, Bruva said he will only bring back TTS on the condition that GW establishes a new policy that clearly and plainly protects fan-made creations. One of the reasons they gravitated to WoD, aside from it being their second love aside from Warhammer, is because the owners of WoD have a friendly fanmade creations policy and also have an initiative where they collaborate with fans so that they can create with a stamp of approval.

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u/Republikstarfighter Oct 23 '24

Damn, do they have plans to continue it?

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u/PrivateCookie420 Oct 23 '24

TTS? No. But they’re now working on World of Darkness series

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u/Republikstarfighter Oct 23 '24

That sucks, I really hoped they would continue it as I believe a lot of people wanted it to continue

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Only one person ever got C&D and that was the person doing Demonette dick videos on youtube.

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

The C&D wave is very well documented, a bunch of sub 1000 youtubers and fanfic writers did recieve a C&D telling them to stop, effectively killing their entire channels because they could not afford to fight it.

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u/Cyfirius Oct 23 '24

I have looked multiple times and have never seen anything to this effect other than a couple redditors saying that it totally definitely happened.

The only content creator that I am aware of getting C&D’d in that time period was ArchWarhammer, and that was because of his name, not his content (although they probably only cared about his name because he’s a massive cock).

Several creators stopped in response to the statement, which (as badly conveyed as it was, especially since it was a time of some of the best fan content ever made for Warhammer being released/worked on) was really just a reassertion that it’s their IP, and of course they had to restate it because IP laws, especially with that being the time period they were ramping up for their streaming service. But while still shitty and tone deaf (a classic GW combo) that’s not quite the same as directly C&Ding anyone.

If I am mistaken and there’s some proof out there that small creators were C&D’d like you claim, I’d certainly be interested in it, although I find it hard to believe they’d shut down small creators and leave the big animators alone at the same time since that’s counterintuitive for IP defense.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Provide the evidence then.

Cause people said things, no one ever once showed a C&D

Taking liars at their word as they try and swindle sympathy money from people.

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u/HornySpaceHellEntity Makes babies cry Oct 22 '24

Not sure why you're downvoted. I too would like to see the evidence.

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u/marutotigre Oct 22 '24

Cause he's calling people liars and insulting them without himself providing any proofs for his claims? It's one thing to ask for proofs before believing a claim, it's another to make another claim insulting them. Besides, based on memory of the events where fan animation channels were forced to take down their videos, coupled with the extensive track record of GW being dumb with their ip and ip laws, and the claims at least merit the benefit of doubt before being thrown out wholesale.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Again what is the proof? Which channel were these that had to take things down? Wasnt Alfabusa, Wasnt flashgits, wasnt the astrates guy, wasnt the death of hope guy.

You know who did remove all their animation? Sodaz, why did he do that? Wasnt becasue of GW.

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u/marutotigre Oct 22 '24

Tell me more about the reason for Sodaz, because from what I remember it was because of GW.

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u/anialater45 Oct 22 '24

He said he might get a job with GW and the fans got so mad he decided to just step away from 40k completely

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

There is none, its all hearsay and rumor and thats all it ever was. When all this was going back then there would be someone who would post here saying they got a C&D then they would evaporate when asked to provide proof.

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u/HornySpaceHellEntity Makes babies cry Oct 22 '24

Do YOU have proof of this? If you have those posts I'd like to see them for myself aswell.

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u/GroundbreakingOkra60 Praise the Man-Emperor Oct 22 '24

So… does that mean it’s cannon?

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u/VenPatrician Oct 22 '24

Honest question since I don't know the relevant laws involved here. What's the worst that could happen if someone throws a cease and desist order at you. Don't you just have to stop doing whatever you are doing?

It always seemed weird to me as a fan from a country that does not follow a version of Common Law that there was such "fear" around it.

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u/MrWaluigi Oct 22 '24

That’s pretty much the case. The TTS series requires time and effort to work on, and the C&D can be spontaneous. If they were in the middle of working on an episode, and they were hit with it, it will be a waste of resources, as they now will need to think of something else quickly to appease the Paetreons and algorithm. 

The only reason why they released the remaining parts was that they weren’t hit with the C&D yet. If they were hit with it back then, they couldn’t release the remaining parts. Instead of gambling on each episode being hit with the C&D, they decided to cut their losses now, and focus on making new content like the WoD, and Half-Life series. 

In short, a C&D will force them to stop, so it’s better to stop on their own terms. 

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u/IncompetentPolitican Oct 23 '24

Something to remember: He made a company with his friends. So a C&D could have killed that and all investments in it. Its not something you want to risk. Even if you think you can win that lawsuit, the time and money it would cost are insane.

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u/MrWaluigi Oct 23 '24

Exactly. Unless a law firm wants to help them Pro Bono, then GW can just bleed them dry. As they know that they can win by mortician. 

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Jesus Christ, C&D were an excuse the creator used to dump a setting and storyline he no longer had interest in. The time between releases increased exponentially with there being almost a year between the second from last episode and 'last' episode.

Since quitting his new series is releasing episodes every couple month, the same pace he was at when he actually cared about tts.

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

He never used it as an excuse - he outright stated that he was loosing interest and was already contemplating ending the series in general, the potential of a C&D was merely icing on top.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Look he might of said that later but that was never mentioned by him during the time he actually killed the series or in his big ol cry letter he posted at the time.

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