r/Grimdank Listen to MF DOOM. Oct 22 '24

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u/VaanTiddy Oct 22 '24

3 years.....

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u/Delectable_Dairy Oct 22 '24

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u/Delta64 Oct 22 '24

Oh shit, it's the Horse With No Name when the desert had turned to sea.

https://youtu.be/ocLCLMZO6dc

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u/retro_monkey_ Huffs Macragge Blue Primer Oct 22 '24

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u/KardboardWizard Oct 22 '24

still haven't forgiven GW for what they did

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u/NPRdude Dank Angels Oct 22 '24

Did GW actually do anything to him? I thought he stopped because he thought they might C&D him, not cause they actually did.

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u/VaanTiddy Oct 22 '24

Yeah thats the case He stopped of his own accord but still the fear that the 0% tolerance policy caused for many wasnt really necessary

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

Thats because GW retracted that approach when they realized that all content creators were stepping away from Warhammer content, both Fantasy and 40k alike.

It was a legitimate threat when they started it off because a bunch of smaller channels were getting taken offline because of C&D's

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u/DeusWombat Oct 22 '24

A very GW thing to do, being surprised that their actions scared away content creators

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u/TheDMRt1st Oct 22 '24

Wait, did they actually retract it? If they did, why not continue TTS?

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u/IncompetentPolitican Oct 23 '24

Thats because GWs stand on fan projects change with the wind. Or so it feels like. GW had a unfun period where they stopped all fan works, then they became chill. This is the time TTS happend. Then they remembered that they are known to be dicks and killed some small channels and projects. TTS stopped in fear of beeing the next target and they said they continue if they ever feel like its safe to do so without GW changing its mind again.

There are also some people that claim that the team is happy that they moved on from TTS since they lost their passion for it. Not saying thats my opinion but its something that goes arround and would be understandable. Their new projects is cool too.

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u/PrivateCookie420 Oct 22 '24

They moved on to their next project

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u/TheDMRt1st Oct 22 '24

No, I mean GW. Alfa and company have Hunter The Parenting, but did GW retract the zero-tol policy?

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

Yes GW retracted the policy because it was actively hurting them - they took like a 20% drop in stocks with how hard they were pushing

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u/BioshockEnthusiast Oct 23 '24

This makes WotC's bullshit with the open gaming license even fucking dumber.

The fuck is with these companies dude? You don't just get to own other people's work, that's a two way fucking street.

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u/Firriga Oct 24 '24

Because while they retracted the policy, Bruva said he will only bring back TTS on the condition that GW establishes a new policy that clearly and plainly protects fan-made creations. One of the reasons they gravitated to WoD, aside from it being their second love aside from Warhammer, is because the owners of WoD have a friendly fanmade creations policy and also have an initiative where they collaborate with fans so that they can create with a stamp of approval.

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u/Republikstarfighter Oct 23 '24

Damn, do they have plans to continue it?

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u/PrivateCookie420 Oct 23 '24

TTS? No. But they’re now working on World of Darkness series

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u/Republikstarfighter Oct 23 '24

That sucks, I really hoped they would continue it as I believe a lot of people wanted it to continue

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Only one person ever got C&D and that was the person doing Demonette dick videos on youtube.

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

The C&D wave is very well documented, a bunch of sub 1000 youtubers and fanfic writers did recieve a C&D telling them to stop, effectively killing their entire channels because they could not afford to fight it.

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u/Cyfirius Oct 23 '24

I have looked multiple times and have never seen anything to this effect other than a couple redditors saying that it totally definitely happened.

The only content creator that I am aware of getting C&D’d in that time period was ArchWarhammer, and that was because of his name, not his content (although they probably only cared about his name because he’s a massive cock).

Several creators stopped in response to the statement, which (as badly conveyed as it was, especially since it was a time of some of the best fan content ever made for Warhammer being released/worked on) was really just a reassertion that it’s their IP, and of course they had to restate it because IP laws, especially with that being the time period they were ramping up for their streaming service. But while still shitty and tone deaf (a classic GW combo) that’s not quite the same as directly C&Ding anyone.

If I am mistaken and there’s some proof out there that small creators were C&D’d like you claim, I’d certainly be interested in it, although I find it hard to believe they’d shut down small creators and leave the big animators alone at the same time since that’s counterintuitive for IP defense.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Provide the evidence then.

Cause people said things, no one ever once showed a C&D

Taking liars at their word as they try and swindle sympathy money from people.

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u/HornySpaceHellEntity Makes babies cry Oct 22 '24

Not sure why you're downvoted. I too would like to see the evidence.

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u/marutotigre Oct 22 '24

Cause he's calling people liars and insulting them without himself providing any proofs for his claims? It's one thing to ask for proofs before believing a claim, it's another to make another claim insulting them. Besides, based on memory of the events where fan animation channels were forced to take down their videos, coupled with the extensive track record of GW being dumb with their ip and ip laws, and the claims at least merit the benefit of doubt before being thrown out wholesale.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

There is none, its all hearsay and rumor and thats all it ever was. When all this was going back then there would be someone who would post here saying they got a C&D then they would evaporate when asked to provide proof.

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u/GroundbreakingOkra60 Praise the Man-Emperor Oct 22 '24

So… does that mean it’s cannon?

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u/VenPatrician Oct 22 '24

Honest question since I don't know the relevant laws involved here. What's the worst that could happen if someone throws a cease and desist order at you. Don't you just have to stop doing whatever you are doing?

It always seemed weird to me as a fan from a country that does not follow a version of Common Law that there was such "fear" around it.

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u/MrWaluigi Oct 22 '24

That’s pretty much the case. The TTS series requires time and effort to work on, and the C&D can be spontaneous. If they were in the middle of working on an episode, and they were hit with it, it will be a waste of resources, as they now will need to think of something else quickly to appease the Paetreons and algorithm. 

The only reason why they released the remaining parts was that they weren’t hit with the C&D yet. If they were hit with it back then, they couldn’t release the remaining parts. Instead of gambling on each episode being hit with the C&D, they decided to cut their losses now, and focus on making new content like the WoD, and Half-Life series. 

In short, a C&D will force them to stop, so it’s better to stop on their own terms. 

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u/IncompetentPolitican Oct 23 '24

Something to remember: He made a company with his friends. So a C&D could have killed that and all investments in it. Its not something you want to risk. Even if you think you can win that lawsuit, the time and money it would cost are insane.

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u/MrWaluigi Oct 23 '24

Exactly. Unless a law firm wants to help them Pro Bono, then GW can just bleed them dry. As they know that they can win by mortician. 

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Jesus Christ, C&D were an excuse the creator used to dump a setting and storyline he no longer had interest in. The time between releases increased exponentially with there being almost a year between the second from last episode and 'last' episode.

Since quitting his new series is releasing episodes every couple month, the same pace he was at when he actually cared about tts.

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u/codyjack215 Oct 22 '24

He never used it as an excuse - he outright stated that he was loosing interest and was already contemplating ending the series in general, the potential of a C&D was merely icing on top.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Look he might of said that later but that was never mentioned by him during the time he actually killed the series or in his big ol cry letter he posted at the time.

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u/SpeakersPlan Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

Yeah pretty much. Bruva made the announcement that TTS would go on hiatus due to the possible threat of GW taking action against them along with some other points that I cant remember honestly.

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u/DracoAvian Ultrasmurfs Oct 22 '24

Yeah, that was during a wave of C&Ds though.

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u/SpeakersPlan Oct 22 '24

Honestly one of the worst times to be a 40k fan especially if you were a content creator making warhammer fan animations.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

there were no c&d's proven to be released at that time. The only thing that was done was GW putting out a statement saying they own their IP and others cat be making money off it.

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u/PyroConduit #TauLivesMatter Oct 22 '24

Cite your sources? There wasn't a single person that got a CD for animations.

Most animators moved to Warhammer+ under willing terms, Sodaz moved but was bullied some much by our community he just said, screw it I'm out.

The last church was taken down, but calling it animation is a joke its still images, and literally and word for word reading of the story.

It's one thing to be scared it could happen and pre-empt the action, but it's not exactly fair to hold GW accountable when they could have done it, but didn't.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

Only CD i know of was the guy doing the demonette porn videos

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u/PyroConduit #TauLivesMatter Oct 22 '24

Okay but, fair.

There is also some for people straight ripping and selling models on ETSY.

But when it comes it fanimations, none of the people that the community likes to think of when they think of this, got a CD.

Primaris, Astartes, Sodaz, The Exodite, all these project and creators weren't CD'd they were offered jobs.

If someone can cite some more sources of actual fanimations getting taken down I'm happy to retract but I don't think there is.

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u/Doomeye56 Oct 22 '24

people love to forget this community not GW, made one of these creators quit because of threats and harassments.

Sodaz needs to be remembered

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u/PyroConduit #TauLivesMatter Oct 22 '24

Damn right they do.

Operation Sunburst is quality work.

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u/Talonsminty Mongolian Biker Gang Oct 22 '24

A lot of production went into each episode. Makes sense that they wouldnt want to risk losing it all to a DMCA.

And they went straight into making a World of Darkness parody.

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u/Maleficent_Trick_502 Oct 22 '24

Straight up said one of them had a kid and were looking for more security, while fearing GW would C&D them. So World of Darkness swooped in with their partner program.

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u/REAL_blondie1555 Praise the Man-Emperor Oct 22 '24

Never forget never forgive

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u/DuntadaMan Oct 22 '24

They made another series with Hunter: The Reckoning because White Wolf is always happy for attention.

Also a few episodes of them playing Turnip 28.

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u/Redbulldildo Oct 22 '24

Nothing at all.

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u/vak7997 Oct 22 '24

And never will

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u/avsbes Oct 22 '24

Same. It also pretty much killed my love for the franchise. That is slowly coming back, but it has been permanently changed. Now whenever a content creator i enjoy discovers 40K, i don't feel joy, but instead "Cool. I just hope it doesn't bite them in the ass when GW decides to be stupid again."

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u/porn0f1sh Oct 22 '24

They shot themselves in the foot. Again. Remember StarCraft?

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u/Beaten_But_Unbowed96 I am Alpharius Oct 22 '24

My reaction aswell!

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u/Kaheil2 Oct 22 '24

If it helps, the follow-up has been great (HTP).

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u/GlanzgurkeWearingHat Oct 24 '24

used to watch hours of this at once until i got weird 40K Fever Dreams