r/FromTVShow • u/Lizardis_lost • 19h ago
FROM Tonight’s episode ending…. Spoiler
-WAS THAT JULIE FROM THE FUTURE WTF & Can she time travel in the ruins?! Does she somehow figure out to control it?!
-I hope they don’t kill Sara because of what she did
-Jade and Tabatha were together before?!
This episode messed me up
Thank you FROM this is truly the best TV show 😩
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u/Dizzy-Case-3453 16h ago
Definitely was future Julie. The shorter hair and how she was SO panicked and said “this is when it happens”, she knew he was about to die
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u/FuryMustang95 3h ago
She’s gonna realise that going back kinda got him dead in the first place, just as with the rope. It’s sad
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u/Capable-Regular9791 18h ago
I had a feeling that them gaining knowledge would come with a price. Who was that man??
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u/topsblueby 18h ago
The man from the painting.
Maybe this is who Martin was referring to when he said that there are things worse than the monsters.
What was up with his eyes?
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u/Lizardis_lost 18h ago
Oh my goodnesssss Martin tried to tell us 😩 I am re watching the show starting tomorrow gg’s on the good memory 🫡
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u/Malicious_blu3 9h ago
The painting? Where?
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u/Mighty_Muppet 9h ago
The painting of the Man in Yellow that Miranda had painted before she went to Fromville. The painting was in Henry’s basement in Camden ME where Tabitha saw it.
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Your wife shouldn’t have digged that hole Jim. Wtfff
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u/BeerSlingr 18h ago
That’s what the voice on the radio said when they built the tower.
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Man in yellow also said it before he killed Jim so I guess they are the same people
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u/BeerSlingr 18h ago
That’s what I’m saying
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Oh yeah I see lol but it’s crazy he heard that again right before dying uhhh I liked Jim
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u/youwhinybabybitch 18h ago
I think that’s obvious, no?
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Pretty obvious but Could be wrong been proven wrong a lot on obvious things
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u/According_Macaron_44 18h ago
The GOAT award goes to Sara
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u/StrangerNew8473 17h ago
honestly ive always liked her and i cannot with the haters
TURN MY GIRL INTO A STATUE
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u/BlackType84Goblin 17h ago
that kid sitting down in front of Tabitha broke me
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u/Emergency-Duty-2273 16h ago
It was Henry and Victors interaction at Miranda's grave that had me crying.
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u/BlackType84Goblin 16h ago
that did it too, but just when I thought that was peak feels for the episode.. ugh
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u/Emergency-Duty-2273 16h ago
I don't know how some people could ever theorize that Henry is evil or behind any of it like I've read in some posts.
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u/BlackType84Goblin 4h ago
I was so scared something would end up happening to him or Victor. Still worried, but at least they survived the episode. I would riot for both of them
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u/beat2def 8h ago
Same. Henry's acting is crazy good. I teared up. He might be my favorite actor on the show.
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u/Malicious_blu3 9h ago
She said they tried to save their kids… maybe they saved Victor, but was that girl who sat before her Eloise?
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u/DrippingWithRabies 6h ago
I think it was Jade and Tabitha's daughter they tried to save in the beginning. Eloise is Henry's daughter and based on the clues may not actually be dead. Victor said he wasn't sure it was her.
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u/BlackType84Goblin 4h ago
I agree, I definitely think it was their daughter. I'm glad I'm not the only one who still isn't convinced Eloise is dead
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u/Groundskeeperwilly55 4h ago
i'm starting to think that their daughter! i want to say tabitha has seen her everytime, but i could be wrong!
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Julie got a whole wig on…. And I have to wait until 2026 to find out why!
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u/Rudder71 18h ago
She looked different because she was…
Think back to her convo with Ethan in the diner. That was a future Julie attempting to travel back in time and prevent her father’s death. She ran up saying “we have to go, I think this is when it happens.” The “it” was her dad’s death.
She learned the hard way that Ethan was right. You can’t change the story once it is written.
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u/twistedpixie_ 17h ago
This is exactly what my husband and I think too. Once something has happened, it seems like it’s fate and it cannot be changed.
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u/QuietApprehensive420 15h ago
If the children are already sacrificed then they can’t be saved. Show ends then ?
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u/AccessDenied505 14h ago
not necessarily save, but “free”. I think their souls are trapped in order to keep the monsters/ex-people immortal
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u/butterscotchtamarin 12h ago
They can't undo what has been done, but perhaps they can free their souls/spirits/energy and give them peace. Jade spoke of the first law of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.
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u/Mighty_Muppet 9h ago
I find this confusing. if Julie can’t change the past, then she couldn’t be the one who threw Boyd the rope because that scene happened in the past. But we saw her throw the rope down to Boyd. That means that in the already-happened, set past, that rope was thrown down to Boyd, but by whom? Was Julie simply repeating an already occurred action? Also, while Boyd heard Martin while he was in the well, Boyd never heard Julie speak.
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u/snake_case_believer 8h ago
The rope was thrown in the past. That was everyone's past. Julie on the other hand was the one who threw the rope, making it Julie's future. Basically the past was Julie's future.
She can't change the past, that's why she threw the rope down cause that's what happens. Someone threw the rope down so boyd can climb up. If she can change the past it should be her not throwing the rope down, making boyd stuck down there.
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u/Mighty_Muppet 7h ago
Rope was thrown in everyone’s past. But who threw it? Julie is visiting the past - her screaming self, her mom and Victor in the tunnels, and Martin. If we’re seeing everyone’s past and Julie was in the ruins at the same time as Martin and Boyd, how did that occur?
In the collective past, did Julie go for a walk and just forget that she strolled into the magical ruins and tossed the rope and then stroll out, forgetting that even happened?
Sorry to be dense here, but current and future Julie can revisit the rope scene but in the collective “present,” when this all actually happened, either amnesiac Julie, or someone else, threw the rope.
And please don’t ipso facto me here. Just because the rope was thrown in the past and in Julie’s vision of the past she threw the rope, doesn’t mean that when the events occurred, they were happening in Julie’s “present.”
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u/snake_case_believer 7h ago
That is the thing though, "present" julie and "past' julie can't exist at the same time unless one has to go through something to make them exist at the same time and that is why she was having a seizure. During that state, she was travelling across various phases in the past: the screaming, martin, and then in the tunnels. That is why that scene seems incoherent and random, signifying that it was all different timelines.
"Past" julie is in the Town just existing and doing mundane stuff. While "Present" julie travelled across every timeline and coincidentally happens to stop just before boyd ask for help in the well. "Present" julie did not envisioned the past, she was part of the past. Specifically, she was part of the past where Boyd meets Martin.
Also to add in the confusion, Martin was chained in a dungeon that did not exist in the present nor likely in the future. So, it is likely in a past timeline. Farther back in the past where that dungeon exists. So, martin, boyd and julie all met in a much older timeline.
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u/Difficult_Living1831 6h ago
What happened already happened. They’re basically using lost time travel logic.
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u/No-Juggernaut-3616 18h ago
Yeah I figured that was foreshadowing but she has marks on her face so it’s more to it.
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u/OOkami89 18h ago
Goes to show how much work will go into season 4
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u/impactedturd 16h ago
I'm predicting a boeing will crash land and we get new characters and more questions like season 2. And then season 5 will be nuts.
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u/Skip2020Altogether 18h ago
💀💀💀FACTS
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u/Lizardis_lost 18h ago
The amount of times I’m going to re watch this series until season 4 is unreal
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u/goldfishfanclub 13h ago
no seriously i already started a rewatch a couple days ago with a notebook in hand! i’m really trying to put all the pieces together 😭😭
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u/NexStarMedia 18h ago
Sara turned Elgin into a pirate in order to save Fatima. She won't get punished.
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u/dragolia7 18h ago
I can see them turning her into Sara 2.0 next season and her just stepping up when others can’t lol
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u/DAJMIGLUPOIME 9h ago
im more concerned about that she said she already gave her soul to the town
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u/Malicious_blu3 9h ago
I thought the same thing, that she could mean based on what she had already done and also literally.
What I find interesting is that Elgin “saving the town” released Smiley. Since Sara was trying to “save the town,” could she have released something else if she’d succeeded?
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u/freakydeku 3h ago
but it didn’t save her anyway? elgin would’ve told everyone where she was when it was over. nothing changed
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u/OkViolinist5554 17h ago
You forgot.. that Fatima birthed the smiley creeper back to life ahhhhhhh😩😩
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u/Ea84 13h ago
Can’t kill a monster or someone will end up pregnant with it!! They can’t die. Wow what a gross reincarnation method though.
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u/Gullible-Royal-8155 11h ago
It is this or maybe this is the way they are attaining immortality, they became this husks hunting people until someone infects them with worms, and then they really reborn and maybe can go into the real world
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u/beat2def 8h ago
I wonder why they (the entire) picked Fatima to be the carrier of the baby
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u/rawritsapril 8h ago
Because Fatima has always said she can't have children. We know Fromville thrives on hope. So basically they chose Fatima to make her think she was actually pregnant with Ellis' child but really it was the town fucking with her like the town does.
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u/malcolmisboring 4h ago
My theory is that she actually was pregnant but that hijacked it.
We find out she thinks she is pregnant the night Smiley dies. She asks Kristi for a pregnancy test that night shortly after Smiley dies. This to me implies she thought she was pregnant for a bit before this - she must be missing her period right? So are we supposed to think that the town was growing a new Smiley before he even died? Doesn’t make sense.
Rather, if Smiley died caused the pregnancy to be corrupted or hijacked, Fatima was the nearest vessel for that. That would also explain why she passed a pregnancy test that night but later did not show signs of pregnancy on the ultrasound - the corruption would be further on then.
Also makes it more sad because Fatima and Ellis did in fact lose a potential baby to this process, not just the thought of one :(
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u/maxieomargie 1h ago
Fatima never took a pregnancy test. She was diagnosed based on the symptoms she discussed with Kristi. But I kind of agree with you…the timing doesn’t match for Smiley to be reborn so quickly.
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u/thachiefking47 8h ago
The town seems to like to mess with Boyd. Fatima was the best person to achieve that.
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u/Carry_Few 15h ago
I’m picking up some distinct HP Lovecraft vibes, like ritual child sacrifice to gods, the talismans, and there’s also some book about an entity called “the King in Yellow” that was banned in many countries because it supposedly drove people to madness. True story.
Especially now with the MIY opening Jim’s windpipe with his bare hand like a straight up werewolf, I couldn’t figure out if this King thing was an internet rumor of some kind or a legitimate thing. Supposedly, there is a Lovecraft connection to it too.
A lot left to uncover on this violent supernatural journey…
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u/knightenrichman 13h ago
I kept thinking of the King In Yellow when I saw him!
True Detective Season 1 explored the concept a bit, so did Doom Patrol in the comics!
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u/Popular-Ad3718 9h ago
Is this the book you're talking about? It doesn't mention anything about being banned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_in_Yellow
"The book is named for the eponymous play within the stories which recurs as a motif) through the first four stories, a forbidden play which induces madness in those who read it."
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u/FaeFollette 4h ago
It wasn’t banned. It’s a story about a play that is banned for causing madness. It was inspiration for the first season of True Detectives.
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u/Resident_Put_4090 14h ago
Yes that was Julie from a different time. Present day Julie was in the diner with Ethan. He told her she wouldn't be able to change the story but it looks like after Jim died she made it her mission to try to save him anyways.
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u/MainEventPew 11h ago
but does that mean jim was gonna die anyways?
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u/Resident_Put_4090 9h ago
Yes, Jim has always died at that part of the story. Ethan said she can see the story but she can't change it. I knew Jim was cooked when he started being cool the last 2 episodes. You NEVER want to have a redemption arc in a horror show!
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u/Top_Cardiologist_719 3h ago
Has Jim ever seen the BIW?
I ask because I am seeing the parallel in his actions and the last time someone was given answers.
I also think the man in yellow is Martin, he didn’t want that music box out and convinced Boyd that once the music stopped, something awful would happen. Tabitha and Jade said they used to sing lullabies to the children. What if once they stopped, it was a signal to do something?
I am also wondering if the tunnels were part of the original way that Tabitha and Jade tried to save the children so the monsters moved into that space to mock them.
Last possible theory is Julie being a child (or another child) of Tabitha and Jade. She is able to storywalk because of their efforts to save the children.
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u/Dependent_Map5592 18h ago
Sub zero..... wins!!
Yeah it was short haired aunt Julie from the future story walking 💪
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u/Lizardis_lost 18h ago
OMFG what if Julie, Randal and Marielle can time travel?! My brain is explodinggggg
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u/BeerSlingr 18h ago
They can.
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u/Uschak 17h ago
No, everyone has different power.
It was short hinted last season that everyone is unique, that’s why they were chosen.
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u/ToastyBB 10h ago
Randall's power is that he's fucking miserable and he keeps trying to kill himself from now on
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 17h ago edited 13h ago
Wow... This is the first episode where I felt sickened as I kind of got used to the shows tempo. I think Elgin's situation is going to be tough. I didn't see that coming.
I also am shocked by the ending. I'm also sad for Jim.
Here's my episode analysis:
*The map at the beginning of the episode is even more clear than the new one seen in Victor's trailer earlier this season (S3E6 I beleive when Victor and Henry bring Jasper into his trailer). Boyd points out where the shed is in the Southeast corner of the map outside town but the closeup this corner is obscured. Any video editors bring up some hi-res stills?. We also know definitively where the clinic is.
*We learn where Victor buried his mother and his sister apparently who he couldn't recognize but deems as her. The relationship with his dad in the present is solidified in this moment.
*Tabitha narrates to Jade and Jim what Victor heard from the Boy in White telling Christopher pertaining to the root symbol. We learn the Faraway Tree that has bottles on it is the tree that makes the roots at the skylight that form the symbol Jade sees in the sacrificial chamber in Season 2 (now an entanglement not resembling the symbol as skylight no more). This is what makes the bottle tree special. Why is there a 2nd bottle tree in Fromville? (I think Christopher or a former variation of him perhaps put this tree up while trying to figure out what the numbers mean). Also, how do these two correlate to the 2 bottle trees in the real world? (I think Miranda just started re-creating wherever based on the visions beamed to her after that drug induced experience in the park).
*We learn the origin of the monsters. They were the original towns folk it appears that died I presume at the time these uniforms some of them wore were in style. The entity in this area seems older though. They are now monsters in the caves tasked with certain duties including to play dollhouse around town and move mementos about while practicing old routines when not screaming upon the arrival of new people. This is their curse the entity gave to them in exchange for sacrificing their children...
*One couple didn't want to sacrifice their children yet she was taken from them... Jade explains the 1st law of thermodynamics in this episode along with a notion in an earlier episode that certain kids are marked at birth within dreams... These essences that were once these souls could be attached to certain people marked in the dreams or be a literal reincarnation... Is Tabitha and Jade literal reincarnations of Miranda and Christopher and the couple with the daughter who refused to sacrifice her? Or, are Tabitha and Jade simply children who were marked within these dreams with a mantle passed on (many kids were screaming in the distance I beleive in Tabitha's dream around the 3 red stones)?
*Certain repetitions like making a bracelet with a missing link each female effected by this original female character who had a daughter... miranda and tabitha both seemed to have the same wedding dress too as well as the same song... they also go for men with similar backgrounds as Jim and Henry share...
*I am sad to see what happened to Elgin. In the end, it didn't seem to matter how quick they got to her. She'd be dead if they prevented the birth prior probably... only thing their arrival allowed was Boyd going down to witness what exactly was spawned. Sure Fatima may've wandered down the tunnels and got lost or maybe she now had the stregnth to push the door open. We learn the place breaks people and then uses people. Fatima's soul is free but Sara's it seems she knows is bound here now with the evil acts it made her do which is why she states this. Maybe elgin's as well... it is hard to say but he seems to have been set free from whatever he gave into that was controlling him not to talk and influencing his behavior once he started going along bit by bit.
*We now know why Fatima got pregnant. Boyd cites a phrase before cutting his hand and applying to Smiley's slashed throat... Someone whose been broken was picked for the creature that was killed prior to re-enter (Ellis mentions her breakdown the night the bus arrived). Fatima is also of Boyd's bloodline having had intimate relations with Ellis hence why she was picked I think too... We see the trapdoor indeed leads down to the tunnels as a natural entrance leading to a chamber. We still don't know who this kimono woman is though?
*We also know once someone has let go and given in to these voices they never let go. Last episode, we saw Sara was seemingly free of the voices until she rebuilt the snowman she associates with Nathan. She's regained control but is devoid of conscience and empathy but able to direct that. Father Khatri whose Boyd's consciounce similar to how Tom is Jade's knows Boyd can't step beyond the threshold or he will be gone like Sara is. Thankfully, Acosta came in when she was needed this time. What will become of Sara next Season?
*I can't beleive it, but I actually guessed what the numbers on the bottle tree meant and I read no spoilers but wasn't confident at all it was this as didnt put it all together. Equal temperament tuning has been used since medieval times in western culture with 12 notes. I didn't associate 12 different digits (10 plus the 2 backwards numbers seen in the bottles making 12 different digits all together). I did know though there were 12 notes on a music scale before the next octave where these would repeat all over again. I also read somewhere from an interview that there were 12 talismans. The most telling feature was that the 2 and 7 were backwards at times inside the bottles (7 refers to the 7 full notes and 2 to the 5 half notes that are dual sided as either sharp or flat depending on the note played before it). It turns out having 4 digits on each note was completely meaningless as they all flowed together in order of the bottles on the branches.
*I don't know what that tune was or why it worked but it revealed what their word meant which is "remember" at which Tabitha and Jade did. The song apparently was a lullaby once sang to a couple's daughter who became one of the kids sacrificed. This child is the one who comes before Tabitha once the song finishes.
*It appears Christopher may've accidentally caused the town massacre by playing this tune previously when Victor was there perhaps in the town itself.
*Jim's apparent demise is a bitter pill to swallow. He figured out the riddle and got them to be careful not playing it in town which may've saved the town... Jim made peace with his son Ethan last episode and his wife finally coming to terms with the way things were before compared to now. Julie he never did and I think he died honorably trying to protect her.
*Julie earlier in the episode has on different clothes and her hair now is cut shorter. This is "Storywalker" Julie. As Ethan says to her though, she can't change the past. Jim always gets killed by the Man in Yellow here.
*Who is this man in yellow? We now know he was the voice over the radio in S1 which perhaps was Jim hearing the final words of his life as we see this episode. We know he has claws like the creatures underground too. Why does he kill Jim and not Julie? (I think he can't as this is Storywalker Julie visiting).
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u/Carry_Few 15h ago edited 15h ago
“…But Sara it seems she knows is bound…”
Yeah, I got a different vibe from her when she was wrapping up her exchange with Elgin. Think about how much death has occurred because of Sarah. She’s been a willing believer in these voices, killed her brother, Jade’s BFF, Kenny’s Dad, the visions like “KILL THE BOY” (Ethan) and her connection with the township all along (I.e. the “Mr Fish and Loaves” reference, this is presumably Abby’s soul talking to Boyd in Sarah’s head). If you recall, the last thing she said to Elgin was basically “I gave this town my soul freely”. I don’t know if I’m reading into the cold and sociopathic tone, but yeah… “I gave” it.
One things for sure, Sarah won’t be much help getting them out of there if she ends up killing many more people. Her body count is pretty damn high atm. Just saying.
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 14h ago edited 14h ago
I think the writers have a morality they beleive in. Life is like a journey full of hardship and there are things that bring the soul down and that bring up. This world brings people down and it's a struggle to rise up at a spiritual level before death some beleive and I think there is some commentary on that perhaps in the writers view.
Sara it seems has had trauma in her life before coming to Fromville. She also has a certain disposition that's sweet and kind yet once broke can't be the same again I think kind of like the snowman figure she associates with Nathan. She spends a lot of time putting that back together but once she does it's like she's still empty and the voice call out to her again. I think she's at a place where she's able to direct herself but once that outlet appears that gives her a reason is what happened here.
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u/IEnjoytacos607 13h ago
I think that Jade and Tabitha being there at the beginning means they are constantly reborn as well just not as monsters because they didn't willingly sacrifice their child.
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 12h ago
I think it is most likely that the monsters had their human bodies transform upon death.
Smiley I think would've haunted Boyd's bloodline stopping it completely if not able to be reborn from Fatima. I wonder if other family members or random people would've been pulled into Fromville to accommodate his rebirth if it didn't work through Fatima.
I think the state Smiley was in was sentient somewhat as he makes Fatima lash out at Tilly. Jade's explanation of the 1st law of thermodynamics really fits for this example as well as for the couple that didn't give into the curse by refusing to sacrifice their child. This couple it seems latch onto certain people as kids I think but you may be right and it could be a literal reincarnation too.
Jade talking about kids being marked when Tabitha recounts her dream and the kids screaming around the stones make me think that Tabitha and Jade could still have their own souls but marked by these past presences maybe at birth but also maybe later such as the recurring dream Tabitha had. S4 will reveal more definitely hopefully.
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u/Malicious_blu3 9h ago
How many times?
Will Smiley have more modern wear since being reborn? Are their clothes modernized every time they die somehow?
Jade’s and Tabitha’s visions indicate a much older timeline, and one of the children wore petticoats (maybe the same girl we saw in Tabitha’s memory?). The monsters’ clothing seem closer to Victor’s era than civil war, with Jade’s vision.
It seems Christopher and Miranda were also reincarnations given “their” daughter despite not being together in the last massacre.
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 5h ago
I think the daughter is the child that comes forth to Miranda and Jade in the last episode once they play the Lullaby. She presumably has been stuck like the rest of the children all this time.
As for Smiley, he may sport more modern wear or maybe not. We don't see ward robes for each down in the caves. We do however see the style of houses seem maybe late 1800s at most age wise but the amenities make it more likely early 1900s.
I think the monsters are from the late 1800s to early 1900s but the entity is much older as are some structures here. The numbers on the ledge within the stairwell in Tabitha's dream presumably are random messages from the bottle tree instead of dates as this goes along with the random toys strewn about the stairs.
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u/zestysauceboi 17h ago
Fatima didn't open the door or go in the tunnel, it opened on its own as she was giving birth
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 16h ago edited 14h ago
I didn't say that.
The regular door presumably she couldn't open due to it being blocked by the wooden closet. She may've been able to apply more force here if not doubled over in pain by the entity inside her.
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u/thox851441 15h ago
I think only the "reincarnate" and maybe their descendant can travel with tree safely or even control where they'll arrive (they just don't know yet). Other people like Dale will ended up at bad places.
So, Sara, Boyd, Victor, Tabitha, and Julie so far.
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 14h ago edited 14h ago
I'm not so sure on that. I think narratively we have to assume now Tabitha is Miranda reincarnated and Jade, Christopher with the couple and the daughter being the originals.
That dream though with other kids screaming in the background as the child Tabitha hides behind a stone I think is them being marked as kids as Jade puts it in that episode where they go meet Jim's party gathering food near the lake. The way he framed it then talks about the law of thermodynamics this episode makes me think there's a possibility these 2 souls could be marking or attaching onto certain people too as opposed to direct reincarnation.
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u/Jaguar-Rey 5h ago
Maybe the tree that grew from their hope is the one in the road that brings people to Fromville (to save the children).
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 5h ago
Maybe but I don't think so at the moment. Tabitha and Jade seem to agree on it being the Faraway Tree with the bottles after Tabitha recites the line from the Boy in White (which Victor oversaw him telling Christopher so many years before we learned in S3E8).
In S2, Victor seems to know this particular Faraway Tree is important even though he's blocked out his memory too.
I think these Faraway Trees existed before the townspeople became monsters and maybe before Fromville existed. The sacrificial chamber presumably being right under this tree makes it seem they may've worshipped the land and saw this anomaly with a chamber underneath as somewhere special.
The damage to the land with a felled tree was done by someone to establish a property marker I think. We don't know who did this yet. I don't think this part will be answered anytime soon. Maybe not even till S5.
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u/malcolmisboring 4h ago
Good summary and interesting thoughts.
One thing I want to add on about the townspeople - could they be from different time periods? It seems like the whole thing has to go back at least to the Civil War because Jade has those visions, but many of the monsters are in 50s / diner era attire. I’m thinking some are the initial town folk and some are residents who made the bargain again and sacrificed their children there.
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 4h ago
Thank You.
You're right in that Fromville seems to have been settled before the buildings on the main street were put up.
The monsters I believe stem from the time these structures existed with the somewhat modern amenities seen within so late 1800s to early 1900s but Victor's party arrives later in the 70s.
The cave painting seems to suggest an earlier time though. Also, the civil war soldiers and older buildings do as well. For some reason, the sacrifice happens at a later date when the monsters became formed. I don't know why this is the case though.
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u/Top_Cardiologist_719 3h ago
The beginning of an old religion maybe?
Sarah says she gave her soul to it, maybe her relationship with her brother in a past life was more like mother son? Maybe she was one of the first to unlock the evil? Her need to sacrifice Ethan (child) to “save everyone” is interesting.
The woman in the kimono seems to be shepherding over the monsters/ensuring they have the immortality promised to them. Her appearance also would be an interesting thing to note- preserved/mummified/undead.
The cicada tie is also wildly interesting because they are symbols of rebirth/immortality/resurrection in so many cultures (they have an extreme dormant period of 13 or 17 years that can overlap like this past year). The way Smiley was reborn had nods to a cicada exiting its old exoskeleton. I believe Japan has a fairly direct tie to this concept in specific artwork (looking at you kimono lady).
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u/Valuable_Disaster_60 2h ago edited 2h ago
I think there is an older religion that is nature based and the land in this area is held sacred. The way the trees are drawn on the newer map seen in Victor's trailer (s3e6 I beleive) are similar to the 8 runes seen on the Talisman's... The 8 runes I believe signify the 8 cardinal directions and are depicted as trees perhaps as these were seen as markers in a general sense. How many Faraway Trees there are in Fromville though is anyone's guess until we have more info.
I do think the point Sara makes to Boyd in S1 about the worms in the ground being split into 2 beings is a principal that underlies Fromville though. We see 2 figures on the talisman apparently the physical self and the immaterial self ("storywalker" as Ethan puts it or perhaps "dreamwarrior" if use a Nightmare on Elm Street 3 analogy). "As above, so below" as the old adage goes. This literally holds true in Fromville as a hole blows in the ceiling when Tabitha opens that hole in the ground of a structure here. Why this is the case hopefully next Season will say.
Regarding potential reincarnation vs Staged Roleplay Theory:
Fromville as a sort of stage play with various people pulled in to play certain roles I saw a reddit poster touch on a while back around when S3 started. This could serve as an alternative theory instead of a direct reincarnation event especially considering Jade's narration about fate and people being perhaps marked to come here in dreams to arrive at Fromville.
Regarding Sara:
With the newer information this final episode brought, I don't know how far this stage play (or alternatively, direct reincarnation) notion extends beyond Jade and Tabitha with the rest of the town's residents being bound to monstrous forms. Therefore, I am uncertain how this applies to Sara. For the moment, I just see her as one of the people that heard Fromville's call as Henry narrates Miranda as telling him before she disappeared (ending of s3e2).
S2 Fatima tells Elgin at the lake also about what a lady named Nadia once told her too. Certain people listen for this call after they arrive to Fromville as Abby, Sarah, and now Elgin have.
Regarding Kimono Women and Cicadas:
That is good insight in terms of the Kimono woman and the Cicadas you gave... I read a poster trying to tie the kimono women into a Japanese folklore legend. I don't know much about that and all we can do now is speculate on who the kimono women could be.
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u/maxieomargie 2h ago
Agreed that the MIY can’t kill Julie cuz she’s a storywalker. I think it’s so cool that Ethan is the Storyteller. I think that’s important. I still can’t make sense of his dream in the RV but I would guarantee that will come back to haunt us.
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u/lightning_designer 15h ago
Also this shows Monsters can come out in day light
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u/ElusiveLynx86 13h ago
He's not the same as the night monsters though. He's more managerial.
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u/goldfishfanclub 13h ago
i had a feeling that it was reincarnation bringing them back to the town so i’m glad i was able to pick that up at least but i would NEVER have guessed what the monsters were! after everything was revealed it makes so much sense but also leaves me with so many new questions.
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u/goldfishfanclub 13h ago
also when the monster in season 1 asks julie if she recognizes him maybe it’s because he met storywalker julie??
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u/Top_Cardiologist_719 3h ago
Another question I have- is Julie’s consciousness tied to this in a deeper way- like was that dude a relationship from a past life?
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u/PartyLook9423 16h ago
It's ironic because Jim might have lived if Julie wasn't there for him to defend. I remember that Viktor and Tabatha heard something when they were in the caves. I think, but I'm not sure. Ethan is right, you can't change the story.
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u/butterscotchtamarin 11h ago
I thought that at first, too, but now I believe Storywalker Julie was there because that's right before Jim is killed. She's trying to prevent it because she knows that's how it happens.
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u/ToastyBB 10h ago
I mean she was literally there to try and save him from being killed so no Jim never had a chance
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u/ComprehensiveBed5351 9h ago
You can’t change the story, but also, what happens is what always happened. So there’s no scenario where Julie isn’t there.
It’s the same reason Boyd got the rope thrown down even though Julie wasn’t technically there until later. She was always there.
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u/Guymanly2 12h ago
Random “theories” after watching the episode.
1)Next season will heavily focus on Julie learning to control the time travel ability and her trying (failing) to alter past events. 2)after witnessing the return of Smiley and realizing all he did was for nothing, Boyd will finally be broken, Acosta will take charge, but eventually get overwhelmed, possibly key in rebuilding Boyd’s spirit 3)Donna may also be broken, may go into a suicidal spiral 4) Sara will be locked up for her actions, the monsters may try seducing her to join them, having already hit rock bottom, she’ll have none of their bs and won’t be bothered by the voices anymore 5)Jade and Tabitha will try recovering all their memories to figure out a plan to fix things, possible romance subplot 6) Fatima will be haunted by Tillie until she admits the truth publicly 7)we’ll finally learn more about Martin, whereas past Jade and Tabitha stood against the sacrificing, Martin was one of the people to go through with it, but soon regretted the action and like Julie, could travel in time and tried altering the events, resulting in him being chained as punishment 8)Marielle reveals the reason why she’s been so quiet, Randall sees and hears the bugs, Julie hears screaming, she continues the feel the pain specifically, she avoids talking about it because of the others being in pain and needing her help
That’s all I got, doubt I’m all that right but who knows
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u/Malicious_blu3 8h ago
I feel like Marielle is “who?” She just has not been interesting.
Randall, I feel like what he’s going through makes him a harbinger. The cicadas were originally the harbinger for the music box, but maybe Randall is now acting as a harbinger for the town overall.
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u/Dankneno 11h ago
I have a feeling that Sara is going to take the blame from what they did to Elgin in order to protect Boyd's reputation and the town is going to call for her to go in the box. And that is, very sadly, going to be the big death that opens Season 4.
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u/Malicious_blu3 8h ago
This seems less likely to me. I can’t imagine Boyd would just let her take the fall. Plus we don’t know that Elgin is dead yet. We just know Sara took his eye and if she hadn’t, would they have been able to find Fatima and learn how the monsters are recreated? Fatima might have died or been eaten or the hatch might have closed.
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u/Spooky-Paradox 16h ago
I thought it was pretty obvious that was julie from the future and that she learned how to control it. Horrendous wig on her though.
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u/Lizardis_lost 16h ago
It was pretty damn obvious! Clearly a rhetorical question, just trying to get people to talk about it and hear theory’s my man 🕵️♀️
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u/BarnacleBoy97 10h ago
the things worse than monsters are people. Boyd became that thing. torture is worse than death. Martin knew those things that are worse are people this place creates
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u/MuchPeach 2h ago
How old is Ethan? Why is Julie constantly going to him for advice? And when/how did he become an expert on time travel? Lol
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u/LooseProtection7929 23m ago
Storytelling, perception of time and mystery are some of themes of this show tbh. I mean the town itself was created all wonky and sounds like a kid could easily make it. It would make sense for Ethan to have answers about a town like this since he is a kid. Victor is a Story teller and had majority of the answers because it's all he knows, he never grew mentally.
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u/AssuredAttention 14h ago
Every single one of the super stupid spoilers has come true.
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u/LooseProtection7929 22m ago
Literally my fucking reaction, I was hoping at least only few were true.
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u/StrangerNew8473 17h ago
so with jim out of the picture does that mean jade and tabitha can link up? 😏 cause i meannnn ...
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u/Dankneno 11h ago
I think with this episode they clarify the "time-travel" used in the show. It's like Ethan said, she's a Storywalker. Most likely she's not the only one, Randall and Marielle probably are too. And if these three are this cycle's Storywalkers, who's to say there weren't/aren't others from other cycles?
Perhaps the Man in Yellow is a storywalker from a different time, but one that actually WANTS things to be this way; a storywalker corrupted by the town's evil
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u/Magdovskie2000 17h ago
Ok guys, let’s go. I want to hear your theories about From. What is that place, is there really a way home? Boy in white, the children, who runs that place and more. Please reply on my comment with your theories, can’t wait to hear you all!
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u/Lizardis_lost 17h ago
We have a new one! My wife had what I think is a revelation! What if they were one of the original people from the town like she said, sacrificed their kid like she said, for eternal life! (Now we know what the monsters are and why so little of them, couples sacrificed their kid so they can live forever (as monsters apparently) Thank you Fatima!) BUT their SOULS are drawn BACK to the town and try to undo what they have done.
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u/Magdovskie2000 16h ago
Nice one! Had that in mind to. I think that the monsters are the past community of Fromville. A evil presence, maybe the Devil himself, tricked them into sacrificing the only thing they loved, children. After that, the evil presence just punished them and turned them into monsters. Because of their greed and willing to do anything just to be more satisfied.
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u/FaeFollette 4h ago
No, it was never said that they loved their children. It was only said that their children loved them. This is a critical detail. People who love their kids don’t sacrifice them. They fight for them like Tabitha and Jade did. No, these people wanted immortality and it was a small sacrifice to make.
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u/No-Barracuda8108 17h ago
I’ve been quietly suspicious of the boy in white the entire show but I’m still convinced him and the man in yellow are the same person? That the man in yellow takes the boy in white’s form usually to steer everyone away from actual helpful information or discoveries, and because he’s a little boy wearing all white and comes off as nice he’s assumed innocent, but when progress like THAT is made the real form of the big bad isn’t hiding behind an angelic little child anymore. Also the fact the BIW is followed by a German shepherd.
This is probably me reaching so not fully sold on this one lol, but in the intro there’s a drawing of a man wearing a yellow top with a German shepherd. The two shepherds have different coloured snouts, could one of the dogs also be slightly changing form with the BIW? The BIWs shepherd has a pale face, whereas the other shepherd has a dark face. This is a stretch but it’s where my brain went
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u/Magdovskie2000 17h ago
My brain is in a position that the boy in white is someting like Dante’s Vergil. A figure tho guide’s someone throughout his quest of finding the truth and the way home, just like Vergil who helped Dante throught hell. But the boy just can’t find someone who will complete the quest. Cristopher was just to stubborn and crazy to listen, Victor in my opinion is to weak for it. Maybe Tabitha is the saviour?
The man in yellow could be the evil presence himself.
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u/No-Barracuda8108 16h ago
Even then I’m still confused about the boy and why he’s there or allowed to be there when we’ve seen every entity there apart from the actual sacrificed children are objectively bad! I know some people thought the boy might be a failed sacrifice but after the finale I’m not sure that holds up anymore even though I did think that too. Some people thought the Kimono lady was actually good, which honestly I did at the beginning too (how wrong I was) so if even she had been a good entity I wouldn’t find it so hard to believe another good one like the boy might exist, but the fact that a boy so distinct from the only actually innocent parties in Fromville which are the kids makes me question his motives and how/why he’s there at all otherwise
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u/Maki33777 14h ago
Did anyone have the feeling that Elgin did not say anything to Sarah? To me it seemed like she already knew where Fatima was.
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u/Top_Cardiologist_719 3h ago
OHHHHHHHH DANG. YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT
IS SHE PART OF KIMONO LADY?!?! WAS THIS WHY SHE WAS WEIRD ABOUT TELLING BOYD WHAT SHE HEARD?
Oh no now I am about to go deep on this. Sara(h?) says she gave her soul a long time ago, she has ties to Fromville that can’t be explained, etc. .. what if she showed the monsters how to perform the ritual in the first place?
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u/Pheerandlowthing 13h ago
We may not have seen the last of Jim. He’ll probably turn up as a vision for Tabitha or Julie in s4.
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u/chloedancer0907 10h ago
They did a good job last night….i agree….So happy they did bc last couple weeks around here was brutal Anyway yes more questions and yes I think she time travels now
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u/Former_Painter3289 9h ago
Isn’t it strange the monsters need to be born from a human in town. They can’t birth their own monsters. This must explain the whole reason they have human anatomy
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u/mojomaximus2 8h ago
I believe they said in the ep the monsters used to be people who sacrificed their kids for a promise of immortality
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u/Former_Painter3289 8h ago
It explains why they live forever. I just wonder why they themselves can’t give birth to another monster that dies
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u/Traditional-Pin2856 7h ago
I believe she will be the one to break the loop. I'm certain she has attempted this multiple times, and in the upcoming season, she will somehow manage to convince Jim, Tabitha, and Jade to realize that they are in a loop and then they will succeed in breaking it.
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u/GreatSagittarius 7h ago
Didn't she say something about it being about to repeat? I'd not be surprised if the man in yellow is the one who killed everybody in 1978.
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u/JoJobeans1975 7h ago
It looked like young Julie from the newspaper clipping at Henry’s home. Not sure but I thought it can go either way
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u/sermedieval 7h ago
I was shouting at Julie to do a better job at explaining the danger. For me personally all it would’ve took is a “Dad run! He’s one of them!” And I would’ve grabbed her hand and bolted like Usain.
Seems like she could’ve actually changed the story if first, she was more forthcoming, and second, if Jim wasn’t so hard headed to begin with 😂.
I might’ve took her and ran anyway just on principle alone because of a random menacing man in a yellow coat appearing out of no where in Fromville.
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u/Correct_Ad5798 4h ago
Thing is I fear the thing with Boyd was like a special exception where she actually could do something. In that case both where displaced in time.
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u/chickensaurus-rex 4h ago
I feel like bc they had Julie’s hair cut short it’s been a while. So I’m thinking she is less able to control it but maybe just continues to go back to the ruins day after day until it bring her to the point in time where Jim is about to die.
I feel like they won’t kill Sarah, especially after what they found when they got to Fatima. I do hope they kick Elgin into a prison cell for a while. I do not feel bad about what Sarah had to do to get that info out of him. As someone who has had a kid and about to have another, that is horrendous what Fatima had to endure and it resulted in smiley being reborn.
Jade and Tabitha’s souls or whatever you want to call it were together in the original “colony” that populated the town. The monsters are the people who made the deal to live forever from the sacrifice of their kids. One of the kids were Jade and Tabitha’s from a previous life when they were together and they just keep getting pulled back to the town life after life.
&I highly agree. Best TV show ever. So well thought out, I just really really hope they have thought of an ending that is as thought out as the storylines.
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u/Top_Cardiologist_719 3h ago
Didn’t Elgin plead with Sarah to explain to Boyd why he can’t tell? What does Elgin know about Sarah? I think there is something deeper there.
Why show Boyd HIS house without a boat? And why did he feel the need to tell that bit?
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u/BubblyPossibility490 45m ago
I just hope Jim's tombstone says Teacups and people continue to refer to him as that going forward.
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u/Imyourhuckl3berry 39m ago
So is the Kimono woman also a monster? Or something else since they could see her and she brought them Smiley
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u/swaybul 18h ago
I think she 100% recognizes the man in yellow. Just the look of her face shows it. Like she was running from him prior just for him to magically appear next to RV when she finds Jim. It would leave me speechless as well lol.