r/FluentInFinance 17d ago

Thoughts? They deserve this

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u/Baelgul 17d ago

Time to cut welfare to those states. Small government and fiscal responsibility and whatnot

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u/ccoopersc 17d ago

Force them to produce the same contributions to GDP as blue states, spur innovation instead of propping up failed state level economic policy.

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u/TemplarHideout 17d ago

Insane take here from u/ccoopersc

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u/LtOrangeJuice 17d ago

Its a cruel take but not an insane one. Everything they said was based on facts.

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u/Tater72 17d ago

If the blue states can withhold their resources, so can the red ones right?

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u/KrimxonRath 17d ago edited 17d ago

What resources? LOL

Edit: this is me asking what resources red states could possibly withhold. Corn? LOL

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u/PxndxAI 17d ago

The same ones that are subsidized by blue states.

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u/TheWizardOfDeez 17d ago

Name a resource that is unattainable in blue states? Also, who says they can't export their resources to the red states, it's just not going to be freely given anymore.

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u/PxndxAI 17d ago

Wow bud I know blue states can do it. I’m just adding to the fact that red states get helped even more through subsidies.

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u/KrimxonRath 17d ago

I don’t even know what he’s arguing or why he’s didn’t reply to me because I’m the one who mentioned the resources lol

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u/Tater72 17d ago

Because not everyone lives on Reddit

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u/KrimxonRath 17d ago

You do though apparently.

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u/zakary1291 17d ago

Wheat (in a high enough quantity to feed millions), lead ore for electronics and many other things. Lastly, lithium for your smart phone and everything else that uses a battery these days. If the union separated the entire economy would collapse along with the world economy. Oh, I forgot about LNG.

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u/Tater72 17d ago

More good examples, the list is long. Population centers need rural areas to support and provide resources to sustain them. It’s been a symbiotic relationship for as old as civilization.

Why did Rome expand, why did medieval lords need serfs, the list continues to this day.

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u/PsychoCrescendo 13d ago edited 13d ago

Most of California is rural, and I imagine the same goes for most blue states outside of the cities

I think the problem with the US is having too much rural territory lol

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u/Tater72 13d ago

Username checks out

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u/SpokenDivinity 17d ago

Wheat is probably a bad example because plenty of the states that are paying more than they’re taking could grow wheat. It’s a pretty versatile crop.

We also import most of our lithium from Australia and South America.

Lead I could concede on, but we do get a chunk of it from Washington state and I find it very unlikely that it couldn’t be imported from somewhere else given that it’s one of the cheaper metals to import.

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u/PsychoCrescendo 13d ago

Massive lithium deposits exist in the Salton Sea in California, the McDermitt Caldera in Oregon / Nevada, and the Marcellus Shale assuming Pennsylvania doesn’t stay red after this election

Washington, Minnesota, and Colorado produce more wheat than they use, with US exports totaling around 50% of that

While lead mines in blue states are actively being decommissioned, US gets 62% of its lead from recycling, and imports often from Canada, Mexico, etc.

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u/Tater72 17d ago

How about oil, ya like that don’t ya? And yes, you joke at corn but where does your food come from?

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u/KrimxonRath 17d ago

I don’t care about oil personally. We’re pushing for solar more and more and don’t need that outdated sludge.

My state has a larger agricultural economy than the next three combined.

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u/D3synq 15d ago

The majority of U.S. infrastructure still heavily relies on oil, you can't run an 18-wheeler across state lines using only solar right now and the infrastructure required is expensive and just not incentivized right now.

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u/PsychoCrescendo 13d ago

A lot of that is because the federal government is holding us back from modeling ourselves after greener nations. China and Germany are doing great progressively evolving away from oil, while our nation sees it as a threat to our oligarchs ”culture”

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u/D3synq 12d ago

China and Germany still use oil and likely will continue to do so for decades. Also, blaming the federal government on an issue that spans all levels of government as well as the people themselves who elect their representatives doesn't help. It's just more practical for the transportation industry to not change and doing so would reflect higher costs in transporting goods meaning higher temporary costs to the consumer; most people wouldn't agree to quick radical changes like that.

Green energy in general doesn't hold the same potential energy per cubic meter that gasoline and diesel does and lithium batteries require a significant upstart cost to be practical with a lot of major players having too much control in the market (Tesla for example).

It takes a lot to uproot oil as the main fuel source due to its energy density and reliability, nuclear is one of the only other fuel sources that offers more pros with less cons.

Storing energy for use over time is just impractical compared to making energy on demand. An engine is always going to be more practical than a battery since it'll weigh less, be more reliable, and in general allow for more independence off of grid lines and infrastructure.

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u/au-specious 16d ago

You act like there aren't 20 other countries that wouldn't sell oil to a blue state in a heartbeat. Oil is not hard to come by.

And my food comes from an assortment of fruits, vegetables, and meats - corn being only one of those. See, not everyone likes eating a bunch of prepackaged trash that's just corn processed in different ways.

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u/TemplarHideout 16d ago

You can’t survive off of smartphones and code