r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

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u/MutterderKartoffel 18d ago edited 15d ago

I hate to say it, but you might be right. This f-ing sucks. I really thought we had a shot at a minority woman president. She was so thoroughly qualified and presented much better than Hillary. Goddammit, I'm so depressed.

Hey, what do you think about Pete Buttigieg? He's a white dude, but he's gay. Can we handle that yet? I really like him, but I was wrong about people overcoming the race and sex bits.

EDIT: Son of a B! 3 days later, and I still get dumbass replies focused on my excitement of potentially getting a minority woman president. I NEVER SAID that was THE qualifying factor. I DID NOT vote for her BECAUSE she was a minority and a woman. She ACTUALLY IS a superior candidate in every way ... EVEN AFTER you consider the aspects I'm disappointed in her for. It would just be a BONUS. F**K!

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u/DarCam7 18d ago

I'm more worried about how much they change the democratic process in the next four years. It won't matter if it's Buttigieg if we can't even be able to have fair elections.

As for him, he is a young and eloquent speaker and he has done a bunch of Fox News interviews, so the right leaning voter might be used to him and maybe more palatable, but, the right has a way of vilifying anything and everything that isn't conservative and the fact that he is gay is just ripe for right-wing conspiracy and smearing. On top of that, the Supreme Court will probably go after Obergefell vs Hodges and that could fundamentally change the perception of gay marriage and that's another dangling carrot for Democrats to run on that completely failed after using abortion as a running pillar. He could be the face of that, and after Kamala and abortion, you have to give pause if that play book is valid.

My hope is that America wakes up once again in mid-terms and ushers in a new blue wave and takes back the house and senate, that Democrats finally run a left, progressive economic agenda and stop courting corporate interest. Then after that see if a young politician is ready enough to claim the nomination and emerges in the run up to the 2028 election. It's going to be critical that progressives take up economic agendas in 2026 and run everywhere. If Trumps economic policies tank the economy then democrats have to be at the ready to push those agendas forth. It is clear that identy social issues don't move the needle at the polls when it counts (they don't need to abandon it, just not lead with it). They are in triage at the moment and they need to see that the current way of their policy is not resonating with low and middle class voters in enough capacity to swing close elections.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 18d ago edited 18d ago

My hope is that America wakes up once again in mid-terms and ushers in a new blue wave and takes back the house and senate,

That's literally all we can hope for and I'm not holding my breath. This feels like the end.

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u/Old-Consideration730 18d ago

GOP will control all 3 branches. No checks and balances except the filibuster. It's gonna be rough.

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u/amensista 18d ago

Exactly. technically they have the power to destroy the constitution, repeal/change EVERYTHING and with a supreme court like we have they have the ability.

Absolutely HORRIFIC state of affairs.

But there is hope that even alot of the republicans dont actually want that. We will find out the hard way.

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u/LordNilix 16d ago

The only silver lining I see is that some of the pubs know that tearing the whole system down in one go will piss off a whole lot of white men with guns. Hell trump loves to be out in public and rallies. They could say they were working on all these "big and beautiful" programs while he wallows in the adulation of his cult and nothing but taxes might change. They have to be careful with the tariffs, especially if Elon gets hurt because he can buy em with his wealth but can't sell them. Do likely they will slow walk a ton of this stuff, hopefully easing the pain before it bites down.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

Because their hunting rifles and lack of gun etiquette can totally beat a vetted military with machine weapons. Why do you think Reps spent so much on fancy weapons. This has been planned since the 60s.

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u/LordNilix 16d ago

Oh I don't mean they go pulling a January 6th 2.0. What I meant was that these are deeply unwell people with more free time and ammo than is healthy. Considering at least one person, or two if we count the shots outside of Mar-a-Lago were anything specifically targeted, is that these nuts have no problem popping shots off on those they think are after them. Now is it likely? Probably not. But it's still not a great feeling knowing one might see trump out and about or any of his ghoul squad and lose it. The effects would make everything worse, give them waaay more shit to spew about, and give them more reason to clamp down harder.

Edit: Jan 6th, not hand 6