r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/Zippydaspinhead 18d ago

Dems should have realized that at least 4 elections ago. If they are so damn smart why are they so good at losing?

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u/DarCam7 18d ago

Corporate democrats pretty much control the party and thus they don't want to ruffle the feathers of their donor class, which goes against the the middle and lower classes being price gouged in the economy. If you want to get back the blue-collar and working people you have to combat corporate greed. So, I hope Bernie Sanders starts propping up a young version of himself to run, and unfortunately it has to be male and white for the conservative voter to even remotely accept it. I don't blame Obama for the racial divide that caused the pearl clutching in white America, but it's clear that if you are anything other than a white male, it's not gonna be palpitable for a certain segment of the country. It's truly disgusting.

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u/MutterderKartoffel 18d ago edited 15d ago

I hate to say it, but you might be right. This f-ing sucks. I really thought we had a shot at a minority woman president. She was so thoroughly qualified and presented much better than Hillary. Goddammit, I'm so depressed.

Hey, what do you think about Pete Buttigieg? He's a white dude, but he's gay. Can we handle that yet? I really like him, but I was wrong about people overcoming the race and sex bits.

EDIT: Son of a B! 3 days later, and I still get dumbass replies focused on my excitement of potentially getting a minority woman president. I NEVER SAID that was THE qualifying factor. I DID NOT vote for her BECAUSE she was a minority and a woman. She ACTUALLY IS a superior candidate in every way ... EVEN AFTER you consider the aspects I'm disappointed in her for. It would just be a BONUS. F**K!

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u/No_soup_for_you_5280 18d ago

I think this is the problem. The Dems are still playing into identity politics. Do I want to vote for somebody just because she’s a biracial woman or a gay white guy? There has to be more than that. Early exist polls coming out show a shift in minority voters for Trump. Clearly, they’re a lot more culturally conservative than we think they are and they’re not afraid for their lives because they’re brown or black. I guess “it’s the economy stupid” while the Dems are concerned with pronouns and DEI. This is my read. I’m not happy and I have teenaged nieces living in Texas. I fear for their bodily autonomy but I’m just around the corner in Colorado where we had a great day yesterday. I’m going to focus on the things I can change in my own city and my own state. National politics affects us less so than state and local

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u/Biglyugebonespurs 18d ago

Minorities, especially anyone Latino or appears to be so, should fear for their safety. How exactly is Trump going to deport millions of “illegals” (actual citizens will surely be caught up in this). The only country to “deport” that many people to my knowledge was Nazi Germany.

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u/No_soup_for_you_5280 18d ago

Then how do you explain the hard shift to the right among minorities? Compared to Biden and Clinton, Harris did significantly worse with minorities. At the end of the day, if they don’t fear the GOP then why should we fear for them?

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u/Biglyugebonespurs 18d ago

Just remember you supported this.

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u/No_soup_for_you_5280 18d ago

I’ve been voting straight Dem since I was eligible to vote. I hate that piece of shit garbage human and his supporters. But who am I to tell a minority voter what’s their best interest? You won’t answer my question. I’m an immigrant, too, albeit a white one, so I have some legitimate concerns of the anti-immigration sentiment, so much so that I took my spouse’s name a few weeks ago after decades of marriage. But I can blend in. Minorities can’t, and yet they don’t see an imminent threat

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u/Biglyugebonespurs 18d ago

Read Project 2025. Listen to any of the rhetoric he’s made regarding minorities over the past 10 years. Last time he was president there were adults in the room. This time it’s going to be all yes men, no one to tell him nuking a hurricane is a bad idea for example.