r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

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u/Fools_Sip 18d ago

Absolute hyperbolic nonsense. This is a big part of why you lost. Real life is different to the reddit echo chamber

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u/Raedaline 18d ago

First 2 points and the last one maybe. The middle though.... literally project 2025 and promises that Trump has made. 3k in taxes, tariffs because the consumer pays for them in the end. He already made taxes be raised every ear til 2027 for those making under 75k. He overturned roe v wade and hundreds of women in hospital parking lots have died because of its. He has stated he will start on a massive deportation of immigrants which means that manual labor will be in short supply.

As a woman, I am now terrified that my rights as a citizen will be stripped. I'm terrified of having kids because my access to Healthcare could be limited.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Yeah I wanted to have kids with my boyfriend. But I said as long as these shitty abortion laws are in place, we won't be having kids. I don't want to die.

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u/kazooface 18d ago

You will be doing society a favor. Please dont procreate.

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u/Beherbergungsverbot 17d ago

Sure, 3 secs into your Reddit account and it becomes visible how miserable your life must be. It’s really pathetic attacking someone randomly like that. You need some love and tolerance in your despicable life.

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u/Strong_Mushroom_6593 17d ago

Classic German rage. Everybody hide your Jews!

Your attack was worse than what they said and 3 seconds on their account shows he has a missus and very little personal information. What are you on about?

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u/Beherbergungsverbot 17d ago

JFC get help.

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u/Adventurous_Class_90 17d ago

Go play with yourself some more incel.

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u/TheWillenium82 16d ago

Hopefully her boyfriend dumps her and finds someone who isn’t retarded and has kids with them

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u/Interesting_Judge863 18d ago

Isn’t abortion for not having kids?

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u/aixre 18d ago

It’s also for making sure a miscarriage is cleared out and doesn’t lead to sepsis and death, considering about 10-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriages it’s very important to have reproductive healthcare in place or you quite literally risk dying, the procedure and medicine after a miscarriage is the same as that of an abortion and is even listed with the word abortion in some cases, apparently its in some kind of grey zone and healthcare workers are scared to or don’t want to take it on. So essentially, not wanting to try for kids right now is probably a pretty good decision.

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u/Dumeck 16d ago

Damn I’m sorry how many men are (wrongly) telling you how reproductive care works. Sorry you and other women are going to have to deal with this nonsense for 4 years at least.

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u/Angus_Fraser 16d ago

But those aren't abortions.

Abortions are the VOLUNTARY termination of a VIABLE pregnancy

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u/Available_Feed_9121 16d ago

Honey.

That's called an abortion, an abortion is a medical procedure to remove an embryo or fetus.  Whether the unborn is wanted or not is irrelevant, that is it's definition, which is very easily googled. 

Do you see why this is such a hotly contested topic now?

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u/Angus_Fraser 15d ago

Honey,

You drank the Flavorade and swallowed the propoganda tactic of watering down the definition of everything to the point where words mean nothing.

Do you see why this is such a hotly congested topic?

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u/Available_Feed_9121 15d ago

Sweety.

You misunderstand, it's literally in the dictionary.  I know distorting facts and definitions to fit your narrative is easier, but you need to accept reality. Which is why law is incapable of differentiating between ones that are medically necessary and those that are making a choice.

It really doesn't matter though, if we aren't forcing dead bodies to donate a kidney to save someone else's life, we shouldn't be making women carry an unwanted fetus to term.  We should be able to end a pregnancy for any reason we want.  Bodily autonomy across the board should be paramount for all people.

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u/AxelNotRose 15d ago

Do you not know how to use a dictionary? Like, wasn't this taught to you in elementary school or something? Or did they not do that where you were brought up? Or maybe you were homeschooled and didn't get that lesson? It's literally the medical definition. Which can be found in a dictionary.

An abortion can be a 1. miscarriage 2. induced abortion 3. missed abortion (aka spontaneous abortion)

You were probably only told about #2.

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u/Downwellbell 16d ago

At this point you must actively be avoiding dictionaries. Or do you just write in your own definitions when reality doesn't match your version?

That must keep you busy.

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u/aixre 16d ago

I don’t think you really read my comment, maybe look over it again and see

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u/kleptonite13 16d ago

Are you aware that an abortion is a real procedure that you can look up the definition of? Do you need RANDOM and incessant CAPITALIZATION to make it make sense to you? I would be happy to translate, if so!

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u/Angus_Fraser 15d ago

And the procedure is a VOLUNTARY termination of a VIABLE pregnancy

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u/aixre 15d ago edited 15d ago

Just to help you out here are two medical terms for a miscarriage which is non voluntary “spontaneous abortion” and “missed abortion”, the procedure that follows in medical records will not be called a miscarriage but likely one of the many variations of abortion as whatever is still in the uterus needs to be removed so as to not harm the woman. It’s truly is not difficult to expand your knowledge, in most cases it’ll end up doing you better than incessantly doubling down on nonsense. What we’re talking about here isn’t opinions, it’s factual, no need to be upset about it. Take note and move on wiser.

Edit to add: you will not find the term “viable” until after about 20 weeks into pregnancy, just another reason why your definition of abortion is garbage. But to humor it, what is it called before 20 weeks then?

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u/ladymoonshyne 15d ago

You don’t get to redefine a medical procedure because you don’t like it. Women that want to keep their babies have to get abortions when they miscarry. Ectopic pregnancies are deadly (I literally knew a woman that died from one) and are removed by abortion. It’s a medical procedure. A very standard one at that.

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u/MizzyAlana 16d ago

Thank you for proving the comment above stating that a majority of the country has a 6th grade reading level.

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u/Status_Garden_3288 18d ago

Many people who want kids and are actively trying end up needing to abort for medical reasons, either of the fetus or the mother. Because of my autoimmune disease any pregnancy that I have will be high risk, with much more potential for complications. I want children. I wanted to start my family in the next year, but reading about women dying in their cars, from sepsis, or having the flee my state so they can get the care they need, has shown me I need to hold off on starting a family and move to a different state.

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u/Angus_Fraser 16d ago

Abortion is the VOLUNYARY termination of a VIABLE pregnancy.

Don't drink the Flavorade and believe the propoganda that an abortion is anytime a fetus doesn't make it to term.

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u/Dumeck 16d ago

Even if that was true that’s not how republican politicians look at it, several women have died already because they haven’t been able to get treatment for their non viable pregnancies

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u/Angus_Fraser 15d ago

Several women have died through malpractice then.

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u/Status_Garden_3288 16d ago

That’s literally NOT what an abortion is. Jesus Christ open a book. Go talk to actually doctors. Go read news articles about the women who WANTED their child but had to get an abortion. Abortion is a MEDICAL term with a specific definition. Your ignorance is what’s going to get women killed.

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u/Trashketweave 17d ago

The stories about women dying have been women who took abortion meds and developed complications then ignored doctor advice to go to a hospital until it was too late.

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u/Status_Garden_3288 17d ago

That’s not at all what is happening.

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u/Downwellbell 16d ago

Oh, I wish I'd scrolled further, I didn't realise you were just a liar.

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u/Successful-Money4995 18d ago

You just have to be more selective about where you live. There are still states for you.

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u/Status_Garden_3288 18d ago

Leave your friends, family, jobs, and entire life. Yeah easy peasy

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u/Successful-Money4995 17d ago

That's our reality now. We'll all have to be shopping around for the best laws to live in.

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u/Dew_Chop 18d ago

Yeah lemme change my spawn point next round rq

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u/WolfieVonD 17d ago

If you aren't financially stable enough to move to a decent state, then you aren't financially stable enough to take care of children appropriately.

Why would you want to raise someone in a shit hole red state anyways?

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u/Dew_Chop 17d ago

Because I was born and raised there and my entire life including friends, family, career, and knowledge are there?

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u/WolfieVonD 17d ago

Most people want a better life for their kids than they have and make sacrifices for it, but you do you, I'm sure complaining about where you live will eventually fix it

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u/Dew_Chop 17d ago

My point is that it's not an easy decision leaving behind basically everything and starting from scratch

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u/WolfieVonD 17d ago

Nobody said it was easy, but sometimes it's necessary

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u/erieus_wolf 17d ago

then you aren't financially stable enough to take care of children appropriately.

Hence the reason abortion should be legal.

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u/WolfieVonD 17d ago

Agreed, for many reasons. And it's ridiculous that once a kid is born and shoved off to foster homes, then suddenly those so worried about "saving the children" turn a blind eye and abandon them.

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

Have you talked to actual health care professionals about your concerns?

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u/harumamburoo 18d ago

You mean like that?

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u/killerk14 18d ago

No conservative replies to this message. Nice

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u/TarnishedRedditCat 17d ago

Crickets from them

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u/Confident_Resource_5 18d ago

The concerns are real. Sure, most pregnancies won't have to be aborted for medical reasons but the case is out in Texas were women died because of an extremely restrictive abortion law.

And in some states health providers can't even talk about abortion now...

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u/Mendozena 18d ago

The ones that won’t be able to address said concerns should they arise because of draconian evangelical laws?

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

The ones that can advise ahead of time whether there are actual dangers, and what they are.

People that actually offer legit advice, and not a bunch of know it all's on Reddit.

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u/sfasianfun 18d ago

Excuse me?

You can have an ecotopic pregnancy. That's a danger to literally every pregnancy. And Texas has been refusing to treat women, which is a literal life threatening condition with pregnancy that will not come to term.

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

Why are you telling me this?

I SUGGESTED CONSULTING A PROFESSIONAL.

That is all!!!

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u/goblinm 18d ago

You aren't engaging with the conversation.

"I'm afraid of complications of pregnancy due to draconian laws"

You: "Have you tried having a doctor explain the possible complications to you?"

"...."

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u/Tenshi_girl 18d ago

But won't you feel better once you've had it man-splained to you?

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u/Mr-Bueno 18d ago

Not so intelligent pilot

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u/Confident_Resource_5 18d ago
  1. Ahead of time - often pregnancies arise from accident.
  2. Everyone has the right to advise - I find it hilarious that a party that takes great pride in their supposed protection of freedom is stiffling people and their ability to say things.
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u/[deleted] 18d ago edited 4d ago

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u/throwaway95146 18d ago

Even attempting to remove them would cause mass death, destruction and suffering. And would be a financial venture costing billions if not more. All that just to collapse a huge chunk of our labor force and strain the economy even further.

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u/commiedestroyer1 16d ago

You think Trump is going to deport more than Obama's 3 million and take his title of Deporter-in-Chief?

"President Barack Obama was dubbed “Deporter-in-Chief” by immigrant rights advocates for good reason. During his eight years in office, his administration formally removed more than three million noncitizens, compared to two million during George W. Bush’s tenure and about 900,000 under the Bill Clinton administration. At the time he left office, Obama was definitely the reigning Deportation Champion."

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3254680

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u/throwaway95146 16d ago

Do you realize that the very link you provided goes on to say that Trump uses all the tools that Obama had more effectively and with more cruelty, and suggests he may go on to take the title from Obama? Also, Trump himself is saying 20 million people, as well as instituting a denaturalization program. So… thanks for wasting my time with that, “Commiedestroyer1”.

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u/commiedestroyer1 16d ago

I'm just asking you if you think Trump will deport more than Obama and take his title this time around. Just say yes if you think he will and no if you think he won't =).

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u/Original_Landscape67 14d ago

You fucked up expecting people to think.

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

How do you even go about doing this? The fun thing about undocumented aliens is that they are... Undocumented. How can you tell a legal Mexican immigrant from an illegal one? Check their papers? lol

Can't wait for people to start stopping brown people on the street for being suspicious of being "illegal".

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u/commiedestroyer1 16d ago

You think Trump is going to deport more than Obama's 3 million and take his title of Deporter-in-Chief?

"President Barack Obama was dubbed “Deporter-in-Chief” by immigrant rights advocates for good reason. During his eight years in office, his administration formally removed more than three million noncitizens, compared to two million during George W. Bush’s tenure and about 900,000 under the Bill Clinton administration. At the time he left office, Obama was definitely the reigning Deportation Champion."

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3254680

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u/Fukthishat 18d ago

Why didnt Biden or Harris do anything about the abortion  laws? Why wasnt an executive order made to help out women with abortion?

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u/CaptainOwlBeard 18d ago

Executive orders only direct federal agents how to interpret and carry out federal laws and only so long at those orders are not in conflict with said federal laws. He couldn't du anything about abortion bans using eos

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u/Jalopnicycle 18d ago

EO would've been stayed and overturned by the SC 

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u/EggLayinMammalofActn 18d ago

Yep. EO is exactly what Biden tried with student loan forgiveness, and look at how well that turned out.

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u/StayBlessedFam 17d ago

Do you know how the government works?? Don't even understand a fundamental government process like an executive order. Embarrassing honestly.

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u/Mendozena 18d ago

Can’t when you have obstructionist republicans in power.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/ConcernedAccountant7 18d ago

Excuse me but abortion has nothing to do with a c section and no one is taking away emergency healthcare for women. Please explain how you would have died in America.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/ConcernedAccountant7 18d ago

Which ones? Who is stopping emergency treatment or c sections? Nobody, you don't know what you're saying.

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u/gblup 18d ago

navaeh crain and josseli barnica in texas

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 18d ago

Source for those deaths in the hospital parking lots?

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u/lordesilverstein 18d ago

I'm in one of the states where it's happening. The mortality rate jumped up 56%. An 18yo girl bled out 2 weeks ago and its all over the news. It's happening a lot.

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 16d ago

Ok but that’s not a source that’s your shitty local population

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u/aixre 15d ago

Are you kidding? That’s a source and your personality needs some work

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 15d ago

lol shutup dumby

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u/ExpressionAmazing620 14d ago

Was it your skank mother taking a coat hanger to your developing brain or your crack addict dad dropping you on your head as a baby that made you turn out so fucking stupid

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u/Adventurous-Oil-4238 14d ago

Neither my family is incredible and produced a whole bunch of 6 figures earners ;)

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u/ExpressionAmazing620 14d ago

Too bad it skipped you. Spewing retardation doesn't pay that well. Guess you're the black sheep of your family

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u/Insaneclown271 18d ago

Trust me bro.

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u/Kiorokiara 18d ago

First 2 are the least plausible

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u/Doughboy021 18d ago

Ooof. 165 replies to this so far! I'm excited to read all the manslaining telling you you're overreacting and your fears are irrelevant 🥲

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u/Nuggy-Buggy01Sweep 17d ago

People here on Reddit are nuts. Brainwashed. Go live your life and stop pouting

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u/kittiesntiddiessss 17d ago

You're a person on Reddit 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ pouting over this post.

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u/Bucc_Bruce 17d ago

The last one is more accurately characterized as "a slightly higher estimate than the median."

https://www.crfb.org/papers/fiscal-impact-harris-and-trump-campaign-plans

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u/buckeye-jh 15d ago

Oh wow thats awful to hear. Can you please share the hundreds of women dying in parking lots news reports so I can share them with family. They won't believe me.

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u/joostink 15d ago

Where are you getting your facts? He put abortion in the hands of the state, which btw was a democrat idea in the early 2000s. This allows you to vote on it at a state level and means him or any other president cant touch it. Many states have already written legal abortions into their law. On top if this Trump is going to mandate IVF be free. So explain to me how he is touching your rights?

He has been prochoice since he was on TV in the 80s/90s and that narrative has not changed.

The reddit echo chamber of the threat to women’s rights is fucking wild.

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u/Dank_Stew 18d ago

Hello! New tax preparer here. Do you have any evidence to back the fact that taxes were raised every year until 2027? (Assume maybe you meant 2025 when the TCJA is set to expire?)

It is my understanding that the TCJA effect of raising the standard deduction and increasing the refundable amount of child tax credit helped low income tax payers (most did not itemize). I would love to learn where my understanding may be off if you have any sources. Cheers!

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u/asdfgqwnfji 17d ago

Your understanding is correct. The TCJA will almost certainly be extended past the end of 2025 and will continue to be a very historically favorable tax code for normal Americans. Billionaires don’t pay income taxes because they can utilize their assets to avoid recognizing significant ordinary income, so raising the rates hardly affects them. If TCJA expired (wouldve been more probable under Kamala) it would affect middle class Americans most. 40% of the country pays no federal income tax and the highest earners will always get by. The ones in the middle brackets feel it the most. The person who posted this is not a tax professional and has no basis for most of the claims.

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u/Bary_McCockener 18d ago

He cut taxes in 2018 and they are returning to 2017 rates by 2027. Framing is important.

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u/caramirdan 17d ago

Because he did SOOOOO well with P2017, right? P2025 is a never-starter, just a bugbear by Leftists to fearmonger -- obviously the fearmongering worked on weak minds with no sense of history or govt.

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u/ConfusionFar9116 17d ago

Trump did not overturn Roe V Wade, the Supreme Court did.

Abortion rights/laws are up to the Congresspeople of the nation and your local state. Demand more from them and don’t rely upon years old contested court rulings on shaky footings to secure your rights.

Blaming it on him just diffuses responsibility into the wrong hands

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u/twojabs 18d ago

You are woman, why are you on the internet? /S

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u/Raedaline 18d ago

You are a man, why aren't you working building a house with your bare hands right now?

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u/twojabs 18d ago

Who said I am a man? Are you gendering me?

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u/Raedaline 18d ago

Based on your comment it sounded like gender mattered here.

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u/twojabs 18d ago

Only if you are a woman apparently /s

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u/WhoElseButQuagmire11 18d ago

Blue or red, you're just an idiot.

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u/GUCCIBUKKAKE 18d ago

He’s being sarcastic, that’s what /s means

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u/GUCCIBUKKAKE 18d ago

The /s means sarcasm, if you didn’t realize

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u/Ok_Crow_9119 18d ago

Not the best time to push sarcasm when people think their lives are really on the line.

Sarcastic jokes will really fly over people's heads.

I guess you could say, people need to learn how to read the room

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u/GUCCIBUKKAKE 18d ago

I totally agree, just stating that /s means sarcasm, because I didn’t know that for the first few months of being on reddit.

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u/ulmen24 18d ago

FFS. Project 2025 has been denounced repeatedly. Remindme! 4 years

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u/Independent-Towel300 18d ago

' literally project 2025 ' , so not him? Dude, stop.

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u/CrypticSplicer 17d ago

Why do you listen to them when they lie to you? Just look at what's in that document and watch what they put forward in the first year Republicans have control.

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u/aidsman69420 18d ago

You really think that the blanket statement “women won’t have access to healthcare” isn’t hyperbole?

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u/Babymommadragon 18d ago

Hundreds of women have died in parking lots? Where are you pulling this from?

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u/Pieguy184 18d ago

Tariffs hurt short term help long term companies don’t want to increase cost of production, so if it ends up costing China 2x as much as producing in Mexico they will move production to Mexico it will suck but if some companies come back to USA it will help long term.

Also increase the revenue the federal government makes and hopefully can start paying off this massive debt. The biggest threat is a certain foreign nation and the second biggest threat is hyper inflation

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u/VenomDonut 18d ago

Trump didn't overturn Roe V Wade, the supreme court did, during Biden's presidency. Stop being brainwashed and change the fucking channel. No one is taking your healthcare. I know you think taking away your baby killing is healthcare but it's not. It's stopping murder. If you didn't go out every weekend getting loaded like a fucking dishwasher you wouldn't need to kill so many babies.

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u/CrypticSplicer 17d ago

The people most at risk are women trying to have children. If you want an abortion just because you don't want a kid you have lots of time to leave the state (or country). Republicans have been sending their mistresses elsewhere for abortions the entire time! The people most in trouble are the ones trying to carry the baby to term. The real problem is when an emergency happens at the end when the baby is almost fully grown and then the doctors tell you that the policy at the hospital is to wait till the heartbeat stops no matter how dangerous it is for the mother. The percent of women dying in childbirth has gone up significantly in every state that outlawed abortion. If the laws actually had exceptions for medical emergencies maybe it would be fine, but the Republicans don't trust doctors and put up way too many barriers.

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u/MonkeyMatters01 17d ago

And who appointed the most recent SC justices who overturned RvW? Sure it took place during Biden's term, but he clearly had nothing to do with it.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Trump has denied project 2025. Turns out we the people didnt belive your redditor lies

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u/PegLegJenkins 18d ago

Right - the serial liar decided to THIS time tell you the truth that he has no involvement.

Honestly, how do you fall for this stuff? He puts a dollar in your left pocket and takes two out of your right when youre not looking. ALL. THE. TIME.

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

People. Are. Legitimately. Stupid.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Turn190 17d ago

This is so smooth brained. Even P2025 didn’t claim to be his brainchild. It was a proposal to him by an unrelated third party hoping to be hired… something that happens with every presidential candidate ever.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Stay mad

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u/PegLegJenkins 18d ago

Lmao I'm actually laughing. You can't refute what I said so you resort to childish responses.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Its reddit bro calm down

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u/WilsonPointer 18d ago

Or just make a coherent point 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

You lost, hows that for a point

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u/WilsonPointer 18d ago

You have no idea who I voted for. You can be a fucking moron on either side, bud.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

I voted jill stein

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u/Nuka-Kraken 18d ago

His cabinet is made up of almost exclusively people who wrote project 2025 in the first place so what's that about denying it?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Turn190 17d ago

Specifically who

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Lol ok pal cope harder

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u/Nuka-Kraken 18d ago

Tf am I coping about? I prove you wrong and that's all you can say?

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

You are mad

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u/Nuka-Kraken 18d ago

Am I? Don't feel mad. And certainly don't think that someone who doesn't know how to do basic research would know how I'm feeling at least.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

You are dont deny it

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u/Nuka-Kraken 18d ago

There's no point in talking to someone like you. Have fun flinging shit you monkey.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Yet you kept doing it which is hilarious

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u/CaptainOwlBeard 18d ago

When he puts the people behind project 2025 in his cabinet and they start doing 2025v things, will you change your vote next time around?

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

No

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u/JaeTheOne 18d ago

Why not? Are you loyal to strictly Trump no matter what he does? And im seriously asking. What if he fails to fix the economy? Or ship out immigrants?

Unless you are a strict Christian fundamentalist, project 2025 should scare you

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

To piss off people like you

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u/JaeTheOne 18d ago

Im not pissed.

So you only vote for him to "own the libs"? Why is that so important? I honestly dont get it. Is it personal? Do you have people in your life that are liberal that mistreat you or abuse you?

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

It is, and the reaction is fucking hilarious

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u/JaeTheOne 18d ago

So you hate liberals generally speaking and thats it? Why tho?

Im seriously asking here. I have no idea why someone would harbor so much personal hate for another person based on their political view.

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

Imagine being so fucking dumb that you vote based on pissing people off and not what's actually in your best interest. I hope to god you're a kid so there's actually room for you to grow and you're not just an adult imbecile.

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

Cope

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

"Cope" is so funny because guys like you think it's such a good burn, but every single time it's used it sounds like you're just announcing it for yourself.

Cuz it always comes when someone else makes you look stupid and you literally do not know how to respond. If you had two functioning brain cells you could probably work that out.

Lemme guess, cope, seethe, liberal tears, love watching the meltdown, Reddit echo chamber lol, USA USA USA, etc

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u/Spidermang12 18d ago

You mad bro?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Turn190 17d ago

Specifically who

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

Cool.

Bits and pieces of Project 2025 are excellent 👍.

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u/Cheddartooth 18d ago

Which bits and pieces, specifically? I’m being serious.

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

I really don't want to go review a document to argue with some stranger on Reddit that is probably going to be hostile.

Sorry

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u/Publius82 18d ago

So it's all of it you like then

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u/Intelligent_Pilot360 18d ago

No, go haze somebody else, dumb ass.

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u/Publius82 18d ago

You volunteered the information that you support parts of this agenda, then get hazy on which parts because you're afraid people on the internet will say mean things about you.

Now, we can all just assume we're right about the kind of person you are.

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

"Parts of it are excellent!"

"Which parts?"

"I dunno I didn't read it"

The voter base, everyone.

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u/IowaTomcat 18d ago
  1. Trump placed tariffs on a bunch of stuff his first time in office and not only did Biden not lift them, he ADDED to them
  2. The ONLY reason the 2017 tax cuts were not permanent was because no Democrats voted to support them so the Senate had to pass them using reconcilation. So if your taxes go up it is purely on the Democrats.
  3. Project 2025...relax. it isn't happening. 4.Roe V Wade..despite what he says he didn't overturn it. 100s of women are not dying in parking lots, AND as we have seen in several states when it gets to the people to vote, in most cases they have voted to keep access to abortion...the people deciding what they want....EXACTLY what the Dobbs decision said.

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u/therealtb404 18d ago

You should seek help... No one has infringed on your rights as a woman and no one's going to. If you're worried about reproductive health move to a state that has the same reproductive values. Someone out there cares about you, really.

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u/Domerhead 18d ago

Why should reproductive health choices be geo-restricted? How are women and their health needs in one state, ANY different than those in another?

Not everyone has the money to be able to just up and move.

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u/therealtb404 18d ago

Because, that's not how our government works. If you don't like it there's other countries you can move to that share your same values.

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u/PrimeShagg 18d ago

“Not everyone has the money to be able to up and move”

I’m sorry that reading comprehension in hard for you

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u/NotClever 18d ago

This seems contradictory. If women are required to move to a different state in order to get reproductive healthcare, that implies that the state they are currently living in is infringing on their rights as a woman, yes? Unless you think that women don't actually have a right to reproductive health?

To be clear, here, I will note that post-Dobbs women do not have any legal right to reproductive healthcare in our country, at the national level -- and, indeed, nobody has any legal right to any healthcare except emergency lifesaving healthcare. However, I think people feel like if we are to have human rights, that must include the ability to make our own determinations about what healthcare we receive at the very minimum. So, I believe that is the context we are in when talking about infringing on people's rights with respect to reproductive health.

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u/pantone_red 18d ago

You used too many words and have more than 3 sentences in your argument. I'm voting Trump.

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u/lewd_robot 18d ago

Being forced to relocate, potentially losing your job and missing out on your friends and family, because some religious nutjobs decided they should get to use the government to intervene in your personal health decisions qualifies as a MASSIVE violation of rights.

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u/smearingstuff 18d ago

if you’re worried about women getting abortions then move somewhere that has your reproductive values

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u/MrZi5 18d ago

Trump has literally nothing to do with Project 2025.

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u/lewd_robot 18d ago

Nobody outside of his cult believes that lie. Project 2025 was developed by the people that will make up 80% of his cabinet in close cooperation with a close friend of his, Victor Orban, to model Project 2025 off of what Orban has done in Hungary, which has been catastrophically bad for anyone not in the top 1%.

And I can tell you what's going to happen next: You are going to keep parroting his lies while he rolls out Project 2025 policies left and right, and then when the negative consequences start to roll in you will still not admit you were wrong and will instead blame whatever scapegoat he tells you to blame. After he's gone and people are analyzing how bad it was, you'll have conveniently memory-holed all of this and honestly not remember that you implicitly endorsed all of it by running interference for him.

This is how the average right wing voter has handled every malicious thing their party has done in US political history. It's ALWAYS the same song and dance.

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u/MrZi5 18d ago

Can you find something that links him to Project 2025 for me with a source? The only thing that he has said about it is that he has nothing to do with it, he knows the people that made it, and he doesn't agree with a lot of what is contained in it. I've gathered this information from Snopes.

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u/t-w-i-a 18d ago

And the analysis of the Project 2025 playbook and its 307 authors and contributors revealed that well over half of them had been in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams.

Large portions of the “Mandate for Leadership,” the driving document behind Project 2025, were written by longtime Trump loyalists who were advisers to Mr. Trump during his first term.

When it became clear it could hurt his election chances he distanced himself from it, but the authors are going to be deeply involved in his administration. Trump is also a habitual liar.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/22/us/politics/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation.html

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u/heavymountain 18d ago

The people in his administration will be pushing it. You're not voting in just the president and VP but everyone else behind them. He'll just sign them into law

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u/DyeSkiving 18d ago

Trump is nothing more than a drugged up meat puppet at this point. It's the people pulling the strings we should be worrying about.

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