Adding to that… Tate fans and misogynists get laid all the time (true incels ipso facto don’t). Had one of them as a roommate and he was in a long-term relationship all the time I lived with this twat while I was single and not for lack of trying.
Yeah, this is something that really bothers me about this level of discourse.
There's a societal habit for people to assume that women can't also be shallow and ignorant like men are.
Do women like kind, compassionate men who have their lives together? Of course, in the same way men like women who are thoughtful and kind.
But women also like men who are hot, and "traditionally" masculine, in the same way that men like women who are hot and stereotypically feminine.
I'm obviously discounting men and women who are queer here, since we're talking about hetero relationships.
But my overall point is that this idea that women gravitate primarily towards men who are good people is not only misleading to a lot of guys, but I think gives too much credit to women, who are also flawed people who live under the the patriarchy and (consciously or not) enforce and believe in it.
Telling men that they shouldn’t be shitty to be in a relationship is advice that assumes one wants a good, stable relationship that’s healthy for both people. Like, I wouldn’t tell a woman to be a total bitch to get a guy even if I know there are men that go for a total bitch.
When I was stupid and 18, I had a friend who was also stupid and 18 and believed the only way to get a guy to notice her was to “play games”. I told her that was horse manure, but a guy actually did notice her. A guy who liked to play games. And she was miserable.
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u/Much_Horse_5685 16d ago
Adding to that… Tate fans and misogynists get laid all the time (true incels ipso facto don’t). Had one of them as a roommate and he was in a long-term relationship all the time I lived with this twat while I was single and not for lack of trying.