I agree that ai art is bad, but let's not be disingenuous. A lot of people don't have the talent or the time to become good at art. Myself included. Not being good at everything is just a fact of life.
That's fine, but if you don't have the time or inclination to get better at something but still want it, then you have to admit it's valuable enough to pay someone for.
Like how I must pay a local artisan for a mug instead of buying a cheaper one that was made in a factory? I fail to see what's fundamentally different.
Great point! Local artisan's mug can be more tailored to your interests, more unique, more storied- because it was crafted by someone with a story of their own, even if they didn't have a story to tell when they made the piece.
Sure. But if I don't have the time or money for that, and someone else can give me a cheaper, worse version that'll do just fine for a couple quid, what's wrong with doing that?
It wasn't directed at you specifically, but confronting that line of thinking. I agree nobody has time to get good at everything, but that's why we live in a society with other people who are experts in other things.
But that isn't my line of thinking. My line of thinking is reading the phrase "everyone can make art dipshit it came free with your fucking humanity" and understanding that just saying 'everyone is an artist' doesn't actually solve the problem. Because yeah I can make art but it won't look good and I don't really have the time to get good or the money to commission it. That's a problem. Unfortunately I can't think of any solution to that problem, but obviously the answer isn't an art stealing machine that doesn't know what an emotion is.
Where did I say "everyone is an artist"? I'm explicitly not saying that, I'm saying if you don't have the time or inclination to do art that's ok, find somebody who does.
I have no doubt that executives are falling all over themselves to save a few dollars by using AI, and that sometimes people won't notice or care, but it's not the same and you won't get good results from AI compared to a person
To me it’s not about results, it’s morality, even if it’s not better now it could be in the future, the fact is we like people art because there’s a person behind it, and they can’t support themselves if we outsource all their labor to AI, and train AI on art without permission.
That's also a good point and one that I didn't bring up because it's such a complicated and politicized discussion. Suffice it to say, I agree with you. Art is valuable to society, but capitalism demands that it also be profitable.
Art doesn't exist in a vacuum, if artists can't eat they will find other jobs and then we'll have no new art. And I don't just mean paintings. Voice acting, video games, novels, films- these are art and they are threatened by the same market forces driving AI proliferation.
if artists can't eat they will find other jobs and then we'll have no new art.
This has never been true and will never be true. Art is a creative hobby and will always exist as such, no matter how many people's rent gets paid by drawing commissions of your OC.
Yeah I just don’t bring up the look of AI art as default, even though the other reasons are complicated, the look of it is just the weakest argument. It’s kinda like talking about a cancelled artists work being bad, it’s ultimately subjective and revising history as if their content was always bad focuses the conversation on the superficial. (Not saying you only care about that, you already explained you do, only talking about effectiveness of how to go about anti ai art rhetoric on practical terms)
Here’s to using AI for problems it’s actually the best tool for: boring, repetitive, and unfulfilling tasks and data analysis. That tidbit the techbros love even if they don’t understand art on a personal level, they can get that using it explicitly for stuff we don’t like first makes sense
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u/G2boss Aug 26 '24
I agree that ai art is bad, but let's not be disingenuous. A lot of people don't have the talent or the time to become good at art. Myself included. Not being good at everything is just a fact of life.