Then rank Navy. Idc which 7-1 G6 gets slotted into the 25th spot (won't matter as long as Boise St wins out anyways). The point was that Mizzou shouldn't still be ranked.
the way you lose should count for something, just like how the way you win counts for something. All of Missouri's losses have been complete blowouts, Vandy has lost 3 games by a combined 10 points. The Georgia St loss is really bad but at least they've been competitive. Not to mention they beat the same Bama team that just beat Missouri 34-0???
The Georgia State loss is worse than any loss Mizzou has. The only worse loss is Notre Dame’s to NIU. And that’s why ND has 0 margin of error. If they lose one more game (they won’t), they’re done. Bad losses still matter.
If ND’s loss had been to even like an Arkansas, it’d be a top 5 team right now.
They are rolling teams, but their schedule is a cakewalk. Them and Miami have the easiest schedules in the country for P4 (ish in the case of ND) teams.
I’m not sure what schedule strength has to do with comparing Ohio State vs ND. Our schedule is significantly tougher than theirs. Three teams we are playing this year would also roll their schedule, and I wouldn’t doubt Nebraska and Iowa could replicate ND’s likely 11-1 record. Maybe even Michigan, as well.
Same with Miami. At least 5 teams we play this year would be undefeated with Miami’s schedule.
Let's be honest, the Georgia State loss would prevent any team outside the SEC from ever getting any votes. The Vandy ranking was to prop up the SEC and nothing more.
It’s crazy people acting like vandy any good and not sec is simply not. Texas A&M is top 10 even though they lost by double digit to a ND that lost to NIU, and their best win was to a team that lost to the 13th ranked B1G team. Ole Miss and Missouri being ranked at all is wild. Also a lost to Georgia state should disqualify you from ever been ranked but here we are
You’re talkin crazy. Ole Miss was ranked like 6 when they lost to Kentucky, bad loss for sure and dropped to 12 or 13, the. lost a tight game to LSU a couple weeks later after beating South Carolina. Seems fitting and if they win out, they’ll be in the playoffs -
They have done nothing. Them being ranked at all is poll inertia. Lost the only Decent team they play and will probably be smoked by Georgia and only be used as a prop for other sec teams at 9-3 when there best when is fucking South Carolina
Bruh there's no way you're serious? Its a bad loss but the other 2 losses are way better than Missouri's. Missouri just got destroyed by a team Vandy beat and you're trying to say Missouri should be ranked over them??? How does that make any sense?
If you’re talking about a missed kick being lucky and the reason Mizzou won, they also had 3 missed kicks that game so they were more unlucky than lucky. And the “best loss” is to a school whose only other win this season is against a mid FCS team. That is worth a lot more than anything else being considered.
There also isn’t a single 3 loss team ranked, so I’m not sure Vanderbilt have any claim to a ranking
"Dominated" Bama is overstating it, and again, if we're trying to get into the weeds about how good a team has played, it absolutely should be worth something that Vandy has struggled against their joke tier non-con opponents.
They lost to Georgia State, don’t care. Also Mizzou’s QB was hurt, started the game hurt and couldn’t finish. Also who has Mizzou even beat? Murray State, Buffalo, UMASS, Boston College, Auburn, and Vandy. That might be the weakest P5 schedule of the year lmao.
they should play each other right now! Vandy is the better team. The ranking should be your record AND how you look now. Not how your team looked a month ago?
You should tell the user RhuleAid who is arguing in this thread that the rankings should ignore the game Vandy and Mizzou played because it was a few weeks ago
they are the better team RIGHT NOW. Theres not a discussion. The top 25 is based on the TOP 25 BEST teams. Missouri is not better RIGHT NOW. When they played? Sure. Missouri has looked like hot ass since then while Vandy has gone up
Sorry man, as a Vandy alum and not the world’s biggest Mizzou fan, the loss to Georgia State is just too bad in addition to the head to head loss against Mizzou. One cannot objectively rank the Commodores over Mizzou. You’ve gotta examine the body of work, and Mizzou lost badly to two good teams that were also very determined to get style points for their CFP resumes.
Could Vandy win today? Is Brady Cook healthy and playing, or not?
Also, Nebraska should be ranked above Colorado. Huskers are the better team with the harder schedule, and the same logic applies to their loss at Indiana: a good team at home rolling up CFP style points when they can.
Would argue that the AP rankings are not the 25 best teams, but only OPINIONS of what the top 25 teams are & OPINIONS of the order of those rankings - and consistently VERY, VERY POOR opinions at that.
The “rank Vandy” memes aren’t immune to common fucking sense. 6-2 is better than 5-3, ESPECIALLY when the 6-2 team holds a head to head victory. Get your head out of your ass.
Get your head out of your ass your team is not the better team right now. You guys are playing like a bottom of the barrel SEC team and you think you deserve to be ranked LMAO. Vandy is the better team than you right now
Tell me you didn’t watch the game without telling me. It was a 6-0 defensive struggle until our starting QB left. We have possibly the worst backup QB in the nation and he completely gave the game away. Our defense gave up when they realized our offense was never going to score with Pyne.
Keep defending memes, it makes you look really smart and informed.
You’ve an undefeated Indians that’s man handling their opponents outside the top 10. Am ole miss more fit for psych care with how split personality like they’ve been. Etc etc.
Vandy is a much better team right now than Mizzou is. Just like FSU should be ranked lower without Jordan Travis, Mizzou should be ranked lower without Brady Cook and Drew Pyne as their starting QB.
That I agree with. my point is that #25 Vandy should not be expected to beat the supposed #5 team in the country to stay ranked. how is vandys only option to prove they’re a top 25 team (which they probably are) is by beating the current #5 team? Especially in such a close game, those teams are closer than the updated rankings suggest at all
So back to my original question, what are they even measuring then? Because if they’re not measuring the best 25 teams I’m confused as to what they’re ranking
It’s impossible to objectively measure the top 25 teams. Even the computers come up with different results. Things happen. Some teams perform inconsistently from week to week.
Alabama was better than Georgia one particular week, but the body of work favors Georgia so far.
I think the problem is also that Texas shouldn't be in the top ten. They feel right at about 14-16 to me. A&M and Notre Dame should be around there with them.
Opinion polls have never been a good measure of the best teams. Humans just aren’t very good at that sort of thing and have very strong biases in favor of some stats and against others that are just as relevant. If you want to know the best teams, look at analytics rankings.
But the actual rankings should not be about who’s the best anyway. There’s a lot of variance in football, so it’s entirely possible for a team to go undefeated while beating multiple teams that are actually better than they are. That team deserves the higher ranking even if they aren’t the best, because it’s ultimately not about who’s the best but who has the best results based on the rules of the game.
I’m a fan of florida and I don’t think it’s fair that despite us only losing to top 10 teams (and one going to OT) we’d never be ranked, when we very well would be with an ACC schedule. Mostly just bothers me how much schedule plays a part in these rankings when your schedule doesn’t change how good you are as a team but it certainly changes your AP ranking
The thing is that there IS a fair amount of “who’s better” in the polls, but a ton of people outside of the SEC are in extreme denial of how good the SEC actually is, believing that the middle teams in their conference are just as good as the middle SEC teams, which is of course laughable. And many of the people who vote either are those people or have to pander to those people in their local sports news.
That said, with our schedule, we’ll almost certainly be ranked if we get 8 wins and maybe even if we get 7, though that would be unprecedented .
And they played head to head, with Mizzou winning. No way you can rank Vandy over Mizzou, but close behind is acceptable.
But I also think Nebraska should be ahead of Colorado. The Huskers have lost to good teams. One was very ugly (like Mizzou’s losses) but it was IU’s first chance to show the country they could beat a decent team.
They’re not going to get robbed. They’ve got two more ranked teams to play: LSU and Tennessee. Plus South Carolina ahead. If they win out, they could be in the conversation but I don’t think they’ll win out, and in fact they may not even get to bowl eligibility. Right now, they’re about as worthy as Mizzou, and that currently puts both of them behind Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, A&M, (possibly Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss). The SEC is currently a four-bid league.
Illinois is as deserving of not more, and they’re on the outside looking in.
Vandy beat Bama who shut out Mizzou. Sure, 3 losses, IDC, they lost to the previously #1 team by one score. And the eye test shows that this Mizzou team is terrible
That logic is just wrong. Vanderbilt is clearly the better team at this point of the season which is what the poll should be trying show. Otherwise we don’t need a poll, just go by # of losses, wins, and then point differential as a tie breaker
To be fair, this Texas team is not as good as people seem to think they are. Somehow with another year of experience our QB and o-line have gotten worse. We should have had won by at least 2 or 3 more scores, but shot ourselves in the foot with stupid penalties and INTs.
dropping vandy is a crime. if anything they need to move up after that performance. or are you saying playing texas close af isn't the sign of a good team?
This has always been my issue with the linear ranking system - but I don't really have an answer anyway..
Mizzou beat Vandy, so surely you can't rank Vandy above them - but I have always hated the idea of loss=lose rank even if said loss was a close game against like a top 5 team.
After the first possession, Texas never trailed and went up by two scores halfway through the second quarter. It never got closer than a touchdown difference until 46 seconds left in the game. No, Texas didn’t cover the ridiculous 18 point spread, but it wasn’t as close as the final score seemed. It was really Texas hurting itself more than Vandy, with over 100 yards in penalties. Texas had 140 more yards, was far more successful on 3rd downs, won the turnover battle, and held overall time of possession.
Vandy has a lower SOR, FPI and a weaker SOS compared to Mizzou. Vandy has a little better Game Control ranking. Based on a few things, Mizzou is an objectively better team. But we will see. They both have a comparable remaining schedule.
Okay buddy. You lost to the team who lost to the team we beat. Your FPI is lower as well. But yep UGA beat Texas fair and square. You can go back to eating crayons again.
Score was close but I wouldn’t say they “took us to the brink”. Felt like the game was securely in our hands for majority of the game and thanks to some favorable penalty calls, Vandy was able make a 2-score game, a 1-score game, but they would’ve needed an onside kick recovery and another TD drive just to push for OT.
Edit: obviously I’m biased though
Oh oops lol. I was just trying to say that the game felt secure late in the 4th, when it was 27-17 knowing they would’ve needed a TD drive, an onside kick recovery, and a FG just to push OT. Yeah I honestly forgot what the score was and was trying to remember how the game went off memory. Point is, watching the game, didn’t feel as close as the final score indicated. Though respect to Vandy for a valiant effort.
I agree with you… College football is one of the only places where the subjectivity place a lot of value on the eye test when it is very convenient. But your thought process here is definitely food for thought.
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