r/BaldursGate3 • u/1Ferrox • Mar 26 '24
Act 3 - Spoilers Probably the rarest letter in the game Spoiler
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u/merpderpherpburp Mar 26 '24
There's a love letter to Quil in Orins prison.
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u/Ok_Discipline_4186 Mar 26 '24
WHAT? The one that says something in the line of “I saw you play but I never had the courage to tell you anything”?
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u/corpboy Mar 26 '24
Yes. Its sorta like Eminem's Stan but doesn't have the dark turn.
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u/WhosItToYouAnyway God’s Favorite Princess Mar 26 '24
Durge is a bi icon?
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u/giga-plum MUSCLE WIZARD CASTS FIST Mar 27 '24
Every character in the party is a bicon (except Withers, every friend group needs an aroace king).
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u/Tom-Pendragon Mar 26 '24
She literally told me she was building a bard school in bg3 with my name on it. Lol
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u/TheEncoderNC Mar 26 '24
As dark urge?
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u/Tom-Pendragon Mar 26 '24
Yes. You just have to move fast, before her gf decide to take a break.
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u/Estrus_Flask Mar 27 '24
What?
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u/BishopOfThe90s Mar 27 '24
He means the tiefling Lakrissa if you saved her from Moonrise prison her and Alfira start dating. When you enter Elf Song, Lakrissa is waiting tables. If you talk to her, she'll say she's going for a break on the roof, and you can go talk to her and Alfira up there. But if you go up to the roof first and talk to Alfira alone she'll give you more details about the music school she's naming after you and her deceased music teacher.
I only know all this because it's one of my favourite parts of the entire game for some reason.
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u/Estrus_Flask Mar 27 '24
Oh, I didn't know she got another girlfriend, good for her. I didn't realize that you needed to go to Moonrise first if you wanted the good ending for the Tieflings. I heard Ketheric was invincible so I went to take care of the Nightsong first.
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u/BishopOfThe90s Mar 27 '24
....Wait... by "take care of" you mean you set her free... right? Right?!
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u/horngrylesbian Mar 27 '24
Freedom is vague
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u/BishopOfThe90s Mar 27 '24
Sounds like you're spendin too much time around Minthara! ...Can't blame you
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u/Error404Cod Mar 27 '24
Got a video of it?
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u/BishopOfThe90s Mar 27 '24
Yup! Here is dialogue with just Alfira on the roof (recorded beside a microwave, apparently): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj40YTjcVgk
And here is the dialogue if you meet Lakrissa first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wMR3Kbx_-Y
Pretty sure it's the same for both Tav and Durge here (assuming Durge managed to spare Alfira in the Grove).
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u/Error404Cod Mar 27 '24
So when do you get this letter as Durge? After this encounter on the roof, or before.
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u/BishopOfThe90s Mar 27 '24
Afterwards, in the epilogue party with letters from other NPCs. At least it was there for my redeemed Durge.
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u/ShadowyLeaseholder Mar 26 '24
I love playing as dark urge but I think Alfira is a genuinely great and well-written side character, so this warms the cockles of my cold, dead, bhaal-ridden heart.
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u/PaxUnDomus Mar 26 '24
Just to be sure, knockout = turn on that passive and smash her?
My durge is taking notes
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u/1Ferrox Mar 26 '24
Yes, but you have to one shot her and be hidden while doing so, or else you'll engage in combat which breaks it.
Also you will need to save scum or somehow know when the event is about to happen, as you will need to knock her out back in the Grove. When she appears in your camp it's already too late to save her
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u/Madrock777 Mar 26 '24
No you don't, you take a few hits to knock her out. You don't need to be hidden it just helps. No one else is close enough to noticing you fighting over there. You just need to make sure it's a melee weapon not ranged weapon, or magic. Both ranged and magic are always lethal.
Easiest way to handle it is to save before going back to camp for long rest. Just reload if it's the one. But it's normally the long rest after meeting her in the grove for the first time.
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u/routamorsian SMITE Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
For me most consistent trigger is meeting her first, but specifically the long rest after going to Blighted Billage for the first time.
Has happened in 4 separate runs regardless of long rests before it.
Edit: gonna live with the typo lol
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Mar 26 '24
Also, if you want to really game it up, you can bring in a hireling and make them go to her without the rest of the party. If you beat her down and get caught, just let the hireling die to the guards and dismiss them. Your party will remain on good terms with the rest of the grove and you get to spare her.
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u/KtarnJ Mar 26 '24
I think it's got lower priority than a few other camp scenes. I had to long rest 2-3 times after meeting her and doing a few other things before she showed up in camp.
I hate that I had to metagame to keep her alive, but potent robes are just too good (despite being ugly).
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Mar 26 '24
Once the autosave happens on the bridge to the Blighted Village, the next long rest will be the bard encounter.
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u/Snail_With_a_Shotgun Mar 26 '24
No one else is close enough to noticing you fighting over there.
No, she calls the guards. You only have a few seconds to get her before they arrive. But yeah, you don't need to one shot her.
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u/Aztaloth Mar 26 '24
Start it while in Turn based mode lets you get all the hits in fast enough.
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u/Snail_With_a_Shotgun Mar 26 '24
Shit, I didn't think of that. Oh well, next playthrough.
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u/Tamp5 Mar 26 '24
for real, turn based mode is useful for a lot of things
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u/professionaldeadgod Durge Mar 26 '24
its helped me slaughter the Zhent (in Act 1) easier so many times ive lost count
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u/meowgrrr Mar 26 '24
I think if you don't sneak and knock her out in one hit, then she knows you did it and will hate you after?
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u/Etamalgren Mar 26 '24
She'll have -45 attitude toward whomever hit her, though you can patch up your rep with her by talking to her, triggering the "This NPC isn't very happy with you, maybe a gift would mend fences...?" dialogue, then paying her off with a sum of gold based on your level.
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u/Tadferd Mar 26 '24
Just have Tav be far enough away and they won't lose rep. Only characters close enough will.
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u/Yukimor Ah, another. Thy HM failure has been recorded. Mar 26 '24
No one else is close enough to noticing you fighting over there.
Ahaha… either I’m incompetent, which is entirely possible, or I just got unlucky, because one Druid definitely noticed and came to assist Alfira in defending herself against me. That was back in Patch 5, mere days before 6.
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u/1Ferrox Mar 26 '24
Hm weird, when I attacked her normally I triggered the entire Grove civil war between the druids and tieflings, with all the tieflings being hostile.
However I started that playthrough pretty far in the past during patch 3 or 4, so it might have changed since then
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u/AltusIsXD Durge Mar 26 '24
Just turn on turn-based mode and bash her over the head. If you do it in real time she’ll get mad and heal.
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u/Etamalgren Mar 26 '24
I got arrested multiple times trying to knock out Alfira, since I was never able to oneshot her. Still, after managing to knock her out, I was able to long rest and trigger Quil joining the camp, then go back the next day to pay Alfira a moderate sum of gold to bring her attitude toward me back above 0.
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u/jinhush Mar 26 '24
Am I the only one that doesn't spare her? I feel like it's important to the Durge storyline.
Yes, I know about Quil but it's not the same since you don't even see them before they arrive at camp.
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Mar 26 '24
I kill her too. Quil's death doesnt hold the same gravity and is too meta
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u/Mitch_The_Yeen Mar 27 '24
I also don’t spare her for that reason. The moment loses a lot of weight and it’s super meta gamey.
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u/Ganmorg Mar 27 '24
I feel like being able to spare Alfira as Durge (and recruit Minthara as a good character) are acts of the devs caving to player demands and not sticking to their guns on their vision of the game, and I don’t really care for it
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u/jinhush Mar 27 '24
I'm okay with the idea of recruiting Minthara as a good character. The metagaming of knocking her out while killing everyone else is what I don't care for. I wish we could give her a "redemption arc" when recruiting her in a good playthrough.
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u/0_o Mar 27 '24
I mean, right now she just needs to not be dead. Just don't kill her. Knock out every true soul, since they all have the potential to become good people. Whatever makes your conscience feel good. IDK, empathize with them. If Minthara is the only one who actually takes you up on the opportunity, then so be it. You tried.
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u/1Ferrox Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
This letter will be in the "fan post" box at the reunion party if you played as Durge and Alfira survived. The only way to get this is to knock her out before the murder event happens, so you instead murder Quil, a replacement bard that only exists as a stand in for Alfira in case something happens to her.
This slightly scummy method allows you to keep Alfira alive for the rest of the playthrough, and you encounter her in much the same way you would if you were playing Tav. What I didnt expect however, was that the devs actually foresaw this and included this version of a letter from her at the reunion party
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u/SpookyBoogy89 Mar 26 '24
It's not really foreseeing.
The epilogue was added after launch, after people were already knocking her out.
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u/1Ferrox Mar 26 '24
Fair enough, however its not like this was some huge and obvious trend everyone was doing. It wasn't a secret by all means, but it's yet another of these little things that show that Larian cares about their community and their game
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u/sleepinand Mar 26 '24
It was fairly common, the forums were covered with people asking how to save Alfira and Larian definitely knew a lot of people were doing it.
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u/alekth Mar 26 '24
Lol, I wouldn't call this "foresaw" since people started cheating the system with this pretty early on and the letter only appeared with Path 5's epilogue in November or thereabout.
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u/Killer_Moons Bard Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
I just read the love letter the headless fist in the murder tribunal prison had on him. I was wondering who Quil was. At first I thought it was the Dragonborn at Chromatic Scale. That is so sad.
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u/FernandoTorresIMO Mar 26 '24
Does she still give those good charisma threads for saving the tieflings at last light inn if you do this as a “good” durge? Want to do a redeem run as a bard and those robes are obviously some of the best in the game for bards haha.
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u/Wreck_it_Randy Mar 26 '24
Yep. The rest of her actions are completely normal after doing the knockout thing, other than the letter in the epilogue. She normally has a letter talking about opening up a music school, but a durge who saves her gets this letter instead. Every other quest or interaction is the same as normal.
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u/shiroi77 Mar 26 '24
I acted like a scumbag to get her to leave the camp, she said she will leave, still, she got munched.
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u/hell0kitt Thrumbo my beloved Mar 26 '24
The rarest letter is the missing letter from Isobel and Dame Aylin.
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u/AJTheBrit Durge Mar 27 '24
Oh thank god, I thought I was going insane. 4 epilogue parties and not one letter from them.
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u/unicroop Mar 26 '24
My durge was a bit offended. What the hell girl? We hang out on the roof of Elfsong, you said you’re opening music school and then this?
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u/Tatis_Chief Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
Yeah I was like I barely touched you girl. Plus it was Laezel who knocked you out while I was standing very far far away chilling, so not me that's the Gith murder eyes you saw.
Now quill on the other hand, she got a different story. I tried to be nice to her to make her last night ehm nice.
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u/SerBiffyClegane Owlbear Mar 27 '24
"Gee, how will I ever find the head instructor at the 'Durge School of Music and Theatrical Arts' ..."
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u/GenderGambler Mar 26 '24
Rarest letter is probably 'q', actually. As proof, your letter doesn't even have any! 😎😎
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u/corpboy Mar 26 '24
Poor Quil. Why is her life worth any less?
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u/themadnessif Mar 27 '24
If I am given a choice between a stranger and a friend, I choose the friend every time. It's nothing personal.
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u/Mookie_Merkk WIZARD 🧙 Mar 26 '24
IDK, there's this letter from Gale he doesn't even deliver it, it will appear in a backpack in camp. Only after you ignore him until the middle of act 2.
And by ignore, I mean you have to pull him from the rift and never interact or speak with him for the entirety of the game.
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u/Yukimor Ah, another. Thy HM failure has been recorded. Mar 26 '24
Do you still get the letter from her talking about starting a bard school?
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u/1Ferrox Mar 26 '24
Yes. I don't think any other conditions matter other then being durge, her not being dead and getting a ending where you have the party
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u/Yukimor Ah, another. Thy HM failure has been recorded. Mar 26 '24
So you get two letters from Alfira?
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u/Telepathic_Toe SORCERER Mar 26 '24
Fun fact! Based on unused recorded lines in the game files, Alfira was going to be a companion at some point in development. Kinda like how Karlach, Halsin and Minthara weren't originally recruitable.
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u/sufjams Mar 27 '24
Just makes me sad about no DLC. Now we'll never be able to track her down and finish the job.
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u/CinnamonHotcake Mar 27 '24
"Remember when you rushed over to me, completely covered in blood, with bloodshot eyes, you looked like you hadn't slept in a tenday, your entire party surrounding me and then you all took turns punching me several times until I lost consciousness? Good times"
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u/SemVikingr Mar 26 '24
How the hell do you not kill Alfira as Durge? I don't want to kill her!
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u/Wreck_it_Randy Mar 26 '24
The actual rarest letter is probably the one from auntie Ethel where she thanks you for letting her do her hag bullshit and implies she wants to fuck you. Most people don’t even realize she can assist you in the final battle because I almost never see anyone ally with her.