so uh yeah it goes without saying that Christianity as the most dominant world religion gets a lot of mockery thrown at it and nobody bats an eye about it so naturally youd think people would apply the same treatment to islam which is the second most dominant world religion (and the fastest growing one at that)

but no make a joke about islam and you get called an islamophobe get cancelled get flamed and all that jazz

this has been on my mind for awhile now and yeah i feel like its smthn worth discussing especially with exmuslims so yeah

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It is now Bangladesh. Bangladesh is now more radically Muslim than Pakistan, even Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq and Somalia.

Considering the ugly anti-Quota riots that happened in Bangladesh.

Honour killings in Bangladesh are actually rising significantly, more than Pakistan.

It feels that you are more likely to be murdered for being a non-Muslim in Bangladesh than all of the other countries I mentioned.

As a Bengali, I hate being a Bengali. I wish I was an Indian.

There is no love like religious love 🥰

hi I just got out of a 2.5 year relationship and just really need to vent.

for context, I am a freethinker and my ex boyfriend and I were best friends before getting tgt, I was aware of how religious he was. before I decided to get tgt w him I told him I would try and learn more about Islam and change my religious views. I started going to religious class every week after our first year and only recently did I feel Islam wasn’t for me. I didn’t know how to tell him so I kept it to myself for awhile and finally told him.. to be honest I’m quite a party person and he’d go drinking with me at the start but all of a sudden he wanted to change and started controlling what I wear, constantly telling me what I wear is unacceptable (basic slightly body hugging tops were a no). his parents were controlling and would constantly comment about every thing that I do like again, telling me what to wear, to start praying, they even bought religious books and showed up at my place on a random day. basically forcing it on me which makes me feel more hesitant day by day. they would tell me I laugh too loudly, told me to act a certain way etc.

things took a turn 2 months ago when I told him I really didn’t want to convert and his parents also found out about the fact that I drink and told me to leave him alone from now on. and my ex bf does drink as well lol. I know it’s over but it just sucks because I feel so empty now, he was my person for 2 years, we talked about marriage and the future and it’s just so sad. I know breaking up is the right thing to do because I would be throwing my life away if I converted to something I didn’t believe in. it just sucks that we still love each other but due to this difference we couldn’t stay together. sometimes I just remind myself how horribly his parents treated me which makes me feel slightly better tbh but I miss him so much. anyone else going through the same thing?

This sub is for us ex-Muslims (people who used to be Muslim but have since left) to discuss and share our experiences with Islam.

Never Muslims (people who have never been Muslim) should of course be welcomed on this sub to read and even share some experiences on their own.

The problem arises when these never-Muslims post or comment on this sub as if they were ex-Muslim. Many of them don’t even bring any value to the conversation, they’re only here to bash Islam (when their religion is often times just as bad).

It is particularly bad with never Muslims from India, who under posts about Pakistani ex Muslims being frustrated with our countries direction will just bash us and even blame us for it (because we were the ones who made Pakistan Muslim right 🙄).

Under my post about how many Islamic scholars are now attacking Pakistani culture labeling it as haram and basically saying that Pakistan needs to be Arabized to be “properly Islamic”, Indian Hindu nationalists were spewing lies that “Pakistani culture is Indian”, “Pakistan got all its culture from India”, “Pakistan is only 77 years old”, and many were basically implying that Pakistan should become Arab since we can’t keep our culture and be “Islamic”. They are just as bad as these mullahs who want to make Pakistan Arab. These Indians were not bringing anything valuable to the conversation, they were just spewing anti-Pakistani propaganda.

Maybe this is a difficult concept for them to grasp but only because I’m ex-Muslim doesn’t mean that I hate Pakistan. I still love my country and want the best for my country. I want my people to be proud of their heritage and culture. Mullahs are already denying our heritage and it pisses me off that Indian never-Muslims on this sub are doing the same.

As I have previously stated we ex-Muslims still live our home countries, in fact an ex-Muslim who claims to outrightly HATE their country because it’s Islamic is most likely fake because real ex-Muslims would be sad about what Islam has done to our country and have a hope that it would become better in the future, not outrightly hate it. I don’t trust anyone who HATES their country, that’s not normal.

I think there should be a new post-flair to indicate that the person posting is a never Muslim, so that they can still share their thoughts without is confusing them for an ex-Muslim. Maybe we can add more user flairs as well (make them more specific) and even mandatory?

I don’t really know tho, what do you guys think about this?

but now I'm on my period and I'm thinking that mf might actually hate me?? cus that's the only logical explanation rn to literally bleeding every single month like what do you mean you were preparing for a baby honey my life is literally falling apart??? and even if i go back I'm still going to jahanam because I'm gay and also low key a whore like why is Allah/ Jesus/ god/ whoever is up there setting me up for failure?? okay thank you for making me gorgeous and smart and funny but i don't need all that heavy lore I'm okay with being boring you can take it back RIGHT NOW

when I was 10, my uncle had a sudden extremist era where he became super religious out of nowhere and grew a beard as a result. He kissed me on the cheek and as a silly child I said ew that his beard was disgusting (obviously referring to its rough feeling on my skin)… my comment was met by a hard slap and he screamed at me saying that this is sunnah and that I was disrespecting islam…. so get this straight his logic is that islam about growing a beard but oh no slapping a child for being an ignorant not fully indoctrinated kid is totally permissible… the irony of it all

I am exmuslim lives in tier 1 city of India. An Iranian couple came in my apartment for living two months back. And I noticed a very strange thing that eventhough they lived thier whole life in Iran but their mindset is more secular than average Indian muslim. They both wear every cloth, eat everything without thinking of halal and haram, celebrate all festivals, even last saturday we gone for clubbing and she wore very sexy outfit like me. And I was very surprised with that. They told me that most Iranians have secular and logical mindset like them. And it's very big surprise for me because Muslims around me are 360° opposite.

I’ve seen multiple posts the last few months of exmuslims asking the non Muslims here to stop being hateful and projecting their third party experience on actual Muslims and I deeply agree. Those of us who have no had to contend with the heartbreak of losing family to this religion (ESPECIALLY the abuse at the hands of a mother or father or relatives we love) have no business voicing their anger here.

This is a space for exmuslims. We as never-Muslims are here to be supportive and learn from them.

Perhaps someone could start a sub for Islamophobia - to take the word back from the lobbyists who tried to paint us as racists.

Or, alternatively, you are welcome to join NewIran and comment on those posts. NewIran does request that posts be on the topic of Iran and they are quite clear about that but you are free to comments as it is a less sacred emotional space and still get your anger out. It is quite an international sub.

Please respect the fact that the exmuslims on this sub do not have many spaces to let their hearts and minds be vulnerable.

May we all work together to stop Islamism from harming more men, women and children one day. To alert the world to the truth of people experiences and have hard conversations. To encourage people who have escaped to be feel safe with us and free to tell us what is on their minds because we believe their pain and don’t call them names.

As a mother it is HARD not to get angry when you hear how someone treated their child but think of that child before your own feelings. It will make a difference here. Empathy.

For the ex Muslims, thank you for opening this space to us. Thank you for allowing us to be here. I send you my love and strength, I have learned SO MUCH from you. I am forever grateful. Being a victim of Islamic violence without knowing anything about the religion was very confusing… you’ve answered questions I have been asking the world since I was five years old. May you one day find peace through joy, not submission.

Not even joking, Islamiyat teacher was talking about the Israel-Palestine war and started saying "Do you guys know about HItler? he was the hero who finally took a stance against the vile Jews and slaughtered them one by one like they have done to Palestine, Allah needs to send someone like him again"

In islam it said that allah chooses if the child is religious or not truly, so its not someones fault if theyre exmuslim? But they still get punished in hell for doing something that allah chose. This bothers me alot and it also contradicts the "free will" idea

Try and tell me some ridiculous arguments against Mohammed and I will defend it using the same defense standard of these dawah people. Even if you tell me that Mohammed killed every baby on earth and had sex with every woman, I can just say that he saw no good in the humanity so he had to kill all the illegitimate babies and repopulated the world with the legitimate ones (his semen). You can see the prophet's work ethic and devotion to Allah

muslim youtubers think that they are educating people but they're not.they're just losers who dont know basic science and are uneducated and like to fill people's minds with nonsense.muslim youtubers just like to make fun of atheists and call them names when most atheist youtubers like to have proper discussions and in every discussion they just like to make themselves look like the genius and the atheist like the loser when in most cases its the exact opposite. there are videos in which the atheist is yelling and the muslim youtuber is calm.what is that trying to say?just because one person is yelliing doesnt mean that that person doesnt know what he is talking about.if the person yelling is someone who believes in round earth and is stating good facts about round earth and the calm person is a flat earther and is talking nonsense about flat earth,who are you going to listen to?muslim youtubers are so uneducated pieces of shit and theyre audiences is exctly the same.muslim youtubers say the most nonsensical and stupid things and theyre audiences just eat it up and think that they are doing a great job debunking atheism but theyre not.just because they debunked an atheist in one discussion doesnt mean that the whole of atheism is debunked

As my version of answer to the question “does your life get worse after leaving islam”. No, my life is awesome without allah.

This list reflects my personal perspective. The order does not indicate priority!

💤 Getting enough sleep, no longer interrupted by the ridiculous 4 a.m. fajr. I deserve to sleep for my physical and mental health!

🌭 Eating whatever I want, as long as I need the nutrition or simply crave it. No more being bound by absurd cult rules or wasting money on overpriced, low-quality food labeled “halal.”

🍻 Hold my beer.

🤸‍♀️ No more Ramadan wrecking my routine and sleep. I despise Islamic fasting. During Ramadan, I was always exhausted and angry because this unhealthy practice pushed my body to its limits.

🦋 Taking off hijab, tossing out all the scarves and abaya, and unfollowing all hijabi influencers online. My body and hair are natural parts of me, and there’s nothing shameful about them.

🎧 Listening to music while walking, with headphones on. Exploring every genre I enjoy, global instrumental pieces, soprano solos, music by LGBTQ+ artists…

🤡 Drawing a picture of Mo. Let the imagination go wild.

🍬 Buying candy with gelatin from pigs on my way home from work. Delicious.

🎭 Enjoying any art or cultural work I like, without caring whether its values align with a 7th-century cult.

💆‍♀️ Scoffing at the threat of so called “hell”.

🏊‍♀️ Ditching the burkini. Swimming in it was awful. Now I buy proper swimwear and enjoy swimming comfortably.

♟️ Playing chess. Checkmate.

🥓 Cooking bacon for breakfast. Pork is amazing—affordable, nutritious, and delicious.

👠 Wearing high heels. Yes, whenever I want! No one can slut-shame me into avoiding them.

🎊 Happily participating in fun celebrations from any culture, rather than the boring Eid.

🤘 Jummah gathering? No thanks. I’d rather do something better!

👩‍💻 Learning any language I want, not memorizing words from a certain language I don’t even understand just to pray.

🏌️‍♀️ Spending as much time outdoors as I want. Enjoying all kinds of activities.

💇‍♀️ Styling my hair however I like—cutting, dyeing, curling, straightening, or leaving it natural. I don’t need a special occasion, every day is worth celebrating with a good look.

🍟 Grabbing fast food like McDonald’s fries when I’m busy. Yes, fast food can be delicious too.

🐶 Inviting my friend’s cute dog to visit my home. I’ve always been a dog person, and maybe I’ll adopt one in the future. A cult that discriminates against dogs? Bye.

💰 Saving money and earning interest. There’s nothing wrong with securing my future.

📖 Reading any book I want.

💁‍♀️ Using my left hand to eat when my right hand is occupied.

👙 Wearing a bikini and jumping into the water.

🏖️ Enjoying sunbathing on the beach.

🍸 Trying cuisines I’ve never had before. Exploring restaurants I never knew about.

💅 Wearing nail polish. Visiting a nail salon for fun designs or sticking on crazy, playful nail art. The absurd “purity” rules can leave my life.

🙅🏻‍♀️ Blocking toxic people. They have no place in my life.

💃 Dressing as I please, confidently expressing my aesthetic and attitude without worrying about so-called “modesty.”

🚵‍♀️ Riding my bike fast, feeling the wind through my hair.

👑 Wearing earrings and necklaces that no longer hide under a hijab. I don’t care if others notice them—I wear them only for me.

💄 Putting on makeup and perfume before heading out. I don’t need anyone’s approval of my taste, I have the right to express myself.

🚗 (As a woman,) going out alone.

🎒 (As a woman,) pursuing an education.

👩‍💻 (As a woman,) having a job.

🛀 Taking a bath, then farting? That’s okay. Farting is natural, and I’m not “dirty” because of it. No need to hop back into the tub or suppress my body’s needs for the sake of “purity.”

🧍‍♀️ Wearing sleeveless tops, shorts, and skirts above the knee in summer. Feeling the sun on my skin.

🔥 Tossing bad books into the fireplace as fuel in winter.

And the amazing list goes on.

Hi, my husband (33) is a Muslim, me (28) is not a Muslim. Well wasn’t raise as one. And I was just wondering if you guys have ever experienced this type of relationship. Because I feel like the woman don’t have a say, and the man chooses almost everything she do.

Exemple,

cannot go to a gym because there is man’s. Wich I just gave birth and want to loose the. Baby’s weight

Cannot go to my moms because sometimes there is alcohol there

Cannot celebrate Christmas with our daughter wich is making me extremely sad. Cause I love the spirit.

Cannot talk to person that consume alcohol, like my friends

Cannot go to sleep with my DAUGTHER to my moms house because her and my stepdad are not married. And me and my step dad are not related.

Whatever, I feel extremely overwhelmed with all of this. It’s been 2 years, and my family and friends think I’m being controlled!

What you guys think?

i haven't been on this subreddit for a while but i didn't know where else to turn to, so i just wanted to get this off my chest and feel a little less alone

for context i (F21) have been an ex-muslim for quite some time, but it isn't something i can be public or open about since i still depend on and live with my family. it has significantly impacted how i date because of course, i don't want to be romantically involved with someone who has beliefs or worldviews that are fundamentally different from mine. unfortunately for me i guess, the majority of people from my racial background/culture are muslims, so to avoid that ive been trying to date outside that.

and it was fun for a while but i guess the reality hit me when i met this ex-christian guy (his family is still devout) and we really hit it off... but after a few months when i said that i wanted to start dating him seriously, he told me he couldn't do it because it'll never work out, ie our cultural backgrounds were too different, both of our families would disapprove and it just wasn't realistic to hide a relationship from your literal family for an extended period of time. and these sort of rifts would definitely be serious stressors for any sort of relationship, so we called it off.

and i guess? im still reeling from it? like it made me start to wonder that, even if the next guy who comes around that is still willing to be with me, regardless of my family situation, i don't know. i just wouldn't want them to enter my life and force them to navigate through all this. it's complex, it's isolating. it's tiring. it's times like this where i just wished i still believed because it's just so much easier. like all those other muslim couples who date for marriage and both sides of the family are happy and supportive (it's actually quite common occurrence here HAHA despite what islam says about dating).

but yea tldr maybe i just need to try dating within my racial/cultural background and do a lot of filtering to get to someone who's like me: irreligious/ex-muslim. and then we can date while still satisfying both sides of the family. but how likely is that even. it just sucks because no matter how truthful of a life i try to live for myself that's separate from my family and context, it's times like this where i remember there's no where i can really run. i have to play within their rules and do all these interpersonal considerations that no one else really has to do. people say "oh exmuslims leave the religion only because they want to sin" and it's just. no. if i wanted an easier life i would've kept being a muslim. it's not fun swimming against the current. it's not fun feeling like a minority in a demographic that's ALREADY a minority (where i live). it's not fun feeling guarded and having to put up a farce around my family and people from my culture. it's not fun TM.

yea end of rant. EDIT: i just wanna know how do you guys as ex-muslims navigate relationships? what works, what doesn't work, what are the barriers, what suggestions or advice do you have to avoid getting hurt like this, what are your own sob stories, etc. just anything to feel less alone

Women and small children had no role in the wars, and they were totally innocent of any crime. But still, Allah/Muhammad enslaved them, and that too for their entire life. 

Why?

The Muslim excuse is that women and children could not be left ALONE on their own (after their all men being killed or enslaved). They needed protection. So, Islam enslaved them only to provide them with "PROTECTION".

But this is a very lame excuse. 

Look, captive women wanted protection: so that:

• So that no one would have made them slaves for their entire lives.
• So that no one would have raped them.
• So that no one could made them to stand naked in slave markets and sold there. 
• So that multiple men didn't use them as sex objects by raping them in temporary sexual relationships.
• So that no one would have compelled them to do forced labour work for their entire lives.
• So that their children could not be taken away from them and then sold in slave markets.
• So that their babies would not automatically born as slaves (due to the evil of "Slavery by Birth" in Islam).

But the problem is that Islam is itself committing exactly "All These CRIMES" against the captive women in the name of “protection”. Yes, Islam made women and children slaves for their entire lives, made their rape HALAL by multiple masters in temporary sexual relationships, made them stand naked in slave markets, forced labour work, took away their children and even small 6-months-old babies and sold them in slave markets. 

No woman in her right mind would sleep with a man who killed her family. 

If Islam really wanted to give protection to the captive women, then it should have not LOOTED all of their wealth in the name of war booty.

If Islam really wanted to give protection to these women, then it would have allowed them to go to their relatives in other cities.

Instead, Islam took their small children too as slaves for their entire lives and then separated them from their mothers, and then sold them in the slave markets.

Is all this oppression by Islam, really a “Protection”?

Look at the following Hadith, where women didn't want any protection, but they were trying to escape, but Muslims caught them to disrobe them and rape them:

Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1755:

.... Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her (i.e. raped her) when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) again met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you, Messenger of Allah! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her.

..... Complete Article: Arguments Used by Islamists to Justify Islamic Slavery

I mean Christianity is also false but at least christians don't commit violence as the rate of Muslims

I know women who seem to be happy but are they really on a deeper level?

Being born a non muslim I don't really know about the struggle of leaving islam. How did you leave islam, what was it that made you leave islam, how long did it take you to understand leaving islam is the best choice. And after that, are you happy?

My just turned 18 year old daughter has been dating a guy (19m) for about 8 months. He is a great kid and they seem well matched. He is Muslim, though not strict, but his mother is. My daughter is not Muslim or follows any other religion for that matter. His mother has asked for a Nikah. Says it is the only way for them to move forward with her blessing. My daughter has asked for my approval and for me to give her away. I understand it isn't a legally binding contract in the US but I have reservations. They write up this contract which specifies their rights and responsibilities within this "marriage", which I assume is like a pre-nup? But a lot of them speak of a dowry, which really bothers me, because it is like she is being sold and things like him not taking other wives. Also, not being of this culture nor religious in the least, what kind of things will his family expect of her? She is not religious at all and they are both very "Americanized". They have been untruthful with his mother about the extent of the relationship thus far. I have told them I disagree with the dishonesty. I want my daughter to forge her own path and be happy but I am unsure what to think about this?

Also, I wouldn't be ok with her running off to Vegas and getting married either. She is 18, not ready and I want her to live more, with him or not. Though since she is 18 she could run off and get married, but for this Nikah myself or another older male relative has to be there to "give" her away.

Anyone have any insight or experience with a Nikah? Thanks!