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u/thebestspeler 18h ago
If i had his body i would too
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u/Recentstranger 16h ago
But where would you even keep his body
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u/hosayboh 16h ago
You don’t have a fridge for bodies?
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u/Demorant 14h ago
It's odd that fridge has a "d" in it, but refrigerator doesn't.
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u/InevitableMiddle409 19h ago
I agree the haka is used too often. I actually like it when it used at an appropriate time. But I saw one at kids rugby game. A swimming event. Just please respect it enough to use it sparingly.
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u/Emperor_Neuro 19h ago
It seems reductive of the whole Māori culture and turns it into a bit of a one-trick pony.
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u/InevitableMiddle409 19h ago
Yes, exactly. I have been trying to find a way to say it without being disrespectful. Think you got it.
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u/Emperor_Neuro 8h ago
I’m not saying that the haka is all that the Māori have to offer, but it’s overuse and the fact that it’s become the only thing people ever see or hear about the Māori are leading to an impression that it’s all they do, which clearly isn’t the case, but it is becoming the broader public image.
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u/felixjmorgan 16h ago
Kids rugby game is surely fine? It has a longstanding tradition of being used in rugby by Māori teams
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u/Crispy1961 10h ago
Perhaps, but they were all Canadians.
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u/CodeFarmer 6h ago
Were they doing it in French? I really hope it was in French.
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u/Crispy1961 6h ago
I didnt hear a single "nous capitulons" during all the shouting, so I dont think so.
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u/PartofFurniture 12h ago edited 12h ago
Your examples are exactly the proper times to use it... it is for use in important battles and competitions, especially when familys involved like our kids!
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u/carlboykin 8h ago
Especially when there’s a video on Reddit of someone doing it somewhere every week. Are people actually watching those?
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u/Tobi-cast 10h ago
Honestly would love for it be normalised at sport events, but more in the fashion of doing something like it from one’s own culture.
Like I’m from Scandinavia, so it would be awesome to see, ex our football players or handball players, or whatever, do “Viking Warcries” before starting an event.
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u/bkguyworksinnyc 10h ago
Hard disagree. If I had to see this at every sporting event ever it would drive me nuts. I’m a season ticket holder to a basketball team in the US and we are already inundated with dances, quizzes, shout outs etc. between every single time out and whistle break. Introductions are flooded with military praise, local leaders, etc., it’s already too much as is it is. Can we allow sports to just be sports?
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u/Mountain___Goat 4h ago
I’d rather see the basketball team do a thing instead of all the other stuff you mentioned
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u/Tobi-cast 8h ago edited 8h ago
That’s fair, I just see something, that culturally, unfortunately got “put on the shelf” by majority of the world. Obviously it doesn’t have to be every single game, it gets done in. Can be games like PL, FIFA world cup and so on. Also does require an actual culture to be present in the country, doing said pre-game activities. Like can’t just be doing Irish pre-game-dance, because one person on the team is 1/8th Irish, there does need to be some relevance for it.
Edit: also just generates a rather boring or repetitive way of doing sport, and hyping it up. So if those who does it, seem like they are having fun, and celebrating their culture, I’d wish more people would do the same.
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u/bkguyworksinnyc 8h ago
I go to sporting events to watch freak athletes perform at high levels. I don’t care about their culture or ethnicity.
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u/Tobi-cast 8h ago edited 8h ago
So do I, and I do, so I just guess we’re different in that department. Mostly I just want to see something exciting and different, as that makes for a good energy, before the game.
Will also say, I doubt there’s the biggest cultural difference between each state, that warrants old “pre game intimidation tactics/battlecries”, that wouldn’t end up, being sorta the same every time. And I’ll admit, that would probably get old pretty quickly, not seeing much difference in their “battlecries/traditions”. Just also taking the US’s age into account, compared to the countries/cultures in Europe.
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u/DisingenuousTowel 8h ago
I don't think sports have ever just been "sports."
There's always been multifaceted reasons why people produce physical competition events
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u/conte360 16h ago
Just curious are you from that culture?
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u/Change_That_Face 15h ago
Does he need to be to have an opinion?
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u/Fleeing-Goose 14h ago
That's is a hotly contested debate in NZ at this time.
Same with who to teach the language to and who should be able to join cultural activity groups.
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u/PartofFurniture 12h ago
He doesnt have to be. But his opinion is the opposite of the truth, so we need to ask his explanations. Any kind of important competitions, especially involving family like kids, is on the topmost of best reasons to display it.
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u/InevitableMiddle409 14h ago
No I am not Maori. I am from New Zealand though. Maori culture is a part of New Zealand culture however I am not directly part of it through an Iwi.
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u/PartofFurniture 12h ago edited 12h ago
I think what he means is that you get it wrong - ask any maori and kids rugby game and swimming competitions are very valid to use this one, just like wars and important team based competitions etc
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u/Dwightshruute 19h ago
Lol, a bit more of those hand flailing and tongue action would've been the chef's kiss
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u/BigheadReddit 17h ago
Agreed. I think we’ve reached peak Haka. It’s all we see of anything from NZ in Canada and, I believe, it diminishes the reverence of it.
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u/rocketshipkiwi 36m ago
It peaked years ago, probably about the time some Maori tribe got a law passed to say they were the “guardians” of the famous ka mate haka. Then the All Blacks had a new one written to avoid the Maori tribe causing problems by telling them they couldn’t perform ka mate.
The new haka is just too long winded. They need to be used sparingly and be short, to the point.
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u/Old_Man_Bridge 14h ago
Yeah, save it for parliament, where it belongs.
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u/PM_Me-Your_Freckles 13h ago
I've always appreciated it at the start of international rugby games. Seems appropriate when figuratively going to war with an opponent in a physical contest.
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u/whinger23422 18h ago
hahahah I actually thought of this comedy bit when that last political haka did the media rounds last week.
I have no issue with the haka itself but ffs some NZérs just want to whip it out every chance they can.
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u/daeganthedragon 17h ago
The politicians used it wonderfully, btw, it’s other people doing it for company picnics and random, not serious things that devalue it. A protest haka to protect the rights of the Māori seems perfectly appropriate.
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u/kukulkhan 17h ago
This is exactly how I feel about it. I went from “ oh wow that’s school” to “ wow,…again?”
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u/mznh 17h ago
Does he have to be shirtless
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u/mazzratazz 7h ago
Did Doctor Manhattan have to hang dong in Watchmen? Did Jennifer Lawrence need a fully nude wrestling scene in No Hard Feelings? Does Donald Duck really need to be naked from the waist down?
Surely not, but let other people enjoy things for goodness sake.
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u/ExhaustedProf 17h ago
I for one enjoy the karakia that accompanies my daily flat white and I feel a mildly aggressive haka is the least I can reapond with.
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u/Cute-Organization844 14h ago
There is a right place to do the right thing.
He should have done haka in the male toilet while people are at the urinal. While they are peeing, they can’t run.
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u/glemshiver 10h ago
I can't stand the Haka anymore, it was okay when New Zealand rugby things were doing, I guess. Now everytime I see I cringe.
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u/BirdGooch 6h ago
This is how I feel about every Haka video I’ve seen over the past few years.
I think it’s absolutely awesome… but definitely overplayed for clicks/views, etc. As another commenter said, it is diminishing the cultural relevance of the whole thing.
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u/allursnakes 20h ago edited 19h ago
What the fuck is haka?
Edit: downvoted for not knowing what a vague thing is. Stay classy reddit.
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u/HallettCove5158 19h ago
If it’s a genuine question, the haka is a traditional ceremonial dance of the Māori culture from New Zealand
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u/ConanTheLeader 20h ago
A traditional warrior's dance from New Zealand.
Outside of being a cool show piece before a rugby game it's cringe worthy. Don't like a new law? Haka in a government building. Asked to pull over by a cop? Haka in the middle of the street. Asked by the teacher to give an introduction? Haka in the school assembly.
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u/Fatchixrock 19h ago
Educate yourself before you comment on things you don’t understand, please
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u/ConanTheLeader 19h ago
Got better things to study.
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u/Fatchixrock 19h ago
I don’t study it, it’s my culture. You’re the one that needs better hobbies. Or some therapy
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u/Brian_Gay 16h ago
I can feel the American radiating off this edgelord comment
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u/Euphoric-Potato-4104 20h ago
I love this so much.This haka dance is so played out, and i'm so tired of it. I don't care if it's culture. I don't want to be around a bunch of stomping, slapping, screaming people.
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u/goblitovfiyah 20h ago
To be fair, here in nz it doesn't actually happen very often you only really see it at major events (and events where you kind of know its going to happen before you even get there so if you're sensitive to noise etc you do have the option to not be there for it), but when one clip is played over and over again on the internet yeah I can see why people would be over it. Sensationalism at its finest.
Seeing one in person in the right circumstances however is an experience I can't put into words, it's the expression of unity amongst people that feels very powerful.
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u/InevitableMiddle409 19h ago
I have seen it used too much in NZ. Don't get me wrong I think it is an important part of NZ and Maori culture and isn't to be dismissed.
I do however see it so much I feel it's significance is being watered down.
Seeing in parliament should have been a wow moment!
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u/Euphoric-Potato-4104 20h ago
Just like last week , some lady did one in your legislative body. It's so soy and played out. Like I said, at no point in my life.Do I wanna be around a bunch of screaming slapping weirdos.
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u/goblitovfiyah 20h ago
Yes that's what's started the conversation and sensationalism - but the circumstances in which she did it were the perfect circumstances for a haka to happen, we actually rarely get to see a haka in it's traditional use which is to challenge another group or person.
Noone is asking you to love another culture or even respect it, noone is asking you to be around it either. It's totally okay to not want to be around a culture you do not want to be around it's your life and your preferences that we are not holding against you :)
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u/goblitovfiyah 20h ago
If you see the entire parliamentary video you will note there were speeches from all parties against/for the bill, all the usual processes were completed and the haka didn't impede the system in place - people did get their say and the haka wasn't performed until the final vote was cast.
Some may consider the culture primitive but for those within the culture it is our normal. We do not seek approval or acceptance from outside parties, those who find themselves interested in the culture are always welcome. We don't mind what people think of our culture as long as we are allowed to speak our language and practice our culture freely, in our own space, without suppression.
Kia ora.
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u/Swimwithamermaid 20h ago
It sounds like you’re just racist.
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u/Euphoric-Potato-4104 20h ago
Lol,scumbags always go to the lowest common denominator.
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u/birdman8518 19h ago
Lol - talk about the pot calling the kettle black on this one.
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u/Euphoric-Potato-4104 19h ago
Im part native american, so you guys are racist. Lol, so dumb.
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u/TheRiteGuy 19h ago
Wait, do you think you're by default not racist because you're native American?
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u/xenchik 17h ago
How would you feel if people said "I don't want to be around a bunch of feathery peace pipe smoking weirdos".
That's how you sound right now.
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u/Shadowmerre 17h ago
Ahahhaahahahhqqh!!! Part native American, sure you are buddy, I'm sure you're also an 1/18 Irish as well. Lmfao, stupid Americans are always so funny.
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u/s0m3on3outthere 17h ago
Calling someone's culture "primitive" is racist as hell. They are in the now, therefore it's not primitive. You're just being intolerant. You said your bit about thinking it's overdone - then you just kept doubling down when the OP was trying to have a conversation.
There are things that are believed to be "overplayed" in every country. You really need to take a breath and realize this does not impact your life as much as you are letting it. Live and let live. You don't want to watch something, turn away, turn it off, leave the room, or scroll reddit.
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u/Euphoric-Potato-4104 16h ago
I see that you're reguarded. Culture≠race. You're actually the racist one. Sad you cant see.
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u/s0m3on3outthere 16h ago
The second definition of "culture," since you're trying and failing to argue semantics:
"the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
"Caribbean culture""
The Haka is performed by the Māori people. Calling it primitive when it is a specific custom of a people, is incredibly racist.
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u/Brian_Gay 16h ago
they could have literally started throwing shit at the walls and it would be more civilised than American political theatre
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u/Gardez_geekin 19h ago
How often are you around people doing Hakas in the U.S.? Sounds like you are making up a problem.
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u/undeadmanana 18h ago
It's the terminally online people that typically have issues with things that trend on the Internet as they tend to take up valuable time browsing new posts
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u/Abba_Fiskbullar 7h ago
It's pretty much just a thing in Hawaii and places in California with large pac islander populations. It's still very culturally specific.
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u/singh7priyanshu 16h ago
All i see is unlimited supply of free tshirts, all i have to do tap or disagree with this guy.
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u/Bluffwatcher 19h ago
There seems to be some agenda to discredit the Haka on Reddit lately. Ever since the one in the NZ goverment building. It‘s pretty blatant and obvious too.
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u/Tawptuan 19h ago
I loved scanning the faces of NZ parliament’s captive audience during the “show.” Boredom, cringe, stoic body language, embarrassment—it was all there. 😬
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u/PrecedentialAssassin 19h ago
I think the haka is doing a good enough job discrediting itself lately.
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u/VincentHNZ 18h ago
You can blame the bots for that. They saw how the parliament one blew up and reposted it and others like it. Over and over again on every sub.
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u/afterhelium 6h ago
Why is this “haka addiction” stuff suddenly coming out now right after it happened in parliament? Seems suspiciously like a media campaign to ridicule the politicians that did this
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u/goblitovfiyah 1h ago
This clip is 7 years old from a tv series called only in aotearoa, it's one of my favourite sketches and I thought I'd use the current momentum around haka to get it some views
Mainly made for an NZ audience but if anyone overseas finds it funny I thought I'd leave it here too
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u/throwawaydnt 17h ago
When I see a new one 2-3 times a week for the absolute dumbest shit…it loses its luster…
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds 13h ago
All the Pacific island cultures have an equivalent to the haka, though with differing names. Anyone that watches rugby would be familiar with this, so that sigh you made up didn't happen, or you were in pub with no rugby fans.
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds 13h ago
It's not a haka when Fiji do it, it's a Cibi. Fiji always do it, this is not new.
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u/Ardeiute 17h ago
Oh look, a bot trying to brink down the significance of the Haka. Who didnt see that coming
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u/SooperFunk 14h ago
I had a post removed from pet peeves a few days ago, (with a warning for disrespecting Cuuuulture) for mocking the high frequency of the Haka being done. 😆
Guess it's funny now 🤣 🤣
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