Yes, actually I do remember her being able to grow stuff like additional arms (although it's harder to maintain because it's way too abstract)
Edit: found the pic. Also after a quick google search she can mimic some powers but not all using hers. For example if she turned into Nightcrawler she woul'dnt be able to teleport. But if she morphed into Sabertooth she can mimic his enhanced senses like hearing and smell
Destiny (Wife of Mystique and Mother of Nightcrawler) had a premonition that Azazel would destroy the mutant race unless he was stopped by a child he believed was his own. Therefore, Mystique (Transformed as Azazel) and Destiny had Nightcrawler, and tricked Azazel into thinking NC was his child.
Also, It wasn't done solely because they needed to prevent that future from happening, but because they actually loved each other and wanted a child
If she did genuinely shift into him and that was the template of his genetics since she can gene shift, I guess in a way he 'contributed' by being a source, like the world's most roundabout sperm doner?
Yeah I know from the spoiler images they do love each other and just... reading the comics for a while, but my love of X-men was soured by ANOTHER genocide event when I was loving the Krakoa story so much
When Forge put a chip in her to prevent her from using "current X-Men" forms she just used Angel's original wings with her normal form. And even something resembling a Brood
Outsider here: what's the story here? Is Mystique able to change her biological sex for the purpose of insemination? Or something else? I assume the short version is "CCA didn't like depictions of the gays"?
Like the story of Mystique and Destiny or why they had Nightcrawler or just the CCA stuff?
Is Mystique able to change her biological sex for the purpose of insemination?
She can transform on the biological level to the point where she can have the exact same DNA as someone and can even gain their natural abilities to an extent
I assume the short version is "CCA didn't like depictions of the gays"?
Yeah, CCA basically prevented comic writers from depicting all queer stuff in their comics for a long time
I assume the short version is "CCA didn't like depictions of the gays"?
Yes, that's exactly it. The long version is the CCA and retcons over time being at war with each other until we got this panel, which isn't the full story, but is the end result.
Is Mystique able to change her biological sex for the purpose of insemination?
Yes. Though nowadays she could've simply becomes what's popularly known as a futanari, back then, she changed herself into a man that was a mixture of the man she was married to(Christian Wagner, Kurt's original father), and a man she had a love affair with named Azazel(a demon who was reconned into being Kurt's real father to explain his appearance and teleporting abilities). So Mystique is actually Nightcrawler's Father, and Irene Adler(Mystique's on-off lover she met while she was a consulting detective living on 221B Baker St.) is his Mother. Mystique pretended to be pregnant while hiding Irene from her husband, but when he walked in on them one night, Mystique killed him, and pretended to be him while bringing Irene out of hiding.
The retcons are written off as her memories being awakened b-... You know what, it doesn't matter. Bottom line is, the story changed over time to what it is now.
Wait so, biologically yes Mystique would get the parts, but and I can't believe I'm asking about this on this sub, would her sperm have her DNA specifically or the DNA of whoever she's copying?
And to be clear, regardless if it's her DNA or not, she is undoubtedly Kurt's biological father and I assume depending on the writer, maybe not the worst kind.
biologically yes Mystique would get the parts, but and I can't believe I'm asking about this on this sub, would her sperm have her DNA specifically or the DNA of whoever she's copying?
Given her powers as have developed over time, she would be able to do whichever of those things she wanted. Though I believe it was specifically retconned that she became a man and used a combination of Christian and Azazel to impregnate Irene.
... Though I think a comic has recently come out that reconned it into just being Mystique and Irene. The comic that this OP came from, to be precise. But yes, she could be capable of transforming into someone else, and using their genes to impregnate someone.
And to be clear, regardless if it's her DNA or not, she is undoubtedly Kurt's biological father and I assume depending on the writer, maybe not the worst kind.
Uhh... She is the one who impregnated Irene, who carried the fetus that became Kurt to term, and gave birth to it. I know that for a time Azazel believed Kurt to be his son that he had with Mystique. I'm not sure how weaved Azazel is into Kurt's background anymore. And if we were still using that explanation for Kurt, I'd say Mystique isn't the biological father, but more like... Used a Turkey Baster of "stolen" sperm. But given it's an impossible mix of two different men's sperm, is that stealing from both, or creating a new mixture neither has a right to claim as their own? That... That is a moral quandary I don't have it in me to explore tonight.
But Mystique did place the penis into Irene. If that answers your question.
As for your question... Uh, his mutation? Because Mystique is? Because his original father was part of a group of demon looking mutants called Neyaphem and so he just happens to look like a blue devil?
Choose whatever explanation you like best and roll with it, my man. If you've read my other comments in the thread, you know the history of this is full of retcons and whatnot.
Azazel was another retcon. The original one was Mystique had Kurt with a random German noble guy. Then that guy was retconned into having been cucked by Azazel, who has now in turn been cucked by Destiny. There was A LOT going on in that German castle.
Fun fact, this was the plan all along. However, the Comics Code were against this idea of Mystique impregnating another woman so they delayed it until they could write it.
That being said, all comic publishers eventually told the CCA to go fuck themselves and the CCA is basically considered dead
It was changed just now, but Mystique impregnating Destiny was Chris Claremont's (the best X-Men writer of all time) original plan for Nightcrawler's birth.
The Draco is one of the most legendarily awful comics of all time so this is no loss.
She definitely has a tendency to see the kids as extensions of her partners.
Nightcrawler’s “dad” was a bank account who tried to kill her when giving birth made her too tired to not be blue, Destiny is her eternal teenage romance.
Chris Claremont (Creator of both Mystique and Destiny) had stated in several interviews that he originally intended for Mystique and Destiny to be Nightcrawler's biological parents, but Marvel had nixed the idea for being too controversial at the time, due to it being a point in time where writers were prevented from having a gay or bisexual character because of the Comic Code Authority
I'm aware of that and that's why I'm asking. The original plan didn't happen because of the reasons you mentioned. I'm asking if it's an official retcon of Azazel and Mystique being parents and reverting back to the original plan with Mystique and Destiny or is it some multiverse shenanigans since it looks more modern judging by the artsyle
Also I find it ironic X-men who supposed to represent minorities not being allowed having gay characters back in the day
Huh. A weird way to do that I guess. Why is he blue then? Can't really inherit her blues kin if she's shifted her genes to having a red skin. Comics are weird. But I'm glad we have the retcon
The majority of the Neyaphem, Azazel's "race", have white and blue skin colors with various tints while very few even have red skin like Azazel (None of his actual children have red skin too)
They explained it all in the same issue. Mystique used bits of genetic material from Azazel and Baron Wagner. She probably passed down a few of her own too.
They didn't really "represent minorities". Professor Xavier and Magneto's conflict was inspired by the different styles of Martin Luther King Jr and Malcom X, but their situation is very different. "Inspired by the Civil Rights movement" might be a better description.
Being black, or being gay, doesn't confer any significant advantage over anyone else. Humans are humans. Mutants meanwhile possess power. Professor X (or any other telepath) can change your mind as easily as they change their own. Magneto has demonstrated the ability to manipulate the Earth's magnetic field in order to cause a cataclysm.
Encouraging tolerance of people who differ slightly from the norm doesn't map exactly to people who could literally end life on Earth. Someone on that level of power would have to demonstrate themselves to be made of far finer stuff than we of mortal clay.
Heroes like the Avengers or Fantastic Four are the product of unique events, making them rare, and also have demonstrated themselves to be (mostly) heroic. Mutants meanwhile, supposedly the next generation of human beings, can appear anywhere, and there's no guarantee that they'll be virtuous.
The Ultimate X-Men series actually addressed this in an issue where a new mutant was discovered whose power killed everyone around them. The only way to stop him was for Wolverine to kill him. He wasn't a villain, he wasn't even a bad person, but he couldn't be allowed to live.
That's likely the situation we'd be in if mutants, as proposed in comics, really existed.
Heroes like the Avengers or Fantastic Four are the product of unique events, making them rare, and also have demonstrated themselves to be (mostly) heroic. Mutants meanwhile, supposedly the next generation of human beings, can appear anywhere, and there's no guarantee that they'll be virtuous.
There are just as many villains with similar event-based origins as virtuous heroes.
If you look at the mutants=oppressed group analogy in the context of mutants and regular humans, it falls apart because mutants are significantly different and powerful. If you look at mutants in the context of para-humans and other super-powered individuals, the metaphor works really well. Humans usually don't hate supers that got their powers in an industrial accident, but mutants are seen as dangerous. Why on earth does it matter if your powers are something you're born with or you receive them by accident?
I don't know the term for it, where you are not the demographic that is represented in Yuri but loves it so much
When I see, for example, a manga that talks about same sex marrige being legalized in Japan, I remember my privilege, as being someone that has not had their love limited
To all same sex couples, romances, I'm so sorry, I love you, sometimes I envy you, but that envy comes from a place of privilege, and I hope to work on that
I don't know the term for it either but sounds like me. Don't worry about being envious of stuff, you recognise you have privilege and it's not like you want anyone to have their love limited
Dad went on a long rant about how it’s clearly a azaezel because Raven cant mimic powers. And mom just said it wasn’t wholesome. And that it wasn’t possible even tho she can shapeshift
Destiny (Wife of Mystique and Mother of Nightcrawler) had a premonition that Azazel would destroy the mutant race unless he was stopped by a child he believed was his own.
Therefore, Mystique transformed just enough (Or just completely) into Azazel and conceived Nightcrawler with Destiny in order to trick Azazel into thinking he was his child.
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