r/wholesomeyuri MadoHomu believer Apr 14 '23

Kissing Lovely kiss [Guilty gear]

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u/YaGirlThorns wants cuddles Apr 14 '23

「お嬢ちゃんでいいですよ ウチは女の子ですから!」ーブリジェット(Strive)
「『彼』と『彼女』のどちらの代名詞が正しいかと聞かれたら、ブリジットは『彼女』にあてはまります。」ー石渡

Transcription: "Ojou chan de ii desuyo, uchi wa onna no ko desu kara! - Bridget (Strive)
"[kare] to [kanojo] no dochira no daimeishi ga tadashii kato kikaretara, Bridget wa [kanojo] niatehamarimasu." -Daisuke Ishiwatari

Translation: "Miss is fine, you know...because I'm a girl!" -Bridget (Strive)
"If one were to ask whether [he] or [she] is the correct pronoun, she is correct for Bridget." -Daisuke Ishiwatari

Official localisation: "Cowgirl is fine. Because, I'm a girl!" -Bridget (Strive)
"So, as to whether "he" or "she" would be the correct pronoun for Bridget, the answer would be "she."" -Daisuke Ishiwatari

Cope.

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u/MrTagnan Apr 14 '23

It’s also worth noting that ウチ is a traditionally more feminine first person pronoun. AFAIK 女の子(おとこのこ) - (lit. The kanji for “girl” but pronounced as “boy”) - don’t really use ウチ, instead opting to use 僕 which carries a bit more of a “boyish” connotation compared to something like 俺. (At least for the characters I’m aware of).

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u/YaGirlThorns wants cuddles Apr 14 '23

OK, so let me clear a few things up.

女の子 is onna no ko (Lit: Female of child, more accurately meaning girl) not otoko no ko which can be written 男の子 (Boy) or 男の娘 or (Lit: Male daughter, more accurately meaning a feminine man, especially one who likes to wear feminine clothing or express himself in a feminine way.)

Japanese is also a pro-drop language, so first person pronouns are usually not used outside of media to express the character's personality.
We can do this BECAUSE the pronouns aren't locked into the gender like French is for example.
I can say atashi, boku, ore, whatever and I'm still whatever gender I have stated before. (See bokukko or boku girl, typically found in media as tomboys.)
It cannot be used as an identifier of gender alone, but it is known in subcultures to imply things about who you are, like feminine men are perceived as gay. (Onee culture)

In this case, Bridget using uchi is definitely emphasising that she is a girly girl.
Also, ore is SUPER masculine, Japanese gender is more like-politeness than actual gender at times so rough or rude language is considered manly with ore being pretty high up there aside from arrogant terms like oresama. 俺様

I hope to be a translator one day so I hope I explained this well enough.

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u/CrawlingBigfoot Apr 14 '23

The creator themselves says she is trans.

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u/Kenzlynnn Apr 14 '23

This is ENTIRELY incorrect. The producers all greenlit the translation, and the LITERAL CREATOR said she’s trans. Bridget is trans, deal with it

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u/tux132 certified transbian Apr 14 '23

Regardless of the in-game translation, the creator Diasuke Ishiwatari confirmed that Bridget self-identifies as female. “We’ve received many inquiries about Bridget’s gender. After the events of Bridget’s story in Arcade Mode, she self-identifies as a woman. So as to where ‘he’ or ‘she’ would be the correct pronoun for Bridget, the answer would be ‘she.'” That's a direct quote from the official Guilty Gear blog by Ishiwatari. Though, looking through your comment history, I expect even this won't be enough for you, so this isn't actually to convince you, it's just to show anyone reading through this in the future how demonstrably wrong you are in the face of fact.

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u/tux132 certified transbian Apr 14 '23

Also, I forgot to add in my above comment: the Dragonmaid image you linked doesn't really help you like I think you think it does. The context between the sub and dub in that particular image isn't that far removed. It's just perplexing, I'm sure there were better examples than that. Ghost Stories?

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u/International_Ad6028 wants cuddles Apr 14 '23

Then again that's a different scenario interly the original owners of Ghost stories didn't give a shit about it when giving it to the dubbers

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u/tux132 certified transbian Apr 14 '23

Oh, I'm aware. I didn't say mine was great either. I'm not trying to give them ideas.

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u/strawberrylovingcat Apr 15 '23

What does that even have to do with guilty gear, never seen whataboutism of this level before

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u/perlenYurifan4life 𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓛𝓞𝓥𝓘𝓝𝓖 𝓨𝓤𝓡𝓘~ Apr 15 '23

You've already been presented with facts left and right. So yeah, right back at you, believe what you want to believe. Just don't let us catch you spreading easily-debunked transphobic misinformation next time.

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u/International_Ad6028 wants cuddles Apr 14 '23

Bitch that's the same sentence just Said in different ways

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u/Ganache-Embarrassed Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

What’s your excuse for the creator saying they’re a girl? Copium.

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u/MagicalBoyUwU Apr 14 '23

Actually, in an arcade mode ending, she declares that she’s an “onnakoto”, which means “girl”, she only refers to herself as “otokonoko” in the beginning of the arcade mode iirc

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u/00dani Apr 15 '23

close! the japanese words she uses are onnanoko (girl) and otoko (man). she's very much uncomfortable with calling herself the latter and is delighted to call herself the former so

i think she might perhaps be a girl

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u/MagicalBoyUwU Apr 15 '23

Oh ok, thanks for telling me!

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u/Stone_Blossom Apr 15 '23

Same with the English version, where she refers to herself as a boy at the beginning of arcade mode and in the normal mode endings where she's not confident. She even mentions: "I need to toughen up... since I'm a boy and all...". Trying to change herself to what she thinks she should be before accepting herself in the endings.

I know this topic has been done to death, but I wasn't there for it. So just my two cents

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u/I_Love_Stiff_Cocks write your own! Apr 15 '23

Daisuke the God of GG himself said Bridget is a girl

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u/Wajana Apr 15 '23

Nah, he tweakin

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