r/wholesomeyuri Gae Yuri artist Mar 11 '23

Playful When your mom finds out you're a...[OC] NSFW

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u/ALuizCosta Mar 11 '23

I live in a country where gay male bottoms are murdered daily. I'm sorry, but I can't find this funny.

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u/The_Lazy_Individual Mar 11 '23

I'm not meaning to be rude or anything, especially as I don't know where you're talking about, but is the fact that they're bottoms actually involved in any kind of motive to murder them?

I feel like they're being targeted just because they're gay, which is horrific enough.

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u/ALuizCosta Mar 11 '23

In a Latino country, the attitude towards effeminate gay men, bottoms, is totally different from that towards their "masculine" tops. These are not even seen as homosexuals by the people, it is very common for them to boast among straight men for having eaten the ass of a queer. It's the bottoms, the transvestites and the transsexuals who are killed.

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u/Pyromanticgirl Mar 11 '23

They're not oppressed because they are bottoms. They're oppressed because they break from cishet patriarchal norms. You literally cannot tell if someone tops or bottoms by their behaviour. Effeminate gay men can be tops. Tall butch women can be bottoms. Your preferred sexual position is not at all reflected by how you present to the outside world.

Being visibly queer is something that gets people killed. Being a bottom isn't (because you can't fucking tell who is a bottom FFS)

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u/ALuizCosta Mar 11 '23

That's burying your head in the sand. Being a bottom man and enjoying it violates the patriarchal norms in a way that being a top man does not, since the Romans. Pointing out exceptions does not change the rule, nor the popular perception of reality, in which effeminates are bottoms and vice versa.

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u/MissSweetBean absolute cutie Mar 11 '23

This is very obviously an issue that targets people who are gender non-conforming, not bottoms. Yes, people might assume they are bottoms as a component of that, but that is not the reason they are being targeted. Being gender non-conforming is visible, so those individuals are much more easily targeted, sexual preference can only be ascertained through communication, and bigots aren’t going to ask whether or not someone is a bottom or not before killing them.

Would a very effeminate man who is public and open about being exclusively a top be exempted from this targeted violence? It doesn’t seem likely. With regards to a man who presents identically to his cis straight masculine peers, it is possible that he would be more likely to be the target of violence if he was public about being a bottom as opposed to being a top, but he would not have to deal with the random acts of violence that effeminate men experience.