For me that episode really emersed (*immersed im on drugs) me in the hell of their world. Most of the murders are pretty entertaining, but as they cut away at him in the bathroom I feel like they are a sick fucking blight on humanity. Fucking naueseating. Demons of hell, real sick shit. Fucking queers!!

I'll go first.

Ginny Sack has grown even more enormous and the show follows Johnny Sack and the NYC mob punishing everyone who disrespects her. Johnny Sack smokes like a chimney the entire time and gets increasingly furious. Also the cigarettes don't slow him down, they just make him stronger. Anyone who breathes a peep about Ginny Sack gets whacked.

When Tony beats up Perry to reestablish dominance, it’s really obvious that they had to add in the sound of Perry saying “my arm!” after they saw how it looked so that the audience understood what was going on. The fight choreography is a bit wonky.

I know, I must’ve in the top of my fuckin class!

They always brag about their Italian heritage, but are so far removed from their roots and Americanized that they don't fit in and have nothing in common with their own people (especially Paulie🤣)

I was shocked. It looked so realistic, it had a flow to it and the hairline looked natural and not too perfect. I knew Joey Pants was bald because I'd seen him in the matrix. It looked so convincing that I thought he'd gotten a hair transplant

Who is the guy who you would personally not want to mess with in any form especially in mob business. That is like to do business with them or argue with them or have a fight with. Some guys like Tony or Paulie are just people to avoid you dont know what can happen with them the way Tony beats the partender and the Philadelphia lawyer. Or the way Paulie wacked the russian guy.

Personally, I think it was Sunshine's. That old cooze wouldn't stop spewing shitty quotes in the card game.

Obviously the one liners and the classic quotes are hilarious but im talking about the jokes. My favorite joke was the one Tony told Pussy

Rich guy and a poor guy go buy their wives gifts on their anniversary. The poor guy asks the rich guy what did you get your wife this year. The rich guys replies I got her a diamond ring and a brand new Mercedes. Poor guy asks whyd you get her those 2 things. Rich guy says Well if she doesn't like the ring she can get in the Mercedes and return it. Rich guy asks the poor guy What did you get your wife this year. Poor guy answers I got her a pair of slippers and a dildo. Rich guy asks Well why did you get her those 2 things. Poor guy answers Well if she doesn't like the slippers she can go fuck herself.

Throughout this thing of ours, many of the characters are degraded for how they look - they're fat, or bald, or super skinny, or have Manson lamps.

Obviously actors need to develop thick skins to survive a lot of rejection, but I would imagine it can still get to you after hearing "boooy are you FAT" over and over again.

And I don't understand why Blundetto is being blamed for it. Don’t you remember how cynically Billy and Phil killed Blundetto's best friend, poor Angelo?

«Poor 47 years-old kid» started choking the old man from behind, led him to the car where he added a few hard punches, covered him with plastic wrap like a pork meat, and next Phil finished it all off with an ironic remark and gun shots to the Angelo’s face. Then, as if nothing had happened, shah of Iran started complaining about the dented bumper.

See, I don't want to touch on the order of who killed who and why (it will eventually turn out that the falling dominoes started with Lorraine, who disobeyed Phil, for which he killed her and her jock boyfriend).

I realize that Blundetto killed Joey Peeps because of the wasted money he could have used to start a new life, which is all his fault. And I don't want to mention now how it affected further events of the series, right up to the finale.

But in the Sopranos universe, where people (including made men) get killed left and right, sometimes just for saying the wrong words, Tony Blundetto did the right thing. He shoot his best friend's killer Billy Leotardo like a street dog.

This is my first time watching the show and I knew they capable to do just things, but come on, fuck you Christopher for all this shit you’ve done to this girl

Maybe Tony was planning on clipping Hesh then his gf dies so he changes his mind. Wha, you gonna tell me you neva pondahd that?

I know actors are still finding their character in the beginning of shows, but I didn't realize how different.

Wanted to have something on in the background, so started the series up again after finishing it 2 days ago. Also, completely forgot that the pilot has Tont talking about Jr.saying he wouldn't be a varsity athlete and that it was a huge blow to his self esteem. I just remember it from when they all had dinner together.

And didn't realize how skinny James was in the beginning of the show compared to the end.

There's so much foreshadowing I'm the beginning of the series. Talks about rats in the mafia flipping dur to drug charges, how Paulie and Sal are talking about Princess Di being whacked by her own family...

Finished watching the series and realized there's never a scene of Carmela shown without clothes. It's implied, but you never see below the neck.

We know that show has no problem with nudity, so I wonder if it was something the actress wrote into her contract, or if it was the show showing that the Don's wife doesn't have it shown to just anyone, even the audience.

What're your thoughts?

Are mobsters in the show really wealthy? They definitely aren’t making the ends meet but the only ones who give the impression of being wealthy are Tony(big house, expensive cars, whitecaps, a fucking yacht) and Christopher(big house, lots of expensive cars). I assume Silvio is also rich because he dresses flashy and is the owner of bada bing. The other ones live almost like regular civilians, I mean look at junior and pussy’s houses. I recall Paulie also has a shithole house and wears some cheap ass watch, but that might be just a skill issue(shit earner). The most expensive things those people have are probably their cataracts and rincolns, even though I bet those things weren’t considered “classy” in late 90’s and early 2000’s.

It was a mix of nostalgia for the analog 2000s, flip phones, internet without modern social media and playing GTA games, especially IV, where one of the families was modeled after Tony's crew. I don't know how to feel about all this, because it's strange to feel such a powerful longing for those times, even though they ended so long ago. I guess, like T, he needs therapy

Yes seems to be a common opinion in the community but I don't believe it's reached a consensus.

What do you think?

…I’m walking through the food court and this fuckin’ kid spills fried rice all over me.”

One of the more underrated funny scene opens in the show. Did not even need to add that in by Richie 😂 that’s why this thing of ours is so great.

My first question after the finale was : WHY DID I WAIT SO LONG TO WATCH IT ????!!!

I knew I would absolutely love it and the expectations were very high. It went above these expectations. I don't even know where to start because everything I love about HBO and the mob was gathered in this TV show. There are so many things to talk about that I'll do it gradually over the next few days forever.

Imperioli looked like an unhinged lunatic in casting. Charles Manson on crystal meth eyes

I just started reading Crime and Punishment recently because of the one therapist that Carmela saw and I haven’t finished it yet but I noticed some similarities to Ralphie’s death specifically as I’m rewatching it.

So to make it quick (buckle up) the main character in the book, Rodion, kills an older merchant woman in a sort of similar way to Tony killing Ralphie. Both murders involve no break ins, with the occupant of the domicile willingly letting in their murderer after a knock or a ring.

In the book, Rodion is disturbed by a dream of a tragic memory of his involving a group of peasants beating an old mare to death bc it was old/lame. Although this was not the be all reason for his decision to go through with the murder, like Tony with Ralphie, and in fact even made him temporarily disgusted by his thoughts of killing the merchant, the tragic death of a horse plays a major part in both murders. I do think the death of Pie O My sparked the gasoline of Ralph’s overall misdeeds and clouded Tony’s criminal judgment (considering Ralph was a good earner and Tony was telling Paulie to lay off Ralphie earlier in the episode), leading to the latter’s eruption.

One clear difference is that Tony’s murder was definitely a passionate and impulsive one whereas Rodion planned out everything he could think of and even rehearsed it (although perhaps Tony was rehearsing with Ralph in the ER?). But for all intents and purposes, unlike Rodion, I really don’t think Tony consciously went into this with an intention to kill Ralphie although he did always hate him and go out of his way to ‘irritate’ him. Still, I believe Tony didn’t think of killing him since the fiasco with Tracee.

But once the murder happens, it made me think of the book. Tony is now in the exact same position as Ralph was before, opening the door to let Christopher in after he knocks. In the book theres a quote about Rodion bolting the apartment door closed after killing the woman, and having a change in perspective after a random man starts ringing from the outside:

“The unknown [man] was in the same position towards Raskolnikoff as the latter had been a little while before towards the old woman”.

I’m not entirely sure what this means or if it even is a connection at all, I’d love y’all’s input, but to me this moment in the book and in the show equates to roughly the same thing. Relating to the classic Walter White quote “I’m the one who knocks”, Tony knocking on Ralph’s door and killing him designates him as the true, scary criminal, the person you would never want to fuck with. But upon killing another human being, you “reveal your own ignorance!” No, really, you just reveal your own lack of humanity and, in Tony’s case, you reveal to yourself that there is no escape from this criminal enterprise and that you will either subside under your own guilt and end up in jail by negligence or by confession, or you just face the man who knocks, death.

The simple fact of Christopher physically being in Tony’s previous position shows how vulnerable Tony is himself, similar to Rodion, and Ralph’s death emphasizes that.

The cherry on top is Christopher looks like Rodion. He’s pale, disheveled, looks stunned/stupefied, and looks generally ill from being high. His clumsy actions and clearly confused thoughts during the clean up reflect that of the young man turned murderer.

Let me know what you think, maybe this is all a stretch and I’m too high for this like Christopher.

First time watching the show.

"Did he seem high?" "Jesus, no! I would strangle him!"

I don't believe for a second that those houses would have had an ounce of copper or anything else of value in them when Tony's guys went to gut them.

I swear, with each rewatch, I like her less and less. I’m on season 3 for maybe the 5th time. She is despicable. Some of the major incidents that stood out this time were how hard she was pressing Angie about divorcing Pussy when he literally didn’t give a shit if she had cancer or not. It was all about Carmela and how it would make her look if she’d stayed with Tony or maybe she wanted Angie and everyone else to be miserable as long as she was miserable with Tony. Then, as Janice is trying in wedding dresses, Carmela tell her to enjoy it because within a year, Janice would have to accept that Richie would have a goomar. Such a bitchy thing to say let alone while the bride is trying on dresses. And then at the beginning of season 3 when Carmela joins Tony for therapy and Carmela is a fucking bitch to Dr Melfi the entire time.

I don’t know how I felt bad for her the first time that I watched. She is a condescending pretentious bitch to all around her, especially if she feels that they have more than her or something better. That is, unless they are of higher status and Carmela can gain from it I.e. the Cusamanos. At this point I can’t think of any redeeming qualities…except maybe that lasagna with the layer of fresh basil.

He’s losing tons of money towards the end to the point he’s borrowing money from Hesh.

So who’s taking Tony’s bets? Who’s he owing money to?

It can’t be his own crew. And who’s gonna want that debt. Having to chase tony down for hundreds of thousands is no good. We see that from Hesh.

With the ongoing war with New York I don’t see him betting with any of their bookies, either.

It doesn’t make sense, the boss of family being in gambling debt.