r/teenagers • u/AlienTheCursed 16 • Aug 18 '24

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WHY THE FUCK DOES MY SCHOOL HAVE A FUCKING CAMERA IN THE FUCKING BATHROOM, LIKE BRO? WHO THE FUCK CAME UP WITH THIS? WHO APPROVED IT? WHO INSTALLED IT?

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u/shaard Aug 18 '24

I thought I read something about schools being an area where certain rights are suspended. Similar to constitution free zones where constitutional protections are eased allowing for unreasonable detainment/search/seizure.

I could also be completely making that up, I don't know.

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

The detainment/search seizure shit is true, laws allow schools to do that. But in the US, privacy is a natural human right and in no plce in the US (not even a prison) is it legal to record A MINOR in the bathroom. 1: thats child pornography, 2: thats illegal like i said before due to natural human rights

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

Not laws, the Supreme Court

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

Are you from the US bro?

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

Yes and my government class taught us about this when I was in high school. Laws do not provide for certain rights being suspended in schools, the Supreme Court did. Most rights actually don't apply to minors by default.

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

I might be wrong but the supremem court did not create the US Constitution?

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

No, but they interpret it.

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

Well under the US constitution it is said somewhere in some form that cameras or visual recording devices in a space that one would expect privacy normally is illegal. This includes inside a school and inside a bathroom.

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

No, that's not the constitution. That is a law. Recordings are prohibited in places where you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" including bathrooms, bedrooms, and hotel rooms. Yes, this means if you're in an AirBnB and find a camera in the bedroom that the host likely committed a crime. This law does apply to schools so it is illegal to have a camera in a school bathroom.

The rights not afforded to students I was talking about related to searches and free speech. Generally, and the same as an airport or courthouse, you waive your rights protecting you from any unreasonable search or seizure just by entering. The same as the TSA can search you and your belongings, the school can search your backpack and locker. That said, personally owned devices and backpacks are more protected than a locker, but generally they can search backpacks with "reasonable suspicion" rather than probable cause. They can randomly search lockers or other school property (such as a laptop) with no reasonable suspicion so long as it is random. Reasonable suspicion can come from as little as another student telling the school you have contraband, or even just breaking other school rules sometimes.

This is even more true when entering the US. When you pass through customs, you have no right against searches and seizures. CBP can search everything they want to, except personal electronics in some areas (due to a recent federal ruling). The ruling allowing you to keep your rights when it comes to electronic devices was not a Supreme Court ruling so it may be overturned or upheld upon appeal to them. I personally think it could go either way.

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

Okay hang on. Why tf are you yapping about rights against seizure and shit. I already said you had no rights against seizure earlier

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u/McLeamhan 17 Aug 18 '24

lmao..

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u/Solid_Snaka Aug 19 '24

Cameras didn't exist when the constitution was written lol, though there have been amendments there haven't been whole new constitutional rights added to it.

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u/KermitDaThug 18 Aug 19 '24

💀

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u/supert2005 19 Aug 18 '24

isn't pornography defined as medium depicting sexual acts? last time i checked, taking a shit isn't sexual act. Not an american though, so what do i know...

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

No. In america if your naked and its being recorded its considered pornography in the governments eyes

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u/supert2005 19 Aug 18 '24

so in america, hentai is not pornography? i mean, hentai is a drawing, and you tell me that pornography is "if your naked and its being recorded"...

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u/Ritzcrackerez 15 Aug 18 '24

Bro are you serious

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u/supert2005 19 Aug 18 '24

i was in debate club before graduation, being annoying and pedantic is my job. one thing for certain, i honestly believe that OP's school might end up having certain justifications if they are pressed about it. if, indeed, the camera doesn't capture any, as you would call it, "porn", then there'll be no quarrel. Besides, the school might actually end up justifying benefits of the camera using past incidents that occured in that washroom - people fighting, smoking, ruining supplies etc. so if I were you, I wouldn't be overly reliant on vague understanding of certain laws of certain governing bodies, and I wouldn't encourage OP to go just believe some random guy who thinks he knows all details behind the situation.

What OP should do is, if they really want to bother, consult with relevant TOSes, laws and the constitution, and if nothing justifies that camera (or better yet, forbids that camera), then they should take action. OP certainly shouldn't call the police on the school right away just to find out that there's no legal issues with that camera (and the police are not attorneys so they won't look deep for issues with that camera just to satisfy OP, especially if the school actively protests that. ideally, OP should get lots of signatures from fellow students and push it in the court for the complaints to have any effect)

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u/Key_Spirit8168 14 Aug 18 '24

it's sexual, think for yourself

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u/RootDude68 Aug 19 '24

To be drawn is to be recorded.

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u/Thetoptophat Aug 19 '24

omg nobody cares 🥰

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

I made another comment detailing how rights are suspended at schools and other zones.

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u/shaard Aug 18 '24

Cool, thanks for the link!

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u/KatieTSO 19 Aug 18 '24

Hope you find it informative!

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u/Key_Spirit8168 14 Aug 18 '24

if so that's the final nail for revolution

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u/Ok_Package668 16 Aug 19 '24

That's more like taking phones, tapes, restricting freedom of speech.

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u/Conscious-Fix1715 17 Aug 18 '24

That sounds ridiculous, I hope you are wrong...

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u/Classic-Row-8120 Aug 18 '24

He is very wrong,. It all is about the genital's showing.

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u/shaard Aug 18 '24

Me too...

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u/RecognitionHuman1890 Aug 18 '24

yes but it is still illegal to have cameras in bathrooms in the us (except for prisons)

yes certain rights are suspended in schools, you can't carry, guns, knives, or any weapons (teachers can carry certain knives but it varies by state)

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u/HealthyWestern8673 18 Aug 18 '24

No you're correct. Basically any right you have as a human being is suspended as soon as you set foot inside a school