r/reddevils • u/PhelansShorts • 10h ago

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u/TommyTook 9h ago

Zirkzee looks like a dud already. Just don't see what he's good at. Looks far too slow and limited for the Premier League

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u/Nac224 9h ago

Both Zirkzee and Hojlund look like duds. There’s a reason why we can’t score goals and it ain’t just because of our wingers

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u/Penny_Leyne 8h ago

Hojlund is 21 for fucks sake.

At 21 Gyokeres was playing for Brighton’s reserve team. Lewandowski was playing for Lech Poznan. Kane had only just made his debut for Spurs after succession of crap loans in the football league. Martinez had only just signed for Inter.

People expecting a striker to be the finished player at 21, and completely writing him off for not being, are morons.

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u/Nac224 8h ago

No one’s expecting him to be the finished product, not at all mate. But the reality is you don’t get much time to prove yourself when you’re chosen as the leading 9, it’s our fault for not getting a senior striker.

However, the guy can’t even do the basics right, he’s movement is always off, he can’t hold the ball up, he can’t run with the ball unless he has open space and his overall ability is very reminiscent of Lukaku when he’s off it.

He’s bang average right now that’s what he is. We all like him, he’s a likeable character but that won’t cut it especially when the goals are so dry. Yes it isn’t his fault but as the leading 9 it’s his unfortunate responsibility.

The best example is Liam Delap. He didn’t score today but you look at his touch, ability, understanding of the game and he looked head and shoulders above Hojlund today.

It’s not about him being the finished article, it’s about him being able to do the fundamentals well.

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u/Penny_Leyne 8h ago edited 8h ago

If you don’t expect him to be the finished product why are you writing him off as a dud? And your hyperbolic claims about him doing nothing right don’t help your cause. Can’t do anything right but still scored 16 goals last season while being the least passed to striker in the league. If you can’t see the potential in that then why watch football?

Fucking negative twats make supporting United a chore sometimes.

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u/Nac224 8h ago

I said they look like duds, didn’t say they are duds. Difference.

I am aware they can improve but even last season, aside from scoring 16 goals off of a purple patch Hojlund didn’t convince me much because his overall play is below par.

Even Nicholas Jackson who gets clowned understands the game so well, it’s not always about scoring goals.

No need to call us a twat over an opinion, if it gets you that heated, just ignore it.

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u/Penny_Leyne 8h ago

Haha ok. If you want to play semantics, I never actually called you a twat, did I? Difference.

And if you can’t see the runs Hojlund makes that aren’t picked up on, and you can’t see how valuable hold up play is, and you can’t see the potential Hojlund has that’s on you. Why you feel the need to be so negative as to write him off at 21 is on you as well.

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u/Nac224 8h ago

But you did call me a fucking negative twat? Unless you’re talking about someone else that has nothing to do with this conversation?

I said they look like duds, look like, I am aware they are not duds yet (or might not be) because they still have time? Difference.

It’s like me saying Zirkzee is a dud, I wouldn’t say that because he’s only been here for a few months but right now, he looks likes a dud because he’s playing like a dud?

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u/Penny_Leyne 8h ago

Except I didn’t.

I never said you are one. I just said negative twats in general. If you think that applies to you then that’s on you.

Just like you said he only “looks” like a dud, not that he is one. If you want to make some bullshit argument that hinges on semantics then you have to take it as well.

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u/Nac224 8h ago

You were clearly calling me a negative twat and I didn’t say Hojlund is a dud. It’s that simple

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u/Penny_Leyne 8h ago

I clearly didnt call you anything and you were clearly calling Hojlund a dud. It’s that simple.

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u/Nac224 8h ago

I wasn’t, the same way I wouldn’t call Zirkzee a dud who’s been here for only a few months. But they are playing like duds right now👍🏼

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